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> Really reaching on this one, huh?
When someone that stubborn says something that foolish there isn't much alternative, is there?
Re:Death penalty must go + suicide is murder as we
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> When will the death penalty ever be abandoned in the few remaining countries that still have it?
When the people of those countries decide that it should not be allowed. Until then, it's not your problem. Despite your attitude, not everyone agrees with your beliefs. And just because you have them, it doesn't give you the right to tell us we must not do something. You DO have the right to suggest that it's barbaric and ridiculous, but we have the right to ignore you and call you a pie-in-the-sky loony.
> there's nothing honourable in throwing away something that you don't own;
Who the fuck are you to tell me that I don't own my life?!?! That's the most arrogant thing I have seen anyone say in months. Who DOES own my life? You?
> Most courts have court costs ($50 extra for that $17 alternate side parking ticket)
While they aren't included in most parking tickets, court costs are included in speeding tickets. In WV, I believe it was $75 in court costs & like $15 for ever MPH over the limit, even if you don't go to court. Which, to me, is bullshit. I haven't had a ticket recently, so I could be off some.
> Case law will rapidly establish the acceptable bounds on the use of such presentation tools.
I was a juror in a case where a young man (over 18 even) committed suicide while on medication for depression, OCD, and more. The parents attempted (very feebly) to sue the psychiatrist that prescribed the medicine. For the most part, the trial was totally fair and presented well (although I wonder what information the jury wasn't allowed to hear).
Here's my point: One thing that had the opposite effect as intended (probably why there was no objection) was a short video they showed us. It was basically a VHS slideshow of pictures of the guy as he was growing up, trying to get us to be sad that he killed himself and give the parents a few million dollars for nothing. I was so mad that these assholes would try to manipulate us with emotional garbage. I wanted to scream while it was showing. I think this sort of thing falls within the realm of dishonest tactics that should not be allowed, including the prementioned fabricated video of "what might have happened." There was no evidence in the tape. Presumably it was to show that he was "a happy boy" before this evil psychiatrist tried to treat their boy for his minor OCD (which was the worst case 3+ other unaffiliated experts had ever seen).
After the trial was over, the prosecutor saw me outside & asked if there was anything in particular that would have changed my mind. I basically told him, in a nice way, that if he wouldn't have been such a sleazebag, I would have taken him more seriously, but that given the evidence, there was nothing to change -- the psych was innocent.
Just as an aside, another poster pointed out that some places disallow note taking by the jury, which is absolute bullshit (I mean the policy is B.S., not the statement) -- as long as they are confiscated every time the jury isn't under the court's eye during the process. FYI, that's in WV.
> And without a lot of money you can't afford a good lawyer. So for many justice is blind.
I believe that "justice is blind" is meant to be read as "justice is blind of the status of the people involved," such as blind to race, blind to economic status...
The way I interpreted your usage, however, would mean "so for many, justice isn't blind to money spent."
Not that it matters, since it seems obvious (to me) what you meant, which is the important bit.
> Your personal opinion doesn't matter, simply because you don't know wtf you are speaking about.
Except when the argument revolves around the fact that the target audience doesn't know "wtf" you are talking about either. So, in this case, it matters completely. Unless you just want to be snobbishly "right," like you are doing.
> the clear consensus within the scientific community is that human activity is damaging the environment.
It is certainly NOT a consensus! You are just using propaganda yourself by claiming there is total agreement on that. If there WERE, there wouldn't be an "enivonmental movement," there would be "common sense." It isn't "common sense" because it is not known for a fact.
Plenty of scientists have stated that they don't believe human activity affects the planet in any major (ie, noticeable) way. Enviros yell on & on about how global cooling, greenhouse heating, and all sorts of other things are scientific fact, but the debate rages on in the scientific world. We simply do not know.
The next seemingly-"logical" statement is along the lines of "better safe than sorry" (the emotional appeal). If I ran my life like that, I would have to practice every religion that believes in some sort of hell or even has a sense of "Right or Wrong." Of course, I'm not dumping used motor oil in the river just because I don't want to believe it will adversely affect anything, but I also still wear clothing made of synthetic materials.
> I suggest you look at the Avaya ip products and the Telrad ip products. Both can do more(and have more features) than the Cisco for a lower price.
We currently use Avaya to support our Definity boxes that are getting pretty old. We were interested in moving to VoIP and spoke with Cisco reps so far, but I was only mildly impressed. Have you used the Avaya VoIP system? Did you see any major drawbacks to it?
On the page: > please do not run any other applications on your machine until the testing is complete.
So, if I use VoIP, I have to shut down everything on my PC before making a call (assuming the traffic comes through the PC, I know there are IP phones)?
> It'll be much harder for the idiots in Washington to sell a 'war' against a space elevator than a war against Islamic extremists. Most Americans won't even understand the elevator
Which is exactly why the government can convince them that it's a foreign military ploy against the sanctity and Godliness of the United States. Exploiting a natural fear of the unknown is still the primary way to "get things done" (although rarely will anything actually be done about the real problem). Many stupid Americans (and some residents of other countries, no doubt) believe that ALL Muslims are extremists and that Islam is all about slaying the unbelievers. That arises through ignorance and not understanding anything about the religion, but taking only the information bottle-fed to them through media & Washington's P.R. force.
(FYI, I am an American and do not believe that even close to the majority falls within the "Stupid Americans" label. Perhaps I'm too optimistic though.)
> I don't particularly fancy having thousands of kilometers of cable wrapping around the equator a couple of times at high speed.
Good thing that's not going to happen. Do you realize howlong the circumference of the Earth REALLY is? The space elevator's length, assuming that it was actually physically possible for it to come down in one full strand, would not go around even once. It would be darn close (on the planetary scale), but still a few thousand km short.
Dude, not everyone can afford to take a flying vacation every month... or even every year. There's more to life than expecting poor people to do everything you can afford to do (not saying that guy's poor) and calling them unedumacated when they can't.
> a lot of people couldn't change a tire if there life depended on it.
And many couldn't spell if their life depended on it. But that only reinforces my idea: you don't have to know how to do something exactly right to be able to use it at all. Everyone (I hope) understood your sentence, despite the word switch. And people can use a computer despite not knowing any basics.
Computers simply do not have the life-and-death situations that are present in a car. Many jerks bring up the "it could spread a a virus to a hospital PC and kill someone" theory, which is complete B.S. Almost any hospital equipment that could kill someone either does not run a MS OS, or (more likely) is not connected to a network. If it is, that is te fault of the idiot installing the equipment, not someone hundreds of miles away. This does not apply to PCs inside the hospital network -- those should be locked down tighter than Fort Knox.
Even if that weren't a spurious argument, there is inherent risk EVERY TIME you start a car. A PC that could even remotely hurt someone (barring electrocution, carpal tunnel, or eye problems) is, literally, one in hundreds of millions.
When I posted, I was thinking of that action, but couldn't come up with that exact phrase for some reason.:) I opted for a short statement over an explanation.
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> Really reaching on this one, huh?
When someone that stubborn says something that foolish there isn't much alternative, is there?
> When will the death penalty ever be abandoned in the few remaining countries that still have it?
When the people of those countries decide that it should not be allowed. Until then, it's not your problem. Despite your attitude, not everyone agrees with your beliefs. And just because you have them, it doesn't give you the right to tell us we must not do something. You DO have the right to suggest that it's barbaric and ridiculous, but we have the right to ignore you and call you a pie-in-the-sky loony.
> there's nothing honourable in throwing away something that you don't own;
Who the fuck are you to tell me that I don't own my life?!?! That's the most arrogant thing I have seen anyone say in months. Who DOES own my life? You?
> Most courts have court costs ($50 extra for that $17 alternate side parking ticket)
While they aren't included in most parking tickets, court costs are included in speeding tickets. In WV, I believe it was $75 in court costs & like $15 for ever MPH over the limit, even if you don't go to court. Which, to me, is bullshit. I haven't had a ticket recently, so I could be off some.
> Case law will rapidly establish the acceptable bounds on the use of such presentation tools.
I was a juror in a case where a young man (over 18 even) committed suicide while on medication for depression, OCD, and more. The parents attempted (very feebly) to sue the psychiatrist that prescribed the medicine. For the most part, the trial was totally fair and presented well (although I wonder what information the jury wasn't allowed to hear).
Here's my point: One thing that had the opposite effect as intended (probably why there was no objection) was a short video they showed us. It was basically a VHS slideshow of pictures of the guy as he was growing up, trying to get us to be sad that he killed himself and give the parents a few million dollars for nothing. I was so mad that these assholes would try to manipulate us with emotional garbage. I wanted to scream while it was showing. I think this sort of thing falls within the realm of dishonest tactics that should not be allowed, including the prementioned fabricated video of "what might have happened." There was no evidence in the tape. Presumably it was to show that he was "a happy boy" before this evil psychiatrist tried to treat their boy for his minor OCD (which was the worst case 3+ other unaffiliated experts had ever seen).
After the trial was over, the prosecutor saw me outside & asked if there was anything in particular that would have changed my mind. I basically told him, in a nice way, that if he wouldn't have been such a sleazebag, I would have taken him more seriously, but that given the evidence, there was nothing to change -- the psych was innocent.
Just as an aside, another poster pointed out that some places disallow note taking by the jury, which is absolute bullshit (I mean the policy is B.S., not the statement) -- as long as they are confiscated every time the jury isn't under the court's eye during the process. FYI, that's in WV.
> Opponents claim that the cost of appeals on the average death penalty case outweigh the cost of keeping someone locked up for life.
Who is to say they won't appeal the life sentence either?
> And without a lot of money you can't afford a good lawyer. So for many justice is blind.
I believe that "justice is blind" is meant to be read as "justice is blind of the status of the people involved," such as blind to race, blind to economic status...
The way I interpreted your usage, however, would mean "so for many, justice isn't blind to money spent."
Not that it matters, since it seems obvious (to me) what you meant, which is the important bit.
> Your personal opinion doesn't matter, simply because you don't know wtf you are speaking about.
Except when the argument revolves around the fact that the target audience doesn't know "wtf" you are talking about either. So, in this case, it matters completely. Unless you just want to be snobbishly "right," like you are doing.
> Maybe 'Clickit Ritecheer' would be more appropriate
Reminds me of the language selection in Redhat installs where you could select "Redneck."
> the clear consensus within the scientific community is that human activity is damaging the environment.
It is certainly NOT a consensus! You are just using propaganda yourself by claiming there is total agreement on that. If there WERE, there wouldn't be an "enivonmental movement," there would be "common sense." It isn't "common sense" because it is not known for a fact.
Plenty of scientists have stated that they don't believe human activity affects the planet in any major (ie, noticeable) way. Enviros yell on & on about how global cooling, greenhouse heating, and all sorts of other things are scientific fact, but the debate rages on in the scientific world. We simply do not know.
The next seemingly-"logical" statement is along the lines of "better safe than sorry" (the emotional appeal). If I ran my life like that, I would have to practice every religion that believes in some sort of hell or even has a sense of "Right or Wrong." Of course, I'm not dumping used motor oil in the river just because I don't want to believe it will adversely affect anything, but I also still wear clothing made of synthetic materials.
> i take it you don't have the pleasure of driving a bmw
No, not everyone has the ability to toss off thirty grand for a status symbol.
> If you can't f'en do that, you should be shot
Copy & Paste. If you can't do that, you should be sent to an asylum.
> soap, ballot and jury didn't work.
So you have already made a public outcry about it, voted on the issue, and taken them to court?
> I suggest you look at the Avaya ip products and the Telrad ip products. Both can do more(and have more features) than the Cisco for a lower price.
We currently use Avaya to support our Definity boxes that are getting pretty old. We were interested in moving to VoIP and spoke with Cisco reps so far, but I was only mildly impressed. Have you used the Avaya VoIP system? Did you see any major drawbacks to it?
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> please do not run any other applications on your machine until the testing is complete.
So, if I use VoIP, I have to shut down everything on my PC before making a call (assuming the traffic comes through the PC, I know there are IP phones)?
> used as a key into a reputation database
Controlled by?
> It'll be much harder for the idiots in Washington to sell a 'war' against a space elevator than a war against Islamic extremists. Most Americans won't even understand the elevator
Which is exactly why the government can convince them that it's a foreign military ploy against the sanctity and Godliness of the United States. Exploiting a natural fear of the unknown is still the primary way to "get things done" (although rarely will anything actually be done about the real problem). Many stupid Americans (and some residents of other countries, no doubt) believe that ALL Muslims are extremists and that Islam is all about slaying the unbelievers. That arises through ignorance and not understanding anything about the religion, but taking only the information bottle-fed to them through media & Washington's P.R. force.
(FYI, I am an American and do not believe that even close to the majority falls within the "Stupid Americans" label. Perhaps I'm too optimistic though.)
> I don't particularly fancy having thousands of kilometers of cable wrapping around the equator a couple of times at high speed.
Good thing that's not going to happen. Do you realize howlong the circumference of the Earth REALLY is? The space elevator's length, assuming that it was actually physically possible for it to come down in one full strand, would not go around even once. It would be darn close (on the planetary scale), but still a few thousand km short.
> Fosters == worst Australian beer thats why we export it.
Budweiser == worst American beer, but people still drink it here. I'm not sure what that says about whom...
Perfect response.
> Dude, get out and see the world
Dude, not everyone can afford to take a flying vacation every month... or even every year. There's more to life than expecting poor people to do everything you can afford to do (not saying that guy's poor) and calling them unedumacated when they can't.
> a lot of people couldn't change a tire if there life depended on it.
And many couldn't spell if their life depended on it. But that only reinforces my idea: you don't have to know how to do something exactly right to be able to use it at all. Everyone (I hope) understood your sentence, despite the word switch. And people can use a computer despite not knowing any basics.
Computers simply do not have the life-and-death situations that are present in a car. Many jerks bring up the "it could spread a a virus to a hospital PC and kill someone" theory, which is complete B.S. Almost any hospital equipment that could kill someone either does not run a MS OS, or (more likely) is not connected to a network. If it is, that is te fault of the idiot installing the equipment, not someone hundreds of miles away. This does not apply to PCs inside the hospital network -- those should be locked down tighter than Fort Knox.
Even if that weren't a spurious argument, there is inherent risk EVERY TIME you start a car. A PC that could even remotely hurt someone (barring electrocution, carpal tunnel, or eye problems) is, literally, one in hundreds of millions.
> It's not rocket surgery.
You don't perform surgery on rockets. Please drop off all of your PCs at the nearest Public Training Centre and slowly back away.
> There is one. It is called the spine.
:)
Duh, yeah, that would probably be it
Spinal Tunnel Syndrome.
> Cluck your tongue
:) I opted for a short statement over an explanation.
When I posted, I was thinking of that action, but couldn't come up with that exact phrase for some reason.
> a quarter of a million bytes
256K isn't that much... Well, for one webpage it would be.