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jnazario writes "As a computer security professional, one of the things I notice is that for our proposals to be effective, they often require the participation of the vast majority of computer users out there. Almost all of them are not computer security professionals, so it's imperative that our methods be usable by the non-professionals. What makes this even worse is that most computer users are not terribly savvy about what they're using. Terms like hard drives and memory don't mean anything to them, and a browser is just a window to the internet. A computer is a tool for information use, not an end in itself. So, a book like Security Alert: Stories of Real People Protecting Themselves from Identity Theft, Scams and Viruses sounded like it had real promise." Read on for Nazario's review of the book. Security Alert: Stories of Real People Protecting Themselves from Identity Theft, Scams and Viruses author Becky Worley pages 266 publisher Pearson Education rating 3/10 reviewer Jose Nazario ISBN 0735713529 summary Real world tips for regular people to protect themselvs online

If it can communicate threats and solutions effectively to the average computer user, then we're making real progress. After all, even computer security professionals often fail to employ basic measures to protect themselves from typical attacks, we'll have to make sure this stuff is understandable by the general population. Not that they're the "great unwashed" -- hardly. They're just not focusing on this stuff. Hence, we have a challenge: make this stuff understandable by your mom if you want everyone to just get it.

Becky Worley is (was? I haven't watched TechTV in a while) a TechTV on-air personality. She's reported news and events for TechTV for a number of years, and has often done so clearly and at a level you'd expect for a general TV station devoted to technology issues. So, you'd think she'd be a in a great position to collect information and know how to present it. Sadly, Worley's book doesn't fit that niche; it's not going to educate the large masses. In putting myself in the shoes of an average computer user, I found it fails in a number of ways.

The first and foremost failure of the book is right from the beginning. Worley opens up by saying that you're not a target of hackers, yet the rest of the book goes on to discuss how you are. While you're probably not going to be attacked by the same people who try and break in to Pentagon computer networks, virus writers and con artists fall into the same category for most purposes. All of these sorts of people, and what they can do, is described in chapter 1.

There's no discussion of phishing in the chapter on identity theft, which is chapter 2. Identity theft is a large, complicated subject, yet Worley only focuses on credit card number theft. While she talks about social security numbers, she doesn't demonstrate how they have been used to destroy victims' lives. Some advice is given as to how to react to credit card theft, but little information is given here about how to protect yourself to begin with, aside from being careful about whom you give your SSN to.

The book repeats itself often, covering similar material in several places. Chapter 3, which covers online purchasing, covers credit card info theft and email scams again. What it doesn't cover very well is how to spot a legitimate website, how to really use an escrow service, if and how you can get eBay or a shipper to help you out of a scam auction, and the like. Useful information about verifying who owns a certificate for an SSL server, or even making sure you're using an SSL server, is not given. Examples of false websites and auctions would have been useful. After all, after telling us how scammers operate and look so legitimate, illustrating the points about how to spot them would be valuable.

The book is full of anecdotes but few useful pieces of information are placed where they need to be. Chapter 4, which covers viruses, is one of these examples. It spends most of its time covering typical viruses and the usual, but doesn't get into anything beyond "use antivirus software." Never mind that the biggest threat in recent years has been from automated worms and that personal firewalls are useful; that's covered later. We hope you remember the quick tutorial on viruses from before.

The book's organization is poor, with material scattered throughout the book in a fashion that doesn't progress well or develop the information seamlessly. More virus and scam information is placd in Chapter 5, along with virus hoaxes. Several websites are refered to, but little in the way of really spotting a virus hoax or the common scam. Since they still abound, and people still fall prey to them, couldn't a better job have been done to describe what people are looking at have been offered?

In short, the book is a decent collection of links and material but is so poorly organized or so thinly presented it's hard to get what's going on. Take chapters 6 and 7, "Safe and Sane Online Interactions" and "Protecting the Family." Lots of information, somewhat poorly organized, and very skimpy on content. It seems to me that worrying about who is pestering my kids is more important than hearing about someone's EverQuest addiction, so that was a wasted page.

Finally, Chapters 8 and 9 should have been moved up front more. The topic of chapter 8, "Privacy," is perfect for the topics in chapter 2, where worley talks about identity theft. The topics covered here, including spyware and key loggers, are far more germane to the threat against your privacy and bank account information, and have been a growing trend for at least a couple of years. Chapter 9, differentiating being safe and being paranoid, should have been placed up front to help temper the arguments given in the rest of the book. It does a decent job of articulating the threats, what's to fear, and what's at stake.

The book is laden with plenty of anecdotes about online activitis gone awry. What's missing are solid examples of how to do it right, how to use your credit card on trusted sites safely and ensure that you're using services you know are worthwhile. While the book has some useful information in it, it's buried under poor organization, unclear language and presentation, and finally repetition in all the wrong places.

While the world needs a book or two to help every day people understand online security, this isn't the one. If you're looking for something for your kids, your spouse, or your parents, keep looking. This book wont help them make sense of what's going on. I don't think that's too much to ask for, especially from an organization like TechTV which has access to lots of material, people, and motive to produce a solid book.

You can purchase Security Alert: Stories of Real People Protecting Themselves from Identity Theft, Scams and Viruses from bn.com. Slashdot welcomes readers' book reviews -- to see your own review here, read the book review guidelines, then visit the submission page.

162 comments

  1. Shouldn't this be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    under Book Reviews?

    1. Re:Shouldn't this be... by MustEatYemen · · Score: 1

      Agreed, I read the title and assumed something important was happening, versus someone telling me the obvious.

    2. Re:Shouldn't this be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      word, I hear you. I ended up reading the whole thing only to realize I couldn't care in the least.. whereas originally I was like, damn this has gotta be big if there just gonna be that vague about it "Alert!".. good thing /. is my home page, otherwise I might be able to get away from coming here.

    3. Re:Shouldn't this be... by The+Salamander · · Score: 1

      And I have my preferences set to exclude Timothy. Why am i seeing this?

    4. Re:Shouldn't this be... by ricotest · · Score: 1

      I just set my prefs the same way (and threw in a few more to test)... nothing changed. Very odd.

    5. Re:Shouldn't this be... by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      I've seen articles that could be modded as trolls, but this is the first article I've seen that should be modded off topic.

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  2. What!?! by geomon · · Score: 4, Funny

    A computer is a tool for information use, not an end in itself.

    Blasphemy!

    Burn the heretic!

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  3. One thing.. by hookedup · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Getting people informed before their machine is infected with something is the hard part.

    I find they are a whole lot more interested in learning about security as soon as they start getting pornography popups.

    1. Re:One thing.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Thats about the same as people who don't think they need data backup until that laptop hdd that they have been storing 3 years of business data on dies.

    2. Re:One thing.. by tchuladdiass · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And then they think that they are safe if they don't accept any browser cookies.

    3. Re:One thing.. by Leareth · · Score: 1

      " Thats about the same as people who don't think they need data backup until that laptop hdd that they have been storing 3 years of business data on dies."

      Can I get an Amen, Brother!

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    4. Re:One thing.. by shokk · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I doubt anyone will pick this up until the Bad Thing has happened. Next.

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    5. Re:One thing.. by mweissen · · Score: 1

      i have a very simple recipe: i install vnc on their machines and then i connect to them remotely via my laptop. i tell them a hacker could do the same or even worse. when they see the mouse move magically they start to listen immediately...

  4. Own a computer, own a car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am a firm believer that if you own a car, you should be able to change a tire, and change the oil. Basic matinence.

    Same with a computer. If you own a computer, you should be able to upgrade its security, and install a virus protector (minimum!)

    I dont understand why people spend thousands of dollars on a new device, then simply dont bother to learn anything about it. A computer, like a car, is a serious investment. Learn how to use it properly.

    Of course, my theory goes to shit as many people dont know how to change a tire or oil. Oh well.

    1. Re:Own a computer, own a car by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 1
      If you own a computer, you should be able to upgrade its security, and install a virus protector

      I thought that I only had to turn it off and turn it back on again.

    2. Re:Own a computer, own a car by nlinecomputers · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I don't understand why people spend thousands of dollars on a new device, then simply don't bother to learn anything about it. A computer, like a car, is a serious investment. Learn how to use it properly.


      Perhaps because they don't spend THOUSANDS of dollars. They spend a few hundred maybe up to about ONE thousand dollars. Computers are cheap and thus people think they are or should be as complicated as similarly priced objects like dish washers or large screen TVs.

      It they had to pay $20,000 dollars for a computer they would learn to take better care of it. But then again I see plenty of people that abuse cars too.
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    3. Re:Own a computer, own a car by TykeClone · · Score: 1
      So sayeth TykeClone:

      Thou shalt reboot from time to time. For thou shalt knoweth that rebooting cureth many kinds of evil. Even unto those things that are not Windows computers, rebooting cures evils.

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    4. Re:Own a computer, own a car by plover · · Score: 3, Funny
      And people do, because they know if they don't they'll end up stranded in Bumbleshoot, Minnesota at 3 AM.

      But there are no consequences for owning a computer that's been hacked and is being used by someone else for their own nefarious purposes.

      Perhaps that's a good reason keyboards should come with built-in tazers.

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    5. Re:Own a computer, own a car by Eberlin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You'd get called an elitist (as I did) for suggesting the need for computer users to be competent.

      Basic computer skills are a difficult enough concept for some -- and anything past "two clicks on the blue letter E" goes over their heads. Anti-virus, firewalls, and windows update? Way too complicated. Downloading and installing another browser? That's a challenge! (I got a call once from someone who couldn't install something from CD-ROM because it wasn't set to auto-run!) Reformat a hard drive and install an alternative operating system? Definitely too much.

      There isn't any interest in knowing anything past 2 clicks on blue E. Solution? FUD 'em. (not essentially lies but fun half-truths) Tell them their machines are being constantly attacked over the net and they need to protect themselves. Teach them that their personal information can get stolen. Tell them that unless they learn the ropes, they'll have to deal with headaches and heartaches and big computer repair bills.

      Hell, tell them that without a good firewall, (Osama || Saddam || tooth fairy) will break into their computers and terrorists will win. (That method seemed to work well with the average Joe Sixpack for a different, more lethal cause).

      Either way, education is part of the solution...but you can only educate those that want to learn. The trick is to motivate people into learning and understanding computer security.

    6. Re:Own a computer, own a car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll disagree with your point about cars.

      You should know how to change a tire, because a flat is an unexpected event you can't control. It can be argued, however, that if you only drive in the suburbs/urban areas you can just call roadside assistance (if you have that and a cell phone). I don't have either, so I know how to change my tire.

      Regarding the oil change, why bother knowing how to do that? You know that your oil needs to be changed every 3k miles. You can go to your local Firestone/Jiffy Lube/Dealer/Mechanic, etc. after work, give them $20 and have your oil changed for you.

    7. Re:Own a computer, own a car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I am a firm believer that if you own a car, you should be able to change a tire, and change the oil. Basic matinence."

      I am a firm believer that if you have a discussion on computer security, you can do so without changing the subject to cars. What is it with analogies? They're always more obscure and convoluted than the original problem ever was.

    8. Re:Own a computer, own a car by dillon_rinker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And the battery. And the brakepads. And spark plugs. And spark plug wires. And the air filter. And the fuel filters. And check fluid levels. And refill with fluid when necessary.

      In short, people should know how to do all those things that the engineers can't do for them, since the engineers must design cars with parts that wear out.

      Another car analogy - if you put your CAR on the ROAD you must ensure that your CAR is not a danger to other CARs on the ROAD. Replace CAR with COMPUTER and ROAD with INTERNET. Granted, no one will die if you get infected with a zombie, but neither is your car capable of crashing every other car on every road in the world.

    9. Re:Own a computer, own a car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm from Bumbleshoot, Minnesota you insensitive clod!

    10. Re:Own a computer, own a car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "What is it with analogies? They're always more obscure and convoluted than the original problem ever was."

      It's like comparing apples to oranges. You have to compare apples to apples or oranges to oranges 'cause if you don't, there really isn't much comparison. I mean on texture alone, there's a vast difference. Same with flavor and smell. Also, oranges don't make for great pies.

      With the argument above, you will plainly see that arguments are convoluted...and that the moon is made of cheese. Which, really, is nothing like apples and oranges altogether...

    11. Re:Own a computer, own a car by ch-chuck · · Score: 3, Interesting

      many people dont know how to change a tire or oil.

      Clearly, what is needed is a network of retail shops, call them 'Jiffy Comp' or something, for people to pop in and have their computers scanned and upgraded while they wait in the lobby watching CNN. After 20 minutes or so a jumpsuited tech would come in and say, "Mrs Pauley? We found two worms, installed service pack II and updated the virus defs. Everything is ok now but be sure to bring it back every 30 Gigabytes or 3 months. That'll be $24.95 + tax"

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    12. Re:Own a computer, own a car by Superjhemp · · Score: 1
      And I am from Knapphouschent, Luxembourg...

      Oh, btw: I think the colorscheme shuxors.

    13. Re:Own a computer, own a car by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      "Granted, no one will die if you get infected with a zombie, but neither is your car capable of crashing every other car on every road in the world."

      Your computer cannot do the same, either. Were it so, we would have already had one computer crashing every other computer on every other net in the world. We have not, not can it happen. Your entire post is excess.

    14. Re:Own a computer, own a car by Zemplar · · Score: 0

      I disagree with one point. If you own a computer, and can't do the basic maintenance, you should at least be smart enough to use an OS that highly minimizes the required maintenance.

      Just like someone who isn't mechanically inclined shouldn't buy a "fixerupper", instead, they should realize they should buy the new, and warranted, Honda.

    15. Re:Own a computer, own a car by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Hell, tell them that without a good firewall, (Osama || Saddam || tooth fairy) will break into their computers and terrorists will win. (That method seemed to work well with the average Joe Sixpack for a different, more lethal cause).

      Funny, I've been trying to convince people we need to firewall the country due to the terrorist threat, and all I get is called racist.

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    16. Re:Own a computer, own a car by TheSpoom · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No.

      You don't need to lie to people to inform them about spyware and adware. Hackers AREN'T trying to take over their computer, worms and ads are. If you tell them that they're going to be hacked, they'll go out and buy random "anti-hacker" shit from the nearest "security" company. Tell them the truth. If they have spyware, tell them what it is, how it caused their problem, and direct them to a good anti-spyware utility (don't just tell them to search for one as they'll hit fake ones, show them the Ad-Aware website or the like).

      PEOPLE AREN'T STUPID. They just don't use computers as much as we do.

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    17. Re:Own a computer, own a car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You can go to your local Firestone/Jiffy Lube/Dealer/Mechanic, etc. after work, give them $20 and have your oil changed for you.

      Congradulations!!! You know how to properly change the oil on your car! Thanks for playing!

      (of course that's just IMHO...)

    18. Re:Own a computer, own a car by Quiberon · · Score: 1

      Computer is a consumer good, it should 'just work', if not you take it back and demand it be brought in line with its advertisement. Not the consumer's fault or liability if due to a defect in the product a loss or outage is caused. Lemon law does it for cars. Should be so for computers as far as consumers are concerned. Different for companies, they can take their own risks.

    19. Re:Own a computer, own a car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      omg, that's what i do...

      and i see the same people every three months. hell, i see the same guy every 45 days who comes in, pays 50 bucks and i change his password for him.

      on the whole, i'd rather be flipping burgers. i mean, at least people *understand* burgers.

      bah, grump, etc

    20. Re:Own a computer, own a car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      PEOPLE AREN'T STUPID.

      You obviously haven't been here very long.

    21. Re:Own a computer, own a car by Eberlin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A bit of hyperbole there, but anyhoo, the spirit of the post was to get people to CARE about learning. Spitting out "truth" and details on "the problems and the hows and whys" isn't interesting until you can get their attention.

      Even school has its barf-back education process. You get facts and dates and other mantras that they cram down your throat and learn to barf back during an exam. The real retained knowledge are the bits we found interesting, fun, or somehow important.

      So of course not, don't lie and scare novice computer users and then have them helplessly fend for themselves -- that's not much education. Teach...but first convince them of why the knowledge is something worth learning.

    22. Re:Own a computer, own a car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But even under your reduced requirements (knowing that the oil needs to be changed every 3k), you are in philosophical agreement with the grandparent. By analogy:

      Know that you need to update your virus protection every 7 days (change the oil). Know that you don't download ActiveX controls (pick up hitchhikers).

      (un)Fortunately, basic maintenance of a car has much more severe consequences than for a computer. Facing thousands of dollars of repairs is fairly high probability on a car. With the exception of identity theft, most viruses have been harmless (ooh, email traffic! spooky!). Unless a big virus circulates that really does have a decent payload, people won't learn. They don't have sufficient motivation to do so.

      As far as training the average user, I was able to train my mother to be paranoid about security. I just kept it simple. I didn't tell her "attachments are ok if they are images." She just knows that attachments are evil if they arrive unannounced, from any source. Actually, she is now largely self trained. She became motivated to learn on her own due to trading tech stocks online My mother only invests in things she can understand, but wanted to invest in tech stocks. The two convictions tore at her and forced her to read up on everything tech related. Now she knows more about hard drive technology and memory manufacturing processes than I will likely ever learn.

    23. Re:Own a computer, own a car by dillon_rinker · · Score: 1

      X has not happened, therefore X cannot happen. Heh. Let me know when you have a well-reasoned argument.

    24. Re:Own a computer, own a car by SillyNickName4me · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > PEOPLE AREN'T STUPID

      Not as individuals usually, as a group they are.

    25. Re:Own a computer, own a car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A virus scanner on a computer is like an ejection seat on a car.

      I don't need one.

    26. Re:Own a computer, own a car by Dorothy+86 · · Score: 1
      It they had to pay $20,000 dollars for a computer they would learn to take better care of it. But then again I see plenty of people that abuse cars too.

      Amen to that! I work in at a used car dealership, and to see some of the things that come back to us...

      Whether it's a Repo, of just seeing the condition when they come in to make a payment... I don't understand why they don't take care of their cars.

      same with comptuers though.. I've seen burns, cracks, holes and whatnot in cases quite a few times.. and they wonder why they don't work very well... whenever there are dust bunnies the size of Rhode Island...

      to each his own I guess.

    27. Re:Own a computer, own a car by techno-vampire · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I dont understand why people spend thousands of dollars on a new device, then simply dont bother to learn anything about it. A computer, like a car, is a serious investment. Learn how to use it properly.

      Back when I was doing tech support, I heard almost daily from people who'd say, "I'm completely computer illiterate." Most of them would say it not in shame but in pride. They seemed to think there was something good about being incompotent and that it made them better than people who knew how to use computers. There are more of them out there than you'd like to think, and none of them want to know what they're doing. Same thing as it is with cars; knowing how to change a tire makes you lower-class in their eyes, just as knowing how to install software.

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    28. Re:Own a computer, own a car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course computers are cheap ... i got mine for a buck a day....
      it's super and im still going to be paying for it when im 80

    29. Re:Own a computer, own a car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      do you have to change the locks on your car? maybe install your own sunroof? we have mechanics and panelbeaters for a reason.

      theres no operating system im aware of that really delivers to joe average user. if IT doesnt deliver to the user what they need, its OUR problem, not THEIRS.

    30. Re:Own a computer, own a car by danimrich · · Score: 1

      I think this is a nice analogy, but it does not really support your point. You're probably right that most people do not know how to change the oil in their car. But if they need to, they can drive to the next service station and have it done for them. You can't do this with computers. Also, look at the changes that have been made to computers in the last 20 years and compare them to changes in cars. If you went to driving school 20 years ago, you can still apply your knowledge to today's cars. On the other hand, most of the features you need to use to protect your computer from malware are quite new. It's like asking a car owner to repair the airbag or the ABS system.

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    31. Re:Own a computer, own a car by Fatchap · · Score: 1

      No consquences until they borrow your credit card for a brief spending spree!!

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    32. Re:Own a computer, own a car by bludstone · · Score: 1

      Wow.

      The best pizza Ive ever had was at a tiny little shop in your town, last time I visited Europe.

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    33. Re:Own a computer, own a car by ynohoo · · Score: 1

      people who'd say, "I'm completely computer illiterate." Most of them would say it not in shame but in pride.

      I believe it's code for "I have a social life".

    34. Re:Own a computer, own a car by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      Here's a clue: being computer literate and having a social life are not mutually exclusive.

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    35. Re:Own a computer, own a car by Superjhemp · · Score: 1

      Wow, that's the first time that I've actually heard somebody call "Knapphouschent" a city. I feel flattered. Usually terms such as "cow's village" come to mind ;-)

    36. Re:Own a computer, own a car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hey d00d, i checked out ur Slashbot rhyme - it was phat!!1 esp the stuff about hatin on mcbride... u r gonna be my eternal homie, brother...

    37. Re:Own a computer, own a car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and about his mum at the end!!! LOLOLOL Kudos - amongst us common nerdfolk you are indeed Tupac.

    38. Re:Own a computer, own a car by ynohoo · · Score: 1

      but apparently having a (self-depracating) sense of humour is...

    39. Re:Own a computer, own a car by techno-vampire · · Score: 1
      I didn't see it as a joke, although it might be. As far as self-depraction, I can only quote my good friend, the late Daniel J. Alderson: "I could always hold a self-depracation contest, but of course, I'd loose."

      There's a good reason for my slashdot name; check out my website and find out...

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    40. Re:Own a computer, own a car by Thomas+Shaddack · · Score: 1
      Were it so, we would have already had one computer crashing every other computer on every other net in the world. We have not, not can it happen.

      W32/LovSan, also known as Blaster.

      (To be accurate, it didn't crash "every other computer", but "only" a significant percentage of them. But it's nothing a zero-day remote exploit in the IP stack, once it appears, couldn't do.)

    41. Re:Own a computer, own a car by ynohoo · · Score: 1

      you might want to change your homepage link to: http://home.earthlink.net/~sidebrnz/ the one you gave disnae work...

  5. RTFM Issue by webword · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unfortunately the folks who need the help the most are the the least likely to read. It is like a law: Those who need to RTFM are least likely to RTFM.

    1. Re:RTFM Issue by justkarl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's just the thing, though. To people like "us", issues with identity, privacy, security and the like come as a sort of intuition. But when Joe User sees a popup on his monitor that says "Click me! You're a Winner!", they say "Sweet!" and they do click on it. You and I know better, because we know what happens. But I think people need to be a little paranoid, and a lot informed about their surroundings on the internet. Then it makes our jobs easier.

    2. Re:RTFM Issue by plover · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Even if the review had been glowing and great, you're right. Nobody I know who would need to read a book like this EVER would have bought it.

      That's why I think it's somewhat our responsibility to help our friends and families (to whatever extent possible) to keep them out of computer trouble. I carry a copy of Spybot S&D and AVG Antivirus with me when I visit family members, just because I know they don't have what it takes to keep themselves safe. Some can't even be bothered to run Spybot without prompting (however, whenever a house has nieces or nephews aged 10-12 I find they are the ones to catch on really quickly, and I also find their families' computers are much less likely to have spyware.)

      Yeah, I might spend half an hour away from people while I clean things up for them, but it's always, always appreciated. And I know there are at least a dozen computers out there that *aren't* acting as zombies.

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    3. Re:RTFM Issue by mreed911 · · Score: 1, Funny
    4. Re:RTFM Issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But there's no RTFM for Dummies book. I checked.

    5. Re:RTFM Issue by Hobadee · · Score: 1

      ...kinda a catch-22 though, cause the reason they need to RTFM is because they haven't RTFM, unlike us who have RTFM.

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  6. To help explain security... by kdougherty · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why don't you demonstrate security flaws instead of just explaining them? Show your board or whoever actuall real-time exploits and flaws so they understand what the consequences are. If not you could always use a crayon and paper... it's how I taught my mother to use email. :)

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    1. Re:To help explain security... by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 0

      Why don't you demonstrate security flaws instead of just explaining them?

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      k thx by3

    2. Re:To help explain security... by kdougherty · · Score: 0

      If I had mod points I'd for sure give you flamebait. Congrats, you've proven to me that you're obviously a homosexual with no friends. Promptly jump off a cliff because no one likes you. :) And... have a nice day. -1, Flamebait

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      The best way to predict the future is to invent it. -Alan Kay
    3. Re:To help explain security... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. Oftentimes, talking simply isn't enough. Hands-on experience. The example of teaching your mother the intricacies of a e-mailer is telling...while working with seniors, folks sixty to eighty years of age, occasionally I find it necessary to understand their thought processes. To many the computer is simply an amusement. The notion that " bad-people, " will render the amusement inoperable doesn't phase them the least little bit.

      E-mail hasn't the intrigue nor importance that an actual letter carries. Not to these folks. The computer is an object...as such, it is assigned value. Ever notice a person caught in a muse ? Eyes glazed over, smile upon their face...seemingly miles away. Perhaps a strong memory. A scented letter from a friend. The heart pounding. Love. Real experience. Congratulations for the perseverence.

      Lessons are valuable.

  7. What about Security for Dummies? by qualico · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm *not* being serious.

    Although, it sure would be nice on the one hand to have a well written security book for the masses, its equally important on the other to stress that using a professional is a great way to achieve the goals of protection and understanding.

    Maybe I'm just trying to create more job security for myself. :->

  8. Missing chapter on OS by eggoeater · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sounds like she's also missing a chapter on which OS to use if you don't want to worry about viruses and worms and security holes.

    1. Re:Missing chapter on OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DOS?

    2. Re:Missing chapter on OS by opticalfiber · · Score: 1
      Say, like OS X? Or how about
      where OS !="Windows"
    3. Re:Missing chapter on OS by Hobadee · · Score: 1

      Common myth: Linux is invulnerable from viruses, trojans, worms, etc.

      The truth: Linux is just as susuptable to all those nasty things as everything else, however, security holes get fixed quicker. However, if a user gets an email with the subject "Awesome Pic!" and the attachment "virus.jpeg.exe" and they open it, it isn't a headache for the sysads because the virus only wipes out their home directory, not the system. The problem comes when you get something like OSX where the user is the admin.

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      ...Had this been an actual emergency, we would have fled in terror, and you would not have been informed.
    4. Re:Missing chapter on OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OS X?

    5. Re:Missing chapter on OS by Superjhemp · · Score: 1
      Denial of Service?

    6. Re:Missing chapter on OS by sketerpot · · Score: 1

      Last time I checked, .exe files didn't run on Linux without Wine or something similar. Are you trolling or misinformed, or did you forget to mention that you're assuming a setup in which exe files are automatically opened in Wine or something similar?

    7. Re:Missing chapter on OS by Hobadee · · Score: 1

      I know EXE's dont run on Linux, however, I was simply demonstrating my point. Since EXE stands for Executable, I was trying to relay the idea that it wasnt really a picture, but really a virus masquerading as a picture.

      --
      ...Had this been an actual emergency, we would have fled in terror, and you would not have been informed.
    8. Re:Missing chapter on OS by menkhaura · · Score: 1

      Nah, DOS reminds me of a certain Chernobyl program...

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      Stupidity is an equal opportunity striker.
      Fellow slashdotter Bill Dog
    9. Re:Missing chapter on OS by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1

      Common myth:

      Common error: Assuming that there are only 2 sides to every issue, and that by disproving one side, you prove the other. cf "You're either with me, or with the terrorists"

      Linux is just as susuptable to all those nasty things as everything else

      False. Linux is not invulnerable, but it's not "just as susuptable" either. The overwhelming majority of attacks today target Microsoft(tm) Windows(r). Linux is immune to those, therefore it's not equally susceptible. Could it become more vulernable in the future if more hackers target it? Sure, but that's the FUTURE, and you used the PRESENT tense.

      However, if a user gets an email with the subject "Awesome Pic!" and the attachment "virus.jpeg.exe"

      I'm trying with several Linux mail readers right now, and I simply can't get it to run an executable attachment by clicking on it. Executable files on linux are indicated not by filename extension, but by executable bit- an attribute which is not preserved on a mail attachment.

      Can anyone name a Linux mailreader which will automate the process of running an executable attachment by clicking on it?

    10. Re:Missing chapter on OS by SillyNickName4me · · Score: 1

      > Can anyone name a Linux mailreader which will automate the process of running an executable attachment by clicking on it?

      Not as such.

      I do know of a popular Unix based mail client that also runs on Linux.
      This mail client has had so many security problems that would allow running arbitrary code (and that judging from its coding style is likely to contain quite a few undiscovered/unpublished ones still), that running attachments is not really needed.

      The program is called Pine.

    11. Re:Missing chapter on OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Computer security. What is expected of an individual ? Let's denigrate people. A friend. She's smart as a whip. Seventy-eight years old. Earned a Master of Science Degree. House is paid in full and neat as a pin. Well respected within the community. Yet, according to some self-professed " Computer Security Experts, " she harbors a disgraceful secret. Let's tiptoe into her study. " Do you see it ? "

      " Is that what I think it is...hmm? "

      A Compaq Presario. Windows. What a fool. I'll have to consult with the experts. " TCP/IP for Dummies. " " Firewalling Your Operating System for Idiots. " " MS/DOS v6.2 for Incompetents. " This is indeed valuable information. How dare our fathers or mothers or older folks in general have the temerity to ask us...to program their VCRs or digital watches. Such nerve. Don't you realize who we are ? We're the experts ! Oh. Sure. I'll divulge the secret security fix..." For money ! " Best get the purse out.

      Read the manual( RTM ).
      Not if it means alienating others. Stop talking. Stop the incessant mad scrambling after money. Truth be told. You're more important than a machine. Do yourselves a favor. Teach by example. Help others.

    12. Re:Missing chapter on OS by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1

      The program is called Pine.

      Pine... pine. Ah yes, I have that filed beside Elm and Mutt under "applications no newbie desktop Linux user will ever run, or even hear of".

    13. Re:Missing chapter on OS by SillyNickName4me · · Score: 1

      > Pine... pine. Ah yes, I have that filed beside Elm and Mutt under "applications no newbie desktop Linux user will ever run, or even hear of".

      I tend to agree with regards to Mutt and maybe elm..

      But most non technical people that I know that have somne experience with using Unix/Linux have seen Pine, if only coz usually the first Ubnix/Linux installation they happen to have used are university shell servers probably.

      Yeah, I also found they want it on their desktop machine because it is easy to use and fast.

      I think you are mistaken with regards to non technical users and using pine..

      But one would hope that most people end up using something else on their desktop Linux machine, and probably they do.

    14. Re:Missing chapter on OS by Fatchap · · Score: 1

      Linux is not invulnerable, but it's not "just as susuptable" either

      If you are using susceptable as an alternative word of vulnerable then they are probably right, it is as likely that these vulnerabilities exist, just they are not known / published / exploited in the same way as Windows vulnerabilies are.

      Linux is immune to those [windows attacks]
      There of course the case of Winux that also refutes this but that is just being churlish.

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      The only reason some people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
  9. The computer needs to solve the problem by Neil+Blender · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Most people, present and future, will probably remain ignorant forever. No book will solve the problem of internet/computer security for the masses. The computer needs to solve it. People just aren't interested.

    1. Re:The computer needs to solve the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, bullshit. Plenty of people are exploited every year through the use of a telephone, or even their frontdoor. I suppose the telephone, or the front door needs to solve the problem there?

    2. Re:The computer needs to solve the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most people shouldn't be asked to be system administrators. The solution is to take that responsibility away from them and put it one someone who knows what they are doing, and is getting paid to do it for them. Thanks to decades of Microsoft lies, this is going to be hard to explain to the users.

      Any solution which works is going to involve takeing away control over software configuration from this category of user and giving to someone else. The ISPs are the logical candidate, basically the user would be hireing them for sysadmin as well as for connectivity.

      One technical solution is for ISPs to distribute live CDs, which their users boot off of when they want to get on the internet.

  10. Liver by mfh · · Score: 1

    Burn the heretic!

    Let's eat his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti. Computers are much more than tools for information, but I'm sure I don't have to tell any of you that... Sometimes I think my computer has a soul of its own -- until I realize that's my soul... (well at least the energy of infinite keypresses)

    --
    The dangers of knowledge trigger emotional distress in human beings.
    1. Re:Liver by geomon · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Let's eat his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti.

      Hannibal?

      Ummmm.... Look... You see, this whole eating thing....

      Well you can see that it can only be possible if we *first* gut him, and then burn him at the stake.

      That would take some of the fun out of the whole burning-the-heretic thingy.

      But I'm with you, you know.

      --
      "Rocky Rococo, at your cervix!"
    2. Re:Liver by operagost · · Score: 1

      Drawing and Quartering would achieve both purposes nicely.

      --

      Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
    3. Re:Liver by Kehvarl · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure that you can remove someone's liver, and still have time to burn them at the stake before they die. and you can roast marshmellows in the cheery blaze

  11. In real life by Otter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Every society develops certain universally-known rules of thumb about safety, from "Don't swim in the muddy water near that rivermouth!" to "Stay clear of the bar where all the tweaker bikers hang out!" Eventually, we'll have universal wisdom about being careful of email attachments and avoiding phishing schemes. But it'll have to happen through word of mouth and Oprah. No one is going to read a book like this.

    1. Re:In real life by bfields · · Score: 1
      Eventually, we'll have universal wisdom about being careful of email attachments and avoiding phishing schemes. But it'll have to happen through word of mouth and Oprah. No one is going to read a book like this.

      Nobody at all? What if, for example, someone who Oprah happens to know reads a book, learns something, passes it on to Oprah, and Oprah decides to do a show based on it?

      Just because few non-experts will read books about computer security, it does *not* follow that books about computer security written for non-security people may not play a part in educating a larger audience of non-experts.

      --Bruce Fields

    2. Re:In real life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Offtopic here but I have no idea why I shouldn't "swim in muddy waters near the river mouth" and I'm almost patheticly curious to know.

      Help me out... The life you save could be my own. :)

  12. Beyond Fear by savagedome · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you haven't read Beyond Fear by Bruce Schneier, I definitely recommend you should before buying any other security book!

    1. Re:Beyond Fear by mreed911 · · Score: 0

      And for the non-internet version, "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin DeBecker.

      Real-life security!

  13. How Things Work by nemski · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It always amazes me that geeks think that everyone should know how a computer works. Why? Does a automechanic or plumber or electrician expect the same? I hire a guy to fix my brakes, change the oil, install a new heater and air conditioner in my house, and, frankly, I don't want to know how they do what they do.

    Before you drop into identity theft and such, how many people don't even know what they're credit score is? And you don't even need a computer to find that out.

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    Some people have a way with words, others not have way.
    1. Re:How Things Work by Paulrothrock · · Score: 1
      You don't have to know how a computer works to be safe, just like you don't need to know about blinker fluid to drive a car, but you should still follow at a safe distance, not drive like a maniac, and use your turn signals.

      There's being an auto mechanic, and then there's being a safe driver. The same thing goes with computers.

      Of course, having just came in the door from a death-defying commute home, I can attest that if there were as many safe computer users as there were safe drivers the problem would be much worse than it is.

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      I'm in the hole of the broadband donut.
    2. Re:How Things Work by 3)+profit!!! · · Score: 1

      A computer is significantly different than a car, or an electrical system, or any of that. The possibilities for a computer's uses are only limited by system resources; a car can only turn wheels around, and an electrical system can only distribute energy. Computers are also connected to the internet, which introduces a whole new level of complexity. The fact is that for computers to behave like a car or an electrical system, modern operating systems must try to manage all this complexity by themselves. They aren't smart enough to do this in all cases, though, so the user has to have some knowledge about how the computer works to use it.

    3. Re:How Things Work by nz_mincemeat · · Score: 1

      I think that trying to educate the general public about computer security is as much of a lost cause as trying to promote defensive driving on the roads.

      As new technologies become commoditised into everyday use, one would expect society to adapt to cope. Taking the automotive example further:

      (1) We now have insurance companies that thrive with the consequences of misuse, and
      (2) As cars become more complicated and less user-serviceable, mechanics and electricians (with diagnostic equipment) appear in greater quantities.

      I, for one, welcome our new computer-equivalent-of-MIDAS computer servicing overlords.

    4. Re:How Things Work by ajayvb · · Score: 1

      Because they get paid for it?How many people hire someone and pay an arm and a leg to fix their computer? More often than not, no one does anything about it, until their geek cousin/friend/nephew comes around, ("It's running really slowly, could you take a look at it?"), who then has to go around fixing it. Done it for at least two people (one of whom is incidentally, an EE engineer who designed VLSI circuits in grad school).I don't mind doing it,but I'm sure there are people who do.

    5. Re:How Things Work by jonnystiph · · Score: 1

      Does a automechanic or plumber or electrician expect the same? I hire a guy to fix my brakes, change the oil, install a new heater and air conditioner in my house, and, frankly, I don't want to know how they do what they do.

      Ummm, if your mechanic does not excpect you to know or show you how to check your fluids and keep your car in the correct running order, time to get a new mechanic. YES! Mechanics should show you basic car mantianice. If not, time to find a new mechanic.

      The first time I went to my mechanic he showed me all the basics, I neglected to tell him that I was a veteran shade tree mechanic, because hell, I just may learn something.

      I always, always explain to people what I am doing on thier computer. Two reasons, one they just may be interested and start learning on thier own. Two that we they can never come back and say "You didn't tell me you were doing this". The same thing any good mechanic should do, explain what he is doing and why, and make best effort (in simpler cases, fluids and such) of showing you HOW!

      Money to pay for maintanice isn't something you can always count on. However the knowledge to fix it, is usually more reliable.

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      If we don't make light of everything, we are just stumbling in the dark - Blank

    6. Re:How Things Work by DarkMan · · Score: 2, Interesting
      It always amazes me that geeks think that everyone should know how a computer works. Why?


      Whilst I don't fall into that catagory, I can explain that attitude.

      I don't use anything that I don't understand how it works, and that I don't know how to construct at least a basic version of it. Thus, I can't design a state of the art VLSI chip, but I could make a transistor, and assemble discretes into logic blocks, and make a basic computer out of logic blocks.

      Same goes for a car, a CRT, plastic bottle, door (hinge, lock, woodworking), etc.

      In fact, I even know how to recognise basic mineral ores, and how to smelt them. I have cast and forged basic metal objects.

      From where I sit, the surprising thing is that people are happy to use things they don't understand why they work, rather than the reverse.

      No doubt a history geek would find it shocking that I don't have a clue about the causes, aims nor outcome of the Boer war. There are merits to both points of view, but I'm not surprised that one is expoused more than the other on here.
    7. Re:How Things Work by @madeus · · Score: 1

      It always amazes me that geeks think that everyone should know how a computer works. Why? Does a automechanic or plumber or electrician expect the same? I hire a guy to fix my brakes, change the oil, install a new heater and air conditioner in my house, and, frankly, I don't want to know how they do what they do.

      I should think they ought to expect you to know how to change a fuse, check your fuse-box and test a light-bulb and/or be able to debug causes of a leak in your plumbing (unconnected overflow pipe, blockage in the drain pipe from your utility room, etc).

      People who don't know how (and cant work out) how to change oil in their car, install an air conditioner or do rudimentary plumbing are inept and ought to be ashamed of their ignorance of such fundamental concepts of modern civilisation.

      Logic, Google and/or a visit to a library/bookstore are tools everyone should be able to use to find out more information about a subject and educate themselves. Somethings are worth the short time to learn a little bit about because your likely to need to know about them several times in your life.

      I am a prime advocate of making software as easy to use and conducive to increasing productivity as possible, but it's fair to have basic expectations too (like knowing how to install and remove programs, use files and folders/directories).

      I think that for any layman hiring someone to perform a task like upgrade your PC's hardware or fix the breaks in your car, or re-wire the electricity sockets in a room is sensible and justifiable, it's time consuming to find out how to do that, and it could be potentially dangerous and/or expensive to 'fix' if you make a mistake.

      However, if you too much of a fool to know how to change the oil on your car, to use your computer for basic tasks and solve simple problems, or know to turn off the stopcock if you have a gas or mains water leak then you should be highly embarrassed at how utterly inept you are.

      I'm 25 and don't even drive (I don't own a car, nor a driving license) - I live in London and figure there is no point, I don't want to pollute London's already toxic atmosphere because I'm too lazy and selfish to walk or use public transport - but I can and have changed a tire, changed the oil, 'debugged' faulty components (like bad connectors on an alternator). I've done some basic plumbing in the house, and some minor electrical work soldering components. I wasn't taught this stuff, I just 'RTFM'd' and look for more information on sites like howstuffworks.com or in a book. It's not rocket science.

      Before you drop into identity theft and such, how many people don't even know what they're credit score is? And you don't even need a computer to find that out.

      I asked someone at my bank the name of a the leading credit agency here in the UK, it was Experian, so I googled and got back www.experian.co.uk. I went to the site and requested a copy of my report and they mailed me mine right away (for a very reasonable P&P fee of about 2.50 UKP). You can also call them and do the same thing over the phone.

      I used it to clear up a number of problems due to incorrect information on my card - which had been sent to them by store retailers in error. I contacted them via email and they made the corrections right away, they were very polite and helpful and it was a pleasure dealing with them, I was very impressed with their professionalism).

      So yes, I expect people to be able to do that too.

      This is basic 'dealing with life' stuff that average human beings should be able to cope with, adults who can't do this stuff without being spoonfed the information like very young children are inadequate (and I'd rather they didn't breed).

      I suggest you spend a little less time contemplating your own navel (re: the content of 'nemski.com') and instead go to google.com and type "HOWTO change oil car" and hit "I feel lucky". The result returns no only gives a generic step by step guide of how to change the oil on a car (virtually any car) accompanied by photographs, but it has a free video of how to do it too.

    8. Re:How Things Work by korbin_dallas · · Score: 1

      Ok...such a specious argument you present.

      Would you pay me $300 every 3 months to come "fix" your computer??? Or are you the kind of person who always runs over to his neighbor ask him if he'll fix your computer for FREE???

      Hey scammers, no need to fleece, just find nuts like this guy, and charge him $$$ to 'fix' his computer.

      Mr. you really do need to know how computers work, how banks and the governement use those computers. How they use that data against you and your place of employment. Wake up! Jack your own brain and take it back.

      Now let me just fill out your work order, what was your SSN again?

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      They Live, We Sleep
    9. Re:How Things Work by winwar · · Score: 1

      "I hire a guy to fix my brakes, change the oil, install a new heater and air conditioner in my house, and, frankly, I don't want to know how they do what they do."

      Cool, an easy mark... :)

      I know how a computer works, I fix my brakes, change my oil (most of the time), and could install a new heater or AC in a house. Hell, I could do plumbing or electric work. It is not difficult-time consuming if you are not experienced and a waste of money in many cases but I know how these things work or could do them if needed.

      So why shouldn't someone know how to USE a computer? You know, basic logic/reasoning skills. Skills that would serve people well in ANY capacity. I frankly have no respect for people who revel in their ignorance and that seems to be common with people and computers (knowing you are ignorant and wanting to learn IS respected).

    10. Re:How Things Work by mykdavies · · Score: 1

      I don't use anything that I don't understand how it works, and that I don't know how to construct at least a basic version of it.

      So, how's the girlfriend coming along?

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      The world has changed and we all have become metal men.
  14. Did my paradigm shift? by mreed911 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    So let me get this straight:

    I'm supposed to buy a book that I've never seen nor heard of before, judge it by it's cover and it's self-aggrandizing description, then open it and proceed to upload it into my brain without any virus scan for all the tinfoil-hat type text.

    Then, this book will tell me that I shouldn't do on the internet, in email, etc. what they're absolutely counting on me doing in real life? I can't trust those emails and open those attachments and download the contents because it's unsafe?

    I think I'm going to go write an antivirus book that everyone must buy before they read any more books, and sell a service where people can't read books unless I've read them first and deemed them safe. And oh, yeah, you'll have to buy the update to my book every few days as I read new books.

  15. Think: children's books by bennomatic · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Messages that are intended to change the way people think about things need to be delivered fast and hard. Think commercials. Or kids book. Or comic books. Grab them, get an emotional response, associate an old behavior with bad feelings, associate a new behavior with good feelings.

    I have not read the book, but based on the description, it sounds like it will be seen as most effective by people who already know what they are doing. With large numbers of anecdotes and not enough focus, it falls firmly under the heading of preaching to the choir; the only people who will probably slog through this book will be people who understand its importance before even opening it up. I've got friends who not only use easy-to-guess PIN numbers and passwords, but when participating in a conversation about the importance of security, they'll even announce their information proudly, as if it's some sort of joke. You don't change those sorts of attitudes with a textbook.

    Maybe security philosophy would be better spread through viral means such as a really funny movie (think the original South Park Xmas Jesus vs. Santa video), or a bunch of jokes that people tell. Here's one that would work on an old friend of mine: Q- What do you get when you take the area code away from your phone number? A- Your ETrade password!

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  16. It's worse. by teamhasnoi · · Score: 4, Interesting
    A browser is not a 'window to the internet' but IS the Internet to most clueless users. Even though these same people would be able to tell you that, 'No, there aren't little people putting on a play for me inside my TV.', they still don't know the most basic things about using the computer.

    The tower case is the 'hard drive', the monitor is the 'computer', and even after being repeatedly told and shown what the correct terms are, it's gone in an hour.

    My dad is a perfect example. One of the first things he would do on my infrequent visits home, is take off his digital watch and have me adjust it for daylight savings time.

    "Hey, Pops - let me show you how to do this. It's easy."
    "Don't bother, I will never remember. Just set it."

    Ahhhrg. People don't remember, because they don't *want* to. I am constantly amazed at the lengths people will go to in order *not* to learn something.

    1. Re:It's worse. by The+Angry+Mick · · Score: 1
      My dad is a perfect example. One of the first things he would do on my infrequent visits home, is take off his digital watch and have me adjust it for daylight savings time.

      Sounds like your dad needs a little "tough love". Next time he asks, just tell him you've already shown him how to do it many times before and that you can't be bothered anymore. Sure, he'll be upset (initially) but he'll either learn to do it himself, or he'll buy another watch with a winder.

      The same thing applies to most folks and their computers. Yes, most of them would prefer that someone else take the responsibility off their hands, but once they come to understand that not everyone has the time to hold their hands they will either adapt, or watch as things go up in a puff of smoke. The pain of having to sift through their own debris will go a long way to stifling their reluctance to accept personal responsibility.

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      I'm not tense. I'm just terribly, terribly, alert.

    2. Re:It's worse. by teamhasnoi · · Score: 1
      or he'll buy another watch with a winder.

      That is, indeed, what he did. :)

      Now I'm holding out for him to return to the hand-cranked phone.

    3. Re:It's worse. by Keybase · · Score: 1

      "Tough love" doesn't help for someone who doesn't remember. When simple day to day tasks need to be written down to be remembered how can one remember complicated steps that aren't obvious.

      Wait till you reach that stage of life. :o)

      After about 4 years of trial and error I can now remember how to set my watch. Forbid that I ever change brand or model of watch though. Lets see...

      Abreviated version:
      Press the "mode" button over and over until numbers start flashing, press the "light" button until you get to the number you want to change, press the "12/24 hr" button to change the number. Make sure the set time is just past the current time. Keep resetting the seconds time to 0 by pressing the "12/24 hr" button to get approximately close to the right time. When it is close enough press the "mode" button and it's all done. Yea!

      Compared to: Pull out the knob, turn it, push it in.

      I wouldn't wear a digital watch either except I can't remember what the date or day of the week is. Thank God for modern technology. Just note that I am a "technological whiz" where I work. :P

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      Do what is right. You will please some and astonish the rest. --Mark Twain
    4. Re:It's worse. by The+Angry+Mick · · Score: 1
      "Tough love" doesn't help for someone who doesn't remember. When simple day to day tasks need to be written down to be remembered how can one remember complicated steps that aren't obvious.

      You're absolutely right. While its not clear in my original post, exceptions have to be made for those suffering Alzheimer's.

      My comments wer more directed at those persistently stubborn types who are more than capable of understanding and learning new things (MBA's, Attorneys, etc.), but who steadfastly refuse to even bother.

      Wait till you reach that stage of life. :o)

      I'm already there . . . now where did I leave my sweater . . . ;-)

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      I'm not tense. I'm just terribly, terribly, alert.

  17. Ob Rev. Lovejoy by sharkey · · Score: 0

    I cast thee out!

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    "Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
  18. Not all problems are solvable by flinxmeister · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The systems of today are designed to be usable by the average Joe and Jane, but they aren't designed to be securable by that constituency.

    From a security perspective, "computers these days" are like a nuclear reactor, or a rocket, or the tax code. They're just not manageable by the average person, and the bolt on shells of security that are offered only work to a point. Without a consumer-securable security model integrated from the ground up, you're going to have melt downs, misfires, and botched returns.

    So, a book of anecdotes about "real people" and contemporary information security is almost going to be inherently uninformative. How could you possibly cover all the seams that todays severely limited security models leave open?

    1. Re:Not all problems are solvable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      "From a security perspective, "computers these days" are like a nuclear reactor, or a rocket, or the tax code. They're just not manageable by the average person"

      Well Windows' security might not be managable by a normal computer, but there seem to be a whole lot of people surviving just fine with an OS that was designed to be secure and easily usable...

    2. Re:Not all problems are solvable by GlassHeart · · Score: 1
      a book of anecdotes about "real people" and contemporary information security is almost going to be inherently uninformative. How could you possibly cover all the seams that todays severely limited security models leave open?

      You can't, but covering the ones you read about is better than not covering them. Having true stories to relate to your users can make a bigger impact on them than just hypothetical risks that you made up.

    3. Re:Not all problems are solvable by SillyNickName4me · · Score: 1

      > Well Windows' security might not be managable by a normal computer, but there seem to be a whole lot of people surviving just fine with an OS that was designed to be secure and easily usable...

      You mean Linux (or Unix in general) ?

      Easy to use for a realtively technical person? sure. When properly setup, it can even be easy to use for non tech users.

      Securable by someone who isn't technically inclined? come back when you have non technical users understand things like init, rc scripts and the like. Who is going to be able to judge if whatever process is actually supposed to be there? Joe Sixpack?

      Parent was refering to a security model that Joe Sixpack understands, not one that is understandable to soemoen who is actually seriously interested in the thing.

      Compare:
      You want to keep your house secure?
      You lock everything that might be used to enter it.
      Optionally, you install an alarm system.

      You want to keep your computer secure?
      (content of a book should follow, left out due to time and space considerations)

      Or do you mean OS X?

      Easy to use for the average person? no doubt about it. Easy to secure? see the part about Linux/Unix, for most parts OS X is not really different.

  19. General Security by starseeker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I suspect we will never have universal security in the computer world, as long as it takes any effort on the part of the end user. Which leads to several conclusions:

    a) Social Engineering will ALWAYS succeed. Whatever engineers do to protect a computer, they can only protect the user from themselves up to a point. There's no cure for giving someone you think you trust your username and password, for example, and then having them rip of your confidential data. Or for that matter, keeping people from answering emails using information they shouldn't. It's a grim conclusion, but short of warning people not to be trusting nothing can be done.

    b) The machine itself CAN be made much more secure by default. This usually comes at the cost of user-friendlyness, but the username/password/account idea seems to be virtually universal now. The key to making a user friendly secure machine for the average consumer is to set up rules that allow the machine to do everything the user is likely to want to do, and ONLY that. In other words, some form of Mandatory Access Control. This is a pain in the neck for those who want to do lots of complex things on their machine, but I suspect the average needs of the modern user are becoming well defined enough to achieve something. And if applications AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS create rules for what their program needs to be allowed to do (which can be externally audited to keep them honest) we might achieve a situation where it's difficult to impossible for a computer to be cracked from the outside through technological means.

    c) The bad news is, there's no market for b) and so it's unlikely it will ever happen. People have to be willing to pay the price for security, and I suspect up front cost of inconvenience (either to developers, end users, or both) will be seen as greater than the statistical potential of dangerous information theft. Whether that's true or not I don't know, certainly it varies on an individual level, but it takes herds of users to fund commercial software development and I suspect the average consumer response will be the immediate path of least inconvenience.

    d) Open Source, being outside normal economic constraints, might produce something like b) eventually. But while individual projects might code to such standards, they are probably too high a median to set for casual, unpaid development. Success would require most of the open source community to be willing to do extensive testing and planning for running their software in a MAC environment, and that's not much fun to most non-security oriented developers.

    e) So, in the end, matters will only improve when the costs of electronic theft and attack are so high they raise demand for secure systems to the economic minimum. Whether that will ever happen I don't know. My cynical guess is it won't - we'll just have to live with it. (Individual geeks of course can try to do better, but the internet has become a community. For better or worse.)

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    1. Re:General Security by mikefe · · Score: 1

      (D) is happening in the open source community. Just follow what is happening on the Fedora and Debian (and I'm sure others as well) development lists.

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    2. Re:General Security by HikeFanatic · · Score: 0

      My thoughts: A - This will always succeed, no matter how much money, resources, etc. are thrown at the problem. A couple of pints of beer at the local pub works very well for getting confidential information....er, so I hear.... B - Software should have security built into it from the beginning. Period. Then again, most companies don't even think about it until their systems are hacked. C and E - The only way demand for more secure software, etc. will ever increase is when we have an overwhelming amount of security issues, virus attacks, stolen IP, identify theft, DOS attacks and other problems that cripple infrastructure. Sad, but true. Only then will people act and takeit more seriously. D - I'm impartial on Open Source in general, but I think there's excellent potential, as the security would be subjected to more review and examination.

  20. *cough cough* by Diordna · · Score: 1, Interesting

    If you want someone to be free of security problems, have them get a Mac. It's the easiest solution. If anyone here can tell me of an instance of a Mac getting hacked in the last 2 years, tell me and I shall be humbled. On another note, someone has hacked into my XP box and is using it to watch hamsterdance.com 24/7. It's really eating into my connection...anyone know how to ward off an 8-year-old?

  21. too true, peole are the largest aspect of sucurity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    It does not matter how much $$$ and how much technology you put into your security. You can have well trained security response teams, company polices and remedies/punishements out the wazoo.

    If you don't help your employees gain an awareness of what it means to be secure, why it is important, and provide some education to them beyond here is your computer and your Word/Excel/Powerpoint, etc your security policy and situation is bound to fail.

    You need to get with your people, teach them, train them, and help them to understand the value. You also need to listen to them to understand what they need to get work done and look for ways to maintain your security stance while giving them what they need to perform their duties.

    I did try very hard with people in my company - maybe very easy when it's a small shop - but they did get a better understanding of what they were doing, what computers were, and actually took many of the attitudes and practices home with them. While freinds were continuously having problems with computers they noticed the difference and were quite pleased that they knew enough and were even able to share with freinds to help them.

    From such a position I think it was a definite win/win situation for everyone, for our company and for others.

  22. Skip the technical details by rufey · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I just spent the past few days with my spare time cleaning up a friend's computer. It was a mess with spyware/adware and possibly some maleware.

    The advice I gave them is to never download anything from the Internet that seems "cool" or promises "this or that". Sure if you are downloading an update to software you already use, its okay. But you don't need this new cool search bar for IE, a search tool that promises to be intelligent and show (a.k.a. pop-ups) only ads you'd be interested in, and you don't need to keep up with the Jones with every "cool" spyware software.

    Explaining how these things are dangerous has little affect on the "normal" computer user who doesn't know the difference between a DSL/cable router and a hub, who doesn't know how the Internet works (such as how TCP works, packets, routing).

    I've found that simply telling them to not do it is the most effecitve thing I can do. Most users won't understand the technical details. But they will understand if you simply say to not download it because if you do it enough, your computer will become unusable.

    1. Re:Skip the technical details by Limburgher · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      Explaining how these things are dangerous has little affect on the "normal" computer user who doesn't know the difference between a DSL/cable router and a hub, who doesn't know how the Internet works (such as how TCP works, packets, routing).

      Or like explaining the difference between effect and affect? :)

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    2. Re:Skip the technical details by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      It was a mess with spyware/adware and possibly some maleware.

      What is maleware? Is that like the Bro for computers or something? Oh, you mean malware.

  23. It could get better? by ChristTrekker · · Score: 1

    Give them a hint.

    "No, I will not set your watch."

  24. John "Eff-ing" Kerry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Q: Who was that lady I saw you with last night?

    A: That was no lady, that was my meal ticket.

  25. CAA by mfh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I am a firm believer that if you own a car, you should be able to change a tire, and change the oil. Basic matinence.

    That's what CAA is for. If you own a computer you should be able to turn it on and use the programs on it. If you need anything else, you should have the phone number to a really good/inexpensive techie. I never ever waste time with installs or anything like that. A guy I know does all that for $20-flat, so I can do other stuff (like play PS2) and I get a superb/secure setup for cheap.

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    1. Re:CAA by TykeClone · · Score: 1
      Can you get me his number - I'd like to tell him that you're taking advantage of him - doing crap work for $20 flat.

      He should be charging at least that much hourly + mileage + beer :)

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  26. Tech TV?!!? by jonnystiph · · Score: 2, Funny

    I used to watch the station when it first came out. Everytime I was left with the feeling of one of two things. Either these people have little to no clue what they are doing, or they are vastly dumbing it down for the average TV watcher.

    I can not imagine spending money on a book written by these "Computer as soo cool d00d" people. Perhaps I am transplacing thier "on TV" personality with thier real abilities. However, after reading the review, me thinks not so much.

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    If we don't make light of everything, we are just stumbling in the dark - Blank

    1. Re:Tech TV?!!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While putting the boot into people for being "st00p|d" try to get your own spelling closer to the mark.

      their, not thier...

  27. un-savvy people by qtothemax · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Kind of offtopic, but it really is true the the terms memory and hard drive don't mean anything to most people, and it took me quite a while to realize it. People are always asking me to fix thier computers when they have spyware problems, and are all worried because they have a couple games and mp3s on thier 80 gig hard drive, and think they have filled all the "memory." I have a hell of a time convincing everyone that having used 5 gigs of that 80 gig drive is no big deal and they don't have to delete everything to improve performance, though at the same time I have a hard time convincing them to turn off all the useless apps they have running in the system tray.

    1. Re:un-savvy people by ScytheBlade1 · · Score: 1

      The apps in their system tray? "Oh, they've always been there, leave them be."

      The MP3 collection? "Yeah, I did that myself, better undo what I did to make it run faster."

  28. R What? by DogDude · · Score: 1

    Read what? What are people supposed to read? What manual? What instructions? Welcome to 1990. There is no manual, any more.

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  29. I know nothing about computers. Take care of me. by OreoCookie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    IMHO; All operating systems should have an option that can be selected where ALL security options and ALL network configuration is set by the OS, basically saying to the OS "I know nothing about computers. Take care of me." Only if you actively choose to turn this off would you be asked to set anything yourself.

  30. sorry, not needed... by Chuck+Bucket · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Most Windows admins I know have the book "What you don't know can't hurt you", and they seem to follow that to the letter.

    CB!

  31. Following the Formula? by tsudonimh · · Score: 1

    Another book shallow on facts, because its real intent is to promote a centralised infrastructure? No thanks.

  32. Volume by mfh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    He does it on volume through his business. The rate is always less than $30-flat for whatever, be it installs of hardware, software, OS reinstall with ghost drives and full software installs. No matter how many you do at once it's always less than $30 CAD.

    What you might fail to realize is that this company took all the business away from the rest of the competitors by doing this, so whenever I use him I know my system is gone for about four days because of the long line of customers they have.

    They are really good too, because so far I haven't needed their services for about a year and a half.

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    1. Re:Volume by TykeClone · · Score: 1
      Hey - if he's happy with what he's getting and is getting by with it, more power to him.

      I charge $30/hour for that kind of work and have enough to stay very busy in the evenings and on the weekends. That kind of work, you can price yourself the amount of work that you want.

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      A fine is a tax you pay for doing wrong and a tax is a fine you pay for doing all right.
  33. If Only... by vettemph · · Score: 1

    >>Terms like hard drives and memory don't mean anything to them, and a browser is just a window to the internet.

    It's MUCH worse than that. They have an icon on the desktop which launches the internet.

    My mom is a linux user but she is still only as tech savvy as a windows user. I'm not sure she even knows that she's a linux user. :)



    (I believe you are looking for the "mod funny" button.)

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  34. Thinking of Dilbert here... by The+Master+Control+P · · Score: 1

    Catbert: "Your users are defective. I recommend cat scans."
    [later] [holding employee head] Catbert: "This one is defective too."

  35. Own a car, get owned by your computer by ladadadada · · Score: 1

    When cars were still a new thing, everybody that owned a car needed to know how they worked or they ran the risk of not getting where they were going.
    Cars are reliable enough now that you only need to take them in for a check up every 10,000Km or so now and when you do, the mechanic inevitably says "It's gonna take a week for parts and it could cost a bit."

    That's where computer security is heading. People will take their computers in (or just ask a technician to check it online) every month or two months and for a nominal fee the technician will update the virus definitions (coolant top up), check for ad/spy-ware and clean the gunk out (oil change) and update any programs that can be updated for free (general tune up).
    If someone wants extra software or hardware installed, they go to the same technicians and have it done there (having fancy extractors/blowers or whatever installed. Kinda funny that those items are installed in computers these days too, not just cars :-P)

    Some people will know how to fix their own computers, just as some people these days know how to fix their own cars. Some people will not have their computers serviced as often as they should, just as some people do with cars. Some people will know just the basics, like upgrading programs and virus definitions (hell, it's one button and it automatically reminds you when it's due. It's not that hard people !) just like they can top up oil and change their own tyres now.

    There's no doubt in my mind. That's where computer security is heading.

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  36. Simple solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft should secretly configure Windows to send pornography popups by default, prompting users to learn about security.

  37. TechTV, RIP by LostCluster · · Score: 1

    Just to clarify the status of author Becky Worley and the TechTV network... This book bears the TechTV logo as it was part of her work at TechTV to put out the book, in the same way Leo Laporte co-wrote his almanacs with the entire production staff of The Screen Savers and Call For Help. Becky was an on-air personality for TechLive who occasionally contributed segments to Fresh Gear as well. On May 28 of this year, Comcast after owning the network for about 3 weeks merged it with "G4: TV 4 Gamers" into "G4TechTV: Games, Gear, Gadgets and Gigabytes" and the San Fran TechTV studios began shutting down and preparing to move to Los Angeles to be with the rest of the G4 network. The Screen Savers returned to live episodes just last week, with lead hosts Kevin Rose (from the SF crew) and Alex Albrect (new to the team). Patrick Norton opted not to move to LA, and Leo Laporte had left the show to focus on Call For Help. CFH is now in an odd state of being in new first run episodes with Leo on G4TechTV Canada weeknights at 9pm ET, but that series is not being shown anywhere in the USA at the moment. As for Becky... she hasn't turned up in the public eye since the SF shutdown. It's unlikely she stayed with the network as TechLive was completely deleted as its subject areas were reassigned to the Pulse news format that expanded beyond its original video games-only focus. Fresh Gear is still on the network, but only in the form of reruns from the SF studio... no new production on that title that anybody knows of.

  38. Argument invalid. by cbreaker · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Computers haven't always been under a grand. It's a fairly recent trend, last few years. Before that, they were usually very expensive, and people STILL didn't learn how to use them.

    I believe in the parent's arguement. You should learn how to use a computer if you're going to own one. It's not rocket surgery. With modern point and click updates and easy to read instructions, there's no excuse.

    It doesn't end up working that way but I really don't feel too bad when someone can't figure out their computer. The information you need is right in front of you.

    And yes, I believe you should know how to change a tire on your car. Most people know how to do it.

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    1. Re:Argument invalid. by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > It's not rocket surgery.

      You don't perform surgery on rockets. Please drop off all of your PCs at the nearest Public Training Centre and slowly back away.

  39. Perhaps. by nlinecomputers · · Score: 2, Insightful

    However it seems like to me that the average computer user 10 years ago was more knowledgeable then one is today.

    I too believe in the grand parents argument. People should have a minimum knowledge of a computer just as they have a minimum knowledge on how to run a car.

    Actually a lot of people couldn't change a tire if there life depended on it. But they can look at a tire and note that it is low and they will have tires rotated and inspected on a regular basis. Something that computer users will not do.

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    1. Re:Perhaps. by hesiod · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > a lot of people couldn't change a tire if there life depended on it.

      And many couldn't spell if their life depended on it. But that only reinforces my idea: you don't have to know how to do something exactly right to be able to use it at all. Everyone (I hope) understood your sentence, despite the word switch. And people can use a computer despite not knowing any basics.

      Computers simply do not have the life-and-death situations that are present in a car. Many jerks bring up the "it could spread a a virus to a hospital PC and kill someone" theory, which is complete B.S. Almost any hospital equipment that could kill someone either does not run a MS OS, or (more likely) is not connected to a network. If it is, that is te fault of the idiot installing the equipment, not someone hundreds of miles away. This does not apply to PCs inside the hospital network -- those should be locked down tighter than Fort Knox.

      Even if that weren't a spurious argument, there is inherent risk EVERY TIME you start a car. A PC that could even remotely hurt someone (barring electrocution, carpal tunnel, or eye problems) is, literally, one in hundreds of millions.

  40. Lizard by zogger · · Score: 1

    Mine (open case hodge podge of parts now) has a baby lizard living in it! So far he's been too fast for me to catch him, he scoots away down behind the desk and the wall where all the wirez and dustbunnies and other sorts of stuff live. Almost had it this morning, it was lurking between the keyboard and monitor but booked under the monitor stand and got away.

  41. Windows will never be secure by bitswapper · · Score: 0, Troll

    No matter how many third party products you duct-tape onto it,
    no matter how many spin statements Microsoft releases,
    no matter how many kids you throw in jail,
    no matter how many patches you apply,
    no matter how hard you try,

    Windows will always be disasterously insecure.
    It was designed to be that way.

  42. Re:I know nothing about computers. Take care of me by random_static · · Score: 2, Insightful
    this will only work if the same user is willing to accept "i can't let you download that junk / play that game / view that malware-laden web page" when the machine tells them so.

    making a machine that won't get infected by all kinds of crap isn't all that hard; making a machine that won't get infected no matter what the user demands it do for them is impossible. and no user too stupid to take care of themselves is smart enough to accept being baby-sat by any mere machine.

  43. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually I am NOT sad to see the Barney Fife of technology, along with spastic Lockergnomie Chris "the buy this really cool stuff now" Pirillo go away. The show was at best Pablum for the masses, do you remember Pablum? Sumi Das was a fox, and the only reason to watch the show AT ALL. Everything else was a "waste of electrons".

  44. Social adaptation take generations by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 1

    Safety rules of thumb propagate from parent to child.

    The result is that social knowledge takes a long time to catch up with technology.

    For an example, compare the level of road safety in the USA to the level in countries that haven't had four generations of car experience.

    Internet-connected PCs are way too new for safe usage to be common knowledge.

  45. My mom is a linux user by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...that would make a good t-shirt/bumper sticker.

  46. Inherent Flaw by DaScribbler · · Score: 1

    The inherent flaw in any computer book, no matter how well written, is that it won't be read by the masses. The first sentence or word containing net, intra, inter, device, firewall, security, anti, virus etc... will cause them to instantly drop it and quit reading.

    The only way a book may somehow break that barrier, is if somebody manages to write a collection of bedtime stories incorporating computer security in a silly way, with an ending containing a moral or lesson well learned. At least then the children might have a chance.

  47. Re:Argument invalid. uh.. by cbreaker · · Score: 1

    > You don't perform surgery on rockets.

    Proceed to the nearest humor transplant facility immediately. You are in serious danger of becoming the dullest person on the face of this planet.

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  48. They got the Tooth Fairy too?? by the+JoshMeister · · Score: 1
    Hell, tell them that without a good firewall, (Osama || Saddam || tooth fairy) will break into their computers and terrorists will win.

    Geez, the Tooth Fairy has become one of them now?? Holy crap, I really do need a firewall!!