I agree with your post, but the site you link to annoyed me in that it implied that only men are abusive & women are always just the victims. My experiences may be far removed from everyday life, but I have met as many or more verbally abusive women than men. The men have more often been physically abusive, which just makes sense.
> News Flash: Some middle school kid gets made fun of and harassed by other middle school kids.
Future Flash: The same kid continues to be harassed relentlessly by others because their parents teach them that being better than everyone else is the most important thing. Then, when he guns down the assholes who were making his life hell, the school says they never saw it coming and magically, these total fucking assholes who continually pushed and pushed become heroes for getting shot at "for no reason."
> > > by narsiman (67024) on Thu August 26 > > > That makes all those who support anybody but Bush in league with the terrorists - Good fallacy [nizkor.org]. > by mattyrobinson69 (751521) on Thu August 26, > what are you on about? [I'll] answer anyway
> From your post:
Just wanted to point out that the person replying was not the person who made the comment to begin with.
> but they really are very much the same in CONCEPT and somewhat in design.
Can they run the same programs? Not necessarily the same exact compiled binary executable, but if the source for a Linux-designed program was compiled, as-is, on a SCO box, would it run? Doesn't really give any weight to the arguments either way, but I'm curious.
> That's like recording 500 channels, 24 hours a day for 10 years.
Reminds me of one of my favorite songs ever, by Choking Victim:
500 Channels 500 channels of a day-dream stimulation helps me to resent my life and raise my expectations. Locked into re-runs, your memories repeating, and all your ideals seem so self defeating. For you and yours, the pepsi generation, and when you're discontent, you change the T.V. station, And when you hate your life, no qualtities redeeming, a million brainwashed zombies will always be heard screaming...
CHORUS: And when there is no hope, "I'll smoke some crack, I'll shoot some dope!" When theres no enemies, "I sit and stare at my T.V. and in my ignorance, I'll be a slave and sycophant!"
And in a perfect world devoid of all temptations, the good leftover crizack could unite the nations. But now the war machines are mapping our destructions with poisons over flowing in the chemical seductions.
*CHORUS*
With my credit and my bank, my mind will draw a blank. I'll block out history, and stare at my T.V. For me there is no way. 500 channels waste my life away, away...
> 300GB or 3TB is irrelevant if can just download it when you please.
The problem with your argument, however, is this: the REASON you can download it when you please is because people like this are making it available. If no one had these huge archives of random crap, it would become much harder for me to find the obscure things not available for sale at stores.
Then again, I have a relatively large collection of Music & Cartoons - I don't watch them very often and nor do I usually share them on P2P, but I have them... just because.
> taking someone's work without paying for it is, absolutely and inarguably, immoral
Just to make you mad and tell you the same crap you already know and refuse to believe - just like I refuse to believe the same crap you are saying...
First, I am copying, not taking. Taking means I deprived them of something they previously had. You can keep using that stale argument, I'll keep using this stale retort.
Most importantly, however, is your terribly wrong use of the word "inarguably." If it were inarguable, we sure as hell wouldn't be arguing about it. You just put a finalizing word on it to say "I'm right: don't try arguing it, because I'm right." I do not believe copying music to be inherently immoral. See there? It is arguable.
Go ahead, call me a thief. It still doesn't make me one. BTW, I only complain about GPL infringments when the infringing party has a history of doing things like claiming the GPL is illegal or invalid. If a company does not have an agenda based on destroying free software, I don't care too much what they do with it (not that it's my decision whether or not to seek lawful recourse on any GPLed product).
> If they are the same, then why shouldn't the extra work of writing your own text be rewarded?
Because then the professor is using the university as a storefront for his own personal business. IMO, that is a terrible conflict of interests. If he wanted to use an online source, either do it for free or use someone else's service. What if the professor hand-wrote & photocopied 40 pages of notes and offered them to students for $20, would that be okay? I don't think it would be. It's the same thing, except that it's a website, so it's typed instead of written. And probably presented nicer.
This, of course, does not apply if the person writing the website is not the person teaching the class.
> If the FBI wants to search through all of this looking for steganographic data, they are welcome to -- but they need to supply their own media.
No, if the FBI REALLY wants your stuf, they'll just forcibly take it & if you're lucky, you might have it returned before it's obselete. If you're really, really lucky, your hard drives will not have been destroyed.
> someone with a sensor network could track your movements pretty easily.
Yeah, but to be successful, they'd have to track you constantly from about 2 metres away. Not much point in using RFID at that point, since you are already following them...
> I'm surprised they don't have John Madden [...] commentating on the Men's 3m Synchronized Springboard
"Ya see here, there's these two boards, here *circle* and here *circle* these guys will jump off, like this *curved lines*, and BAM!... into the water. But what they wanna do, ya see, is make sure they do this at the same time, together, at the same time as each other. *scribble, scribble* They have to look the same, they have to be synchronisized the same. *maniacal, undecipherable scrawl* What you don't wanna do is screw up like those krauts just now. You gotta wonder what they were thinking..."
Sure, I coulda' done better, but I never said I was a comedian.
> How about my moral belief against same-sex marriages, or against abortion? Do I get the same right to publically protest these as those who protest in favour of them do?
I agree with your other points (points 2-3 can be summarized as "affirmative action is a total crock of shit," and I agree), but this is misleading. You should have every right to protest something or to attempt to educate others why you believe what you do, BUT when you try to say that your opinions are the only way and try to have laws passed that tell others what they can or cannot do (when it affects no one but themselves), you are wrong.
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> Is it possible to commit a crime against oneself?
In the United States, suicide is illegal...
> too bad I'm too lazy to copy and paste....
You're too lazy to C&P one line of prewritten text, but not too lazy to bitch about it? (I know you weren't really "bitching")
> You've got some serious issues
No shit, that's the point. They were caused by the actions of others. They shouldn't need to consult a therapist.
He is how he because of someone else -- try saying the same thing to a rape victim. The only real difference is scale.
I agree with your post, but the site you link to annoyed me in that it implied that only men are abusive & women are always just the victims. My experiences may be far removed from everyday life, but I have met as many or more verbally abusive women than men. The men have more often been physically abusive, which just makes sense.
> News Flash: Some middle school kid gets made fun of and harassed by other middle school kids.
Future Flash: The same kid continues to be harassed relentlessly by others because their parents teach them that being better than everyone else is the most important thing. Then, when he guns down the assholes who were making his life hell, the school says they never saw it coming and magically, these total fucking assholes who continually pushed and pushed become heroes for getting shot at "for no reason."
Heh, especially facts that aren't relevant to the topic..
> > > by narsiman (67024) on Thu August 26
> > > That makes all those who support anybody but Bush in league with the terrorists - Good fallacy [nizkor.org].
> by mattyrobinson69 (751521) on Thu August 26,
> what are you on about? [I'll] answer anyway
> From your post:
Just wanted to point out that the person replying was not the person who made the comment to begin with.
> but they really are very much the same in CONCEPT and somewhat in design.
Can they run the same programs? Not necessarily the same exact compiled binary executable, but if the source for a Linux-designed program was compiled, as-is, on a SCO box, would it run? Doesn't really give any weight to the arguments either way, but I'm curious.
> We'll send Daryl a picture
FYI, it's Darl.
> That's like recording 500 channels, 24 hours a day for 10 years.
Reminds me of one of my favorite songs ever, by Choking Victim:
500 Channels
500 channels of a day-dream stimulation
helps me to resent my life and raise my expectations.
Locked into re-runs, your memories repeating,
and all your ideals seem so self defeating.
For you and yours, the pepsi generation,
and when you're discontent, you change the T.V. station,
And when you hate your life, no qualtities redeeming,
a million brainwashed zombies will always be heard screaming...
CHORUS:
And when there is no hope,
"I'll smoke some crack, I'll shoot some dope!"
When theres no enemies,
"I sit and stare at my T.V.
and in my ignorance,
I'll be a slave and sycophant!"
And in a perfect world devoid of all temptations,
the good leftover crizack could unite the nations.
But now the war machines are mapping our destructions
with poisons over flowing in the chemical seductions.
*CHORUS*
With my credit and my bank,
my mind will draw a blank.
I'll block out history,
and stare at my T.V.
For me there is no way.
500 channels waste my life away, away...
> 300GB or 3TB is irrelevant if can just download it when you please.
The problem with your argument, however, is this: the REASON you can download it when you please is because people like this are making it available. If no one had these huge archives of random crap, it would become much harder for me to find the obscure things not available for sale at stores.
Then again, I have a relatively large collection of Music & Cartoons - I don't watch them very often and nor do I usually share them on P2P, but I have them... just because.
> right or wrong that is how it works out here in the real world.
Right or wrong, music gets shared... That's how it works in the real world as well.
> taking someone's work without paying for it is, absolutely and inarguably, immoral
Just to make you mad and tell you the same crap you already know and refuse to believe - just like I refuse to believe the same crap you are saying...
First, I am copying, not taking. Taking means I deprived them of something they previously had. You can keep using that stale argument, I'll keep using this stale retort.
Most importantly, however, is your terribly wrong use of the word "inarguably." If it were inarguable, we sure as hell wouldn't be arguing about it. You just put a finalizing word on it to say "I'm right: don't try arguing it, because I'm right." I do not believe copying music to be inherently immoral. See there? It is arguable.
Go ahead, call me a thief. It still doesn't make me one. BTW, I only complain about GPL infringments when the infringing party has a history of doing things like claiming the GPL is illegal or invalid. If a company does not have an agenda based on destroying free software, I don't care too much what they do with it (not that it's my decision whether or not to seek lawful recourse on any GPLed product).
> Who gets overtime anymore?
Let's see... anyone not on salary that works for a company that appreciates their workers instead of herding them like data-entry cattle.
> whoever gets to metamoderate this person - i HOPE marks it as unfair.
I did.
> And how do you read that ?
Dunno about the poster or yourself, but I read it through a complex interaction between photons, parts of my eyes, nerves, and brain.
> If they are the same, then why shouldn't the extra work of writing your own text be rewarded?
Because then the professor is using the university as a storefront for his own personal business. IMO, that is a terrible conflict of interests. If he wanted to use an online source, either do it for free or use someone else's service. What if the professor hand-wrote & photocopied 40 pages of notes and offered them to students for $20, would that be okay? I don't think it would be. It's the same thing, except that it's a website, so it's typed instead of written. And probably presented nicer.
This, of course, does not apply if the person writing the website is not the person teaching the class.
> why do so many women screw dogs in mexico? can`t you guys keep`em happy or what?
No, it's because the dogs don't smell as bad.
(burn, karma, burn...)
> at least try to be classy, too.
Oh, and calling someone a criminal (or poor) is classy? Anonymously?
> If the FBI wants to search through all of this looking for steganographic data, they are welcome to -- but they need to supply their own media.
No, if the FBI REALLY wants your stuf, they'll just forcibly take it & if you're lucky, you might have it returned before it's obselete. If you're really, really lucky, your hard drives will not have been destroyed.
> That's the American way.
No. Close, but it's the capitalist way, not just American... Look at Italian "fashion." It's horribly overpriced as well.
> someone with a sensor network could track your movements pretty easily.
Yeah, but to be successful, they'd have to track you constantly from about 2 metres away. Not much point in using RFID at that point, since you are already following them...
> Maybe the two Great Parties could *both* be cured!
The only cure for politics is a weapons arsenal.
> I'm surprised they don't have John Madden [...] commentating on the Men's 3m Synchronized Springboard
... into the water. But what they wanna do, ya see, is make sure they do this at the same time, together, at the same time as each other. *scribble, scribble* They have to look the same, they have to be synchronisized the same. *maniacal, undecipherable scrawl* What you don't wanna do is screw up like those krauts just now. You gotta wonder what they were thinking..."
"Ya see here, there's these two boards, here *circle* and here *circle* these guys will jump off, like this *curved lines*, and BAM!
Sure, I coulda' done better, but I never said I was a comedian.
> How about my moral belief against same-sex marriages, or against abortion? Do I get the same right to publically protest these as those who protest in favour of them do?
I agree with your other points (points 2-3 can be summarized as "affirmative action is a total crock of shit," and I agree), but this is misleading. You should have every right to protest something or to attempt to educate others why you believe what you do, BUT when you try to say that your opinions are the only way and try to have laws passed that tell others what they can or cannot do (when it affects no one but themselves), you are wrong.