So the answer to grandparent's question, "can MS be bound by GPL3 if they avoided using GPL3ed code" is that yes, MS avoids being bound by it. Basically they would have to never update linux - or fork it - but what they have right now is GPL2 and GPL2 it shall stay So what is so wrong about MS's claim that groklaw needs to post a 'humorous rejoinder' and/.ers have to be bitterly sarcastic? Well, the average/.er is always bitterly sarcastic, but why is this a big deal *NOW*? Maybe later when they do update Linux (the kernel of which is still in GPLv2), they can avoid appendages of it that are GPL3ed?
Thinking about it, the Linux community might switch the kernel to v3 just to screw with MS and all it's Linux partners...
So basically, when you use GPLed code, you have to agree to anything that gets put in there or risk losing the right to use that code? What if the code is deeply integrated into your system and then a new version of GPL comes along with stipulations you do not agree to? Are you pretty much screwed? If so, given the sentiments of the OSS community, MS should never have agreed to being bound by future versions of GPL. I mean, what if GPLv4 says you ought to reveal the context in which the GPLed code is being used? Seems like a bad decision by MS and now they're complaining when caught with their hands stuck in the ooze in the OSS jar (I like that analogy, however inaccurate it may be)
...that tax laws don't apply to me. Oh, and those pesky laws about parking and speeding, too Well, you just described Libertarians...
libertarianv("An unregulated free market parking system will allow handicapped people to park near the entrance without letting fat f*cks abuse the system");
How can MS be bound by GPL3 if they avoided using GPL3ed code after June 29? Can you write code that is licensed by future versions of GPL? Wouldn't that make it dangerous for someone to use the code in case they do not like the future version?
Sorry for the ignorance
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Ok. Someone explain to me why this is going to COST MS goodwill. I purchased my Sony laptop explicitly because they were offering returns on their batteries based on a few isolated incidents (not sure if this was legally mandated). That shows that Sony wanted to pretend to do the right thing for the customer which benefits me in the long run. It makes perfect sense to buy an XBox360 if you thought that the price was right before the warranty announcement and fanbois are probably going to be happy about the warranty. Regardless of the high percentage of problems, most customers - >50% - still have a working system and if they do not, eventually will - for 3 years. If your PS3 dies after 15 months, you suck on it. Eventually, all that matters is the image and how much you think they will do in the future to keep that image up. And I think this is a + for MS in my book.
I have an education thank you and my salary is 3x the nation average Actually, 3x the nation average is about what MS pays these immigrants who are keeping your salaries artificially low. You do realize that MS is having trouble hiring sharp students from American universities if they are from a different country? I am not saying that they do not hire Ramu straight from India at lower wages, but they could outsource that job if it came down to an H1b restriction. These people do not affect your average salary, but actually help the economy. What they find harder to do is outsource jobs that they want to offer to a international student from a top American University (at 3x the nation average).
International students from Georgia Tech regularly get jobs with Microsoft after graduation and these are some of the most lucrative jobs available. Average salary for a Tech graduate (Engineering/CS) is about $55k after bonuses. Microsoft hires international students for close to $100k after bonuses. Of course, if it makes you feel better about working as a code monkey for a shitty firm, you can believe whatever you like.
not sure someone who cannot spell "grammar" correctly should be allowed such an opinion!? That is why I put 'grammer' in quotes:) Contrary to evidence otherwise, I speak and write perfectly good English... I think
if you don't mind, i know of a few schools in germany where you might learn some good english - but not sure we accept those international students? Wait... So you're from Germany? I apologize for being an insensitive clod, but the only thing I can think of right now is...
GRAMMAR NAZI!!!
why do equal opportunity recruitment policies do not extend to international students
why would citizens of any nation increase competition for him/herself Maybe they don't like international students because their 'grammer' is horrible
I just graduated with AE from Georgia Tech this past May. During the five years I was there, I saw a lot of people come into the AE program because "it sounded cool" or, no offense, it was the first one on the list. 90% of them changed majors, or dropped out of Tech entirely. Good stuff! Aerospace is nasty I've heard, but then, what program at Tech isn't? I've ended up specializing in CAD/CAE applications and even did a seminar in the ASDL for optimization software. I do see my fair share of AE freshmen who couldn't hack it as a TA for MATLAB, but then again, rocket science isn't for everybody eh?
I tell a lot of freshmen coming in that, unless they have been living and breathing airplanes or spacecraft for most of their lives, and know that they won't want to work in any other field besides AE, they should just go ahead and change majors. It was the reverse for me. I am not an aerospace geek (more of a CAE nerd), but I did end up getting involved a fair bit in the Aerospace field (apart from Automotive/control system/environmental stuff). From my perspective, I would have possessed much the same skills had been AE, ME or EE - pretty much any field where CAE plays a significant role. This is probably why I did not care that had to change majors. However, the damn major change process was a pain.
Many companies also do a lot of work for government/military projects, nearly all of which are restricted to US nationals due to security concerns. Hiring foreign nationals means they are less flexible and can't readjust their work force as easily. This is what I am worried about. Even if the security concern with international students is justified (I'm sure Americans can be bought, but maybe Indians charge less for classified information?), why do equal opportunity recruitment policies do not extend to international students? Companies should have a requirement for security clearance if they are dealing with sensitive information, but a blanket ban on work-eligible international students applying is a little unfair. But then again, it is not a right of ours and we are used to it. In fact, why would citizens of any nation increase competition for him/herself by allowing foreigners to apply on an equal footing?
People come to the US from all over the world for the best education available. Why would you think a foreigner who wants to be a mining engineer is not a valid candidate? I came to the US in 2003 to Georgia Tech as an Aerospace Engg major. Although I picked AE because it was first on the list (and I didn't find out about Undecided Engineering until later), I wanted to see if I could just do AE (too lazy to figure out what I want to do with my life). When I went and talked to my advisor, he told me that things were going to be extremely difficult for me to go anywhere with my Aerospace degree since I was an international student (scholarships, internships, co-op jobs, entry-level jobs, graduate fellowships would all be restricted more than in other fields).
Although most people WANT things to be better for international students (especially if they personally know some), at the end of the day, the fear of terrorism and us 'stealing' your jobs trumps giving foreigners equal opportunity. We're used to it.
P.S. I ended up switching to Mechanical Engg. and was hired as a co-op by a software company(that did not hire AEs) where I worked on Aerospace related projects for firms that would not accept my resume. Poetic justice I say!
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This is a prank comment intended to provoke indignant (or just confused) responses M1er: Look at all the replies to the post... They are confusing... -1, Troll
I COMMe from a country that is built on seized and redistributed property, corrupted with nepotism and deep-seated bigotry, the product of centuries of genocide and imperialism, with a militarized political police force which has been documented to kill, frame and otherwise neutralize political opponents secretly, illegally and with impunity. Capitalism and soviet socialism (there's a reason a lot of folks call it state capitalism) really aren't all that different; the powerful use a strong arm when necessary, and graceful manipulation when possible
Dude, Alabama is not really a country...
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I guess the post was too serious in tone - Was actually trying to get people to look and see that Sergey Brin's home phone number was listed as 650-253-0000 and have a chuckle at that...
The sadist in me probably also wanted people to call Jeff Bezos and get a fax line;)
All in all, I think the moderator wanted to be metamoderated funny:))
1) Set up a Grand Central account and link to your phone
2) Set up call forwarding to the GC phone number from your phone
3) ???
4) Profit (If you have stocks in Google / your carrier)
Seriously, what would happen if you self referenced your phone?
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By killing off Captain America, aren't you letting the neocons win? I'd rather have seen an episode where Captain America punishes a perjuring White House aide...
Why does it seem that cell phone companies only offer incentives to new customers? There seem to be no retention incentives at all. Why not offer better plans when you've been with them for X years? I agree that this is the stupidest nonsense I have ever observed. Every time my contract with someone expires, I have to switch carriers just so that I can get a cool new phone through some online place. When you fulfill a contract, you can't cancel and sign up for a new contract (which has the best deals) without waiting 90 days. You are considered a retained user who gets shitty deals from the company website where the deals are already bad to begin with.
Also makes me wonder why the cell companies do not have the best deals. It is always cheaper to get your phone through wirefly or some other place. Looks like these phone companies are missing a trick.
I've held hopes of being a musician myself, but have thus far stayed away from serious commitment to it due to its non-lucrative nature. The way you've made it sound makes me want to be a musician. And I'm not being sarcastic at all... When you fire your singer, let me know...
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Thinking about it, the Linux community might switch the kernel to v3 just to screw with MS and all it's Linux partners...
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So basically, when you use GPLed code, you have to agree to anything that gets put in there or risk losing the right to use that code? What if the code is deeply integrated into your system and then a new version of GPL comes along with stipulations you do not agree to? Are you pretty much screwed? If so, given the sentiments of the OSS community, MS should never have agreed to being bound by future versions of GPL. I mean, what if GPLv4 says you ought to reveal the context in which the GPLed code is being used?
Seems like a bad decision by MS and now they're complaining when caught with their hands stuck in the ooze in the OSS jar (I like that analogy, however inaccurate it may be)
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...that tax laws don't apply to me. Oh, and those pesky laws about parking and speeding, too Well, you just described Libertarians...libertarianv("An unregulated free market parking system will allow handicapped people to park near the entrance without letting fat f*cks abuse the system");
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How can MS be bound by GPL3 if they avoided using GPL3ed code after June 29? Can you write code that is licensed by future versions of GPL? Wouldn't that make it dangerous for someone to use the code in case they do not like the future version? Sorry for the ignorance Cheers!
No No Dr. Evil! As No.4, I feel obliged to tell you that perhaps you should sell it here and invite Nintendo to bid.
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Ok. Someone explain to me why this is going to COST MS goodwill. I purchased my Sony laptop explicitly because they were offering returns on their batteries based on a few isolated incidents (not sure if this was legally mandated). That shows that Sony wanted to pretend to do the right thing for the customer which benefits me in the long run. It makes perfect sense to buy an XBox360 if you thought that the price was right before the warranty announcement and fanbois are probably going to be happy about the warranty. Regardless of the high percentage of problems, most customers - >50% - still have a working system and if they do not, eventually will - for 3 years. If your PS3 dies after 15 months, you suck on it. Eventually, all that matters is the image and how much you think they will do in the future to keep that image up. And I think this is a + for MS in my book.
Cheers!
Actually, I call BS on you...
International students from Georgia Tech regularly get jobs with Microsoft after graduation and these are some of the most lucrative jobs available. Average salary for a Tech graduate (Engineering/CS) is about $55k after bonuses. Microsoft hires international students for close to $100k after bonuses. Of course, if it makes you feel better about working as a code monkey for a shitty firm, you can believe whatever you like.
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Why don't they run the water through turbines on the way in?
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kilograms j = 40;
dollars k = 70;
print(i+j+k);
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Dude, Alabama is not really a country...
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I guess the post was too serious in tone - Was actually trying to get people to look and see that Sergey Brin's home phone number was listed as 650-253-0000 and have a chuckle at that...
;)
:))
The sadist in me probably also wanted people to call Jeff Bezos and get a fax line
All in all, I think the moderator wanted to be metamoderated funny
Cheers!
1) Set up a Grand Central account and link to your phone
2) Set up call forwarding to the GC phone number from your phone
3) ???
4) Profit (If you have stocks in Google / your carrier)
Seriously, what would happen if you self referenced your phone?
Cheers!
This page sorta gives out phonenumbers to some important people... Wonder if/when they'll take it down... Or have the numbers been faked?
http://www.grandcentral.com/home/one_addressbook
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'Respect my authoritah!!!'
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By killing off Captain America, aren't you letting the neocons win? I'd rather have seen an episode where Captain America punishes a perjuring White House aide...
Cheers!
Also makes me wonder why the cell companies do not have the best deals. It is always cheaper to get your phone through wirefly or some other place. Looks like these phone companies are missing a trick.
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That this was an article about
1) prisoners killing themselves?
2) PS3 owners killing themselves?
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I've held hopes of being a musician myself, but have thus far stayed away from serious commitment to it due to its non-lucrative nature. The way you've made it sound makes me want to be a musician. And I'm not being sarcastic at all... When you fire your singer, let me know...
Cheers!