You don't need to shower after all. The scroll wheel was invented by Mouse Systems in 1991 (patents received in 1995/96.) Microsoft pays royalties for every IntelliMouse...GOD, I wish I had retained the rights to it. Oh, well.
See this ref:
http://www.delphion.com/details?pn=US05530455__
http://www.delphion.com/details?&pn10=US05446481
Quite simply, Mouse Systems developed and patented the scrolling mouse about 10 years ago.
Microsoft LICENSED the scrolling technology after we sued them, of course. Still, MS gets the public credit for "inventing" this. At least Logitech is more decent about it (even though we sued them also.)
--I'm glad I'm not competing with Microsoft anymore... What?!! We are now? Oh, SH*T!!
re: Sun,
the LED mice were invented by Steven T. Kirsch of Mouse Systems in 1982, and sold to Sun Microsystems for about 5 years (until Logitech won the contract.)
--was there, did that
(this happened after my time, but...)
HP came up with the optical tracker for use with their CapShare hand scanner (one of the last innovations of hand scanners B4, well, you know.) They then shopped this around to companies, big and small, including Microsoft, and Mouse Systems. We were evaluating the HP tracker for a new optical mouse (Mouse started the optical mouse back in 1982) but our company folded in late '98 so we never got it to market.
Sigh for us, but hooray for HP!! Hiss for Microsoft for taking the credit.
--Will Gillick
Btw, the IntelliMouse scrolling technology is LICENSED to Microsoft, not invented by them.
Mouse Systems developed and patented the scrolling mouse about 10 years ago. Microsoft started copying it in '94 - '95 and released it as their own "innovation" in 1996. We sued them (not very successfully) in the '97 - '98 timeframe and our company went under in 1998. KYE had bought Mouse Systems and is still the patent owners; all Microsoft scrolling mice refer to our scrolling patents and Microsoft pays royalties (chicken feed, however.)
refs:
Mouse Systems scrolling patents:
http://www.delphion.com/details?pn=US05530455__
http://www.delphion.com/details?&pn10=US05446481
Microsoft's IntelliMouse patent (refers to above):
http://www.delphion.com/details?&pn10=US05912661
FYI, if you click on the Mouse patent images, you'll see some FuNkY scrolling prototypes that I still have in my closet.
I'd like to correct you, Cliffton. The IntelliMouse scrolling technology is LICENSED to Microsoft, not invented.
Quite simply, Mouse Systems developed and patented the scrolling mouse about 10 years ago. Microsoft started copying it in '94 - '95 and released it as their own "innovation" in 1996. We sued them (not very successfully) in the '97 - '98 timeframe and our company went under in 1998. KYE had bought Mouse Systems and is still the patent owners; all Microsoft scrolling mice refer to our scrolling patents and Microsoft pays royalties (chicken feed, however.)
--Will Gillick
refs:
Mouse Systems scrolling patents:
http://www.delphion.com/details?pn=US05530455__
http://www.delphion.com/details?&pn10=US05446481
Microsoft's IntelliMouse patent (refers to above):
http://www.delphion.com/details?&pn10=US05912661
FYI, if you click on the Mouse patent images, you'll see some FuNkY scrolling prototypes that I still have in my closet.:)
A look back at the past 15 years of development and I get depressed. Disclaimer: I developed on Macs and alternative micros; my company was squashed by MS (our scroller mouse); I'm an inventor currently paying the bills working in marketing (gaagh!)
1. the Dream: OpenDoc
the Killer: Microsoft OLE
a Saviour: ??
2. the Dream: common sense
the Killer: (any) Microsoft product
3. the Dream: universal HTML
the Killers: Microsoft, Netscape
4. the Dream: universal Linux usability
the Killers: Linux own success
5. the Dream: free, knowledgeable Tech Support
the Killer: ridiculous price wars
6. the Dream: reliable, low-bug-count software
the Killer: the Microsoft upgrade cycle
7. the Dream: alternatives to MS Office
the Killers: Microsoft, IT managerial greed
8. the Dream: IEEE-1394 on PCs
the Killers: Intel, USB, and Apple!!
9.
(excuse my poor grammar and boring presentation, but I'm a highly educated American, but lazy as sin.)
I disagree. Many of the "innovations" from the Microsoft hardware group are also in the "embrace and extend" mold. Microsoft see's what look like good product ideas, brings them into their labs to study, then creates their own version by and by, happily rewriting history in the process.
A couple of cases:
- Mouse-wheel for scrolling: Mouse Systems
- MS Mouse Pro (ergo lumpy-shaped): GoldTouch Technologies
In both cases, lawsuits were filed against Microsoft, to little avail. Actually, Mouse Systems did "win" in the sense that Microsoft has to license the scrolling wheel technology. However, Mouse Systems is now defunct and the holding company, KYE in Taiwan, is on its last legs.
Also, regarding the MS Optical mouse:
- HP is the originator of the sensor.
- Xerox's Richard Lyon created the original optical mouse sensor.
- Mouse Systems' Steve Kirsch invented the first Optical PC Mouse in 1982 ($300 !!) And optical models are still sold by KYE today.
I get so tired of MS tactics. The scary thing is that MS is teaching an entire generation of developers and marketeers that copying is not only cool, but essential! Insidious.
I think we're jumping to conclusions here...
...so here I go also.
The image sensor need not be very detailed in order for Aibo to appear visually responsive/intelligent. Only, a few tens (or at best, hundreds) of cells per dimension would be necessary to perceive obstacles, hand motion signals, or gross contrast changes for night/day detection, for example. I suspect one function might be too discern when Aibo has been covered (like in a blanket, box, or skirt (oops!)).
However, I think it would be exceedingly cool if a rudimentary sense of smell were incorporated in the nose. (see above "oops").
...from Spyglass, were they not? However, I don't know where the current IE team went. Btw, I heard that Steve Capps (of Apple fame) was/is on the Macintosh IE team. Do you know any more of this?
Ok, this is my area of expertise.
- Engelbart made his mouse out of a block of wood and some potentiometer-like controls for wheels, with the help of a hardware guru. This currently sits in a Logitech conference room.
- Steve Kirsch's Mouse Systems created the original optical mouse, 1st customer: Sun Microsystems. Xerox had an experimental model out a bit earlier as well.
- Microsoft got their mouse from Alps originally.
-Apple got their mechanical mouse from Logitech.
- Mouse Systems invented the wheel mouse, called first PC Mouse 3D/6D, then renamed ProAgio in the early 90's. Microsoft copied it, was sued, and now licenses it quietly. (very quietly!)
(oops, gotta finish quickly now. I've got that premonition that Windows is about to crash.)
Thanks for remembering. First, there was Doug Engelbart's mouse (1964). Then there was Xerox and their optical workstation mouse (1981, I think). Then there was Mouse Systems (1982) with their Field Mouse (workstations), PC Mouse (duh), and various flavors for Apple, Atari, other OEMS.
AC, well, it's too bad your post had so much tongue-in-cheek... otherwise, I would have more enjoyed this moment of denouement. To wit... The scrolling mouse was invented by a small startup company called Mouse Systems back in the early 90's, with 2 patents (below) covering the hardware roller, and software scrolling technique. Microsoft's IntelliMouse was found to infringe on these patents and subsequently MS now licenses this technology from KYE, makers of the Genius brand. KYE was the parent company of Mouse System from 1988 to 1998, when Mouse Systems finally folded. Mouse never got the credit for its innovations: - First optical mouse for PC (MSC Field Mouse, then MS IntelliEye?) - First serial mouse for PC (PC Mouse, then MS Mouse) - First scrolling mouse for DOS/Windows (ProAgio, then IntelliMouse) - Our engineers spun off a startup called Video7 (later Headland) that helped start the VGA accelerator craze. - First free-moving handheld scanner for Mac (PageBrush Pro) Them were fun days. Innovation is indeed invigorating. No dark menace then. -- WebRat Random notes: * I remember worrying when I sent the scrolling devices to Redmond in 1994 for WHQL testing--would the MS hardware group get a look at them? * Steven T. Kirsch founded Mouse Systems in 1982, then later Frame Technology, then InfoSeek (Go Network.) He recruited me in a few months later. * Patent numbers: 5,530,455: Roller mouse for implementing scrolling in windows applications 5,446,481: Multidimensional hybrid mouse for computers * main patent URL: http://www.patents.ibm.com/details?pn=US05530455__
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Sorry, I don't have an invite to give out, but because you are so nice:
"I pick YOU!!!"
Now, does that feel better?
(yah, lame. But I'm groveling too, and I don't know why?)
God
youIsOwned@Heaven.god
Your life expectancy is much lower now.
--All the best,
God
highest: 20000
lowest: double digits
fooled: 1437
Yah, me 2.
I got 1437, sigh.
If you'll write a 17 page dissertation on the justification of your Gmail account, then you can get one...
(attempt at humour).
Can I have it? :)
Please?
Thanks, dude.
you're helping us lose the yoke of MS-based mail.
-Will
Invite please.
"I did it before, and I'll do it again" :)
R U threatening us?
(begging for a clean email system again.)
I want the old Hotmail (pre-Microsoft) back!!
--WebRat
"Wherever you go, there you are..."
Spoken by Peter Weller, of course. Buckeroo Banzai!
I'll bite for a GMail slice of geekdom.
Thanks, Sam.
wgillick@NosPam.yahoo.com
which was in fact invented by Microsoft.
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You don't need to shower after all. The scroll wheel was invented by Mouse Systems in 1991 (patents received in 1995/96.) Microsoft pays royalties for every IntelliMouse...GOD, I wish I had retained the rights to it. Oh, well.
See this ref:
http://www.delphion.com/details?pn=US05530455__
http://www.delphion.com/details?&pn10=US0544648
Quite simply, Mouse Systems developed and patented the scrolling mouse about 10 years ago.
Microsoft LICENSED the scrolling technology after we sued them, of course. Still, MS gets the public credit for "inventing" this. At least Logitech is more decent about it (even though we sued them also.)
--I'm glad I'm not competing with Microsoft anymore... What?!! We are now? Oh, SH*T!!
re: Sun, the LED mice were invented by Steven T. Kirsch of Mouse Systems in 1982, and sold to Sun Microsystems for about 5 years (until Logitech won the contract.) --was there, did that
Thanks, RGM.
(this happened after my time, but...)
HP came up with the optical tracker for use with their CapShare hand scanner (one of the last innovations of hand scanners B4, well, you know.) They then shopped this around to companies, big and small, including Microsoft, and Mouse Systems. We were evaluating the HP tracker for a new optical mouse (Mouse started the optical mouse back in 1982) but our company folded in late '98 so we never got it to market.
Sigh for us, but hooray for HP!! Hiss for Microsoft for taking the credit.
--Will Gillick
Btw, the IntelliMouse scrolling technology is LICENSED to Microsoft, not invented by them.
Mouse Systems developed and patented the scrolling mouse about 10 years ago. Microsoft started copying it in '94 - '95 and released it as their own "innovation" in 1996. We sued them (not very successfully) in the '97 - '98 timeframe and our company went under in 1998. KYE had bought Mouse Systems and is still the patent owners; all Microsoft scrolling mice refer to our scrolling patents and Microsoft pays royalties (chicken feed, however.)
refs:
Mouse Systems scrolling patents:
http://www.delphion.com/details?pn=US05530455__
http://www.delphion.com/details?&pn10=US05446481
Microsoft's IntelliMouse patent (refers to above):
http://www.delphion.com/details?&pn10=US05912661
FYI, if you click on the Mouse patent images, you'll see some FuNkY scrolling prototypes that I still have in my closet.
IntelliMouse, NOT!!
:)
I'd like to correct you, Cliffton. The IntelliMouse scrolling technology is LICENSED to Microsoft, not invented.
Quite simply, Mouse Systems developed and patented the scrolling mouse about 10 years ago. Microsoft started copying it in '94 - '95 and released it as their own "innovation" in 1996. We sued them (not very successfully) in the '97 - '98 timeframe and our company went under in 1998. KYE had bought Mouse Systems and is still the patent owners; all Microsoft scrolling mice refer to our scrolling patents and Microsoft pays royalties (chicken feed, however.)
--Will Gillick
refs:
Mouse Systems scrolling patents:
http://www.delphion.com/details?pn=US05530455__
http://www.delphion.com/details?&pn10=US05446481
Microsoft's IntelliMouse patent (refers to above):
http://www.delphion.com/details?&pn10=US05912661
FYI, if you click on the Mouse patent images, you'll see some FuNkY scrolling prototypes that I still have in my closet.
A look back at the past 15 years of development and I get depressed. Disclaimer: I developed on Macs and alternative micros; my company was squashed by MS (our scroller mouse); I'm an inventor currently paying the bills working in marketing (gaagh!)
1. the Dream: OpenDoc
the Killer: Microsoft OLE
a Saviour: ??
2. the Dream: common sense
the Killer: (any) Microsoft product
3. the Dream: universal HTML
the Killers: Microsoft, Netscape
4. the Dream: universal Linux usability
the Killers: Linux own success
5. the Dream: free, knowledgeable Tech Support
the Killer: ridiculous price wars
6. the Dream: reliable, low-bug-count software
the Killer: the Microsoft upgrade cycle
7. the Dream: alternatives to MS Office
the Killers: Microsoft, IT managerial greed
8. the Dream: IEEE-1394 on PCs
the Killers: Intel, USB, and Apple!!
9.
(excuse my poor grammar and boring presentation, but I'm a highly educated American, but lazy as sin.)
I disagree. Many of the "innovations" from the Microsoft hardware group are also in the "embrace and extend" mold. Microsoft see's what look like good product ideas, brings them into their labs to study, then creates their own version by and by, happily rewriting history in the process.
A couple of cases:
- Mouse-wheel for scrolling: Mouse Systems
- MS Mouse Pro (ergo lumpy-shaped): GoldTouch Technologies
In both cases, lawsuits were filed against Microsoft, to little avail. Actually, Mouse Systems did "win" in the sense that Microsoft has to license the scrolling wheel technology. However, Mouse Systems is now defunct and the holding company, KYE in Taiwan, is on its last legs.
Also, regarding the MS Optical mouse:
- HP is the originator of the sensor.
- Xerox's Richard Lyon created the original optical mouse sensor.
- Mouse Systems' Steve Kirsch invented the first Optical PC Mouse in 1982 ($300 !!) And optical models are still sold by KYE today.
I get so tired of MS tactics. The scary thing is that MS is teaching an entire generation of developers and marketeers that copying is not only cool, but essential! Insidious.
-WebRat
I think we're jumping to conclusions here...
...so here I go also.
The image sensor need not be very detailed in order for Aibo to appear visually responsive/intelligent. Only, a few tens (or at best, hundreds) of cells per dimension would be necessary to perceive obstacles, hand motion signals, or gross contrast changes for night/day detection, for example. I suspect one function might be too discern when Aibo has been covered (like in a blanket, box, or skirt (oops!)).
However, I think it would be exceedingly cool if a rudimentary sense of smell were incorporated in the nose. (see above "oops").
...from Spyglass, were they not? However, I don't know where the current IE team went. Btw, I heard that Steve Capps (of Apple fame) was/is on the Macintosh IE team. Do you know any more of this?
Congrats, Herb. Doug's a sweet guy, and doesn't get the credit he deserves. (but then you already know that.)
Ok, this is my area of expertise.
- Engelbart made his mouse out of a block of wood and some potentiometer-like controls for wheels, with the help of a hardware guru. This currently sits in a Logitech conference room.
- Steve Kirsch's Mouse Systems created the original optical mouse, 1st customer: Sun Microsystems. Xerox had an experimental model out a bit earlier as well.
- Microsoft got their mouse from Alps originally.
-Apple got their mechanical mouse from Logitech.
- Mouse Systems invented the wheel mouse, called first PC Mouse 3D/6D, then renamed ProAgio in the early 90's. Microsoft copied it, was sued, and now licenses it quietly. (very quietly!)
(oops, gotta finish quickly now. I've got that premonition that Windows is about to crash.)
Thanks for remembering.
First, there was Doug Engelbart's mouse (1964).
Then there was Xerox and their optical workstation mouse (1981, I think).
Then there was Mouse Systems (1982) with their Field Mouse (workstations), PC Mouse (duh), and various flavors for Apple, Atari, other OEMS.
--WebRat
AC, well, it's too bad your post had so much tongue-in-cheek... otherwise, I would have more enjoyed this moment of denouement. To wit... The scrolling mouse was invented by a small startup company called Mouse Systems back in the early 90's, with 2 patents (below) covering the hardware roller, and software scrolling technique. Microsoft's IntelliMouse was found to infringe on these patents and subsequently MS now licenses this technology from KYE, makers of the Genius brand. KYE was the parent company of Mouse System from 1988 to 1998, when Mouse Systems finally folded. Mouse never got the credit for its innovations: - First optical mouse for PC (MSC Field Mouse, then MS IntelliEye?) - First serial mouse for PC (PC Mouse, then MS Mouse) - First scrolling mouse for DOS/Windows (ProAgio, then IntelliMouse) - Our engineers spun off a startup called Video7 (later Headland) that helped start the VGA accelerator craze. - First free-moving handheld scanner for Mac (PageBrush Pro) Them were fun days. Innovation is indeed invigorating. No dark menace then. -- WebRat Random notes: * I remember worrying when I sent the scrolling devices to Redmond in 1994 for WHQL testing--would the MS hardware group get a look at them? * Steven T. Kirsch founded Mouse Systems in 1982, then later Frame Technology, then InfoSeek (Go Network.) He recruited me in a few months later. * Patent numbers: 5,530,455: Roller mouse for implementing scrolling in windows applications 5,446,481: Multidimensional hybrid mouse for computers * main patent URL: http://www.patents.ibm.com/details?pn=US05530455__