I understand that it could be dangerous, but do you really think it's so dangerous that we are being willfully ignorant and sending people to their deaths?
There is no state that will win a court case against somebody that refused to stop for an unmarked vehicle. Not one with a jury...
In order to pull them over in the first place, they have to have authority, and that authority has to be recognizable. An unmarked vehicle is expressly for the purposes of blending in with the public. So if the officer is actively attempting to hide himself in public, than how is it ever reasonable to assume that a citizen knows it's the authority?
Yeah.... no way I'm ever stopping for anything less than a full black and white with prominent flashing lights on top.
Of course I will call the cops too. Quite frankly, if everyone didn't pull over and called the cops every single time, it would just stop. It would end up that an unmarked vehicle would follow, and that officer would call a regular police cruiser to pull them over for him.
the key extraction attack relies on crafting chosen ciphertexts that cause numerical cancellations deep inside GnuPG's modular exponentiation algorithm
So do this mean that they can analyze it only be introducing specific ciphertext into the communication?
That does not seem all that useful when you have no control over the hardware, and no influence on the communication.
Not at all. I prefer to see it as sincere civil disobedience.
Copyrights do serve a purpose, and that is specifically to encourage the creation of artistic works and new technologies that can be added to the Public Domain.
My absolute hard limit is 20 years. Anything beyond that, and I happily infringe upon the copyright as I sincerely believe it is more of a detriment to society than a benefit. If anything, I am taking back my own endorsement of their specific legal entitlements that were granted by me in the first place...
You might say, "Well that is something that needs to be voted on and enacted by law...". Well that's only possible when the law can be influenced by anything but monied interests.
Hence, my long standing civil disobedience in violating any copyrights/patents older than 20 years.
Yes, I do pay for plenty of software, technology, and art.
They are all so full of shit about why they do things. Plus, they actually think they are serving the public by "practicing" to be a detective.
It was someplace near Los Angeles, and I was driving a nice Jaguar that my friend lent me while I was there. Had a full car and picked up a cop on my ass on a busy road. Saw him the moment he came into my lane.
Drove like a preacher on Sunday for the next 10 minutes with him no more than 6-10 car lengths off my ass. Got off the road and went down some side streets.
I hit a four way stop sign, come to a complete and full stop, turn right... and bam... lights and sirens.
He actually had the nerve to tell me, "It looked like you did not come to a full stop".
Really? You follow me for 10 minutes just to jack up my fucking insurance (Failure to stop is actually much worse than speeding) with a ticket for a California Roll that you aren't even sure I did in the first place?
Dickhead things like that have caused me to lose any respect I had for law enforcement. That little fishing expedition resulted in a bench warrant in CA for over 10 years. Still don't drive when I come out to visit.
No way I was ever going to pay for that asshole's fishing trip.
Like I said in another post, The Scorpion and the Frog.
The NSA exists to protect us on their terms, not ours. It serves their purposes to weaken encryption far more than it does to protect it.
They are acting in accordance with their nature, and in the complete absence of any real regulations on their activities. Those that would regulate it are shut up quite nicely regardless of which of the 3 branches of government they are in..
Big Data and all that fancy analysis is just way way way way to much of an enticement for them to possibly stop. Seriously, it's like walking into a room with a bunch of naked, giggling, and drunk cheerleaders.
I quite agree.... with eliminating copyright entirely.
However, we can't actually do that until we find an alternate system that encourages you to write that sci-fi novel can we?
While I like a Utopian future without money as much as the next person, it's not going to work unless you have all those pieces in place. Most of that quite frankly is behavioral science, not conceptual ideas.
Until we evolve as a species I'm just fine with reasonable copyright laws that give you the ability to make money from your work.
Unlike 50 years ago, when Apple released all those tracks it was on the Internet. I have no intentions of respecting copyright on something over 50 years old, and now that the material is out in the open, we all have access to it.
The material has now been released to the world instead of decaying on a shelf. A good start indeed.
They abused their power and position in the community to forcibly detain motorists under false pretenses .
There is only ONE instance in which an officer can use a marked vehicle (never stop for unmarked ones) with their lights and/or sirens to pull a citizen over. The officer either witnessed a crime or has reasonable cause to suspect that a crime has been committed.
Yes, using the lights and/or sirens is forcible detainment. It's not like you have a choice do you?
It falls under the same bullshit of a fishing expedition. The cop pulls you over just to look inside the windows and fuck with you. Asks a bunch of questions trying to trip you up, to obtain a legal reason for detaining you in the first place when all they had was a hunch .
We don't need any further accuracy into their actions. Absolutely nothing justifies that initial act of forcible detainment.
The state should lose a couple million dollars in nice fat settlements to everyone pulled over. It's the only way they ever learn.
I don't doubt that the NSA is highly skilled and that one would be wise to follow their suggestions for best practices. Certainly pay attention the NSA suite B.
That being said, why on Earth would one trust a cryptographic primitive that the NSA was involved in creating?
It reminds me of the scorpion and the frog crossing the river. The NSA is strongly compelled to compromise as much of the US communications infrastructure that they can, as well as the rest of the world. Those activities are in the furtherance of their reason d'etre.
You know this. You know who they Are. They will act in accordance with their nature, just like the scorpion.
So as much as they want to protect the US infrastructure from external and internal threats, that needs a balance with their need to compromise it. After all, unless you can completely, utterly, and with unprecedented skill, annihilate the citizens privacy, how do you protect them?
The NSA needs this information for Big Data Fuckfest where those dreams they had while jerking off to Minority Report finally come true. It will be them that can identify a subversive and stop him before he even has a chance to buy parts for his doomsday weapon.
So take their suggestions with a grain of salt, be suspicious and mindful about their algorithm designs, and strongly on guard for any programming primitives that you know they have influenced.
They are protecting you on their own terms, not yours.
to write your ipsec, thats the definition of security.
Exactly.
The NSA is the one you are protecting yourself against. Why would you EVER trust any cryptographic primitives designed by them at all?
Being able to fully trust the cryptographic primitives on a system is not a new thing though... those NSA guys have tainted so much everywhere simply because it is their job description to decrypt sensitive communications for the intelligence community.
Plus, I'm a little hesitant to do something like that. What if an old man has a heart attack and his wife or daughter tries calling 911?
It's better that the ability to use it is there, just that the knowledge you will be beaten to a pulp unless you have a life or death excuse for using it is there too.
I never said you had to pay out of pocket. In fact I said, they should.
I never said you had to do it if it really did place an undue burden.
If you're rural and 30 minutes away from the post office and they don't want to pay for shipping, then tell them you are making it available for next 7 days. After wards it becomes your property to do with what you want.
Now, if you live in a city, and it only takes you a few extra minutes at lunch to place the shipping label you printed out on the box and ship it, you're just being a lazy selfish asshole.
I have no problem spending upwards of two cents and 5 minutes at lunch to return a stranger's property. It's not that much of a burden dude.
Don't also forget that it is the Emirates based out of Dubai.
I'm willing to bet the average passenger is possessing of a little more manners and decorum due to their culture.
What we are talking about here are Americans. The average ones that take flights. The current generation.
It's disingenuous because you are comparing primitive apes flinging poo to more civilized societies around the world. Not saying Dubai is vastly more civilized or anything, just that it doesn't take much to be more civil in public than the average American these days.
Yeah, that's really freakin sad too.
Yes, the younger generation today (20-30) is nothing more than primitive apes flinging poo. I'll apologize to them sincerely if one of them can sit more than 10 minutes in complete silence with no technology without starting to fidget or cry.
I was in an older hotel once and a couple across the border from Mexico would not stop smoking in the non-smoking room next to me. The smoke would come under the door and across through the ventilation.
Complained at least 9 times till they moved me to a bigger suite across the hotel... since they could not get this guy to stop smoking. I knew he was Mexican and across the border (they come over to spend money in the large outlet malls) since he would scream every time they knocked on the door telling him to stop. You could tell he was pissed off and it could not get through his thick skull that his behavior was unwanted, not allowed, and selfish.
Next day he went completely ape shit during check out because they charged his card over a hundred dollars in fines for repeated attempts to smoke throughout the night. I got to see his face.
That's because we are living in the most narcissistic generation of all time. We have never seen such levels of entitlement in little shits, and it has strangely become more acceptable for adults to act like this.
I'm not a Luddite, but I do blame technology and social networking. It's immediate gratification and the addictive quality of the communications in general that slowly convince people that their world really does revolve around only them. How dare you cut them off from their reality augmented with continuous flows of superficial information about their "friends"?
In any case, the problem in a nutshell, is a complete lack of empathy. Before somebody acts it's generally wise and considerate to evaluate the affect of your actions on everyone else, and then employ something radical today... common sense. Perhaps a bit of the Golden Rule would be helpful too.
Instead of the very first reaction to the curtailment of your immediate gratification being a violent ego-induced whine about how you are being oppressed, and that freedom is important, it might just be a little empathy of the other person and an honest unbiased assessment of the situation.
Yeah.... good luck with that. I stopped going to movies too after the first 3 incidents of the police having to come out to stop me from putting my foot literally down some young person's neck because they would not stop talking at full volume during the movie.
I gave up on peaceful enjoyment in that environment a long time ago.
Be damned though if I put up with on an airplane where I paid hundreds of dollars and can't escape though...
You're still missing the point. (God I hate airplanes so freakin much)
An airplane is NOT a public space.
It's a pressurized little container where people are jammed packed like little fucking sardines. The average seat size has been reduced due to greed, while the average ass size has only gone up.
So it's greatly uncomfortable as it is. Let's add to it ridiculously uncomfortable seats, and the fact they can recline annihilating the space for the passenger behind you. Your option? Recline your seat as well to reclaim the space. Last row that can't recline. You're fucked dude.
You got problems with poor circulation and neuropathy? Ehhh, fuck you and stay sitting period. You can't even get up to stretch your legs unless it's the weak pretense of going to bathroom, and there are only two of those SOB's on most flights.
Then there is biggest restraint. It's a pressurized fucking container moving 500+ mph through the sky and you can't leave .
It's not a public space by any stretch of the imagination. It's an agreed upon temporary prison not designed for comfort at all with the sole purpose of ferrying your ass as fast as possible between two points.
So let's be pragmatic in the approach and not so high and mighty about who gets to do what and how freedom shall not be tarnished and the wings of liberty can't lose a feather.
Can I leave that environment at any time when some asshat like you thinks I should just spend my money for sensory deprivation equipment because you want to dominate the space with your loud incessant talking on the phone? You might want to think that through for a sec....
Cuz... I will fucking kill you. They will pull you off that plane with peanuts jammed up your nose, and that life raft/vest/fart-catcher sticking out your ass. Ohh, and I will be wearing your fucking ears around my neck as a sign of my kill.
I'm not trapped on that plane with you, you're trapped on that plane with me. I'm uncomfortable. I'm pissed off that the TSA didn't lube up on that pseudo random investigations they do for security theater. I'm possibly a little dehydrated cuz I didn't want to spend 10$ for a bottle of water and $3m USD for that turkey panini to raise my blood sugar up. It's not just me either. Keep that in mind.
You're general audience is pissed off (at least to some extent), frustrated, uncomfortable, hungry, dehydrated, dealing with snotty children and babies, and CAPTIVE. Good luck if you want to be the asshole and become the center of attention.
P.S - Having a conversation with another travelling passenger at a reasonable volume is just fine. You should just be civilized and keep in mind that nobody has the choice but to put up with you, and they have no where to go.
You misunderstand what I meant about cheerleading for truth.
Being passionate about the truth, and vocal about it, is perfectly fine. You've taken me so far out of context that you are conflating my position with censorship almost.
I'm saying you don't need to push it to the point of fanaticism and degrade people doing it. It's virtues stand on its own quite nicely.
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I understand that it could be dangerous, but do you really think it's so dangerous that we are being willfully ignorant and sending people to their deaths?
Doesn't sound like anything a bit of dynamite couldn't handle.
How's that paradigm working out for you Mr. Coyote?
There is no state that will win a court case against somebody that refused to stop for an unmarked vehicle. Not one with a jury...
In order to pull them over in the first place, they have to have authority, and that authority has to be recognizable. An unmarked vehicle is expressly for the purposes of blending in with the public. So if the officer is actively attempting to hide himself in public, than how is it ever reasonable to assume that a citizen knows it's the authority?
Yeah.... no way I'm ever stopping for anything less than a full black and white with prominent flashing lights on top.
Of course I will call the cops too. Quite frankly, if everyone didn't pull over and called the cops every single time, it would just stop. It would end up that an unmarked vehicle would follow, and that officer would call a regular police cruiser to pull them over for him.
the key extraction attack relies on crafting chosen ciphertexts that cause numerical cancellations deep inside GnuPG's modular exponentiation algorithm
So do this mean that they can analyze it only be introducing specific ciphertext into the communication?
That does not seem all that useful when you have no control over the hardware, and no influence on the communication.
Not at all. I prefer to see it as sincere civil disobedience.
Copyrights do serve a purpose, and that is specifically to encourage the creation of artistic works and new technologies that can be added to the Public Domain.
My absolute hard limit is 20 years. Anything beyond that, and I happily infringe upon the copyright as I sincerely believe it is more of a detriment to society than a benefit. If anything, I am taking back my own endorsement of their specific legal entitlements that were granted by me in the first place...
You might say, "Well that is something that needs to be voted on and enacted by law...". Well that's only possible when the law can be influenced by anything but monied interests.
Hence, my long standing civil disobedience in violating any copyrights/patents older than 20 years.
Yes, I do pay for plenty of software, technology, and art.
They are all so full of shit about why they do things. Plus, they actually think they are serving the public by "practicing" to be a detective.
It was someplace near Los Angeles, and I was driving a nice Jaguar that my friend lent me while I was there. Had a full car and picked up a cop on my ass on a busy road. Saw him the moment he came into my lane.
Drove like a preacher on Sunday for the next 10 minutes with him no more than 6-10 car lengths off my ass. Got off the road and went down some side streets.
I hit a four way stop sign, come to a complete and full stop, turn right... and bam... lights and sirens.
He actually had the nerve to tell me, "It looked like you did not come to a full stop".
Really? You follow me for 10 minutes just to jack up my fucking insurance (Failure to stop is actually much worse than speeding) with a ticket for a California Roll that you aren't even sure I did in the first place?
Dickhead things like that have caused me to lose any respect I had for law enforcement. That little fishing expedition resulted in a bench warrant in CA for over 10 years. Still don't drive when I come out to visit.
No way I was ever going to pay for that asshole's fishing trip.
I don't understand why this is news at all.
Like I said in another post, The Scorpion and the Frog.
The NSA exists to protect us on their terms, not ours. It serves their purposes to weaken encryption far more than it does to protect it.
They are acting in accordance with their nature, and in the complete absence of any real regulations on their activities. Those that would regulate it are shut up quite nicely regardless of which of the 3 branches of government they are in..
Big Data and all that fancy analysis is just way way way way to much of an enticement for them to possibly stop. Seriously, it's like walking into a room with a bunch of naked, giggling, and drunk cheerleaders.
Ohhh, the appropriate time has long since passed.
I would have said the moment the Patriot Act was signed into law myself....
I quite agree.... with eliminating copyright entirely.
However, we can't actually do that until we find an alternate system that encourages you to write that sci-fi novel can we?
While I like a Utopian future without money as much as the next person, it's not going to work unless you have all those pieces in place. Most of that quite frankly is behavioral science, not conceptual ideas.
Until we evolve as a species I'm just fine with reasonable copyright laws that give you the ability to make money from your work.
Absolutely we can accept it as a victory.
Unlike 50 years ago, when Apple released all those tracks it was on the Internet. I have no intentions of respecting copyright on something over 50 years old, and now that the material is out in the open, we all have access to it.
The material has now been released to the world instead of decaying on a shelf. A good start indeed.
We only need to know one thing:
They abused their power and position in the community to forcibly detain motorists under false pretenses .
There is only ONE instance in which an officer can use a marked vehicle (never stop for unmarked ones) with their lights and/or sirens to pull a citizen over. The officer either witnessed a crime or has reasonable cause to suspect that a crime has been committed.
Yes, using the lights and/or sirens is forcible detainment. It's not like you have a choice do you?
It falls under the same bullshit of a fishing expedition. The cop pulls you over just to look inside the windows and fuck with you. Asks a bunch of questions trying to trip you up, to obtain a legal reason for detaining you in the first place when all they had was a hunch .
We don't need any further accuracy into their actions. Absolutely nothing justifies that initial act of forcible detainment.
The state should lose a couple million dollars in nice fat settlements to everyone pulled over. It's the only way they ever learn.
I don't doubt that the NSA is highly skilled and that one would be wise to follow their suggestions for best practices. Certainly pay attention the NSA suite B.
That being said, why on Earth would one trust a cryptographic primitive that the NSA was involved in creating?
It reminds me of the scorpion and the frog crossing the river. The NSA is strongly compelled to compromise as much of the US communications infrastructure that they can, as well as the rest of the world. Those activities are in the furtherance of their reason d'etre.
You know this. You know who they Are. They will act in accordance with their nature, just like the scorpion.
So as much as they want to protect the US infrastructure from external and internal threats, that needs a balance with their need to compromise it. After all, unless you can completely, utterly, and with unprecedented skill, annihilate the citizens privacy, how do you protect them?
The NSA needs this information for Big Data Fuckfest where those dreams they had while jerking off to Minority Report finally come true. It will be them that can identify a subversive and stop him before he even has a chance to buy parts for his doomsday weapon.
So take their suggestions with a grain of salt, be suspicious and mindful about their algorithm designs, and strongly on guard for any programming primitives that you know they have influenced.
They are protecting you on their own terms, not yours.
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how's_the_weather."
I don't know why people downvote you. We should just use your posts as a form of high entropy communication and use it for cryptography.
No one can predict what you will say....
to write your ipsec, thats the definition of security.
Exactly.
The NSA is the one you are protecting yourself against . Why would you EVER trust any cryptographic primitives designed by them at all?
Being able to fully trust the cryptographic primitives on a system is not a new thing though... those NSA guys have tainted so much everywhere simply because it is their job description to decrypt sensitive communications for the intelligence community.
Microsoft anyone?
I'm not sure about that.
Plus, I'm a little hesitant to do something like that. What if an old man has a heart attack and his wife or daughter tries calling 911?
It's better that the ability to use it is there, just that the knowledge you will be beaten to a pulp unless you have a life or death excuse for using it is there too.
You obviously can't read.
I never said you had to pay out of pocket. In fact I said, they should.
I never said you had to do it if it really did place an undue burden.
If you're rural and 30 minutes away from the post office and they don't want to pay for shipping, then tell them you are making it available for next 7 days. After wards it becomes your property to do with what you want.
Now, if you live in a city, and it only takes you a few extra minutes at lunch to place the shipping label you printed out on the box and ship it, you're just being a lazy selfish asshole.
I have no problem spending upwards of two cents and 5 minutes at lunch to return a stranger's property. It's not that much of a burden dude.
Cheating isn't really possible.
You don't roll the dice to decide if you get drunk. You roll the dice to understand why you are getting drunk.
It's the one true instance of effect before cause.
I know that I'm going to get drunk tonight. I don't need to justify it or throw some dice to make peace with that fact :)
I just fell in love with the Alamo Drafthouse.
I would absolutely pay extra money for an establishment that is militant about no texting and talking during movies.
Wish they had one around me. Only place I would go.
Don't also forget that it is the Emirates based out of Dubai.
I'm willing to bet the average passenger is possessing of a little more manners and decorum due to their culture.
What we are talking about here are Americans. The average ones that take flights. The current generation.
It's disingenuous because you are comparing primitive apes flinging poo to more civilized societies around the world. Not saying Dubai is vastly more civilized or anything, just that it doesn't take much to be more civil in public than the average American these days.
Yeah, that's really freakin sad too.
Yes, the younger generation today (20-30) is nothing more than primitive apes flinging poo. I'll apologize to them sincerely if one of them can sit more than 10 minutes in complete silence with no technology without starting to fidget or cry.
Oooohhhh... that one.
I was in an older hotel once and a couple across the border from Mexico would not stop smoking in the non-smoking room next to me. The smoke would come under the door and across through the ventilation.
Complained at least 9 times till they moved me to a bigger suite across the hotel... since they could not get this guy to stop smoking. I knew he was Mexican and across the border (they come over to spend money in the large outlet malls) since he would scream every time they knocked on the door telling him to stop. You could tell he was pissed off and it could not get through his thick skull that his behavior was unwanted, not allowed, and selfish.
Next day he went completely ape shit during check out because they charged his card over a hundred dollars in fines for repeated attempts to smoke throughout the night. I got to see his face.
It was a lot more satisfying than it sounds.
That's because we are living in the most narcissistic generation of all time. We have never seen such levels of entitlement in little shits, and it has strangely become more acceptable for adults to act like this.
I'm not a Luddite, but I do blame technology and social networking. It's immediate gratification and the addictive quality of the communications in general that slowly convince people that their world really does revolve around only them. How dare you cut them off from their reality augmented with continuous flows of superficial information about their "friends"?
In any case, the problem in a nutshell, is a complete lack of empathy. Before somebody acts it's generally wise and considerate to evaluate the affect of your actions on everyone else, and then employ something radical today... common sense. Perhaps a bit of the Golden Rule would be helpful too.
Instead of the very first reaction to the curtailment of your immediate gratification being a violent ego-induced whine about how you are being oppressed, and that freedom is important, it might just be a little empathy of the other person and an honest unbiased assessment of the situation.
Yeah.... good luck with that. I stopped going to movies too after the first 3 incidents of the police having to come out to stop me from putting my foot literally down some young person's neck because they would not stop talking at full volume during the movie.
I gave up on peaceful enjoyment in that environment a long time ago.
Be damned though if I put up with on an airplane where I paid hundreds of dollars and can't escape though...
You're still missing the point. (God I hate airplanes so freakin much)
An airplane is NOT a public space.
It's a pressurized little container where people are jammed packed like little fucking sardines. The average seat size has been reduced due to greed, while the average ass size has only gone up.
So it's greatly uncomfortable as it is. Let's add to it ridiculously uncomfortable seats, and the fact they can recline annihilating the space for the passenger behind you. Your option? Recline your seat as well to reclaim the space. Last row that can't recline. You're fucked dude.
You got problems with poor circulation and neuropathy? Ehhh, fuck you and stay sitting period. You can't even get up to stretch your legs unless it's the weak pretense of going to bathroom, and there are only two of those SOB's on most flights.
Then there is biggest restraint. It's a pressurized fucking container moving 500+ mph through the sky and you can't leave .
It's not a public space by any stretch of the imagination. It's an agreed upon temporary prison not designed for comfort at all with the sole purpose of ferrying your ass as fast as possible between two points.
So let's be pragmatic in the approach and not so high and mighty about who gets to do what and how freedom shall not be tarnished and the wings of liberty can't lose a feather.
Can I leave that environment at any time when some asshat like you thinks I should just spend my money for sensory deprivation equipment because you want to dominate the space with your loud incessant talking on the phone? You might want to think that through for a sec....
Cuz... I will fucking kill you. They will pull you off that plane with peanuts jammed up your nose, and that life raft/vest/fart-catcher sticking out your ass. Ohh, and I will be wearing your fucking ears around my neck as a sign of my kill.
I'm not trapped on that plane with you, you're trapped on that plane with me. I'm uncomfortable. I'm pissed off that the TSA didn't lube up on that pseudo random investigations they do for security theater. I'm possibly a little dehydrated cuz I didn't want to spend 10$ for a bottle of water and $3m USD for that turkey panini to raise my blood sugar up. It's not just me either. Keep that in mind.
You're general audience is pissed off (at least to some extent), frustrated, uncomfortable, hungry, dehydrated, dealing with snotty children and babies, and CAPTIVE . Good luck if you want to be the asshole and become the center of attention.
P.S - Having a conversation with another travelling passenger at a reasonable volume is just fine. You should just be civilized and keep in mind that nobody has the choice but to put up with you, and they have no where to go.
I don't have a problem with returning it. That's the spirit of the golden rule anyways.
I've had these issues before and while some actually expected me to pay for shipping, most were happy enough to provide a shipping label.
Takes 5 minutes to drop the package off the next time I'm at lunch.
Unless it really does place an undue burden upon you to return it, I don't even see how this is an ethics issue up for debate.
ordering from a French online store
That's very strange indeed. I would think of something happened to France the UK would hear about requests to help them....
You misunderstand what I meant about cheerleading for truth.
Being passionate about the truth, and vocal about it, is perfectly fine. You've taken me so far out of context that you are conflating my position with censorship almost.
I'm saying you don't need to push it to the point of fanaticism and degrade people doing it. It's virtues stand on its own quite nicely.