So, I spent the 20 minutes watching it and I'm impressed - by the lack of memory. My 4 GB iPod nano is full, my wife's 8 GB is nearly always so, and between us, we never have the songs we want on the road.
Now to add my contacts, photos, and even more stuff (that I could carry on my nano, but don't) - I'm not worried about Web 2.0 - I'm worried that "the best iPod ever" is a kinda a step backwards if I take back even more music....
Please don't even get me started about how desparately I'd like integrated GPS. I think it's an iPod and a neo1973 (or later) shaping up for yours truly.... (with nods to open music stds, etc, etc, etc -ok?)
Sorry, I answered your demand in the best way I knew how. I seriously don't feel it's my requirement to spoon feed you anyone's artwork and "let" you or anyone else judge anything. Try going out and looking for art. If you're frustrated that you find only recycled dribble, have the courage to ask for help in broadening your horizons among interesting people you meet face to face. If your RL doesn't afford that, try watching some decent things like POV on PBS until you get a lucky message that you can receive.
You're on a dead end path to depression and I feel bad for you. But no need to get repressive about it. The world is a colorful place (visually, sonically, tecturally and dangerously). Please try to look at this way - at each stage of the discourse you increase the constraints, so let's take the logical final leap - what is a pure element? Gold? Quarks? Shall we go deeper? Is there is no end to the argument on your side because in the end, reality itself is derivative? - By your definitions whether you meant to or not, you have essentially said this. And the reason that there's no end to the success of your argument is simply this - it is, by definition, rationalization and nothing more clever than that.
Please either tell me that you're getting this or that you're simply a music/art/broadway critic....... As Trudy the Bag Lady once said, reality is a collective hunch. Art is perhaps even more etherial than that - even if some (s.o.m.e.) is derivative.
Some people have created purely, exactly because they have lived in very painful isolation chambers all of their lives. Some of them have described the experience in much the way you might describe what you see looking out of your window or into a mirror. Others have created purely, exactly because of a joy of connectedness that they couldn't contain.
BTW - you misspelled Best Friend You've Had in Quite a While as "weasel."
I'd need more than luck to convince people that think like you.
If I name works that you've never heard of (more than likely), then what's the next thing you'll come to - that I'm making it all up? And how could you charge that? At least one piece I'd cite comes from my artist wife. You can't just sit back and arbitrarily decide that the whole world derives because you're sure that - without firsthand knowledge of the artist or their process - that they worked within the confines of the context you insist occurred because it matches your point of view. Yet sadly, your challenge seems prima facie to state that that's exactly where you're coming from.
The insistance that invention is by necessity an exercise in derivation is a form of cowardice - it gives a whole lot of people a comfy excuse for rationalizing why they needn't - or can't - generate new ideas, products, inventions - or - works of art from exactly what you can't accept: whole cloth of the creator's imagination and skills.
It's the thesis of the book cited. I'm not flaming, and doubtless many may think I am, but the facts speak for themselves - and the sad fact is this: to a closed mind, nothing is possible. It has always been thus.
Nothing completely new is ever created nowadays, every phrase, every sketch, every melody all use what has come before in varying degrees.
Sorry, but no way am I buying this. This statement rears its ugly head in more fields than just entertainment. Please read Ancient Engineers by L. Sprague De Camp, maybe get inspired and invent something.
Would you sue someone for overhearing a personal phone call while at work?
One of my employers introduced email to staff with a written policy including the following statement:
Your email should be considered as a resource equivalent to your telephone. We allow personal calls, within reason, during working hours; so, like the telephone, we allow personal emails, within reason. Just as personal conversations may be overheard by coworkers, so it may be with email, due to system administration and so forth. Therefore, keep the contents of your personal email at the same level as that you would have in a telephone conversation with a coworker standing nearby. I for one found it enlightening and have encouraged this viewpoint ever since.
As to metaphors of email, I subscribe to the one posted earlier that it should be treated as a phone call would be for wiretap purposes. Essentially the same carrier medium, with the same broad capabilities. That one is half-duplex is about all I can see of difference between the two. Both require specialized machinery in order to convert the electronic signal back into a human-understandable form; both can be intercepted and understood with the right technical ledgergermain.
I wonder if any of this shearing would have occurred if the progenitors had named it text-talk, text-phone or some such instead of electronic mail.
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I don't know about your case in particular, but people that seem to defend Apple and "clarify a misleading story" on Slashdot do seem to be overly sensitive to these issues.
Just a precautionary note, as I may be perceived in this way at some point - or may become guilty of it without realizing it...
When I pushed for Apple II+s to allow us to have something worthwhile on our desks, I was an idiot to believe that toys could do engineering computations. When I pushed for an affordable VAX to free us from the Cyber66, I was a dreamer who must not realize that it took big iron to run a real compiler. When I pushed for PCs for management to offload work from engineering programmers doing the "occasional" business programming, I had no concept of cost control. When I pushed for MS-DOS clones for the engineering programmers to do offline editing, I had no idea how important buying real computers from a real company, IBM, was. When I downloaded my first GNU app replacement (gtar????), I had no idea how much work professional programmers had put into real UNIX apps. When I spent a few weeks with buddies downloading the first Linux distribution onto floppy disks at 1200 baud, I needed to get a life and realize that MS-DOS would do everything you wanted, more if you had the common sense to use Windows 3.something. When I tried to demonstrate that the OS/2 Warp I was using had everything that to-be-Win95 users wanted - multitasking, a Mozilla alternative, ability to run Windows 3.1 programs and networking, I was some idiot who didn't get that you had to go with the winner that kicked IBM's butt in the first place. When I turned to FreeBSD because it was stable, I was an evolutionary throwback who didn't understand how UNIX was dying. When I explained to management that six months prior to their reading about Linux in the Wall Street Journal, I had already installed it for file-serving the HP-UX subnet and the PC subnets I had created where previously there was no networking in the company, I was out of my mind for not thinking about the implications of how something foreign might impact our new network (just before bonusing themselves for having the insight to hire a networking go-getter). When I put us on the outer world with a OpenBSD firewall, I was a dinosaur who evidently didn't get that Linux is the only real *nix to buy anymore and a moron for not even considering what a bad idea it was to put something with Open in the name on our new firewall thingy.
And when I adopted OS/X, I was what everyone knew I was all along - a guy who didn't really understand computers and didn't realize that I could no longer be trusted to have anything to say about them because I was too stoopid to realize what it meant when I came out of the Mac closet.
And that's when I started calling myself an Apple fanboi - figured I save time.
Thanks for the bandwidth. Please mod me as battle-weary.
GPS is a gimmick unless you are : A) Plotting cruise missile strikes B)Lost in a forest being chased by bigfoot
C) Called unexpectedly to Boston, where streets have no signs and you don't have your Garmin or TomTom or whatever D) Have been avoiding a TomTom, Garvin, whatever waiting to see how things like OpenMoko or an iPhone might do, would give anything to carry one less piece of specialized tech, and have been to Boston and harbor dread at returning.....
One thing always missing from these debates is the fact that you shouldn't extrapolate to infinity from a few data points.
Before deciding on the merits or shortfalls of socialized medicine based on Canada or Cuba, how about noticing that the societies of these countries are far different than our own?
First, assess what socialism applies to us - iow, what social exchanges are acceptable Americans, ideally by demography, then assess what medical services might work within said context(s).
Or, we could have what the two aforementioned societies have, US style - something rammed up our keesters by politicians, fueled by psuedo-intectual films and Comedy Central helping to install buzz phrases to use as a substitute for thought.
Lobbying - it's not just for the rich. Here's a hint to those can afford it: every major election, send 10 bucks to each major candidate, regardless of side. Then when the time comes, you contact your congressperson and can identify yourself as a campaign contributor. Sorry if you don't like the sleeze of politics, but I can forego a few luxuries to help insist that voices are heard. Don't sit in front of an LCD monitor and say you can't afford the same - and if you're poor, as we have all been, then collect pennies at parties and bars, and lobby collectively.
The president is not a king, the Supreme Court appointees are not the end of the world - congress isn't doing its job for us on healthcare. So make yourselves heard where it counts.
Anyone who needed a film by Moore to face the shocking discovery that health care is a problem in the US needs more than antibiotics for what's troubling them.
This is the main reason while the Asian market will have to wait until the battery technology improves.
Maybe. Easy to understand economics may be another reason - "Asia" is a place to many Westerners, but it's not to people here - here, there is Korea, Singapore, mainland China, Taiwan.....
In Taiwan, the big story on phones in the last few days was the HTC Touch - and when I first saw it, I thought, iPhone competitor/knockoff....
Then I left my Western-centric thinking behind (not so easy, as I'm an Apple fanboi) and seriously considered the HTC Touch. Here's what I came to - aside from free software that most ITs won't grok, the HTC has (advertised) a simple-to-configure (target for) email push that the iPhome seems to lack, and so forth. In addition, the HTC directly benefits the island's income - something the iPhone ( which, as a fanboi, I've been on the waiting list for) seems to lack.
The usual standards apply in Taiwan - iow, my AT&t (nee Cingular) RAZR does fine here, whereas in Tokyo, no soap. So while I welcome G3 (JPN-capable), it's not fair to say that G3 or battery power in and of themselves may drive sales in Asia - the truth is a bit more complicated....
no, other than that maybe quibbling over units of measure accomplishes nothing, and that the real measure of the accomplishment is not diminished by a conversion factor. i didn't fully realize that there could be a real reaon for the complaint over the change from km to mi other than the guy having a bad day. what one system accompishes over another is meaningless for some of us that have worked space-based systems - conversion tends to be a rather automatic process when you think globally.
learn metric you backwards country
and perhaps i'll learn to be less subtle as well - thanks!
btw- thanks for the promotion to country; fortunately, it won't require me to buy larger asbestos underoos
ps - you misspelled Système International d'Unités (SI) base units as metric - are we all happy now?
A local newpaper in Taiwan is reporting that Xing Xu spent a year validating the claim before this public announcement, and did mention the fact that - as noted above - he had incorrectly validated a fossil and later was part of the team to discredit the finding, due to the fact the fossil in question was an amalgam of set in modern grout.
uh, maybe because a good many of us learned that 62 miles meant space, that Yuri Gagarin orbited above 180 miles, that Friendship 7 made a 120 miles, and that until we're talking parsecs, it's all just noise?
it's not widely known, and is highly discouraged, but directv still offers alacart, if you want to stay on the phone long enough and argue enough - it was offered this way originally, and if you cry shenanigans enough to one of the mgrs, you can have it. at about zero savings once you load in more than a few channels, as i understand it. but, if you want to engage in some principle on the matter, you can knock yourself out.
creating a bill that requires businesses to do what they already do - unprofitably - is in no way, shape or form a good thing(tm)
apologies if redundant, but this thread is making me crazy:
1. on my planet, alacart will have absofuckinglutely nothing to do with lower rates - don't know about others'....
2. as other posts as noted, fewer channels will lower diversity and increase homogenization
3. production costs will go down due to support for fewer channels while revenue model increases
4. name the broadcast or cable organization that won't lobby for this, while your rep to WashDC brags about passing this bill to save the children
To the tune of Mickey Mouse:
F-U-C, K-E-D, A-G-A-I-N
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(sorry, hit submit intending preview) But I'm even more concerned - how will Web 2.0 help me download free MP3s from my favorite sites...???
So, I spent the 20 minutes watching it and I'm impressed - by the lack of memory. My 4 GB iPod nano is full, my wife's 8 GB is nearly always so, and between us, we never have the songs we want on the road.
Now to add my contacts, photos, and even more stuff (that I could carry on my nano, but don't) - I'm not worried about Web 2.0 - I'm worried that "the best iPod ever" is a kinda a step backwards if I take back even more music....
Please don't even get me started about how desparately I'd like integrated GPS. I think it's an iPod and a neo1973 (or later) shaping up for yours truly.... (with nods to open music stds, etc, etc, etc -ok?)
I'm no troll
to which I can only offer an almost piece of humor from the early '90s - of course not, everyone knows that trolls live under tcp/ip bridges.
What - no caufeyboi? (Well - that's zeroes me out, I imagine.... cheers!)
It's worse than you think - dealing's a step up - here's the former judge in charge in Albuquerque - he was simply charged with possession.... those federal boys ain't whistling dixie. http://web.abqtrib.com/archives/news04/090204_news _hombren.shtml
Sorry, I answered your demand in the best way I knew how. I seriously don't feel it's my requirement to spoon feed you anyone's artwork and "let" you or anyone else judge anything. Try going out and looking for art. If you're frustrated that you find only recycled dribble, have the courage to ask for help in broadening your horizons among interesting people you meet face to face. If your RL doesn't afford that, try watching some decent things like POV on PBS until you get a lucky message that you can receive.
You're on a dead end path to depression and I feel bad for you. But no need to get repressive about it. The world is a colorful place (visually, sonically, tecturally and dangerously). Please try to look at this way - at each stage of the discourse you increase the constraints, so let's take the logical final leap - what is a pure element? Gold? Quarks? Shall we go deeper? Is there is no end to the argument on your side because in the end, reality itself is derivative? - By your definitions whether you meant to or not, you have essentially said this. And the reason that there's no end to the success of your argument is simply this - it is, by definition, rationalization and nothing more clever than that.
Please either tell me that you're getting this or that you're simply a music/art/broadway critic....... As Trudy the Bag Lady once said, reality is a collective hunch. Art is perhaps even more etherial than that - even if some (s.o.m.e.) is derivative.
Some people have created purely, exactly because they have lived in very painful isolation chambers all of their lives. Some of them have described the experience in much the way you might describe what you see looking out of your window or into a mirror. Others have created purely, exactly because of a joy of connectedness that they couldn't contain.
BTW - you misspelled Best Friend You've Had in Quite a While as "weasel."
I'd need more than luck to convince people that think like you.
If I name works that you've never heard of (more than likely), then what's the next thing you'll come to - that I'm making it all up? And how could you charge that? At least one piece I'd cite comes from my artist wife. You can't just sit back and arbitrarily decide that the whole world derives because you're sure that - without firsthand knowledge of the artist or their process - that they worked within the confines of the context you insist occurred because it matches your point of view. Yet sadly, your challenge seems prima facie to state that that's exactly where you're coming from.
The insistance that invention is by necessity an exercise in derivation is a form of cowardice - it gives a whole lot of people a comfy excuse for rationalizing why they needn't - or can't - generate new ideas, products, inventions - or - works of art from exactly what you can't accept: whole cloth of the creator's imagination and skills.
It's the thesis of the book cited. I'm not flaming, and doubtless many may think I am, but the facts speak for themselves - and the sad fact is this: to a closed mind, nothing is possible. It has always been thus.
Nothing completely new is ever created nowadays, every phrase, every sketch, every melody all use what has come before in varying degrees.
Sorry, but no way am I buying this. This statement rears its ugly head in more fields than just entertainment. Please read Ancient Engineers by L. Sprague De Camp, maybe get inspired and invent something.
One of my employers introduced email to staff with a written policy including the following statement: Your email should be considered as a resource equivalent to your telephone. We allow personal calls, within reason, during working hours; so, like the telephone, we allow personal emails, within reason. Just as personal conversations may be overheard by coworkers, so it may be with email, due to system administration and so forth. Therefore, keep the contents of your personal email at the same level as that you would have in a telephone conversation with a coworker standing nearby. I for one found it enlightening and have encouraged this viewpoint ever since.
As to metaphors of email, I subscribe to the one posted earlier that it should be treated as a phone call would be for wiretap purposes. Essentially the same carrier medium, with the same broad capabilities. That one is half-duplex is about all I can see of difference between the two. Both require specialized machinery in order to convert the electronic signal back into a human-understandable form; both can be intercepted and understood with the right technical ledgergermain.
I wonder if any of this shearing would have occurred if the progenitors had named it text-talk, text-phone or some such instead of electronic mail.
You mean.... ?
I don't know about your case in particular, but people that seem to defend Apple and "clarify a misleading story" on Slashdot do seem to be overly sensitive to these issues.
Just a precautionary note, as I may be perceived in this way at some point - or may become guilty of it without realizing it...
When I pushed for Apple II+s to allow us to have something worthwhile on our desks, I was an idiot to believe that toys could do engineering computations. When I pushed for an affordable VAX to free us from the Cyber66, I was a dreamer who must not realize that it took big iron to run a real compiler. When I pushed for PCs for management to offload work from engineering programmers doing the "occasional" business programming, I had no concept of cost control. When I pushed for MS-DOS clones for the engineering programmers to do offline editing, I had no idea how important buying real computers from a real company, IBM, was. When I downloaded my first GNU app replacement (gtar????), I had no idea how much work professional programmers had put into real UNIX apps. When I spent a few weeks with buddies downloading the first Linux distribution onto floppy disks at 1200 baud, I needed to get a life and realize that MS-DOS would do everything you wanted, more if you had the common sense to use Windows 3.something. When I tried to demonstrate that the OS/2 Warp I was using had everything that to-be-Win95 users wanted - multitasking, a Mozilla alternative, ability to run Windows 3.1 programs and networking, I was some idiot who didn't get that you had to go with the winner that kicked IBM's butt in the first place. When I turned to FreeBSD because it was stable, I was an evolutionary throwback who didn't understand how UNIX was dying. When I explained to management that six months prior to their reading about Linux in the Wall Street Journal, I had already installed it for file-serving the HP-UX subnet and the PC subnets I had created where previously there was no networking in the company, I was out of my mind for not thinking about the implications of how something foreign might impact our new network (just before bonusing themselves for having the insight to hire a networking go-getter). When I put us on the outer world with a OpenBSD firewall, I was a dinosaur who evidently didn't get that Linux is the only real *nix to buy anymore and a moron for not even considering what a bad idea it was to put something with Open in the name on our new firewall thingy.
And when I adopted OS/X, I was what everyone knew I was all along - a guy who didn't really understand computers and didn't realize that I could no longer be trusted to have anything to say about them because I was too stoopid to realize what it meant when I came out of the Mac closet.
And that's when I started calling myself an Apple fanboi - figured I save time.
Thanks for the bandwidth. Please mod me as battle-weary.
GPS is a gimmick unless you are :
A) Plotting cruise missile strikes
B)Lost in a forest being chased by bigfoot
C) Called unexpectedly to Boston, where streets have no signs and you don't have your Garmin or TomTom or whatever
D) Have been avoiding a TomTom, Garvin, whatever waiting to see how things like OpenMoko or an iPhone might do, would give anything to carry one less piece of specialized tech, and have been to Boston and harbor dread at returning.....
One thing always missing from these debates is the fact that you shouldn't extrapolate to infinity from a few data points.
Before deciding on the merits or shortfalls of socialized medicine based on Canada or Cuba, how about noticing that the societies of these countries are far different than our own?
First, assess what socialism applies to us - iow, what social exchanges are acceptable Americans, ideally by demography, then assess what medical services might work within said context(s).
Or, we could have what the two aforementioned societies have, US style - something rammed up our keesters by politicians, fueled by psuedo-intectual films and Comedy Central helping to install buzz phrases to use as a substitute for thought.
Lobbying - it's not just for the rich. Here's a hint to those can afford it: every major election, send 10 bucks to each major candidate, regardless of side. Then when the time comes, you contact your congressperson and can identify yourself as a campaign contributor. Sorry if you don't like the sleeze of politics, but I can forego a few luxuries to help insist that voices are heard. Don't sit in front of an LCD monitor and say you can't afford the same - and if you're poor, as we have all been, then collect pennies at parties and bars, and lobby collectively.
The president is not a king, the Supreme Court appointees are not the end of the world - congress isn't doing its job for us on healthcare. So make yourselves heard where it counts.
Anyone who needed a film by Moore to face the shocking discovery that health care is a problem in the US needs more than antibiotics for what's troubling them.
This is the main reason while the Asian market will have to wait until the battery technology improves.
.....
Maybe. Easy to understand economics may be another reason - "Asia" is a place to many Westerners, but it's not to people here - here, there is Korea, Singapore, mainland China, Taiwan
In Taiwan, the big story on phones in the last few days was the HTC Touch - and when I first saw it, I thought, iPhone competitor/knockoff....
Then I left my Western-centric thinking behind (not so easy, as I'm an Apple fanboi) and seriously considered the HTC Touch. Here's what I came to - aside from free software that most ITs won't grok, the HTC has (advertised) a simple-to-configure (target for) email push that the iPhome seems to lack, and so forth. In addition, the HTC directly benefits the island's income - something the iPhone ( which, as a fanboi, I've been on the waiting list for) seems to lack.
The usual standards apply in Taiwan - iow, my AT&t (nee Cingular) RAZR does fine here, whereas in Tokyo, no soap. So while I welcome G3 (JPN-capable), it's not fair to say that G3 or battery power in and of themselves may drive sales in Asia - the truth is a bit more complicated....
do you have a fucking point?
no, other than that maybe quibbling over units of measure accomplishes nothing, and that the real measure of the accomplishment is not diminished by a conversion factor. i didn't fully realize that there could be a real reaon for the complaint over the change from km to mi other than the guy having a bad day. what one system accompishes over another is meaningless for some of us that have worked space-based systems - conversion tends to be a rather automatic process when you think globally.
learn metric you backwards country
and perhaps i'll learn to be less subtle as well - thanks!
btw- thanks for the promotion to country; fortunately, it won't require me to buy larger asbestos underoos
ps - you misspelled Système International d'Unités (SI) base units as metric - are we all happy now?
A local newpaper in Taiwan is reporting that Xing Xu spent a year validating the claim before this public announcement, and did mention the fact that - as noted above - he had incorrectly validated a fossil and later was part of the team to discredit the finding, due to the fact the fossil in question was an amalgam of set in modern grout.
hth
uh, maybe because a good many of us learned that 62 miles meant space, that Yuri Gagarin orbited above 180 miles, that Friendship 7 made a 120 miles, and that until we're talking parsecs, it's all just noise?
ymmv
it's not widely known, and is highly discouraged, but directv still offers alacart, if you want to stay on the phone long enough and argue enough - it was offered this way originally, and if you cry shenanigans enough to one of the mgrs, you can have it. at about zero savings once you load in more than a few channels, as i understand it. but, if you want to engage in some principle on the matter, you can knock yourself out.
creating a bill that requires businesses to do what they already do - unprofitably - is in no way, shape or form a good thing(tm)
apologies if redundant, but this thread is making me crazy: 1. on my planet, alacart will have absofuckinglutely nothing to do with lower rates - don't know about others'.... 2. as other posts as noted, fewer channels will lower diversity and increase homogenization 3. production costs will go down due to support for fewer channels while revenue model increases 4. name the broadcast or cable organization that won't lobby for this, while your rep to WashDC brags about passing this bill to save the children To the tune of Mickey Mouse: F-U-C, K-E-D, A-G-A-I-N