Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): kidded; kidding
Etymology: probably from 1kid
Date: 1902
transitive senses
1 : to deceive as a joke wouldn't kid you>
2 : to make fun of
intransitive senses : to engage in good-humored fooling or horseplay -- often used with around
- kidder noun
- kiddingly/'ki-di[ng]-lE/ adverb
And yes, I am only a few steps to the right of Atilla the Hun, but at least I revel in the fact that the Right are decidedly not that, and accept that hypocrisy is a fact, not an insult. Left wing individuals begin foaming at the mouth the moment you question any of their ethics.
I'd expected some bunch of tofu munching tree huggers would mine the hell out of it.
Never stopped giving me a good wheeze. "Oh, save the whales! Beach the turtles! Oh, look! A sale on geodes and crystal pendants! I'll drive my Jeep Grand Cherokee that gets 10mpg the 100 miles to buy some!" Meanwhile there are thousands of slobs digging up huge portions of natural wilderness so they can sell these rocks for ten bucks a pop.
I'm in the wrong line of work...
At least these are being kept safe (for now). Those pictures looked very cool.
She did, quoting a classmate as saying: "We want to kill people; we're sick of them." (If I or anyone reading this called the police everytime we came across that comment online, a lot of teenage boys would be in jail.) She said the boy later threatened her for reporting his remarks.
Now... let me ask you, what would you do? I don't know about anyone else and what their experiences were like, but I grew up in the Roxbury and Jamaica Plain areas of Boston. If a kid told me back in grade school that he/she was going to kill me, considering some of the hardware that I know was carried around, I'd take that really frikkin' seriously. In the 4 years I was in High School in Boston, there were 8 kids killed by other kids, one teacher threatened with a gun in class and another hospitalized after taking a nunchuku hit to the head. And that was just in my high school, I'm not talking about over all the schools.
"A pupil who cooperates as part of their responsibility as a student on a campus . . . should be immune from this type of lawsuit," Cook said. "A lawsuit of this type should not even be allowed to proceed."
See, this is just as big a problem as student violence. What about the times when it IS true, and when it ISN'T? If this kid DID make threats to her, you're damn right the school should pay for her legal fee's if the bastard sued her for turning him in. But if it's found that the kid wasn't a nutter, and he's exonerated, then that chick should be sued and sued hard for ruining his life. And the fact is, it isn't if he is "guilty" and she is innocent, it is who has the best lawyers and the most money.
Nevertheless, the suit did proceed for 11 months, and the girl should not be responsible for the costs of her defense during that time, Schutz [sic] asserts.
Not if the allegations were proven to be true and the boy convicted. But anyone who falsely accuses another and causes that person to be humiliated, degraded and abuse deserves what they get.
Civil libertarians did sound repeated alarms, but they were ignored.
That's because most, like Katz, tend to end up sounding barking mad. It's one thing to express free speech, but I'll bet my ass that if someone walked over to Katz and said "Hi John, I'm going to FUCKING KILL YOU!" he'd a) learn quickly a new use for shirt tails and b) call the cops likety split! And how is it wrong if a student does the same?
I see Katz's point about students ratting each other out and falsely accusing each other. But from reading this story I'd say he chose a poor example.
...I can imagine Richard Simmons taking full advantage of this.
"Oh! Oh! Oh Mr. Guaaaaaard sir!! My sperm is enryyyypted! If you'll give me a cavety search I'll give you a saaaaaaample!"
But when you think about it, this sort of thing would make sense. If you based your encryption on some random individual's or animals or even plants DNA sequence, wouldn't that be much more complex than even the most hard core encoding we can use now? Of course, I have a hard time with anything more complex than pig Latin.
There is decidedly a double standard. Look at "StarBucked.com" for a prime example of how if you have the money and the resources you can do what you want. This ranting loonie decided he had a beef with StarBucks over a crappy espresso machine, and has been on the warpath for years. But he had $$$ and a law degree, so he gets away with it even if he is barking mad (I say this after hearing him on the radio AND talking to him on the phone).
If you are just an average Joe/Jane, you have no rights, and WIPO could care less about you. Hell, I couldn't register my name (errr...not Luxury Yacht:) because there was a winery with my sirname based out of CA.
I'm a sys admin for a small company with two sides, one non and one for profit and with about 50 total employees in the US. I make US$50k per year, or about $25 an hour. Each day, I spend about two hours or possibly more weeding through the spam that gets sent to us from a variety of email addresses and I put filters on our mail server to then block those email addresses and in some cases the server. Then I might also send out warning emails to the admin of those servers and even an email to the fine folks at the RBL if the spammer is a repeat offender. If I'm lucky (like yesterday), I track the spammer down to the source, call the ISP, have a nice chat with their admin and find out this is the 3rd time this month the bitch has been tracked down, and presto change-o that spammer is now looking for a new ISP and T1 provider.
So, for the sake of easy math, about two hours out of my day, 5 or 6 days a week but we'll call it 5 since I'm on salary. So with 52 weeks a year, it costs my employer about US$13000 anually for MY time alone which the spammers have in effect stolen from my employer.
That doesn't count the time of the other people in office and out who get spam and have to delete it, the time I'm sure which is wasted by the foolish ones who actually read the f*cking things (lets face it... what salesman WOULDN'T read the one about how to enlarge their weiner in 30 days?).
There are, of course, some days when there is much less spam, some when there might be more since we have to list our email addresses at a variety of locations and it is unavoidable that our "info@" address will be used.
So if you think about the number of poor slobs in my situation, in the Boston area where I am, there are probably thousands. And if even half of them spend time trying to take a bite out of spam, that would add up to millions of dollars pissed through just to keep some moron from sending out this crap. And if you think about the amount of time we have to spend looking up security patches for sendmail, Exchange, etc., to keep some of the more technical of spammers from using our servers to send their junk, it would add up to even more. And for what? I can not imagine that spammers actually make enough from this to have it be worth their while! But they have to, because why else would these jackasses keep doing it?
*sigh* ah well... it gives me something to do on days I don't have users to LART.
"The British guy from Junkyard Wars has been replaced by some bloody idiot from the States! DANGIT..."
I've only seen it once, but that guy you are talking about is ( I think ) Robert Llewellen, also known as Kryten the Android from Red Dwarf. A bril-smegging-iliantly funny guy, and a high-sterically funny show:-)
...doesn't this make sense? I mean, if they're far in advance of us, or even about par, who is to say that they did use or still use radio waves?
We came up with radio for the transmission of sound (at least, if I am wrong about that, don't kill me:) ), and how do we know that every life form would use SOUND as communication?
Also, I hate to say it, but I mean, look at our planet and our people. If YOU were out looking to meet someone, and the first person you ran into was a raving loonie, attacking various parts of his/her own body/pod/gelatinous mass and still mired in the belief in some mystical deities... wouldn't you KEEP looking? Personally, I'd be willing to bet that aliens are out there looking at us like we are the little "challenged" kid down the block, and they are coming up with secret code to keep us from finding them out. And sooner or later they'll be like "Oh shit... they saw us... pretend you didn't notice and run back into your backyard, man... I don't want to hang out with MANKIND. They'll break all our toys."
...is it true that Microsoft is crying foul over AOL's not opening their AIM up to MS-Messenger? As in not allowing MS Messenger users not being able to talk to users on AIM?
I remember hearing on the radio a news report that they were actually going to court for (get this) AOL stifling competition in this market. I've been all over CNN.com looking for the story, but can't find it. Anyone else hear about this, and if you have do you happen to have a link? I could use a good laugh:-)
"Who has an attitude here ?"
You ya snooty faced git (all insults and commentary said with tongue placed firmly in cheek). I never said I was brilliant or well educated, simply that I love to tinker and that's why I prefer Linux. Never said I was a geek, either. I'm more "Walt the Janitor" of the technology world.
"Moron,"!?
I resemble that comment!
"I merely pointed how ridiculous it was to diss OS-X lack of freedom, while OS-X will offer as much freedom in the choice of shells as any decent unix-derived system."
Hmm... I am the one who needs to learn to read? As I recall, and when I read the first line of the second paragraph of what I wrote, it reads "Please forgive me if I am wrong, but isn't Apple not going to allow you to use whatever configuration of GUI or shell that you want? "
Meaning, for those slow learners *ahem* that if I am wrong I do beg pardon, but Apple has not generally allowed it's users total control over the OS. Granted, neither has MS, but with Win* I can at least replace the Explorer interface if I want. Yes, the replacements tend to be buggy at best, but it can be done. Yes, ResEdit is a hell of a lot of fun, and you can do lots of spiffy things with it, but not nearly to the extent of Linux, which was why I "jumped ship". OS X may prove more customizable, but then again if Apple contiues the way it has in the past, it may not.
What can I say? I'm shallow and easilly wooed by shiny objects, cool looking wharf bars, and kernel tinkering.
"while OS-X will offer as much freedom in the choice of shells as any decent unix-derived system."
But will they? That was one of my (read that part: my) reasons for prefering Linux over OS X. And I agree that I am making an assumption that Apple will limit what you can do to the system, but that assumption is based on past operating systems and habbits. I'm not and didn't diss OS X, but the subject of the article was "Will OS X replace Linux". I simply (and it would seem poorly) expressed one reason why I wouldn't switch.
Oh... and your mother was a hampster, and your father smelled of elderberries:-)
See.. that is the attitude that kept me from learning anything about *nix for so long. "You don't think/do things/look/have the right white collar education/whatever the way I do. You don't deserve to learn!"
Hey, I like to tinker. Besides, I don't mean ship with it, I mean at least have that as an option to add, which from what I have read so far the command line will be on OS X, but very little mention was made regarding which shell would be used. All I'm saying is I want more options to add later if I want to, and that thus far OS X would not get me to choose IT over Linux, and listed a few reasons why. If You, in Your Vast Superiority, do not need nor want that as a choice... more power to you.
Pfff right back at you, man, and a few fun finger gestures in your general direction.
snip"and work predictably, have consistant interfaces and procedures?"
See, that's just it. Why does it all have to "look" exactly the same? Work the same way, sure, be as reliable certainly.
snip"I think its name starts with an L or something..."
Well that's the point of the article. Someone asking if OS X might be a threat to linux. My contention is no, it isn't, and I was giving my own personal reasons why I wouldn't give up my Mandrake, Slack, etc. for OS X, spiffy as it is.
I use bash most of the time, but *shrug* I'm a compulsive tinkerer. Sometimes I use zch just for heck of it. It's not so much that I prefer one over the other, it's that I can. Like those guys who abused all those candy bunnies. I mean, why? Because they can. Because we can. Why do I care about being able to change shells and interfaces? Because I can. *shrug* I know, I know, kind of a lame reason to some people but for me it's a biggie.
So, you _are_ getting more options on shell in OS X, then, and GUI? I had only seen zch as an option and didn't know there would be more, and everything I've seen so far suggested that the interface was only going to be the (more or less) what Apple gives you.
See... here is another thing about Apple (not knocking them, just making a suggestion) which can be a strike: they don't know how to market to the right audience.
If they are really into OS X being a hit, advertise stuff like that. Show people using zch or bash or anything else. If you can alter the gui drastically, show it, toot your horn, say "Yeah, you propeller headed git, you can do it all!"
anhoo...
I "grew up" on Macs, and until 5 years ago had never so much as touched the command line. Now I fully rely on Linux for just about everything, though I do still have Macs and WinPC's around the house and office. And of course, I've had at OS X. And... well... it's nice. But I have to say that the things I have (and I'm sure many others have) grown to really like and love about linux just are never going to be there on the Mac.
For example, I like being able to change just about everything about my OS. I like to spend hours just fscking around (every pun intended) with my GUI and my OS, just to see what will happen. Yes, I have ended up spending a hell of a lot of time re-installing or restoring from backup, but that is what "beater" computers are for. And besides, I've found that to be the best way to learn considering the open hostility and serious condescension I've received when asking questions in online forums.
Please forgive me if I am wrong, but isn't Apple not going to allow you to use whatever configuration of GUI or shell that you want? As I recall that was subject of some conversation and even a story here at Slashdot, and it would strike me as something very UN-Steve Jobs to allow the end user to make drastic changes to his OS. I mean, he is (or at least was) rabidly against allowing anyone to do too much tinkering with his OS and computers in the past.
Anyway, much as I did think OS X was a might peerrrrrrrty, and had lots of fun animations in the way things worked and was zippy etc., and much as I do still really like Apple hardware, OS X isn't going to get me to just chuck out my Linux library.
In announcing the findings here today at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society, Dr. Marcy confessed that in particular the system with the unusually enormous planet - the one with 17 times the mass of Jupiter, largest companion of the Sun - called into question the very meaning of the term "planet." Another team member, Dr. R. Paul Butler of the Carnegie Institution of Washington, said: "This massive planetary object defies our expectations for the largest planets. But it's right there next to another planet. We never expected nature would make such gargantuan planets, and indeed maybe they aren't planets at all."
Upon closer examination, Dr. Marcy found that this planet was, in fact, Marlin Brando.
"We had known he was growing in mass and size to truely impressive dimentions, but no one had realized just how tremendous he had become."
Until recently, Mr. Brando's publicist had been dodging reporters questions as to the corpulent thespians whereabouts, and said that the actor was simply "taking an extended rest at an undisclosed location".
After the revelation that Mr. Brando was actually in orbit around a star system some 15 light years away, very few people were actually surprised.
This is a state where:
There is a state law prohibiting "corrupt practices of bribery by any person other than candidates."
If one is not married, it is illegal for him to have sexual relations.
You may not have oral or anal sex.
Citizens must honk their horn while passing other cars.
Children are not to go trick-or-treating on Halloween.
It is illegal to tickle women.
Now, granted that there are some whoppers here in my home state of Massachusetts, but... I mean, take a persons ability to get their ya-ya's off at work? Hell, I could give up my 3 Guinness lunch, but give up my one-wank-coffee break?!?!
AH HA! Where you can practice whatever religion you choose without oppression or having someone else's prayers and beliefs shoved down your... errr... where you can worship... umm... prosecution... crud.
OOH! Where you can not worry about the government invading your privacy in... oh. Right. FBI and Carnivore
But guess who will be president when this bill will probably come across the desk looking for a signature? You guessed it...someone who probably doesn't understand much about encryption anyways.
Let's face it... G.W. Bush would have a difficult enough time figuring out velcro.
*sigh*
Glad I voted for a different bush...
Slashdot Mirror
...it's a bypass. Bypasses have GOT to be built.
... Birkenstocks in a twist. I was KIDDING.
/'ki-di[ng]-lE/ adverb
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): kidded; kidding
Etymology: probably from 1kid
Date: 1902
transitive senses
1 : to deceive as a joke wouldn't kid you> 2 : to make fun of
intransitive senses : to engage in good-humored
fooling or horseplay -- often used with around
- kidder noun
- kiddingly
And yes, I am only a few steps to the right of Atilla the Hun, but at least I revel in the fact that the Right are decidedly not that, and accept that hypocrisy is a fact, not an insult. Left wing individuals begin foaming at the mouth the moment you question any of their ethics.
I'd expected some bunch of tofu munching tree huggers would mine the hell out of it.
Never stopped giving me a good wheeze. "Oh, save the whales! Beach the turtles! Oh, look! A sale on geodes and crystal pendants! I'll drive my Jeep Grand Cherokee that gets 10mpg the 100 miles to buy some!" Meanwhile there are thousands of slobs digging up huge portions of natural wilderness so they can sell these rocks for ten bucks a pop.
I'm in the wrong line of work...
At least these are being kept safe (for now). Those pictures looked very cool.
I ... errr... I *looking down at gut hanging over belt and pile of empty cans of Mountain Dew, bottles of Bawls, and desicated Twinkies...*
I resemble that comment...
It's a dilly of a pickle of a iddly of a problem.
She did, quoting a classmate as saying: "We want to kill people; we're sick of them." (If I or anyone reading this called the police everytime we came across that comment online, a lot of teenage boys would be in jail.) She said the boy later threatened her for reporting his remarks.
Now... let me ask you, what would you do? I don't know about anyone else and what their experiences were like, but I grew up in the Roxbury and Jamaica Plain areas of Boston. If a kid told me back in grade school that he/she was going to kill me, considering some of the hardware that I know was carried around, I'd take that really frikkin' seriously. In the 4 years I was in High School in Boston, there were 8 kids killed by other kids, one teacher threatened with a gun in class and another hospitalized after taking a nunchuku hit to the head. And that was just in my high school, I'm not talking about over all the schools.
"A pupil who cooperates as part of their responsibility as a student on a campus . . . should be immune from this type of lawsuit," Cook said. "A lawsuit of this type should not even be allowed to proceed."
See, this is just as big a problem as student violence. What about the times when it IS true, and when it ISN'T? If this kid DID make threats to her, you're damn right the school should pay for her legal fee's if the bastard sued her for turning him in. But if it's found that the kid wasn't a nutter, and he's exonerated, then that chick should be sued and sued hard for ruining his life. And the fact is, it isn't if he is "guilty" and she is innocent, it is who has the best lawyers and the most money.
Nevertheless, the suit did proceed for 11 months, and the girl should not be responsible for the costs of her defense during that time, Schutz [sic] asserts.
Not if the allegations were proven to be true and the boy convicted. But anyone who falsely accuses another and causes that person to be humiliated, degraded and abuse deserves what they get.
Civil libertarians did sound repeated alarms, but they were ignored.
That's because most, like Katz, tend to end up sounding barking mad. It's one thing to express free speech, but I'll bet my ass that if someone walked over to Katz and said "Hi John, I'm going to FUCKING KILL YOU!" he'd a) learn quickly a new use for shirt tails and b) call the cops likety split! And how is it wrong if a student does the same?
I see Katz's point about students ratting each other out and falsely accusing each other. But from reading this story I'd say he chose a poor example.
...I can imagine Richard Simmons taking full advantage of this.
"Oh! Oh! Oh Mr. Guaaaaaard sir!! My sperm is enryyyypted! If you'll give me a cavety search I'll give you a saaaaaaample!"
But when you think about it, this sort of thing would make sense. If you based your encryption on some random individual's or animals or even plants DNA sequence, wouldn't that be much more complex than even the most hard core encoding we can use now? Of course, I have a hard time with anything more complex than pig Latin.
There is decidedly a double standard. Look at "StarBucked.com" for a prime example of how if you have the money and the resources you can do what you want. This ranting loonie decided he had a beef with StarBucks over a crappy espresso machine, and has been on the warpath for years. But he had $$$ and a law degree, so he gets away with it even if he is barking mad (I say this after hearing him on the radio AND talking to him on the phone).
:) because there was a winery with my sirname based out of CA.
If you are just an average Joe/Jane, you have no rights, and WIPO could care less about you. Hell, I couldn't register my name (errr...not Luxury Yacht
I'm a sys admin for a small company with two sides, one non and one for profit and with about 50 total employees in the US. I make US$50k per year, or about $25 an hour. Each day, I spend about two hours or possibly more weeding through the spam that gets sent to us from a variety of email addresses and I put filters on our mail server to then block those email addresses and in some cases the server. Then I might also send out warning emails to the admin of those servers and even an email to the fine folks at the RBL if the spammer is a repeat offender. If I'm lucky (like yesterday), I track the spammer down to the source, call the ISP, have a nice chat with their admin and find out this is the 3rd time this month the bitch has been tracked down, and presto change-o that spammer is now looking for a new ISP and T1 provider.
So, for the sake of easy math, about two hours out of my day, 5 or 6 days a week but we'll call it 5 since I'm on salary. So with 52 weeks a year, it costs my employer about US$13000 anually for MY time alone which the spammers have in effect stolen from my employer.
That doesn't count the time of the other people in office and out who get spam and have to delete it, the time I'm sure which is wasted by the foolish ones who actually read the f*cking things (lets face it... what salesman WOULDN'T read the one about how to enlarge their weiner in 30 days?).
There are, of course, some days when there is much less spam, some when there might be more since we have to list our email addresses at a variety of locations and it is unavoidable that our "info@" address will be used.
So if you think about the number of poor slobs in my situation, in the Boston area where I am, there are probably thousands. And if even half of them spend time trying to take a bite out of spam, that would add up to millions of dollars pissed through just to keep some moron from sending out this crap. And if you think about the amount of time we have to spend looking up security patches for sendmail, Exchange, etc., to keep some of the more technical of spammers from using our servers to send their junk, it would add up to even more. And for what? I can not imagine that spammers actually make enough from this to have it be worth their while! But they have to, because why else would these jackasses keep doing it?
*sigh* ah well... it gives me something to do on days I don't have users to LART.
"The British guy from Junkyard Wars has been replaced by some bloody idiot from the States! DANGIT..."
:-)
I've only seen it once, but that guy you are talking about is ( I think ) Robert Llewellen, also known as Kryten the Android from Red Dwarf. A bril-smegging-iliantly funny guy, and a high-sterically funny show
...doesn't this make sense? I mean, if they're far in advance of us, or even about par, who is to say that they did use or still use radio waves?
:) ), and how do we know that every life form would use SOUND as communication?
We came up with radio for the transmission of sound (at least, if I am wrong about that, don't kill me
Also, I hate to say it, but I mean, look at our planet and our people. If YOU were out looking to meet someone, and the first person you ran into was a raving loonie, attacking various parts of his/her own body/pod/gelatinous mass and still mired in the belief in some mystical deities... wouldn't you KEEP looking? Personally, I'd be willing to bet that aliens are out there looking at us like we are the little "challenged" kid down the block, and they are coming up with secret code to keep us from finding them out. And sooner or later they'll be like "Oh shit... they saw us... pretend you didn't notice and run back into your backyard, man... I don't want to hang out with MANKIND. They'll break all our toys."
...is it true that Microsoft is crying foul over AOL's not opening their AIM up to MS-Messenger? As in not allowing MS Messenger users not being able to talk to users on AIM?
:-)
I remember hearing on the radio a news report that they were actually going to court for (get this) AOL stifling competition in this market. I've been all over CNN.com looking for the story, but can't find it. Anyone else hear about this, and if you have do you happen to have a link? I could use a good laugh
"Who has an attitude here ?"
:-)
You ya snooty faced git (all insults and commentary said with tongue placed firmly in cheek). I never said I was brilliant or well educated, simply that I love to tinker and that's why I prefer Linux. Never said I was a geek, either. I'm more "Walt the Janitor" of the technology world.
"Moron,"!? I resemble that comment!
"I merely pointed how ridiculous it was to diss OS-X lack of freedom, while OS-X will offer as much freedom in the choice of shells as any decent unix-derived system."
Hmm... I am the one who needs to learn to read? As I recall, and when I read the first line of the second paragraph of what I wrote, it reads "Please forgive me if I am wrong, but isn't Apple not going to allow you to use whatever configuration of GUI or shell that you want? " Meaning, for those slow learners *ahem* that if I am wrong I do beg pardon, but Apple has not generally allowed it's users total control over the OS. Granted, neither has MS, but with Win* I can at least replace the Explorer interface if I want. Yes, the replacements tend to be buggy at best, but it can be done. Yes, ResEdit is a hell of a lot of fun, and you can do lots of spiffy things with it, but not nearly to the extent of Linux, which was why I "jumped ship". OS X may prove more customizable, but then again if Apple contiues the way it has in the past, it may not.
What can I say? I'm shallow and easilly wooed by shiny objects, cool looking wharf bars, and kernel tinkering.
"while OS-X will offer as much freedom in the choice of shells as any decent unix-derived system."
But will they? That was one of my (read that part: my) reasons for prefering Linux over OS X. And I agree that I am making an assumption that Apple will limit what you can do to the system, but that assumption is based on past operating systems and habbits. I'm not and didn't diss OS X, but the subject of the article was "Will OS X replace Linux". I simply (and it would seem poorly) expressed one reason why I wouldn't switch.
Oh... and your mother was a hampster, and your father smelled of elderberries
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahaaa!!
See.. that is the attitude that kept me from learning anything about *nix for so long. "You don't think/do things/look/have the right white collar education/whatever the way I do. You don't deserve to learn!" Hey, I like to tinker. Besides, I don't mean ship with it, I mean at least have that as an option to add, which from what I have read so far the command line will be on OS X, but very little mention was made regarding which shell would be used. All I'm saying is I want more options to add later if I want to, and that thus far OS X would not get me to choose IT over Linux, and listed a few reasons why. If You, in Your Vast Superiority, do not need nor want that as a choice... more power to you.
Pfff right back at you, man, and a few fun finger gestures in your general direction.
Leroy?
:-)
Lard?
Looniebin?
snip "and work predictably, have consistant interfaces and procedures?"
See, that's just it. Why does it all have to "look" exactly the same? Work the same way, sure, be as reliable certainly.
snip "I think its name starts with an L or something..."
Well that's the point of the article. Someone asking if OS X might be a threat to linux. My contention is no, it isn't, and I was giving my own personal reasons why I wouldn't give up my Mandrake, Slack, etc. for OS X, spiffy as it is.
Just putting in my own worthless 2 cents.
Well.. yes, I mean shell :-)
I use bash most of the time, but *shrug* I'm a compulsive tinkerer. Sometimes I use zch just for heck of it. It's not so much that I prefer one over the other, it's that I can. Like those guys who abused all those candy bunnies. I mean, why? Because they can. Because we can. Why do I care about being able to change shells and interfaces? Because I can. *shrug* I know, I know, kind of a lame reason to some people but for me it's a biggie.
So, you _are_ getting more options on shell in OS X, then, and GUI? I had only seen zch as an option and didn't know there would be more, and everything I've seen so far suggested that the interface was only going to be the (more or less) what Apple gives you.
See... here is another thing about Apple (not knocking them, just making a suggestion) which can be a strike: they don't know how to market to the right audience.
If they are really into OS X being a hit, advertise stuff like that. Show people using zch or bash or anything else. If you can alter the gui drastically, show it, toot your horn, say "Yeah, you propeller headed git, you can do it all!"
anhoo...
I "grew up" on Macs, and until 5 years ago had never so much as touched the command line. Now I fully rely on Linux for just about everything, though I do still have Macs and WinPC's around the house and office. And of course, I've had at OS X. And... well... it's nice. But I have to say that the things I have (and I'm sure many others have) grown to really like and love about linux just are never going to be there on the Mac.
For example, I like being able to change just about everything about my OS. I like to spend hours just fscking around (every pun intended) with my GUI and my OS, just to see what will happen. Yes, I have ended up spending a hell of a lot of time re-installing or restoring from backup, but that is what "beater" computers are for. And besides, I've found that to be the best way to learn considering the open hostility and serious condescension I've received when asking questions in online forums.
Please forgive me if I am wrong, but isn't Apple not going to allow you to use whatever configuration of GUI or shell that you want? As I recall that was subject of some conversation and even a story here at Slashdot, and it would strike me as something very UN-Steve Jobs to allow the end user to make drastic changes to his OS. I mean, he is (or at least was) rabidly against allowing anyone to do too much tinkering with his OS and computers in the past.
Anyway, much as I did think OS X was a might peerrrrrrrty, and had lots of fun animations in the way things worked and was zippy etc., and much as I do still really like Apple hardware, OS X isn't going to get me to just chuck out my Linux library.
... I would be more inclinded to ask:
1) does he have more of what it is he is taking?
2) would $5 be enough for one hit?
In announcing the findings here today at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society, Dr. Marcy confessed that in particular the system with the unusually enormous planet - the one with 17 times the mass of Jupiter, largest companion of the Sun - called into question the very meaning of the term "planet." Another team member, Dr. R. Paul Butler of the Carnegie Institution of Washington, said: "This massive planetary object defies our expectations for the largest planets. But it's right there next to another planet. We never expected nature would make such gargantuan planets, and indeed maybe they aren't planets at all."
Upon closer examination, Dr. Marcy found that this planet was, in fact, Marlin Brando. "We had known he was growing in mass and size to truely impressive dimentions, but no one had realized just how tremendous he had become."
Until recently, Mr. Brando's publicist had been dodging reporters questions as to the corpulent thespians whereabouts, and said that the actor was simply "taking an extended rest at an undisclosed location".
After the revelation that Mr. Brando was actually in orbit around a star system some 15 light years away, very few people were actually surprised.
This is a state where:
... I mean, take a persons ability to get their ya-ya's off at work? Hell, I could give up my 3 Guinness lunch, but give up my one-wank-coffee break?!?!
There is a state law prohibiting "corrupt practices of bribery by any person other than candidates."
If one is not married, it is illegal for him to have sexual relations.
You may not have oral or anal sex.
Citizens must honk their horn while passing other cars.
Children are not to go trick-or-treating on Halloween.
It is illegal to tickle women.
Now, granted that there are some whoppers here in my home state of Massachusetts, but
Yes indeedy. It was a blatant plug for our good friend Listy and the show Red Dwarf.
... and we STILL can't create a toupee that doesn't get big laughs.
That's all it is.
*sniff*
I'm probably the only geek I have ever known who can't juggle... *sob*
... always puttin' things on top of other things. I tell's ya...
... name someplace better?!
... errr... where you can worship... umm... prosecution... crud.
Someplace where you CAN express your opinion without getting into trouble or getting sued! Like the good old US of A!!
Hmmm... OK hold on, that isn't the best example.
AH HA! Where you can practice whatever religion you choose without oppression or having someone else's prayers and beliefs shoved down your
OOH! Where you can not worry about the government invading your privacy in... oh. Right. FBI and Carnivore
*ahem*
Nevermind.
But guess who will be president when this bill will probably come across the desk looking for a signature? You guessed it...someone who probably doesn't understand much about encryption anyways.
Let's face it... G.W. Bush would have a difficult enough time figuring out velcro.
*sigh*
Glad I voted for a different bush...