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World's Largest Crystals
el_guapo writes: "OK, this is just cool. From here, a mining company in Mexico opened up a couple of chambers containing the world's largest known crystals. From the article 'Walking into either of these caves is like stepping into a gigantic geode.'" Looks pretty impressive.
I think he was just being vague. The Eye of the World was a sa'angreal.
::watches the moderators bury him in Offtopic::
In any case, I wan to sneak in there and take one home. Make it the center piece of my kitchen.
According to the article, the last guy that tried it ended up being crushed by the crystal he tried to pilfer.
It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds. - Captain Hammer
An 80-foot tall giant that appears to be Shirley McClaine has been spotted rampaging towards Chihuahua, Mexico. Top scientists belive that the giant crystals have have over-energized her chakras and are causing the celebrity to mutate into some sort of '50s B-movie monster. Local townspeople hope to be rescued by a 100-foot tall Robert Smith, singer for pop band The Cure, and natural enemy of mutant female celebrities.
Causation can cause correlation
I live in a country where the only rocks to be found are of the powdery dune forming variety. My ancestors had to build their pyramids from wood and mud, so we have not much to show for them. I'm still looking for wooden geodes.
Funny, all the posts criticizing this one are from ACs. I, for one, thought it was funny as hell.
OK. It's not carbon, but it's the closest you're going to get to his only SF story (yes, an SF story!) "The Diamond as Big as The Ritz".
teleny, friend of cats.
Hey, when you've seen the size of my upthrusting crystal, you'll wonder why I don't exploit it as a tourist attraction!
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Are you calling FFFish a natural wonder?
Work is for people who lack the imagination to play.
Lemme know when ya find some DMT crystals that big.
Your Momma's so fat she makes emacs look like nano!
:-)
Vidi, Vici, Veni
Now those are some big crystals. If anyone finds a URL with larger photos, I'd love one as a background for my computer.
In any case, I wan to sneak in there and take one home. Make it the center piece of my kitchen.
-Nicholas Blasgen
Ok, I have my giant crystals for my well-being, now if I could just find some giant pyramids to sharpen my razors, I'd be all set.
Karma is as karma does
"Tell me doctor, with all of your defenses, are there any provisions for an attack by killer bees?"
Are geodes special in Virgina or something? Here in Indiana, I found dozens when I was a kid. Some were almost as big as a basketball. I used a very scientific technique known as "digging in my back yard".
-B
Aren't you thinking of "The Monolith Monsters"?
I sense a great disturbance in the Force...
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Instead of digging them out, using the raw material and destorying such a wonder, they're actually going to make the place accessible to the public, including AC to handle the heat.
Score 1 for ecotourism, even if it's just some really huge crystals.
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It's the Fortress of Solitude, for the record.
And no wonder. All that unrelieved whiteness. How about a throw pillow, Supes?
-- gold23
Trust not a man who's rich in flax / His morals may be sadly lax
if you saw Superman I (the movie), he already found crystals bigger than this one... :-)
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100 degrees F is nothing! Heck, it's hotter than that for most of the day durung most of the summer here in the 6th largest city in the USA, Phoenix, AZ. (or is it 8th, I guess it depends on who you ask)
One of my previous (way previous) jobs was as a ramp agent (those guys that wave those orange wands to direct the planes around, and mess up your luggage [most of the times, not at the same time]) at Sky Harbor International Airport. The official temperature for this one particular day was 118 defrees F. We took a thermometer out to the area we were working (underneath, and behind the airplains (mostly 727, 737 and MD80/88 models, so little jets) and the ambient air was over 150 degrees F. The higher air temp was due to the large blacktop surface, and the fact that jet engines happen to put out a lot of heat.
It was toasty, but did we complain? Heck yea we did! I mean that's freakin hot!!!
OT: Not long after I left that job, Phoenix hit a record official temp of 122 F. They had to close the airport for several hours because the charts that Boeing and Co. put out for safe distances for takeoff and landing did not go that high. After a couple of million of lost revinue later, the charts were updated.
-Joe
Or they could just limit the number of people they allow to pass through there. It's not as if Naica, Mexico gets a ton of tourists as it is, and how many non-locals are going to drive a far ways in order to see them?
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Entropy. I'd write out the delta-G, H and temperature equations, but they slip my mind right now because I don't have class tomorrow so I'm drinking right now. Real quick: use energy to do work, or else fall apart, or something. Please don't ask me to write the next text book.
I named the Human leader Kojack.
Every cave and coal mine I've been in have been quite cool year-round. The article doesn't mention why these caves are between 100 and 150 degrees Farenheit 1200 feet below the surface -- anyone care to enlighten me? I'm guessing it's not from nearby magma or crystal vibrations...
More specifically, it's true if you believe that a thing only has value if it is useful to large numbers of fat Americans wearing bermuda shorts.
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Chow some valium, pal. It'll do you a world of good.
If you can find contentment and fulfilment just 'knowing' that FFFish is there, then he don't actually have to be there: it's a Schrodinger's Cat situation.
Myself, I'll need to see 'im to believe 'im. I'd prefer to see him in his natural setting, and I'd very much prefer that setting to last millenia and enthrall millions of people.
If he's shut off from view, well, then, he might as well be destroyed. If I have to look at old pictures or otherwise imagine that I'm seeing him, then I can just as well imagine something even more grand. The existance or non-existance of the marvel becomes immaterial, if no one's allowed to see him.
- Steeltoe
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/
On what do you base your assumption that we are sapient beings, and the only one at that?
Personally I think you got it wrong. _I_ am the only sapient being in the universe. You're just a figment of my imagination not worth a second thought.
- Steeltoe
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/
Just because you don't know why it's there, doesn't mean it doesn't have a purpose. Just because it doesn't have a purpose doesn't mean it shouldn't exist.
- Steeltoe
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/
huh?
Got Rhinos?
I find it just a bit ironic that the world's largest crystals are found in Chihuahua. I mean why not in "Great" Denmark.
So far I've gotten all my Karma from telling people they are wrong... :)
Disclaimer: my tastes are my own.
On a side note, doesn't this look like the sort of thing you always see on cheezy movies abiout the deep underground? Not so chessy after all, it seems.
Books too. Wat comes to my mind is Robert Jordan's The Eye of the World... there's that scene at the Eye when they descend into the cave that is sort of a focus for saidin, only not really (I think Jordan hadn't quite stabilized his ideas on how the Power worked, then)... and it was full of glowing crystals.
Crystal caves: they're not just for cheesy movies and old apogee games any more!
Actually, I bet if you could somehow light the crystals in the cave, it would look really cool. It would, however, be a different beauty from the natural one of the cave. Although, ocme ot think of it, without some sort o light, it wouldn't look like anything.
-J
Karma: T-rexcellent.
Ah, yes. I'm not sure I saw that at first, though I can see it now. Hmmm. That was a couple months ago for me, after all.
;)
Still, I think some of his ideas were still solidifying at that point. For instance, the whole Traveling thing... the way in which Lews Therin and Ishamael travel in the prologue of Eye is pretty different from the method used later inthe series... of course, there could be different ways of traveling, I suppose, but the Forsaken do it too.
Wow. How's that for offtopic?
-J
Karma: T-rexcellent.
The bigger the crystals, the bigger the thief problem. Hmm, does this "make the gigantic crystals" sound like a certain Rick Moranis movie to you? You know, the one that he almost destroyed vegas with when he made his kid gigantic instead of the crystals?
I am !amused.
Um... I think you mean Fortress of Solitude*...
*which is probably spelled different
Wiwi
"I trust in my abilities,
Wiwi
"I trust in my abilities,
but I want more then they offer"
True, if you believe that a thing only has value if it is useful to humans.
value:
1 : a fair return or equivalent in goods, services, or money for something exchanged
2 : the monetary worth of something : marketable price
3 : relative worth, utility, or importance
Ummm so yeah, based on the definition, something only has value if it's useful to humans. When some turtles invent their own language with a similar word, I'll recant.
Go eat some sprouts hippie.
... Birkenstocks in a twist. I was KIDDING.
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Etymology: probably from 1kid
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transitive senses
1 : to deceive as a joke wouldn't kid you> 2 : to make fun of
intransitive senses : to engage in good-humored
fooling or horseplay -- often used with around
- kidder noun
- kiddingly
And yes, I am only a few steps to the right of Atilla the Hun, but at least I revel in the fact that the Right are decidedly not that, and accept that hypocrisy is a fact, not an insult. Left wing individuals begin foaming at the mouth the moment you question any of their ethics.
Ceci n'est pas une sig.
They've found Superman's hideout! And I thought it was up near the North Pole.
There are 10 kinds of people; those who know ternary, those who don't, and those now hunting for a dictionary.
I am mining a cave to the center of the earth. After I install the air conditioners I am going to open an amusement park in the core. Cooling the core down slowly should not harm anything. -gerbik
for a darwin award right after i posted it here...
mas cerveza, por favor politically incorrect stu
It's going to be harder and harder to impress chicks with a geode these days.
"How big is YOUR crystal?"
Je t'aime Stéphanie
At 150 degrees F, that temperature is extremely hot!
Since its so hot, I must wonder... how long can people survive at 150?
Cooling chambers that are naturally warm like that would require a LOT of energy. It doesn't make sense, money-wise, to attempt to cool them. I know I sure wouldnt want to pay $20 to see crystals in an airconditioned cave.... I want to see them at 150 degrees and in their natural environment!
Ever need an online dictionary?
Heh heh heh.
>:^D
I always thought it was at the North Pole...
So that's where Superman's polar home ended up when it crashed into the ocean.
The pictures from the website are amazing, but there is no way in which us slashdot geeks can take pride on that. Now, crashing aluminum foil on an asteroid is something any os could have worked on, thus its clear interest to this audience...
'nuff said
"One man was killed when he attempted to chop out a gigantic crystal that fell from the ceiling and crushed him..."
giggle.
Why do users with IDs under 100,000 or over 700,000 usually have the most worthwhile comments?
WTF are you talking about? There are larger crystals than this all over the place. They just haven't been found. They are safely residing in the (not to antropomorphize) bowels of the earth. And that's just fine by me. Why don't you go off and appreciate THEM?
And yes, the idea that, absent humans to appreciate it, this whole ball of dirt could be as barren as the Moon, is perfectly valid. Who would give a shit? 'Gaia'? Frankly, I like that concept more than the unexamined and undefended meme that "Nature" is somehow superior if "uncontaminated" by human presence. Check and defend your own damn assumptions, jerk.
PS)You are guilty of using your own homocentric viewpoint when you refer to "...the mess this planet is in." In a million years, I bet it will be hard for "this planet" to remember we were here.
PPS) huh...huh-huh...he said 'homo'.
"To be fair, I was left completely unsupervised." ~Anon
By Michael Ray Taylor, Discovery News
Feb. 8, 2001 -- The largest natural crystals on Earth have been discovered in two caves within a silver and zinc mine near Naica, in Chihuahua, Mexico, according to mine officials. Reaching lengths of over 20 feet, the clear, faceted crystals are composed of selenite, a crystalline form of the mineral gypsum.
"Walking into either of these caves is like stepping into a gigantic geode," said Richard D. Fisher, an American consultant with the mining company to develop the discoveries as tourist attractions.
Fisher said that most people can endure only a few minutes in the caves due to their high temperatures. The smaller of the two, which is about the size of two-bedroom apartment, is 100 Fahrenheit. The large chamber, which Fisher describes as the size of a Cathedral, is 150 F. Both are located approximately 1200 feet below the surface.
Selenite in Action
The mining company plans to air-condition the caves before opening them to the public next year, Fisher said. He adds that reducing the heat gradually will not harm the crystals.
The largest previously known crystals were found in the nearby Cave of the Swords, part of the same mine system. Some of these are now on display at the Smithsonian Institution. The local government and mine owners hope to avoid removing any of the new discoveries for museum displays or private collections, Fisher said.
While the mine company is currently limiting visitation of the caves to scientific experts, mineral hunters have destroyed locks and broken into the chambers twice since they were first opened by mining equipment last April. One man was killed when he attempted to chop out a gigantic crystal that fell from the ceiling and crushed him, according to Fisher.
"We need more onsite protection of mine caves," said geologist Carol A. Hill, co-author of the book Cave Minerals of the World, who calls the new discoveries "by far the largest selenite crystals I have ever heard of."
Hill applauds the tourism plan. "Without it, the mining company would probably destroy the caves. Museums have enough crystals," she said. "It's important to preserve discoveries like this where they occur."
Fisher and mine officials will display photographs and small samples of crystals from the new cave at the Tuscon Gem & Mineral Show in Arizona -- which starts today and runs through the weekend -- where they plan to organize a scientific study of the caves to take place in March.
Does anyone have a mirror out there ??
By the way, someone mentioned pegmatites; it would be very unlikely to get selenite crystals in a pegmatite.
-Dave Hirsch, UT Austin, Ph.D. Geology
Gotta read the article for this to make sense
What the hell was wrong with him. 20 foot crystals? And some dude wants to steal them. So he figures out some way to get past security, break the locks, sneak in unnoticed, and chisel the crystal away from all the rocks around it... but forgot to figure out how the HELL to take the thing back up to the surface? Man, he deserved to get crushed!!!!
-Kef
just wait until i die and they look at my kidneys.
i like german girls. and nannies.
Well, It does faintly resemle the Fortress of Solitude.
Sigs are for suckers
I appreciate the correction. The discussion reaccessed my ancient neural memory banks. I had quite forgotten the slowly cooling magma context.
Just another demo of the vast knowledge store which the /. attendees bring to the discussions.
A fabulous group of folks, despite the leavening of trolls!
I believe the chambers are what are called pegmatites. I read of them years ago in a geology book and was utterly fascinated by the descriptions of gigantic crystals to be found in such chambers.
Although I can't remember the name of the book, I seem to recall that 80-foot crystals were mentioned. Makes me wonder if these selenite crystals are really the world's largest.
I just visited, and I do not believe flash is required.
Stupid like a fox!
This is cool! My dad, an engineer and spelunker, used to explore mines (note, do not try this at home!), and told me abut how he'd often find chambers full of huge gypsum crystals. Apparently the mining companies normally just mine the xtals for the minerals they contain - it's cool that there's a better way to make money from them!
Honestly, is it me, or does that link not work?
A Penny for my thoughts? Here's my two cents. I got ripped off!
These guys must be going nuts!
http://www.astrologyzine.com/crystal-9.shtml
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Actually, I would like to hand one off my rear-view mirror. But since that is impractical I guess I will just strap it to the roof of my car. Just imagine how many people will be blinded by the reflection off of this thing!
Didn't Darwin teach you anything? Viva la Evolucion! =)
YAY! kill those hippies! nuke those unwashed, phish loving, grateful dead-listening, matthew goode band supporting hippies!
uh, maybe we should hire ted nugent to wipe out the hippie population. we could tell him they were some kind of new species of wild life.
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i'd agree with you there, sulli. cutting off a suspended crystal is pretty stupid. if the moron wanted asouvenir that badly, why didn't he get one that was already on the ground?
i guess amateur spelunkers aren't so good with physics or logistics.
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damn hippies. they should wash more often. nature smells good, hippies don't.
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Chihuahua must be a crazy place to live.
I've been feeling quite blue since the crystals I grew
Became too big to fit through the door
But from slices I've sold, Hewlett-Packard, I'm told,
Made a chip that was seven-foot-four.
From "Home On Lagrange."
Don't blame me, I voted for Durga.
Hey! We have another Darwin Award!
"One man was killed when he attempted to chop out a gigantic crystal that fell from the ceiling and crushed him, according to Fisher."
BMaximus
One man was killed when he attempted to chop out a gigantic crystal that fell from the ceiling and crushed him
I never thought of associating a soda machine, and crystal before. Crystal Pepsi anyone?
Pretty!! :) I want one....
;)
(though, i don't want to be crushed to death like a moron...so maybe i'll pass..)
Usually you think of underground caves as having cool temperatures. What makes these so hot? Geothermal heat close by? If that's the case, would you really want to have the general public visting down there on a regular basis, given that Mexico does have it's fair share of volcanos and earthquakes. I smell a bad Hollywood movie in the making here.
We've secretly replaced the formations found in this mine shaft with new Folger's crystals: let's see if the miners can tell the difference...
Foreman: Usted nos creería haber substituido éstos por los cristales de Folger?
Miner #1: ?Cristales de Folger? Imposible! ?Realmente?
Anybody want a peanut?
Or Dr. Evil.
Where's the beef?
"Huge natural crystals found in cave" ... there's a joke in there someplace. I plead ignorance.
What would happen if you shot a laser pointer in there...
This is the article where I saw it first a couple the months ago. There is a little bit more information about the place. Sorry, I think it's in spanish only.
. . . That the these crystals could be used for a giant "laser" Just hope the RIAA doesn't get its hands on it.
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Has anyone taken claim to own this monument? What about when microprocessors are made from the same elements and the supply is greatly diminished, will someone come out of the woodwork and lay a stake in it all...
... Seems like a pretty neat touristy place, let's just hope they do get that air conditioning the speak of in place or that chihuahua in the Taco Bell commercials will end up a hot dog in no time.
DeBeers, Mexico is calling.
Anyways
2000 hot sweaty blondes couldn't be wron9
"When I was a Buddhist, it drove my parents and friends crazy, but when I am buddha, nobody is upset at all"
I did too. But lots of people on Slashdot treat moderation points as a 'reward' for some reason. It's really intended as a method of improving the content, not a win/lose situation for the people who make comments.
You're pretty self-righteous, eh?
Why should this 'natural wonder' be forced to live up to your values?
Don't be so fucking 'cosmic', mon. It makes you look pretty pathetic.
'Moderation points' aren't given to an account. They are given to a comment.
It's to improve the signal/noise ratio.
It's near time for Malda to just plain remove the accrual of 'mod points' in accounts. Let comments be moderated up on their merit alone. Take away the initiative for these children to 'collect points' like this is a meritocracy.
I have a 12" diamond saw in my garage for cutting open geodes.
Not a chance of that.
Most New Age flakes haven't ever been out of the city.
Wow! You really went out of your way not to read what I typed, huh?
you, sir, are an incoherent misogynist.
Some possible uses for giant gypsum crystals:
I've got a picture of Rick James smoking a piece of crystal meth twice the size of those things!
(kinda weird)
As a kid I bought two geodes from the gift shop of the Kirkpatrick Center/Omniplex in Oklahoma City. Kinda cool to a kid, I liked one best since it had a neater crystal in the middle.
Fast forward a couple of years and one of my teachers had a magnet made from hot gluing a geode to a magnetic disk. The funny thing was it was the other half to one of the geodes I had bought (the one I didn't like as much)!
Not proud of it but I stole it from her at the end of the year. (Sorry Mrs. Christie!)
"Dogs and cats, living together...it's mass hysteria!"
I couldn't read it either. If I had moderator points I'd give em to you.
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Please refer to [this post], who's author understood what I'm saying.
So we do what you say: document and study it, record it to pictures and video, and then seal the cave from all humanity.
Once sealed, *their existence is immaterial*. The crystals could vaporize, and no one would be the wiser; or they could treble in size, and no one would know. No living thing would benefit from their existence... nor would any living thing be harmed by their loss.
In effect, they become an artifact of history and their present-day existence would be mere supposition and imagination.
That's infinitely more wasteful of their existence than opening up the caves to throngs of tourists.
If you really need to get tweaked about something, then please get tweaked about something that counts. There are plenty of things happening in the Brazilian rainforests that are having deep and lasting negative impact on living plants and creatures.
For starters, you can get uppity about the destruction caused by the rock hounds who are supplying all the new age shops with their "harmonious" crystals. Most of those crystals are obtained through extremely destructive practices. Yet not a single crystal-worshipping purchasers cares to acknowledge that they're supporting the destruction of rainforests. Hypocrites.
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Chow some valium, pal. It'll do you a world of good.
If you can find contentment and fulfilment just 'knowing' that the rocks are there, then they don't actually have to be there: it's a Schrodinger's Cat situation.
Myself, I'll need to see 'em to believe 'em. I'd prefer to see them in their natural setting, and I'd very much prefer that setting to last millenia and enthrall millions of people.
If they're shut off from view, well, then, they might as well be destroyed. If I have to look at old pictures or otherwise imagine that I'm seeing them, then I can just as well imagine something even more grand. The existance or non-existance of the marvel becomes immaterial, if no one's allowed to see it.
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So fucking what if giant crystals don't 'do anything remotely useful'?
It's not like you do, either, sitting on your pale white ass and posting to slashdot.
Just because it exists does not mean it has to be exploited.
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Fucking monkeys.
bwahahahahahaha
:-)
funniest thing I've read all day
Vidi, Vici, Veni
It's my understanding that air conditioning systems have the useful side effect of also dehumidifying. This is why on many cars, choosing the 'defog' setting to direct air toward your windshield will also turn the air conditioner on, so this doesn't sound like it would be a huge problem. Of course, you'd also want some kind of filter.
Vidi, Vici, Veni
Just a better browser. My mozilla, though I can see the story in the source, doesn't display dick.
Right about now I wish
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Don't people have any appreciation for what mother nature gives us? We all know the adage: "Don't fuck with mother nature!"
*cough*hurricanes*cough*tornadoes*cough*earthquake s*cough*
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I just read the story, and I'm impressed by the stance the mining company is taking. Instead of chopping up these huge crystals and selling them to collectors and museums, they're gradually cooling the 100-degree caves in order to show them off to the public.
A plan like this keeps natural wonders like this intact and let's us general public take a peek and what's going on inside our planet.
On a side note, doesn't this look like the sort of thing you always see on cheezy movies abiout the deep underground? Not so chessy after all, it seems.
Stupid like a fox!
bunch of tofu munching tree huggers
Oh, save the whales! Beach the turtles! Oh, look! A sale on geodes and crystal pendants! I'll drive my Jeep Grand Cherokee
High School Debate Tactic #123.b:
If you are loosing the argument, call the oponent a 'hypocrite'. This will always discredit their opinions. This will have the added benefit of causing you to not alter your argument in any way.
As a special side note: Using this tactic to justify *YOUR* overconsumption will only fool other people - *YOU* know damn well what is right, your just to lazy, selfish and self-obsessed to admit it to yourself... its so much easier to insult another persons character then defend your own actions.
Who said anything about being 'cosmic', mon?
My simple point is that choosing the 'destiny' of a cave full of million year old crystals of that size (massive natural beuty) requires a massive amount of ego.. I cant understand what people like FFFish, maybe you, and mining companies think that because they 'discovered' this cave - they get to decide its future. That future is immediate and everlasting, and based on the rarity and intrinsic value in such a site, it should be left alone. Alone as in: Document and study, pictures and video, websites and books. Anything else is exploitation.
Even 'tourism' would be over use in my opinion... but all things considered would not be that great a tragedy if done properly (the site is maintained as the 'number one priority').
Exactly why does the choice of someone else to have kids constitute an obligation on my part to those kids' unborn grandchildren?
If I understand you correctly, you feel that you have no obligation to future people (you infer excepting your own children). You are obligated because you are a member of a community. You are obligated because previous generations thought about providing for you.
I've heard a 'proverb', accredited to the First Nations people: "You do not inherit the planet from your father - you borrow it from your sons."
If you'd like to - you can live your life in pursuit of satisfying your every need, without a care for anyone or anything else... no one will stop you. What a horrible, lonely, shallow existance it will be.
Wow - do you trip over your selfishness when you walk?
I hope they do a careful study of the stability of these crystals before letting people too close to them. Obviously the guy who was killed did something stupid, but it could happen again...
sulli
RTFJ.
This weekend, I visited Luray Caverns in Virginia, USA. Apparently, the first air conditioned home in the world was built here in 1901. The owner (a retired ventilation engineer) just drilled a hole into the cave, and pumped the cool, limestone-filtered air into his home via a five-foot-diameter shaft. Story here.
Just so you can get an idea of how hot it is down there: 100 degrees F = 38 degrees C (rounded) 150 degrees F = 66 degrees C (rounded) and 1200 feet = 366 m 66! ouch!
"Me and my girl named bimbo . . . limbo . . . spam" - Captain Beefheart.
Just so you can get an idea of how hot it is down there:
100 degrees F = 38 degrees C (rounded)
150 degrees F = 66 degrees C (rounded)
and 1200 feet = 366 m
66! ouch!
"Me and my girl named bimbo . . . limbo . . . spam" - Captain Beefheart.
Anything only has value in relation to sapient beings, as sapient beings are the only thing in the universe that can value anything.
Now that that's cleared up, you guys can debate what disposition of the crystals is of most value to the only known sapient beings in the universe, humans.
There's no "we" in team, only "me"
Why? Why would they need to shut down the cave?
It's not like the crystals, unseen and unharmed by the public, are doing anything remotely useful.
Other than generating "feel good vibes," preserving the crystals does no good whatsoever. And damaging the cave system isn't likely to be a big consideration, given that it's a *mining* company. Destroying rocks is what they do best.
I can appreciate, understand and give in to the sloppy sentimentality that's being displayed by so many Slashdotters -- but, on the other hand, I'm also pragmatic enough to admit that if the crystals aren't viewed by tourists, they might as well be chopped up and sold.
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I'd expected some bunch of tofu munching tree huggers would mine the hell out of it.
Never stopped giving me a good wheeze. "Oh, save the whales! Beach the turtles! Oh, look! A sale on geodes and crystal pendants! I'll drive my Jeep Grand Cherokee that gets 10mpg the 100 miles to buy some!" Meanwhile there are thousands of slobs digging up huge portions of natural wilderness so they can sell these rocks for ten bucks a pop.
I'm in the wrong line of work...
At least these are being kept safe (for now). Those pictures looked very cool.
Ceci n'est pas une sig.
When I was 6 I found a very light-weight rock on the playground of my brother's pre-school. It couldn't have been more than an inch in diameter. I kept it in my pocket, and the next day I was bouncing it on my desk at school, because it made a neat sound, almost as though it was hollow. One time I missed catching it after it bounced, and it dropped on the floor and cracked. I was disappointed, knowing that it would now not be in a shape conducive to bouncing, which I thought was just great at age 6. Then I looked, and saw what was inside. I had found a closed geode on a playground in Virgina, USA, and of all the rocks there, it was the one I happened to pick up. To this day I have no clue how it happened, but I know that it did.
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Did anyone else see the Superman Hall of Justice* when looking at those fotos?
*isnt that what its called...
Air conditioning tends to do this anyway. When the air is cooled moisture is removed, which is why air conditioners drip water.
Also, while selenite is not the most durable of minerals neither is it the most fragile in this sense. The much smaller selenites in my personal collection are unharmed after ~ 10 years despite being kept in open cabinets in New Orleans, LA which is not exactly a low-humidity environment.
In fact, the air conditioning would probably help to preserve the crystals, since the introduction of outside air cannot be undone. By making that outside air cooler and drier any damage to the crystals will be slowed.
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Does anyone actually have a Java program designed to control air traffic, or for the operation of a nuclear facility?
are doing anything remotely useful
Moderators: Do your worst.. ive got karma to burn.
You know FFFish - its people like you who are responsible for the mess this planet is in...
*JUST EXISTING* and knowing that the Crystals are there is 'enough use' for their preservation. HUMANS of every generation feel they have the right to take anything they please with no consideration to the planet or future generations. Why the fuck should this natural wonder be forced to live up to some asshole's expectation of 'something usefull'? Have you no sense of wonder???? These Crystals took millenia to form - through natural processes of the planet - their mere existance should cause humans to reflect on the planet and the natural wonder around us... instead close minded jackasses like yourself spew shit like "anything remotely usefull".
Give your head a shake pal- 'God' willing - when your long dead and forgotten these things will still be here, despite your arrogance and hubris.
According to the article, the mining company will install airconditioning to make the caves more tolerable to tourists. One thing they must consider when choosing airconditioning is the effect of a steady stream of tourists through an enclosed space. Humans continuously give off a steady stream of water vapour, carbon dioxide and other metabolic wastes, and this may have an adverse effect on the stability of the crystals. The airconditioning must not only lower the temperature of the cave, but must also remove these metabolic wastes, particularly the water vapour.
There are ancient Egyptian sites that have been closed to tourists because the water vapour from the tourists was dissolving the relics, which had been preserved because of the dryness of the site.
I hope the mining company carefully monitors the effect of the airconditioning and tourists on the caves and crystals. They may need to shut down or limit the tourist access if tourism is having an adverse effect on the crystals or cave system.
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The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. - Edmund Burke