The old structures solve problems (communication, mainly) that are no longer there.... adapt, or die.
The problem is exactly that. People believe that the only answers are "Adapt or die". People believe it for music, for software, for whatever.
Unfortunately, there is a third option. In the real world U.S. economic body, the options are "Adapt, Die, or Legislate protection for your current business model".
We stopped using some blacklist when I was working at netmar a couple of years ago. I remember it being a huge pain for customers.
Of course, we had been saving all our spam since like 1997, and when we fed all the spam (30,000 messages?) into a bayesian filter, it caught most spam. Also, we still used ORDB, as they tend to only target specific kinds of problems (obviously, Open Relay Data Base). That caught a lot, also.
Really, it goes back to the eternal tradeoff for any computer system - ease of use traded for security. Always.
Strike a compromise - don't be overzealous, but take reasonable precautions.
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Hypothetically, I am a gay man who wants to file jointly for my federal income taxes with my partner. The law provides for married couples to do this, and we were married in a religious ceremony, but due to the laws of the land, the marriage is not recognized by the government. I would also like to qualify for a lower interest rate on my home mortgage, but again, because my marriage is not recognized as being official, I cannot.
Hypothetically, I brought a court case against the government, claiming that they were infringing my 14th amendment right to equal protection. A judge ruled that the law was indeed unconstitutional, and in his opinion, stated that marriage was a religious institution, and due to the separation of church and state, should not be regulated by the government; and that a civil union between gay individuals should carry the same protection under the law (specifically tax law and anti-discrimination law) as it does for civil unions for heterosexual couples.
Then, some conservative pundit calls the judges' decision "Judicial Activism".
Um, that's their job. To interpret the constitution and to rule laws unconstitutional that are in conflict with it. That's not activism. That's the express purpose of the judicial system.
It's hard to argue that time shifting is occurring on P2P networks and even if it is, many of the TV shows have been stripped of their commercials, something not easily done with VCRs, especially by those who were simply time shifting TV shows.
"We'll be back after these words fro-[[pause]]... [[unpause]]-lcome Back, everyone!..."
This is like the 3rd one of these posts I've seen about "It's their network, deal with it."
The problem with it is that many universities don't offer legitimate alternative housing. At virginia tech, where I went to school, freshmen are required to live in on campus housing. You have to live in their dorms, you have to purchase a dining plan, and you have to pay the fees to use the internet/phone/tv.
I always wondered about that. The university has a monopoly on communications connections, and yet, everyone says "You signed up, you deal with it". If it's the only choice, did you really sign up for it?
Yeah, the setting is in an African-American church; which lends its self to many cool corollaries. Morgan Freeman is the "Narrator", who plays the part by reading from the good book on the lecturn, which is the actual text of Oedipus at Colonus. The chorus is the choir.
Might I suggest to you, fellow classicist, that you try and find a copy of "The Gospel at Colonus". There's a PBS or similar public TV version out there, but it's hard to find. It's essentially an opera rewrite of Oedipus at Colonus, and it is fantastic. The production I saw had James Earl Jone's brother, Morgan Freeman, and many famous African-American soloists and musical acts, all portraying this story.
I used to wonder about this kind of thing when I was in college... I had teachers who used Powerpoint through a projector as a teaching aid, but I also had teachers who used it as a crutch. And it's pretty easy to see who doesn't teach outside the box.
Critical thinking doesn't come from power points. Effective teaching means learning spelling, and augmenting it with spell check, not the other way around.
Holy cow, you're right. See what happens on monday morning?
The conflict I was thinking of wasn't the iran-iraq war. Damnit. After a bit of googling, it was "the shi'a uprising". From globalsecurity.org:
"At the end of the 1991 Gulf War, President George Bush urged Iraqis to topple the Ba'ath regime, but the US did not back the Shiite uprising that ensued in southern Iraq, and the rebels were slaughtered. When the fighters of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI), headed by Ayatollah Muhammad Baqir al-Hakim, poured over the border from Iran. Fears of Iranian influence over Iraqi Shiites through SCIRI was a decisive factors in the US decision not to support the uprising. Grand Ayatollah Abu Gharib al-Qassem al-Khoei sent his son Ayatollah Abdul Majid al-Khoei to contact the Americans. When he reached French lines he was told Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf, commander of the allied forces, would meet him, but the meeting never took place. Afterwards, Al-Khoei went into exile."
That's the one. We said we'd help them in an uprising, but our help never materialized. As Iran came into Iraq, expecting help from Iraqi shi'a, they were met with lots of resistance.
Here's a link on the iran-iraq war and the US involvement. Also, the wikipedia page is relatively good on the specifics. The iran-iraq war was the one where the US had sold Iran almost all the weapons it had, and then when Iraq invaded Iran, the US saw an opportunity to fund and arm Iraq (since the soviets backed out of the partnership). That was when we shipped them all the biological weapons materials. See also link.
ever heard of the Iran-Iraq war? That's at least a million dead in a war infused with religious rhetoric. If you include governments in your argument, the death toll numbers don't stack favorably to your side.
I hate to point this out, but the iran-iraq war was primarially the fault of the U.S.
The shi'a (shiite) muslims in Iraq, which hold a majority population but were underrepresented in government, were under the impression that they should revolt following the gulf war I. They thought that the US would be back in there, supporting them. Believing this, Iran invaded Iraq (Iran is fundamentalist shi'a, their constitution begins "pending the return of the 12th imam, our government will be run like this..."), expecting to get support from Iraqi shi'a muslims. The US did nothing, and Saddam impressed tens of thousands of iraqis, shi'a and sunni, into service in order to fight Iran.
Iran was getting signals that the US would back shi'a rebels. Shi'a rebels in iraq were getting signals that they should rise up and overthrow Saddam.
There's your iran-iraq war.//history degree w/ 2 semesters of middle-east history.
I try to tell the fundies this. They say evolution is a "theory". I try to tell them that, in the scientific community, theory does not mean the same thing as it does in general usage. The word they are looking for is "hypothesis". Theories have been proven and substantiated. And evolution will never be a scientific law because it is too complex: laws have concisely expressable mathematic equations.
Finaly, you can suspend your HDD or use sleeves to stop the drive transmitting the vibrations to the case. The case can act a little like a guitar body and amplify the grinding sounds.
You can get a new antec case, specifically the sonata, which comes with rubber shock mounts for the hard drives. Also has a 120mm fan for quiet operation.
Now only if there were a decent LPGA775 quiet aftermarket fan...
Ok, I see your point. Not "MBA and MCSE are worthless", but "What real value do they add to your resume?".
My resume strenghts are that I'm (soon to be) MCSA certified and I've spent 3 years previously as a GNU/Linux and Solaris network admin, so I'm balanced, plus I have a 4 year degree, so I'm willing to study. I think I'm good, but I figured that a MSCA/MCSE would help me out (switch hit between linux/windows).
To the original question: don't get a MBA...in another year, MBAs will be a dime a dozen, like MCSEs.
See, I'm starting to wonder about that statement.
I've worked at a computer build / network design / installation / repair shop now for 8 months. We're a midsized "small company" (~25 employees). We do enterprise level work, we're a microsoft certified partner, intel channel partner, GSA-scheduled, yada yada yada. All of our instore techs have to be A+, and onsite techs have to be MCP. And yet, no one in our store has an MCSE. My boss is only one test away, and we have another tech who is two tests away.
I know a lot of people in the area that do the things that an MCSE is supposed to signify knowledge of, and none of them have an MCSE. I also see lots of jobs with Defense contractors and the Gub'ment where an MSCE is the difference between $45,000/yr and $70,000/yr.
The only person I personally know with an MCSE is my father in law, who works for Unisys.
MCSE requires knowledge of the operating systems and prep to pass the tests, of which there are 7 required (at $125 a pop, not counting study materials). You have to take 4 networking design/implementation tests, a client OS test, a specific test dealing with designing active directory or security, and an elective test.
Just pointing out that, while bashing microsoft is as cool as ever, the MCSE cert is 1.) not easy, and 2.) still valuable.
Do you have an MCSE? I'd imagine that a good number of people on slashdot do have one. If not, could you pass 70-294 ("Planning, Implementing, and Maintaining a Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Active Directory Infrastructure")?
See, I wonder if there aren't enough sci-fi fans now to keep shows like this running.
Mind you, enterprise is bad, but farscape was good, and it was relatively more sci-fi than voyager.
I mean, the percentages are still the same - there are still X percent who will watch network TV, and Y percent who will watch Sci-Fi, but the numbers are getting bigger versus, say, 15 years ago (in the height of TNG).
I think there's enough people to support the niche market, even if they only get a 1.3% market share, that's still a million people, where 15 years ago it was tens of thousands.
Honestly, part of my problem is that I like the "wow spaceships" sci-fi, and SCI-FI the channel really isn't catering to me anymore, since the format switch. They've put on a bunch of crap that isn't sci-fi, or just sucks (knight rider reruns? tremors the series?). Plus, I'm still pissed at them over farscape season 5.
Windows 98 - $89 ($99 for the "plus" pack) Windows XP - $109 (home edition)
I mean, yeah, the price went up, but... which one is more stable? Which one has more features (I don't like windows media player, but it plays media). Not to mention inflation. I think $20 over 5 years is an ok increase.
Somewhere, there's a pleasant medium between "testing-4.3.10-alpha.8.2stable-01" and "Hey we changed the graphics, let's release a new version", a. la. AOL. MSN 9 must be better than AOL 8, right?
On the other hand, the linux kernel has been at 2.x for a looong time. I mean, there's almost no similarity between 2.2 and 2.6. I am hardpressed to think of any major system that hasn't been rewritten.
On the other hand, how many terrorists do you know who are going to hire a lawyer to figure out a hole in an american law, just so they can come in, bomb something, and when they're caught, say "But technically, it was legal to do this-and-such", and fight it in court?
The only people I could see exploiting a law like this are the kind of people who don't give a crap in the first place and would give less of a crap after the deed was done.
A law like this is only going to confound law abiding citizens.
Remember folks, suicide bombing is the ultimate "ends justify the means" situation. At what point would these people be worried about the law.
* Linear Processor Scalability
* Lights Out Management (LOM) with integrated service processor
* Redundant, hot-swap power and cooling
* Supports existing 32-bit x86 OS and applications
* Up to 4 AMD Opteron 800 Series processors
* Up to 32 GB
* Up to six hot-swap Ultra320 SCSI disks
- Solaris 10 on x64 - Solaris 9 HW 4/04 OS or later for x86 Platforms - Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3 for AMD Opteron - SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 8 - SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 9 - SUSE Linux 9 Professional (Community Edition) - Microsoft Windows 2000 (WHCL-certified) - Microsoft Windows Server 2003 (WHCL-certified)
The price, listed at http://www.sun.com/emrkt/opteronpromo/product.html shows the server @ $5945, which imho is quite a reasonable price for this kind of heavy hitting hardware.
I've always had a thing for sun hardware. It's just... sexy.
I hope you have slashdot alerting you when people reply to your messages, because I found your post very much relevant.
I haven't been in the "scene" too long; I first experimented with non-windows in 1998, I think, and that was freebsd (again, i think). But, yeah, since 1999, I've been using linux on and off. My first was redhat 6.2. After that, I was always a redhat guy - always looking to get the next redhat. Was excited with Redhat 7.0 and 7.1. Tried mandrake, it was easy to use (a complete windows replacement at the time), but didn't enjoy the support that redhat had.
But, with 8.0 I was slightly disalusioned. Ask anyone who actually used it, it was horrid - package incompatabilities - Apache 2 with a version of mod_php that required apache 1.3, parts that were compiled for this and that, etc. But, it was a.0 release, they'd fix it in the next dot.
Yeah, the dots disappeared. The next was Redhat9. I figured it was headed down hill after that.
If redhat had been content being the small time media seller that they were, they could still be the moving force in linux. As it stands... they've created people like you and me. I won't use redhat because almost all my linux is on the server side at this point (and more accurately, all my server side is linux), and I can't deal with either $380/year, or a complete lack of updates after 6 months. Hell, $380/year is about 1/2 what I pay for my damn server and bandwidth.
Fedora Core 3 is probably great for desktop usage. It's easy to manage and looks good. Seriously, though, what are you going to do when there aren't any updates available?
This is my problem with redhat. They had a good business model and a loyal following, and they threw it away.
Mandrake sells theirs for $50. Novel has added hundreds of network applications that were developed for specific situations in a netware environment. Linspire's business model is just as dumb as redhat's. Apples, oranges.
It's not the same when you say Mandrake sells their distro, because they are selling you the media for $50. Redhat sells you the "subscription" for $180 PER YEAR.
Answer me this: Why are you distro hopping?
If you've been messing with linux as a casual user for several years, like most people, I'd bet it's because there isn't a RedHat anymore. Back in the late 90's and 2000-2001, everyone was using redhat. Everyone was customizing their desktop with redhat, everyone was downloading the latest Ximian, everyone was waiting on the next redhat to come out.
Then redhat fucked up.
Now people are distro hopping as you put it. They had the market cornered, and they were profitable selling the media and selling support when needed. They let their greed lead them straight into random obscurity, from having essentially a monopoly.
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1 "pirate" copy = 1 lost sale? FALSE!
Similarly, "1 "pirate" copy != 1 lost sale" is also not necessarily true.
Right, but I think the truth, like many economic formulas, lies somewhere inbetween. I think it is more accurate to say something along the lines of:
1 Pirated song = 0.2 lost sales
Or something similar.
The old structures solve problems (communication, mainly) that are no longer there.
The problem is exactly that. People believe that the only answers are "Adapt or die". People believe it for music, for software, for whatever.
Unfortunately, there is a third option. In the real world U.S. economic body, the options are "Adapt, Die, or Legislate protection for your current business model".
I think you misspelled "mmphoorghrmphh"
We stopped using some blacklist when I was working at netmar a couple of years ago. I remember it being a huge pain for customers.
Of course, we had been saving all our spam since like 1997, and when we fed all the spam (30,000 messages?) into a bayesian filter, it caught most spam. Also, we still used ORDB, as they tend to only target specific kinds of problems (obviously, Open Relay Data Base). That caught a lot, also.
Really, it goes back to the eternal tradeoff for any computer system - ease of use traded for security. Always.
Strike a compromise - don't be overzealous, but take reasonable precautions.
~Will
Amendment XIV
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Hypothetically, I am a gay man who wants to file jointly for my federal income taxes with my partner. The law provides for married couples to do this, and we were married in a religious ceremony, but due to the laws of the land, the marriage is not recognized by the government. I would also like to qualify for a lower interest rate on my home mortgage, but again, because my marriage is not recognized as being official, I cannot.
Hypothetically, I brought a court case against the government, claiming that they were infringing my 14th amendment right to equal protection. A judge ruled that the law was indeed unconstitutional, and in his opinion, stated that marriage was a religious institution, and due to the separation of church and state, should not be regulated by the government; and that a civil union between gay individuals should carry the same protection under the law (specifically tax law and anti-discrimination law) as it does for civil unions for heterosexual couples.
Then, some conservative pundit calls the judges' decision "Judicial Activism".
Um, that's their job. To interpret the constitution and to rule laws unconstitutional that are in conflict with it. That's not activism. That's the express purpose of the judicial system.
~Will
It's hard to argue that time shifting is occurring on P2P networks and even if it is, many of the TV shows have been stripped of their commercials, something not easily done with VCRs, especially by those who were simply time shifting TV shows.
"We'll be back after these words fro-[[pause]]... [[unpause]]-lcome Back, everyone!..."
This is like the 3rd one of these posts I've seen about "It's their network, deal with it."
The problem with it is that many universities don't offer legitimate alternative housing. At virginia tech, where I went to school, freshmen are required to live in on campus housing. You have to live in their dorms, you have to purchase a dining plan, and you have to pay the fees to use the internet/phone/tv.
I always wondered about that. The university has a monopoly on communications connections, and yet, everyone says "You signed up, you deal with it". If it's the only choice, did you really sign up for it?
~Will
Also: You're right. Lysisistrata and Clouds are both great.
It's nice to meet someone of like mind.
Yeah, the setting is in an African-American church; which lends its self to many cool corollaries. Morgan Freeman is the "Narrator", who plays the part by reading from the good book on the lecturn, which is the actual text of Oedipus at Colonus. The chorus is the choir.
It's wonderful.
Might I suggest to you, fellow classicist, that you try and find a copy of "The Gospel at Colonus". There's a PBS or similar public TV version out there, but it's hard to find. It's essentially an opera rewrite of Oedipus at Colonus, and it is fantastic. The production I saw had James Earl Jone's brother, Morgan Freeman, and many famous African-American soloists and musical acts, all portraying this story.
It's amazing; you'd never be sorry you saw it.
~Will
I used to wonder about this kind of thing when I was in college... I had teachers who used Powerpoint through a projector as a teaching aid, but I also had teachers who used it as a crutch. And it's pretty easy to see who doesn't teach outside the box.
Critical thinking doesn't come from power points. Effective teaching means learning spelling, and augmenting it with spell check, not the other way around.
Holy cow, you're right. See what happens on monday morning?
The conflict I was thinking of wasn't the iran-iraq war. Damnit. After a bit of googling, it was "the shi'a uprising". From globalsecurity.org:
"At the end of the 1991 Gulf War, President George Bush urged Iraqis to topple the Ba'ath regime, but the US did not back the Shiite uprising that ensued in southern Iraq, and the rebels were slaughtered. When the fighters of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI), headed by Ayatollah Muhammad Baqir al-Hakim, poured over the border from Iran. Fears of Iranian influence over Iraqi Shiites through SCIRI was a decisive factors in the US decision not to support the uprising. Grand Ayatollah Abu Gharib al-Qassem al-Khoei sent his son Ayatollah Abdul Majid al-Khoei to contact the Americans. When he reached French lines he was told Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf, commander of the allied forces, would meet him, but the meeting never took place. Afterwards, Al-Khoei went into exile."
That's the one. We said we'd help them in an uprising, but our help never materialized. As Iran came into Iraq, expecting help from Iraqi shi'a, they were met with lots of resistance.
Here's a link on the iran-iraq war and the US involvement. Also, the wikipedia page is relatively good on the specifics. The iran-iraq war was the one where the US had sold Iran almost all the weapons it had, and then when Iraq invaded Iran, the US saw an opportunity to fund and arm Iraq (since the soviets backed out of the partnership). That was when we shipped them all the biological weapons materials. See also link.
Entirely my mixup.
ever heard of the Iran-Iraq war? That's at least a million dead in a war infused with religious rhetoric. If you include governments in your argument, the death toll numbers don't stack favorably to your side.
//history degree w/ 2 semesters of middle-east history.
I hate to point this out, but the iran-iraq war was primarially the fault of the U.S.
The shi'a (shiite) muslims in Iraq, which hold a majority population but were underrepresented in government, were under the impression that they should revolt following the gulf war I. They thought that the US would be back in there, supporting them. Believing this, Iran invaded Iraq (Iran is fundamentalist shi'a, their constitution begins "pending the return of the 12th imam, our government will be run like this..."), expecting to get support from Iraqi shi'a muslims. The US did nothing, and Saddam impressed tens of thousands of iraqis, shi'a and sunni, into service in order to fight Iran.
Iran was getting signals that the US would back shi'a rebels. Shi'a rebels in iraq were getting signals that they should rise up and overthrow Saddam.
There's your iran-iraq war.
Thank you, Bravo!
I try to tell the fundies this. They say evolution is a "theory". I try to tell them that, in the scientific community, theory does not mean the same thing as it does in general usage. The word they are looking for is "hypothesis". Theories have been proven and substantiated. And evolution will never be a scientific law because it is too complex: laws have concisely expressable mathematic equations.
Finaly, you can suspend your HDD or use sleeves to stop the drive transmitting the vibrations to the case. The case can act a little like a guitar body and amplify the grinding sounds.
You can get a new antec case, specifically the sonata, which comes with rubber shock mounts for the hard drives. Also has a 120mm fan for quiet operation.
Now only if there were a decent LPGA775 quiet aftermarket fan...
Ok, I see your point. Not "MBA and MCSE are worthless", but "What real value do they add to your resume?".
My resume strenghts are that I'm (soon to be) MCSA certified and I've spent 3 years previously as a GNU/Linux and Solaris network admin, so I'm balanced, plus I have a 4 year degree, so I'm willing to study. I think I'm good, but I figured that a MSCA/MCSE would help me out (switch hit between linux/windows).
To the original question: don't get a MBA...in another year, MBAs will be a dime a dozen, like MCSEs.
See, I'm starting to wonder about that statement.
I've worked at a computer build / network design / installation / repair shop now for 8 months. We're a midsized "small company" (~25 employees). We do enterprise level work, we're a microsoft certified partner, intel channel partner, GSA-scheduled, yada yada yada. All of our instore techs have to be A+, and onsite techs have to be MCP. And yet, no one in our store has an MCSE. My boss is only one test away, and we have another tech who is two tests away.
I know a lot of people in the area that do the things that an MCSE is supposed to signify knowledge of, and none of them have an MCSE. I also see lots of jobs with Defense contractors and the Gub'ment where an MSCE is the difference between $45,000/yr and $70,000/yr.
The only person I personally know with an MCSE is my father in law, who works for Unisys.
MCSE requires knowledge of the operating systems and prep to pass the tests, of which there are 7 required (at $125 a pop, not counting study materials). You have to take 4 networking design/implementation tests, a client OS test, a specific test dealing with designing active directory or security, and an elective test.
Just pointing out that, while bashing microsoft is as cool as ever, the MCSE cert is 1.) not easy, and 2.) still valuable.
Do you have an MCSE? I'd imagine that a good number of people on slashdot do have one. If not, could you pass 70-294 ("Planning, Implementing, and Maintaining a Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Active Directory Infrastructure")?
~Will
See, I wonder if there aren't enough sci-fi fans now to keep shows like this running.
Mind you, enterprise is bad, but farscape was good, and it was relatively more sci-fi than voyager.
I mean, the percentages are still the same - there are still X percent who will watch network TV, and Y percent who will watch Sci-Fi, but the numbers are getting bigger versus, say, 15 years ago (in the height of TNG).
I think there's enough people to support the niche market, even if they only get a 1.3% market share, that's still a million people, where 15 years ago it was tens of thousands.
Honestly, part of my problem is that I like the "wow spaceships" sci-fi, and SCI-FI the channel really isn't catering to me anymore, since the format switch. They've put on a bunch of crap that isn't sci-fi, or just sucks (knight rider reruns? tremors the series?). Plus, I'm still pissed at them over farscape season 5.
~Will
Windows 98 - $89 ($99 for the "plus" pack)
Windows XP - $109 (home edition)
I mean, yeah, the price went up, but... which one is more stable? Which one has more features (I don't like windows media player, but it plays media). Not to mention inflation. I think $20 over 5 years is an ok increase.
I guess think of 2.6.11.2 as 2.6.12-pre1.
I agree.
Somewhere, there's a pleasant medium between "testing-4.3.10-alpha.8.2stable-01" and "Hey we changed the graphics, let's release a new version", a. la. AOL. MSN 9 must be better than AOL 8, right?
On the other hand, the linux kernel has been at 2.x for a looong time. I mean, there's almost no similarity between 2.2 and 2.6. I am hardpressed to think of any major system that hasn't been rewritten.
On the other hand, how many terrorists do you know who are going to hire a lawyer to figure out a hole in an american law, just so they can come in, bomb something, and when they're caught, say "But technically, it was legal to do this-and-such", and fight it in court?
The only people I could see exploiting a law like this are the kind of people who don't give a crap in the first place and would give less of a crap after the deed was done.
A law like this is only going to confound law abiding citizens.
Remember folks, suicide bombing is the ultimate "ends justify the means" situation. At what point would these people be worried about the law.
From Sun's site:
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http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/v40z/index.jsp
* Linear Processor Scalability
* Lights Out Management (LOM) with integrated service processor
* Redundant, hot-swap power and cooling
* Supports existing 32-bit x86 OS and applications
* Up to 4 AMD Opteron 800 Series processors
* Up to 32 GB
* Up to six hot-swap Ultra320 SCSI disks
- Solaris 10 on x64
- Solaris 9 HW 4/04 OS or later for x86 Platforms
- Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3 for AMD Opteron
- SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 8
- SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 9
- SUSE Linux 9 Professional (Community Edition)
- Microsoft Windows 2000 (WHCL-certified)
- Microsoft Windows Server 2003 (WHCL-certified)
The price, listed at http://www.sun.com/emrkt/opteronpromo/product.htm
shows the server @ $5945, which imho is quite a reasonable price for this kind of heavy hitting hardware.
I've always had a thing for sun hardware. It's just... sexy.
~Wx
I hope you have slashdot alerting you when people reply to your messages, because I found your post very much relevant.
.0 release, they'd fix it in the next dot.
I haven't been in the "scene" too long; I first experimented with non-windows in 1998, I think, and that was freebsd (again, i think). But, yeah, since 1999, I've been using linux on and off. My first was redhat 6.2. After that, I was always a redhat guy - always looking to get the next redhat. Was excited with Redhat 7.0 and 7.1. Tried mandrake, it was easy to use (a complete windows replacement at the time), but didn't enjoy the support that redhat had.
But, with 8.0 I was slightly disalusioned. Ask anyone who actually used it, it was horrid - package incompatabilities - Apache 2 with a version of mod_php that required apache 1.3, parts that were compiled for this and that, etc. But, it was a
Yeah, the dots disappeared. The next was Redhat9. I figured it was headed down hill after that.
If redhat had been content being the small time media seller that they were, they could still be the moving force in linux. As it stands... they've created people like you and me. I won't use redhat because almost all my linux is on the server side at this point (and more accurately, all my server side is linux), and I can't deal with either $380/year, or a complete lack of updates after 6 months. Hell, $380/year is about 1/2 what I pay for my damn server and bandwidth.
Fedora Core 3 is probably great for desktop usage. It's easy to manage and looks good. Seriously, though, what are you going to do when there aren't any updates available?
This is my problem with redhat. They had a good business model and a loyal following, and they threw it away.
Mandrake sells theirs for $50. Novel has added hundreds of network applications that were developed for specific situations in a netware environment. Linspire's business model is just as dumb as redhat's. Apples, oranges.
It's not the same when you say Mandrake sells their distro, because they are selling you the media for $50. Redhat sells you the "subscription" for $180 PER YEAR.
Answer me this: Why are you distro hopping?
If you've been messing with linux as a casual user for several years, like most people, I'd bet it's because there isn't a RedHat anymore. Back in the late 90's and 2000-2001, everyone was using redhat. Everyone was customizing their desktop with redhat, everyone was downloading the latest Ximian, everyone was waiting on the next redhat to come out.
Then redhat fucked up.
Now people are distro hopping as you put it. They had the market cornered, and they were profitable selling the media and selling support when needed. They let their greed lead them straight into random obscurity, from having essentially a monopoly.