It didn't even occur to me that would happen, and If I'd have thought so, I wouldn't even have posted the link. I just wanted some good CAD software. We'll buy it if we have to, but we wanted to keep to our philosophy if we could.
I think the theory is to create spectacular-looking images to attract investors. Either that, or they're only faking a moon landing...
Well, Funny you should say that...
Actually, yes, we are wanting the Artists to create great donor/investment material, followed with good tools to keep the general public interested and educated.
And as far as faking it? Well no, what we are instead looking for ways to prove that we actually did it... (I know, feeding the trolls.)
At the same time, except for tax related issues (such as banks), I don't believe that and private individual or company can require that you give it.
But they can decide not to do business with you. Kind of a rough deal when you're trying to get power or a telephone or a net connect. I played this game for years, and had nothing but pain over it, and, interestingly, lousy credit even though I DO pay my bills on time...
Power supplies are a problem. Far too many companies use power bricks that plug directly into the socket, and block everything else. For such foolish designes, one-foot power extenders are very useful.
I like to use random 6" to 18" jumpers, or make my own octo connectors so that the wall warts don't all end up in the same place.
For this reason, I would say the only way the public would actually accept "public" photograph data as real deal, is if NASA "open-sourced" spacecraft broadcasting interface - frequencies, protocol, encoding, where to set up a dish, size of dish required - so that whoever actually doubts the authencity of such photos, may instead doubt whether NASA is faking a signal from the Moon that carries digital image data. After all, if the information is pubic, it is public. Nothing in the transmission is really secret or falls under NDA anyway? It involves radio waves, some archaic encoding scheme of some color channels and a wrapping protocol for transmission. The open-sourcing of the transmission would force the hoax game onto a whole new level of complexity, where it would not be so easy for the skeptics to cry fake.
As "rlseaman" said, OpenSource isn't the right term, I would say open protocols and standards, with all data sent in the clear. (You'd have to keep a secured control channel though.)
But hearing a nasa researcher say that with nowadays technology it will take about 20 years of r&d to put someone on the moon... well...that stinks. They lost most of contractors projects... schemes...everything... that's a nice scientific way of conducting a mission/experiment... not.
NASA may say it'll take 20 years, What a crock. Come join us, we'll do it in 5-7, and for some $500M-$700M. No BS.
What I find interesting is that most of the comments are about the "hoax" hoax, a few about how long it took, and not many about how very cool this tech is? Are we really that jaded?
I for one think it's very cool. And I am looking forward to seeing the hardware.
I'm also looking forward to using the date to help plan our mission.
Oh, and you have to believe we can go and have gone, because most of our present condition data requires that... (Unless you like one way trips to the unknown.)
...the simple fact that lawyers exist should logically mean that ignorance of the law is a valid excuse.
It sometimes is, especially when dealing with tax law and the like.
It the founding days in the US, Ignorance of the law/was/ an excuse. "If a law is so complicated and convoluted as to not be easily understood by the common man, it should not be law"
Then the GD bloodsucking lawyers showed up...
In my life, I've only meet one lawyer that was worth their salt. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't extract the salt out of the rest of them...
Agreed. They will come in with a warrant to take all computing equipment and data storage devices, and empty your house of everything (Including store bought DVDs), and trash half of it on the way. (House included.) This happened to someone I know - And it really was someone on the open WiFi. They never found who, they finally gave him his (mostly ruined) gear back after six months.
When they come knocking They won't be looking at MAC addresses...
I saw a study last year (Dont ask me to cite it, it was last year. Check "New Scientist" or something like it.) that stated that a 3 person human crew could have covered all the distance, and done better science than either of the rovers in two weeks... Sure, at an order of magnitude more expense, but still less than the bank bribes - um - I mean bailouts...
Uh, most people don't travel around by military march. The individual, taking his time, walks at 3 mph. A fit individual walking briskly moves at about 4 mph. A power-walker covers ground at 5-6 mph. I know these things because I used to cover around 100 miles on foot every week, for exercise and exploratory purposes.
The GP post is kind of odd, because 4mph is the military standard, and 6 for quick marches...
If I, as a layman, can design a 3 person vehicle that gets 180 miles to the gallon (of biodiesel) based on existing designs and current technology, what exactly is the holdup?
It's called "Safety", and lawyers, and insurance companies. When you can build a car that can tolerate the impacts that the insurance companies, lawyers and screaming public demand, and still hit those performance levels, with the other "features" (Like A/C) that the purchasing public demands and do so at a price that people will pay, we'll see.
And lets not forget the government's, oil companies, and Unioneers favorite triplets, Greed, Graft and Corruption... They will probably prevent the construction of such a vehicle until their "needs" are met.
Please stop responding to SPAM. If no one responds to it, then they won't make any money and they'll stop.
I would much rather start shooting them. Or perhaps public disemboweling. That sounds fun...
If the Govts really wanted to, they could stop spam, just follow the money, and start shooting them. Once that became public, the spammers would stop, and the advertisers (Many of which I think are actually the spammers, I mean, how many V1@GARA vendors are there?) will realize that their ads aren't being read, and they'll stop going to the spammers, and the whole thing'll die. (Ha punny:)
I know, the Russians are getting their kickbacks, and the Chinese don't give a damn one way or another, still, it's a fun fantasy...
Now, if you DID lock them in, and then proceeded to finish one's several-week journey... well, I hope they brought food and water with them. It'd be like Survivor, in some dingy corridors, with rifles and angry pirates.
So would this. Sadly, ironically this is called kidnapping.
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Yup, That's kinda cool.
Actually, we have a large number more than that. That page is just the team leaders. Stop wining and come help.
It didn't even occur to me that would happen, and If I'd have thought so, I wouldn't even have posted the link. I just wanted some good CAD software. We'll buy it if we have to, but we wanted to keep to our philosophy if we could.
Thank you...
I think the theory is to create spectacular-looking images to attract investors. Either that, or they're only faking a moon landing...
Well, Funny you should say that...
Actually, yes, we are wanting the Artists to create great donor/investment material, followed with good tools to keep the general public interested and educated.
And as far as faking it? Well no, what we are instead looking for ways to prove that we actually did it... (I know, feeding the trolls.)
Hey! Hope springs eternal!!
With any luck, they won't get close enough to a working rocket to actually kill anybody,
Well, actually, we have flying hardware, and several working professionals on the team, so Yes we have hope, and we will have some victory as well.
Duke Nukem Forever... (The Eternity Edition)
Like that would be the first time someone passed an illegal law.
(Or even cared what the existing law was...)
At the same time, except for tax related issues (such as banks), I don't believe that and private individual or company can require that you give it.
But they can decide not to do business with you. Kind of a rough deal when you're trying to get power or a telephone or a net connect. I played this game for years, and had nothing but pain over it, and, interestingly, lousy credit even though I DO pay my bills on time...
Power supplies are a problem. Far too many companies use power bricks that plug directly into the socket, and block everything else. For such foolish designes, one-foot power extenders are very useful.
I like to use random 6" to 18" jumpers, or make my own octo connectors so that the wall warts don't all end up in the same place.
For this reason, I would say the only way the public would actually accept "public" photograph data as real deal, is if NASA "open-sourced" spacecraft broadcasting interface - frequencies, protocol, encoding, where to set up a dish, size of dish required - so that whoever actually doubts the authencity of such photos, may instead doubt whether NASA is faking a signal from the Moon that carries digital image data. After all, if the information is pubic, it is public. Nothing in the transmission is really secret or falls under NDA anyway? It involves radio waves, some archaic encoding scheme of some color channels and a wrapping protocol for transmission. The open-sourcing of the transmission would force the hoax game onto a whole new level of complexity, where it would not be so easy for the skeptics to cry fake.
As "rlseaman" said, OpenSource isn't the right term, I would say open protocols and standards, with all data sent in the clear. (You'd have to keep a secured control channel though.)
Which is exactly what http://www.openluna.org/wiki/index.php/Mission_Plan intends to do, Send back every bit of data open and clear. The world's paying for it, the world should have the data.
But hearing a nasa researcher say that with nowadays technology it will take about 20 years of r&d to put someone on the moon... well ...that stinks.
They lost most of contractors projects... schemes...everything... that's a nice scientific way of conducting a mission/experiment... not.
NASA may say it'll take 20 years, What a crock. Come join us, we'll do it in 5-7, and for some $500M-$700M. No BS.
What I find interesting is that most of the comments are about the "hoax" hoax, a few about how long it took, and not many about how very cool this tech is? Are we really that jaded?
I for one think it's very cool. And I am looking forward to seeing the hardware.
I'm also looking forward to using the date to help plan our mission.
http://www.openluna.org/wiki/index.php/People_needed Announce what you can do, then dig in and start doing it...
Oh, and you have to believe we can go and have gone, because most of our present condition data requires that... (Unless you like one way trips to the unknown.)
Then join us, maybe you'll get to go...
Oh Gawd, where are my mod points when I need them!!!!
It sometimes is, especially when dealing with tax law and the like.
It the founding days in the US, Ignorance of the law /was/ an excuse. "If a law is so complicated and convoluted as to not be easily understood by the common man, it should not be law"
Then the GD bloodsucking lawyers showed up...
In my life, I've only meet one lawyer that was worth their salt. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't extract the salt out of the rest of them...
I wish I could mod this funny...
Agreed. They will come in with a warrant to take all computing equipment and data storage devices, and empty your house of everything (Including store bought DVDs), and trash half of it on the way. (House included.) This happened to someone I know - And it really was someone on the open WiFi. They never found who, they finally gave him his (mostly ruined) gear back after six months.
When they come knocking They won't be looking at MAC addresses...
I saw a study last year (Dont ask me to cite it, it was last year. Check "New Scientist" or something like it.) that stated that a 3 person human crew could have covered all the distance, and done better science than either of the rovers in two weeks... Sure, at an order of magnitude more expense, but still less than the bank bribes - um - I mean bailouts...
Uh, most people don't travel around by military march. The individual, taking his time, walks at 3 mph. A fit individual walking briskly moves at about 4 mph. A power-walker covers ground at 5-6 mph. I know these things because I used to cover around 100 miles on foot every week, for exercise and exploratory purposes.
The GP post is kind of odd, because 4mph is the military standard, and 6 for quick marches...
If I, as a layman, can design a 3 person vehicle that gets 180 miles to the gallon (of biodiesel) based on existing designs and current technology, what exactly is the holdup?
It's called "Safety", and lawyers, and insurance companies. When you can build a car that can tolerate the impacts that the insurance companies, lawyers and screaming public demand, and still hit those performance levels, with the other "features" (Like A/C) that the purchasing public demands and do so at a price that people will pay, we'll see.
And lets not forget the government's, oil companies, and Unioneers favorite triplets, Greed, Graft and Corruption... They will probably prevent the construction of such a vehicle until their "needs" are met.
Hey, My desktop box is water cooled just 'cause it's quiet. Isn't that enough of a reason?
(How else am I going to hear Rick?)
Please stop responding to SPAM. If no one responds to it, then they won't make any money and they'll stop.
I would much rather start shooting them. Or perhaps public disemboweling. That sounds fun...
If the Govts really wanted to, they could stop spam, just follow the money, and start shooting them. Once that became public, the spammers would stop, and the advertisers (Many of which I think are actually the spammers, I mean, how many V1@GARA vendors are there?) will realize that their ads aren't being read, and they'll stop going to the spammers, and the whole thing'll die. (Ha punny :)
I know, the Russians are getting their kickbacks, and the Chinese don't give a damn one way or another, still, it's a fun fantasy...
Unfortunately, it would be pretty illegal.
Now, if you DID lock them in, and then proceeded to finish one's several-week journey... well, I hope they brought food and water with them. It'd be like Survivor, in some dingy corridors, with rifles and angry pirates.
So would this. Sadly, ironically this is called kidnapping.