If by "fit" you mean, "works worse than any other option" for some of these fixtures. Just look at -any- of the built-in Windows 8 apps and tell me you cannot find a better resource somewhere else, for FREE. Oh an the furniture Windows gives you has ads for... other pieces of furniture in your home.
On top of having to overpay to buy a Mac (for whatever reason, I guess the screens are nice?) you then want to turn around and pay more money for a windows license to put on a Mac?
Do you honestly advocate this? Do people let you near their computers??
No, I mean it's silly to say that getting a college degree is akin to "sheep going to the slaughterhouse". I agree that college degrees aren't really worth much.
You just sounded silly taking a fine statement and stapling some hyperbole with it.
Businesses expecting fresh graduates to have received (and paid for) training in technology-dejour is a disturbing trend in the software industry.
As someone who has just escaped the worst of this (about to hit 30), I have noticed a lot of my younger friends are running into this very problem. They completed 5 years of University and are expected to come out having 5+ years of relevant C#/Lang_of_Choice working experience, oh and also a Bachelor's, oh and ALSO lets not consider people after 30.
But you don't have to know what obscure codepath (and the resulting fix if it's a strange enough edge-case) the program is taking to unearth this bug - you just know the strange steps you had to do to reproduce the bug.
While I will not debate the fact that Software Testing is an important job (protecting my own job here), it's also not the hardest job you can do. Sure you can make it complex when you get into running test labs and automating your approaches, but it's nothing that you shouldn't be able to pick up on within a year.
The problem with teaching testing methodology is most often you resort to having to teach the theory behind testing. What goes does knowing how to best tackle things like equivalence partitioning when you don't even know the basics of C#? And if you know how to write code, you probably already understand the things that make Software Testing "hard". I'd have to agree with the sentiment that, while there are some people out there that do enjoy testing, the majority of people "in test" are just here as they transition to/from dev.
Also I've been hearing rumors around the board that certain big-houses like Microsoft are just getting rid of test; everyone will be a "integrated developer" in due time - you test what you dev and dev what you test.
Just because a Head Chef job is really rough, doesn't mean that the IT job is any less rough.
What was the point of this other to say: other jobs are hard too?
Our current pay/benefits system doesn't adequately compensate those who are doing actual hard work, but that doesn't mean the plight of the IT/Head Chef is any less... plighty. We can always hope for better, if even we are being unrealistic about our expectations.
I used to work on call as tech support for a chain of restaurants in WA state.
I now work as a SDET under contract in an office. I cannot tell you the amount of joy I feel every day at 5:01pm, when I cease to exist to the company until 9am the next day.
$4k a month? Not shitty pay.
$4k a month for 24/7 on-call access? Shitty pay.
Hours in a (30 day) month: 720.
$4k for that entire month works out to about $5.50 an hour.
Of course this is a little silly to think that you will be working all 24 hours of every single day, but even if you cut out the weekends (I'll say 9 weekends in a 30 day month) this means you're working 504 hours, which works out to be almost $8 an hour.
Even if we break this down further and say, nobody will call you on the weekends or late night (HA), giving you a "simple" 12 hour work day you end up working 252 hours, which works out to be $15/hr.
Nobody is saying $4k isn't a nice chunk of change to bring home every day, but consider this: if he was working a normal 40 hour workweek (more like 50 knowing the IT field), he would be making $23 an hour - which is a pretty decent salary... for someone who's working 40 hours a week in an office.
You have no sympathy because I'm not sure you really understands what it means to be on-call 24 hours a day.
I don't honestly know a lot about how the workings of the internet goes (past the basic of what DNS is and how that all works), but could ISPs reliably determine something like this without privacy concerns?
You can't reload that fast because it would break balance, oddly enough - not all realism is fun. That's why it's fun to shoot your buddy in the literal face in Counter-Strike, but probably not as fun when you see that in real life.
So other than the cool songs it had, does anyone really think Ducktales was some great game? I can only remember vague memories of it as a child, and while I liked it - I also liked just about any video game at the time.
Not that it's really doing to cost them a ton of money to make this, but I wonder if there wasn't another old classic they could have remastered that has more appeal than a game with a single (really good) memorable song.
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If by "fit" you mean, "works worse than any other option" for some of these fixtures. Just look at -any- of the built-in Windows 8 apps and tell me you cannot find a better resource somewhere else, for FREE. Oh an the furniture Windows gives you has ads for... other pieces of furniture in your home.
This is a dumb metaphor.
On top of having to overpay to buy a Mac (for whatever reason, I guess the screens are nice?) you then want to turn around and pay more money for a windows license to put on a Mac?
Do you honestly advocate this? Do people let you near their computers??
What happens when you call paid support?
Is it someone just googling your problem for you, or...?
When it was released, one of the big selling points were that it was super cheap, $40 for the upgrade.
But they hiked the price back up after those first few months, if I remember correctly, win8 oem is back up to $100 for some asinine reason.
B...brain surgeon?
No, I mean it's silly to say that getting a college degree is akin to "sheep going to the slaughterhouse". I agree that college degrees aren't really worth much.
You just sounded silly taking a fine statement and stapling some hyperbole with it.
Also, backup account? wtf?
What is the difference? (I probably should know this.)
Developers unit test their code, and smoke test the product, surely? That's the job of a developer.
While it's the /job/ the developer, I can say that once you're in the real-world - not all developers decide to go this route.
[..] a piece of paper from college does not prove anything actually at this point[...]
Amen to that..
except that you are a sheep that goes to the slaughterhouse with the rest of the herd.
Whoops and now you sound silly.
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I don't know what exactly you do but I feel strangely tempted to offer you a job.
Businesses expecting fresh graduates to have received (and paid for) training in technology-dejour is a disturbing trend in the software industry.
As someone who has just escaped the worst of this (about to hit 30), I have noticed a lot of my younger friends are running into this very problem. They completed 5 years of University and are expected to come out having 5+ years of relevant C#/Lang_of_Choice working experience, oh and also a Bachelor's, oh and ALSO lets not consider people after 30.
But you don't have to know what obscure codepath (and the resulting fix if it's a strange enough edge-case) the program is taking to unearth this bug - you just know the strange steps you had to do to reproduce the bug.
Holy poop I forgot any sense of linebreaks. Please be gentle :( I promise I meant to put them in.
While I will not debate the fact that Software Testing is an important job (protecting my own job here), it's also not the hardest job you can do. Sure you can make it complex when you get into running test labs and automating your approaches, but it's nothing that you shouldn't be able to pick up on within a year. The problem with teaching testing methodology is most often you resort to having to teach the theory behind testing. What goes does knowing how to best tackle things like equivalence partitioning when you don't even know the basics of C#? And if you know how to write code, you probably already understand the things that make Software Testing "hard". I'd have to agree with the sentiment that, while there are some people out there that do enjoy testing, the majority of people "in test" are just here as they transition to/from dev. Also I've been hearing rumors around the board that certain big-houses like Microsoft are just getting rid of test; everyone will be a "integrated developer" in due time - you test what you dev and dev what you test.
These numbers were pulled out of my butt (in reference to what an "ok salary" is), but the rest of the math remains the same.
Just because a Head Chef job is really rough, doesn't mean that the IT job is any less rough.
What was the point of this other to say: other jobs are hard too?
Our current pay/benefits system doesn't adequately compensate those who are doing actual hard work, but that doesn't mean the plight of the IT/Head Chef is any less... plighty. We can always hope for better, if even we are being unrealistic about our expectations.
I used to work on call as tech support for a chain of restaurants in WA state.
I now work as a SDET under contract in an office. I cannot tell you the amount of joy I feel every day at 5:01pm, when I cease to exist to the company until 9am the next day.
$4k a month? Not shitty pay.
$4k a month for 24/7 on-call access? Shitty pay.
Hours in a (30 day) month: 720.
$4k for that entire month works out to about $5.50 an hour.
Of course this is a little silly to think that you will be working all 24 hours of every single day, but even if you cut out the weekends (I'll say 9 weekends in a 30 day month) this means you're working 504 hours, which works out to be almost $8 an hour.
Even if we break this down further and say, nobody will call you on the weekends or late night (HA), giving you a "simple" 12 hour work day you end up working 252 hours, which works out to be $15/hr.
Nobody is saying $4k isn't a nice chunk of change to bring home every day, but consider this: if he was working a normal 40 hour workweek (more like 50 knowing the IT field), he would be making $23 an hour - which is a pretty decent salary... for someone who's working 40 hours a week in an office.
You have no sympathy because I'm not sure you really understands what it means to be on-call 24 hours a day.
I don't honestly know a lot about how the workings of the internet goes (past the basic of what DNS is and how that all works), but could ISPs reliably determine something like this without privacy concerns?
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You can't reload that fast because it would break balance, oddly enough - not all realism is fun. That's why it's fun to shoot your buddy in the literal face in Counter-Strike, but probably not as fun when you see that in real life.
LOVE IT.
So other than the cool songs it had, does anyone really think Ducktales was some great game? I can only remember vague memories of it as a child, and while I liked it - I also liked just about any video game at the time.
Not that it's really doing to cost them a ton of money to make this, but I wonder if there wasn't another old classic they could have remastered that has more appeal than a game with a single (really good) memorable song.
Your busy day that involves: facebook.
Sounds like a real busy day indeed!