Half of those excuses are just people being bigoted against mormons, but the other half look like complaints about actual mormons being elitist against non members.
There is a difference between the two, namely in who is being the jerk. It is wise not to confuse the two.
Indeed. Mostly I wanted to point out that privacy is hardly the biggest thing at stake when you share a password.
It is wrong and therefore should be illegal, even more so because of this.
People who think that exposing their marital status, sexual orientation, political affiliation, and so on to a nosy boss is bad enough need to realize that giving someone your house keys so they can snoop around also lets them set up a meth lab in your basement and then put the blame on you if the feds ever find out about it.
Similiarly, forking over the passwords can do a lot more damage than simply rob you of privacy. It also gives a vindictive or oppressive boss leverage against you that they can use to set you up if you displease them.
It isn't even a theoretical case. It actually happened when a disgruntled worker hacked his boss's computer with CP and then turned him in to the feds. It took a very long time before the hack was discovered, and the damage had already been done thoroughly enough that it was still mission accomplished even after the hacker was busted.
Considering this was possible with a hack job, I can only begin to imagine what is possible when you blow the gates wide open by forking over your password.
I'm still not giving them the keys to my social life.
It's like giving them the keys to my house.
Even if I don't care about my privacy I still don't want some two bit stranger setting up a meth lab in my place.
Similiarly, I don't want someone else having a chance to plant CP on my facebook because I blew the whistle on something. Or friending me to a pack of hotties and then threatening to call my wife if I won't work during christmas.
See how forking over my password can put more than just my privacy in the toilet?
Even if I don't care who reads my personal affairs, only I should be the author of it.
Hell, giving out a password is granting WRITE access.
If I'm your boss and I have your facebook password...I can set you up for any crime I see fit.
You don't want to work overtime? Fine, I'll just log into your facebook and friend you to some hotties and then threaten to call your wife. Don't want to cover up for a blatant case of fraud? Fine, I'll just plant CP on your facebook and call the cops.
People ranting and raving about intrusions into privacy are overlooking this. It grants a HELL of a lot more than just a sneak peek at your personal life. It also gives your boss leverage to set you up or tinker with your account.
I will never give out my facebook password simply because it does a hell of a lot more than let them snoop around.
They know damn fucking well they are stickign their nose where it doesn't belong.
Thing is they know that most people are desperate enough for a job that they can get away with it.
And legal probably doesn't reign it in because they know most people desperate enough to cough it up in the first place are also submissive enough not to make a stink about it, and that people with enough of a backbone to refuse aren't going to wind up on the payroll in the first place.
Unions are not the answer, though they can be a good karmic backlash when people want them badly enough.
The answer is more jobs. Bosses should have to fight for labor just like their companies fight for customers. Labor is a resource, and as such it should be subject to the open market like anything else in capitalism.
When asshole bosses get away with being jerks because their victims don't have a choice to flip them the bird and go elsewhere, it indicates a shortage in the labor market.
Oddly enough, we have a price floor called minimum wage. I'd rather replace it with some form of welfare. If the purpose of minimum wage is to keep workers from being shafted, why make the company itself foot the bill? After all, when someone can simply say "fuck it, you're not worth what I'm paying you" and fire you, the real minimum wage is actually zero.
Burdening a business with a floor on the payroll bills stifles creation of new jobs. If you lower minimum wage, more businesses will want to hire.
Of course wages can suck, and people need to eat. So be decent and help them out. But screwing with the labor market's invisible hand is not the answer. A boost on the EIC and wage matching or something like that would give the same benefits without the adverse side effects on a company's payroll.
Payroll is a HUGE item on the budget of a business. Even bigger for someone looking to start their own business.
And anyone wanting to scream at me for advocating the abolishment of minimum wage, pay attention to the fact that I'm advocating the shortage in wages be offset by comparable benefits that don't take a bite out of a company's budget.
It's called having a hungry desperate job applicant by the balls and not having much competition for their time.
If I have something you're desperate for (a job), I'm in a position to make you pay through the nose to get it (your soul).
A good remedy is to bring competition into the job market, and make it so that someone else could sell you a job (or conversely, buy your labor) under more favorable conditions.
In a booming labor market, asshole bosses will find themselves deprived of labor if they have to fight for it by being nicer than their competition. In a down economy where jobs are scarce, you can be a jerk and get away with it.
In most cases your boss has sovereign immunity of a sort in that they represent the people who own the computer.
Kinda like how Terry Childs only coughed up the password to the mayor and nobody else.
Unfortunately, as his trial proves, doing the right thing isn't always in your own interest and someone in a better bargaining position is free to punish you for not kowtowing to his demands.
Any employer stupid or abusive enough to ask you for your facebook password is also going to be stubborn enough to send you packing from his office if you don't cough it up, and isn't going to give a rat's ass about why.
Unless you're desperate for a job and thus vulnerable to this sort of manipulation of bending over and selling your soul, your best bet is to jump ship and let the bastard sink.
When the powers that be let the elite get away with things while cracking down on joe blow and throwing the book at him, you have selective enforcement.
Powerful companies seeing the writing on the wall of the unemployed and taking advantage of our desperation to grab us by the balls and try to force us to cough up our souls.
You were not the boss, so your opinion really didn't mean shit.
Unfortunately the guy above you in the chain of command is always right in the practical sense that saying otherwise can cost you your job and, whether or not the ship hits an iceberg and sinks, you'll drown faster if you get thrown off the plank for mutiny.
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Just enforcing the existing standards of "novel and not obvious" will go plenty far.
We don't need new laws. We need to enforce the ones we've got.
And the fact that we aren't just proves that more toothless laws won't do any good.
Fox news can't put a gun to your head and threaten to shoot you if you don't vote right.
If you read closer, my statement was qualified as a response to a previous statement that was conditional.
My statement stands regardless of which religion is doing it though.
Half of those excuses are just people being bigoted against mormons, but the other half look like complaints about actual mormons being elitist against non members.
There is a difference between the two, namely in who is being the jerk. It is wise not to confuse the two.
Indeed. Mostly I wanted to point out that privacy is hardly the biggest thing at stake when you share a password.
It is wrong and therefore should be illegal, even more so because of this.
People who think that exposing their marital status, sexual orientation, political affiliation, and so on to a nosy boss is bad enough need to realize that giving someone your house keys so they can snoop around also lets them set up a meth lab in your basement and then put the blame on you if the feds ever find out about it.
Similiarly, forking over the passwords can do a lot more damage than simply rob you of privacy. It also gives a vindictive or oppressive boss leverage against you that they can use to set you up if you displease them.
It isn't even a theoretical case. It actually happened when a disgruntled worker hacked his boss's computer with CP and then turned him in to the feds. It took a very long time before the hack was discovered, and the damage had already been done thoroughly enough that it was still mission accomplished even after the hacker was busted.
Considering this was possible with a hack job, I can only begin to imagine what is possible when you blow the gates wide open by forking over your password.
Because I signed up for one in the days before their chicanery became known.
And because when I found out later and tried to delete it, they refused to purge it.
I felt rather like a mouse struggling to get out of a trap after it had already sprung.
Waiting for actual harm is folly if what you're trying to stop is actually wrong.
Kinda smacks of "one free bite" laws where vicious dogs get away once with mauling someone.
Simply the fact that there's an incentive to do something bad is reason enough in my book to stop it.
I'm still not giving them the keys to my social life.
It's like giving them the keys to my house.
Even if I don't care about my privacy I still don't want some two bit stranger setting up a meth lab in my place.
Similiarly, I don't want someone else having a chance to plant CP on my facebook because I blew the whistle on something. Or friending me to a pack of hotties and then threatening to call my wife if I won't work during christmas.
See how forking over my password can put more than just my privacy in the toilet?
Even if I don't care who reads my personal affairs, only I should be the author of it.
Hell, giving out a password is granting WRITE access.
If I'm your boss and I have your facebook password...I can set you up for any crime I see fit.
You don't want to work overtime? Fine, I'll just log into your facebook and friend you to some hotties and then threaten to call your wife. Don't want to cover up for a blatant case of fraud? Fine, I'll just plant CP on your facebook and call the cops.
People ranting and raving about intrusions into privacy are overlooking this. It grants a HELL of a lot more than just a sneak peek at your personal life. It also gives your boss leverage to set you up or tinker with your account.
I will never give out my facebook password simply because it does a hell of a lot more than let them snoop around.
And what will you do with the guy who sees your request as horseshit and walks out the door?
They know damn fucking well they are stickign their nose where it doesn't belong.
Thing is they know that most people are desperate enough for a job that they can get away with it.
And legal probably doesn't reign it in because they know most people desperate enough to cough it up in the first place are also submissive enough not to make a stink about it, and that people with enough of a backbone to refuse aren't going to wind up on the payroll in the first place.
The internet IS interstate commerce.
Interesting how they claim "interstate commerce" as an excuse to meddle, but when something good comes along they conveniently lose their balls.
Very good way to wind up on a blacklist.
And blacklists being illegal doesn't stop people from doing it. For that you need teeth on the laws.
Unfortunately the dentists are on the take with bribes from the same companies maintaining those blacklists.
Unions are not the answer, though they can be a good karmic backlash when people want them badly enough.
The answer is more jobs. Bosses should have to fight for labor just like their companies fight for customers. Labor is a resource, and as such it should be subject to the open market like anything else in capitalism.
When asshole bosses get away with being jerks because their victims don't have a choice to flip them the bird and go elsewhere, it indicates a shortage in the labor market.
Oddly enough, we have a price floor called minimum wage. I'd rather replace it with some form of welfare. If the purpose of minimum wage is to keep workers from being shafted, why make the company itself foot the bill? After all, when someone can simply say "fuck it, you're not worth what I'm paying you" and fire you, the real minimum wage is actually zero.
Burdening a business with a floor on the payroll bills stifles creation of new jobs. If you lower minimum wage, more businesses will want to hire.
Of course wages can suck, and people need to eat. So be decent and help them out. But screwing with the labor market's invisible hand is not the answer. A boost on the EIC and wage matching or something like that would give the same benefits without the adverse side effects on a company's payroll.
Payroll is a HUGE item on the budget of a business. Even bigger for someone looking to start their own business.
And anyone wanting to scream at me for advocating the abolishment of minimum wage, pay attention to the fact that I'm advocating the shortage in wages be offset by comparable benefits that don't take a bite out of a company's budget.
It's called having a hungry desperate job applicant by the balls and not having much competition for their time.
If I have something you're desperate for (a job), I'm in a position to make you pay through the nose to get it (your soul).
A good remedy is to bring competition into the job market, and make it so that someone else could sell you a job (or conversely, buy your labor) under more favorable conditions.
In a booming labor market, asshole bosses will find themselves deprived of labor if they have to fight for it by being nicer than their competition. In a down economy where jobs are scarce, you can be a jerk and get away with it.
Not quite always.
In most cases your boss has sovereign immunity of a sort in that they represent the people who own the computer.
Kinda like how Terry Childs only coughed up the password to the mayor and nobody else.
Unfortunately, as his trial proves, doing the right thing isn't always in your own interest and someone in a better bargaining position is free to punish you for not kowtowing to his demands.
Any employer stupid or abusive enough to ask you for your facebook password is also going to be stubborn enough to send you packing from his office if you don't cough it up, and isn't going to give a rat's ass about why.
Unless you're desperate for a job and thus vulnerable to this sort of manipulation of bending over and selling your soul, your best bet is to jump ship and let the bastard sink.
I think that babies learned it from cats :)
I think that you should starve if you refuse to feed yourself.
I do *not* think you should starve if you simply fail but still try.
There is a LOT of shit that needs done, and there is plenty of work for everyone.
Sadly, two things
1) our governments are bureaucratic numbskulls with their heads up their asses
2) the elite LOVE having the disadvantaged by the testicles and being in a position to force them to sell their souls for a pittance of pay.
Unfortunately it's called being vulnerable to companies grabbing you by the balls.
Laws don't mean shit if they aren't enforced.
When the powers that be let the elite get away with things while cracking down on joe blow and throwing the book at him, you have selective enforcement.
Powerful companies seeing the writing on the wall of the unemployed and taking advantage of our desperation to grab us by the balls and try to force us to cough up our souls.
And corporations are able to use this as leverage.
You were not the boss, so your opinion really didn't mean shit.
Unfortunately the guy above you in the chain of command is always right in the practical sense that saying otherwise can cost you your job and, whether or not the ship hits an iceberg and sinks, you'll drown faster if you get thrown off the plank for mutiny.