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Torvalds Uses Profanity To Lambaste Romney Remarks
netbuzz writes "Last night Linux creator Linus Torvalds took to his Google+ page and called Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney 'a f***ing moron.' Torvalds' stated reason? Romney's much-ridiculed suggestion that air passengers would be safer in emergencies if aircraft windows could be opened (a suggestion which some, including Snopes.com, have taken as a joke). Torvalds also recently called Mormonism, Romney's religion, 'bats**t crazy.' Is this just Linus being Linus? Or does such outspokenness on non-technical matters reflect poorly on the Linux community that Torvalds leads?"
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Since Linus is speaking honestly, he makes the entire community look good.
"If you're not passionate about your operating system, you're married to the wrong one."
I had no clue in Romney's tone or anything else he was joking.
For those having issues understanding the summary, here's the plain text:
'a f***ing moron' = ' a fucking moron'
'bats**t crazy' = 'batshit crazy'
Hope this helps.
If you want news from today, you have to come back tomorrow.
Straight talk - no bull shit. Kudos to Linus.
Would be nice if the summary mentioned that Linus actually apologized the next day. But I think Linus' original assessment was correct, never mind whether Romney was joking or not.
If my comment didn't sound as good in your head as it did in mine, then I guess we all know who's to blame
He'll be fine.. Just some relaxing meds and maybe a vacation.. ;)
Thank goodness Linus, the airplane fire expert, chimed in on this and put Romney in his place.
Also, his expertise in Mormonism and other religions makes his opinion very important.
Now I await CowboyNeal's input on carpet tack and today's topics will be fully covered by the experts.
"does such outspokenness on non-technical matters reflect poorly on the Linux community that Torvalds leads?"
Every member of the Linux community checks to see what Linus is wearing before getting dressed in the morning, right? No? Then why are you asking such an apparently stupid question?
Bask in it, motherfuckers.
he's not a leader, he's a coder, bug difference
and if their is one thing the OS community is, it's grassroots, no leader needed
It's not just for people who want to run tabloids, nasty art, junk music and girly magazines.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
People should point out the [epmoror|candidates] lack of clothing.
Linus is entitled to his opinions no matter how correct they are. However, I would go further and say that the two party system is largely staffed by fucking corrupt morons, and that if you think they are different you are batshit crazy. The two parties are just two arms of the *same machine*. Thank you.
Don't see how Torvalds expressing his personal opinion, and BTW mine as well should have any effect on Linux. Did he post it in the source code ? Did he preface the comment by as the admin for Linux ?
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
Or are the statements simply great and accurate?
I'm not saying they are or aren't, but this option was conspicuously absent from the options listed for how readers are allowed to feel about it (which were "should this be ignored, or does it suck").
Just sayin'.
- First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then ???, then profit.
EOM
It's hard to tell the difference these days between an outrageous Romney lie or a joke so I can see why he might take the windows on airplanes statement seriously.
I admire Linus for daring to speak his mind, in the language he does speak his mind, as a person of public interest (or how you call it). More people should do that, it's honest and you quickly learn where you stand, not only after interpreting the words this or that way and weighing the options.
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The problem is that the reporter that originally covered this (New York Times's Ashley Parker) has stated that Romney said it in the form of a joke and was not being serious. Seems like not being a moron is a fine line even for Linux creators.
Ashley’s response to the question:
The Los Angeles Times story that relayed Romney’s airplane remark to the world was based off a pool report written by the New York Times‘s Ashley Parker. When we asked Parker this morning whether it seemed as if Romney made the mark in jest, she left no doubt. “Romney was joking,” she e-mailed. Parker told us that while the pool report didn’t explicitly indicate that Romney was joking, it was self-evident that he was. ”The pool report provided the full transcript of his comments on Ann’s plane scare,” she said, “and it was clear from the context that he was not being serious.”
Irrelevant Person A criticizes Irrelevant Person B.
How is this news?
*Sob*
Leave Mitt-ney alone!!1
*Sob*
The Repubs lost the last election because they took a trip to crazy land. What's their strategy this year? Double down on the crazy and purge all remaining moderates.
The republican party does not respond to rational arguments. All you have left to do is shame them. More people need to speak out. Linus is just saying what we're all thinking. That and, you know, he's comes a Scandinavian country which are typically very far left and "social". Romney's political message is pure lunacy to anyone from that part of Europe.
Maybe if the Rs lose for six or seven consecutive terms they'll get a clue. Yes, I'm suggesting that you should vote against the republican party to save it. If you're a real conservative, you'll vote for someone else.
Profanity? From "profane"? Is language sacred now? Even if you think so, are you so immature that someone else's use of language constitutes offensive speech? Grow up (or as he might say, grow the FUCK up).
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What a loaded question. "Does it reflect badly and cause of loss of reputation", what... that someone calls a batshit crazy religion batshit crazy? Didn't hurt Mark Twain's reputation much.
http://www.salamandersociety.com/marktwain/
So I guess the answer is no.
I've come to learn that just about anyone who doesn't have a technical mind and doesn't program or work with linux/unix is in geral a f***ing moron from one degree to another.
I had no clue in Romney's tone or anything else he was joking.
It was obvious from his tone in the video (and from body language, and from his laughing while saying it) he was joking. The reporter who was actually there said he was joking. No rational person on earth thinks airplane windows should roll down.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I do agree with him in this sense: you shouldn't need to censor your personal thoughts just for political correctness. Or even "professionalism", as TFA asks for. Even if you're someone of popularity. It shouldn't reflect at all on the Linux community, in the same way Reiser FS didn't become complete shit after Hans' better judgement slipped away from him.
Could he have used more mature words? Sure. But does anyone really care?
Romney was not being serious, linked video and whatnot
Linus is a brilliant asshole and Romney is an incompetent Moron.
"does such outspokenness on non-technical matters reflect poorly on the Linux community that Torvalds leads?"
Every member of the Linux community checks to see what Linus is wearing before getting dressed in the morning, right? No? Then why are you asking such an apparently stupid question?
I assume it was from this part of the "article":
In the comments on that Google+ post, David Stilson, an IT professional from San Diego writes: "I am surprised to see all of these visceral attacks on Romney and each other. When did all the Linux nerds lose their logical approach to problem solving? People install Linux in part due to the fact that they are joining a community of supportive users. If you were new to Linux would you install it after reading these posts?"
Luckily for new Linux users, they don't have to go to Linus' Google+ page nor do they have to read through random comments on it to download a distribution of Linux. Furthermore people who participate in open source are still, believe it or not, allowed to be humans! (crazy, I know)
I'm sure if you read all of Steve Ballmer's personal e-mails and political statements you could say something equally vapid about Windows and all Microsoft products.
My work here is dung.
Some points:
1. All religion is bats**t crazy. Mormonism is just bats**t crazy with nuts on top.
2. Linus is probably one of the most important figures in the technology industry during the last 20 years or so. Because of that he is a public figure, so like Romney his offhand statements are bound to be criticized, analyzed, etc. He's much less of a public figure than most politicians so he probably isn't used to this as much, but I guess he'll have to. However, he's not a politician, he's a technical leader, so I think people *should* lay off analyzing such comments.
3. Linus is known for speaking his mind and being somewhat harsh. I don't think Linux would have happened otherwise. However, compared to RMS, Linus is a real gentleman.
It seems like it might reflect poorly on the Linux community if, you know, he were wrong.
Allowing aircraft windows to be opened is recipe for disaster, pressure and whatnot.
I've opened the window on a plane. I've even opened the door on a plane. If you are at a low enough altitude, it doesn't matter. Of course, I was on a plane that probably wouldn't make it to an altitude that is unsafe, but it was an aircraft and opening them was not a recipe for disaster. The damn thing had air vents!
I don't ask Romney to fix kernel bugs just as I don't look to Linux for political advice. Both should stick to what they know.
There is no "I disagree" mod for a reason. Flamebait, Troll, and Overrated are not substitutes.
All religion is "batshit crazy", from a strictly rational, hard scientific perspective.
And why does some random political G+ comment by Linus make Slashdot front page?
It is not unusual for emergency exit doors over wings to have windows in them. It is not unusual for normal boarding doors to have windows in them. There is nothing in engineering or science that precludes the idea of an airliner with pressure-rated window-doors that have an arm-able open for passengers. The only thing preventing aircraft designers from doing this is expense and weight. There's no reason it couldn't be done, just like there's no reason airbags couldn't be installed to prevent passenger injuries in crashes. At some point you make engineering tradeoffs. Romney isn't crazy for suggesting this. But an airplane manufacturer might be crazy to build one.
I swear they give me mod points to shut me up.
Romney is a politician who will say anything to get elected
To people who hate Democrats
He's the guy running against the Democrat..or as my father used to call them "dummy-craps"
BTW, I am a registered Democrat
Romney was not talking about opening windows in flight. He was concerning about passengers getting enough oxygen during a fire inflight. Read the original quotations.
This is just an example of public figures like Linus using half-baked sources like the Huffington Post as commentary. Linus Torvalds just dropped several notches in my book for not looking up the source.
Should keep their religious beliefs and their politics to themselves. For politicians, the latter is impossible, but the former should still apply. (that's why Republicans are somewhat more repulsive in this regard).
But, this is really a non-story in any case, neither Torvald's political opinions nor Romney's assessment of airplane windows should matter to us. (I mean if Clinton's assessment of blowjobs didn't affect his ability to act as President, then surely Romney's assessment of airplane windows couldn't either.)
your thin skin doesn't make me a troll
It's no more crazy than any other religion. Once you cross the magic man in the sky line, the other differences are trivial.
Linus is just saying what we are all thinking. The truth shall set you free.
In later news, it was announced that Bain Capital was opening a window-screen factory for aircraft in China.
bats**t crazy comes standard with religions. Why should Romney's be any different?
Linus who???
Stick to kernel dev man, you will be much better off there than as a political pundit for sure.
some of these conservatives don't even realize they act just like the extremist muslims.
While I completely agree with him (Linus). Profanity is a tool of a weak mind.
SJWs are the new boogeyman. -Me
"Or does such outspokenness on non-technical matters reflect poorly on the Linux community that Torvalds leads?"
It's been nearly a decade since Linus Torvalds actually led the Linux community.
And this is a good thing for the Linux community.
Linus does not get Mormon humor.
This is the Official Statement of the Open Source Community: The Open Source community is amorphous, and follows no leader. Thus, nobody is capable of making an Official Statement for the Open Source Community. This has been an Official Statement of the Open Source Comunity.
Bruce Perens.
Using a single cussword doesn't completely invalidate a criticism, if in fact it really is just a terse critique. What does invalidate it is ad hominem. Since the cusswords at issue in Linus' comments were adjectives for the words "moron" and "crazy", which pretty obviously are ad hominem, the profanity is really irrelevant. It's odd that everyone is obsessed with the profanity and cares nothing about the ad hominem that it delivered.
Well, there's no arrogance like that of an uninformed nerd. As a type-rated pilot (turboprops), I can tell you even pressurized planes do have windows, and partially for this purpose.
You're seriously asking whether anything a guy says reflects poorly on all individuals that use an operating system?
... I mean the totally rational, very scientific- and evidence-minded Slashdot posters. *Ahem*
"Is this just Linus being Linus? Or does such outspokenness on non-technical matters reflect poorly on the Linux community that Torvalds leads?"
Let me ask, is the fact that OP is a stuck up priggish asshole wasting out time just netbuzz being netbuzz or does thowing a hissy fit over a non-technical matter reflect poorly on the whole slashdot community?
Then 2012 apocalypse is for real... lol
If all candidates are incompetent, choose the one that is most open minded. We don't need to go back to the dark ages.
Linus moved to America just so he can have this type of freedom of speech.
In his native country he could be jailed for such talk.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Finland+freedom+speech
Political correctness and corporate organisational conformity is a mutilation of the human psyche: let the "profanity" continue. If it reflects badly on the community so be it. I can't see how anyone in a free society would prefer censorship to a bad reputation.
I'm very pleased with Linus's comments even if they won't be taken well, we just need more known people to say stuff like that and maybe the crazies who believe in Mitt Romney will start listening
Actually, there's also a magic underwear line.
What does Romney know about political advice?
And then apologizes the next day because the idiot on MSNBC got it wrong.
And we wonder why politicians never speak their minds about anything under any circumstances.
Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
Sorry, I think you may have gotten it wrong. From my understanding, Linus was stating a well-established fact -- that Romney is a fucking mor[m]on. Simple typo; he knows genius when he sees it.
Forward! -- Emperor Norton, 2012
When is the next election? He's really done it to himself this time.
I heard that Stallman once killed a girl in 1990 (He never specifically denied it.) This reflects very poorly on Linus as a FOSS contributor.
I'd just like to know what Bill Gates would have to say about this, and how everyone thinks this would reflect on the Windows community.
Furthermore, I think I'd have to cut off all ties completely with the Yahoo community if Marissa Mayer were to join in this debate!
I wait with bated breath.
Hej! Nasi tu byli!
Mr. Romney himself has said: "It's a terrible course for America to stand in apology for its values." Thus, no doubt he would condemn Mr. Torvalds apology as "appeasing our enemies".
Bruce Perens.
I don't hear Bill Nye being a pussy and apologizing for calling it like it is.
He called a sitting US Congressman a "fucking idiot" for his pseudo-scientific beliefs and followers of creationism "fucking retarded".
Run for President, Bill. We need you.
I don't think he's serious about the windows on an aircraft, and anyone who does needs his head examined.
Having said that, I'm not hiring him to be in charge of aircraft design. Nor am I hiring a religious leader. (Noted because I think mormonism is pretty odd too.)
We're considering him for a president. I'd rather debate on his policy, record, etc. And I'm not claiming to agree with all of it or think highly of him on these merits, but this is the domain we need to be in, not the "batshit crazy."
It's easy to attack and make fun of these guys -- nearly all past and present political figures. I enjoy it too. But I don't make decisions based on it.
I don't ask Romney to fix kernel bugs just as I don't look to Linux for political advice. Both should stick to what they know.
You imply that Romney is a source for political advice. The current (supposedly left-leaning but maybe not) polls speak otherwise.
Europeans are, in general, less sensitive, and have a better sense of humor than Americans. They tend to be both succint and insightful.
Political correctness on this side of the ocean means that both sides of every issue are often given equal merit when it is not deserved.
An American journalist, for example, might say that Obama has better foreign policy experience, and that without him the economy might have done slightly worse. A European might say that Romney is clueless about foreign affairs, adding that Republicans completely trashed the economy and Obama reversed much of their damage.
Linus' European-ness is what I admire about him. Consider also Richard Stallman's bluntness, and how much he offends people because he is always right, even if it takes people 20 years to figure it out.
So ... if you have anything to tell Romney, just say it the way you like it.
But if Romney is a Democrat, you sure ain't gonna use colorful descriptions such as "batshit crazy" or "fucking moron", or you will be chastised as "hateful" and whatever you say will be deemed as "hatespeech".
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Funny how conservatives are just like liberals in that way. Get off your high horse. Your herd sucks just as much as theirs.
In my experience, people who criticize Mormonism and call it "batshit insane" don't know anything about it other than "Magic Underwear! Har har har!" and the other tripe they've seen on TV. Nor do they actually know any Mormons. They don't know a thing about the history, the reasons why they do, or don't do, certain things.
It's pretty obnoxious. Mormons are good people - they have different values and traditions than a lot of others, and some of them are certainly weird from an outsider's perspective, but they're good people. You don't see Mormons blowing up buildings. They're more likely to be seen helping needy people - and not making a big deal out of it.
I'd rather live next to a dozen Mormon families than be surrounded by "trollololol spageti monster har har arent i funy" types.
And no, not those fringe cults that bonk 12 year old girls say they're Mormon - because they're not.
I'm sure I'll get flamed for daring to defend a Mormon though, because this is Slashdot and FSM forbid I actually, you know, say anything GOOD about religious people...
Love sees no species.
Oh, come on!! That's self-deprecating humor designed to make him seem endearing. Jesus. I'm so sick of the media manipulating and misrepresenting everything.
Hopefully they'll release Romney's source code.
Some of those leftists don't even realize they act just like the extremist muslims when they demand speech they dislike be stopped.
-- Will program for bandwidth
The Snopes article says Romney was perhaps joking though it isn't definitive.
The irony is palpable. Romney's camp is accusing his opponents of misquoting him, but the centerpiece of Romney's campaign against Obama is a misquote of Obama saying "Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen" where they cut out the first part so it says "If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen" - something very different.
Romney's camp can't have it both ways: If they want to run on the Obama misquote then how about they accept Romney doesn't understand why aircraft windows don't open.
And as usual, the real issues remain pushed to the sideline as too hard for an electorate who don't have an attention span that lasts long than a soundbite.
Politics, in the broader sense is the domain of everyone, not just the professional liars we call 'politicians.' Everyone has a right to have an opinion and to give input into the process of maintaining society. Linus has as much right to call Romney a fucking moron as Romney has to express the opinion that 47% of Americans are freeloaders.
As for using words that some people find offensive, they are just sounds - combinations of phonemes. There are few adjectives better than 'fucking' for expressing disgust and disrespect.
Seems Romney knows about the polls: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByJAC-sfXwumZzI2bVlON2VTMnFyYVZZSnpDYnNyQQ/edit?pli=1
Achille Talon
Hop!
"I don't want a president who looks like a game show host." - David Letterman
I don't ask Romney to fix kernel bugs just as I don't look to Linux for political advice. Both should stick to what they know.
You imply that Romney is a source for political advice. The current (supposedly left-leaning but maybe not) polls speak otherwise.
You are correct. Romney is not the best of politicians. His specialty is management. He has a record of taking things that are failing and turning them around. Bain Capital is an example as it was on the verge of bankruptcy when Romney took over as CEO. The Olympics are another example.
The least important part of a politicians job is politics. That's what gets him elected, but it has very little to do with how well he runs the executive branch. Obama has absolutely no managerial experience. I believe that's why we are stagnant on crap right now. Every job he ever had, he was part of a committee. He's never had to balance a budget, hire someone, promote someone, fire someone. He's never had to make the decision that will ruin the lives of 100's to save the jobs of thousands. He's never had to negotiate a debt settlement or make a function more efficient. Now he's in charge. When he's presented with a decision, he looks around to see how others are voting, but everyone else is just staring at him. He's a hell of a politician, but that doesn't run the country.
And credible polls like Gallup and Rasmussen show the race as a dead heat.
There is no "I disagree" mod for a reason. Flamebait, Troll, and Overrated are not substitutes.
Mitt Romney is dumb as a post, lacking in humlity, candor, and empathy.
Every time you see him interacting with someone on the campaign trail, his affect is never one of any sympathy, but just blindly spewing talking points to whatever question is asked, and if it especially important, he simply won't answer it, but go off on a tangent.
Linus is absolutely right, and a lot of people are afraid to point at Mittens and say the emperor is missing his shirt. Linus simply pointed out that not only is he missing his shirt, but he has not a stitch on, and his schwanzstucker is waving about for the kids to see.
More people need to be unafraid to point out stupidity for what it is. Maybe then the GOP would not be seen as the party of teatards, xenophobes, and sociopaths that it is today.
Good on Linus. Three cheers.
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BMO
I don't ask Romney to fix kernel bugs just as I don't look to Linux for political advice. Both should stick to what they know.
Agreed. Both should stay far away from the White House.
--Jeremy
Jesus was a liberal
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Software guy from Finland not fond of Republicans. Film at 11. Nobody's surprised, they're just surprised he said it. Now, can somebody please leave the mic on when Romney talks about bombing Iran and how that will stimulate the economy again? You know that's in his head, and if it isn't there some Cheney-esque lobbyist from the military-indsutrial complex will be sure it gets there. That's pretty much the no. 1 reason to vote Obama, no matter how much you hate the unions. Yes, public unions suck and are bankrupting one city after another; but they haven't gone on any $trillion killing sprees lately.
You want people to be silent their whole lives because they are famous? Even obviously unintentional fame?
I can't remember him making too many overt political statements before. And besides, I hope to even americans what he is saying is completely obvious. You understand the whole world follows your elections right? Whose fault is that???
You are talking about decisions made by what seems to be an at least 48% insane people, which has repercussions for the fate of humanity, in various ways. People in the rest of the world have no choice but to pay attention and have opinions on it - please do not mistake it for adoration. Do a fucking better job america and you wont have the founder of linux saying mean things about you on the internet. Yes, I guess in the end it doesn't matter.
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I don't ask Romney to fix kernel bugs just as I don't look to Linux for political advice. Both should stick to what they know.
The issue is that the comments come from Linus' personal G+ page. If they should "stick to what they know", then you're implying censorship. Fuck that, and fuck you for implying it.
Linus doesn't know they're both puppets of the same master? I thought he was smarter than that.
where was Linus when Obama was caught going to the right reverend Wright's hate church in Chicago for years, or decades? Is that just fine and dandy with him? I guess so, 'cause Obama is a democrat...
If this was Brazil, he'd be in jail for mocking politicians.
We had only a couple of days, a paper outlawing 'language abuse' in the EU as an anti-terror move. Requiring filtering, automatic language detection, crimes for saying things. Torvalds should be glad he is free to call Mitt Romney bat shit crazy, and I for one will defend his right to say it.
http://www.edri.org/files/cleanIT_sept2012.pdf
Read it, and before anyone says it was just a discussion document, it's not, it's a concrete set of action points in a secret document to which the UK police have already committed themselves.
>(a suggestion which some, including Snopes.com, have taken as a joke)
Snopes quotes The Blaze.
The Blaze is hardly unbiased. It is the mouthpiece of Glenn Beck. If The Blaze announced that there would be a full moon in the next month or that the sun would rise in the morning, I would check astronomical tables (or use Stellarium) to make sure.
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BMO
It was some NBC feed from Rachel Maddow. Having never seen that show before and having a strong distaste for politics and talking heads, I have concluded that:
a) He was joking.
b) Rachel Maddow is a bitch.
c) Linus probably got his opinion from her.
I don't support Romney or his religion, but I think Linus needs to chill out and not watch so much Rachel Maddow. That is one frustrated lesbian...
Way back yonder when I was a kid, me mum, father, the pomeranian and I were flying a Beechcraft Bonanza back from Miami in a weak hurricane. They were up front and I was in the back seat. For some reason or another I ended up holding the dog. As a kid, I had a tendency to fiddle with things, sometimes without regard to what they were. I had been fiddling with the window latch for a while, when suddenly, it actually opened. I completely froze, shocked and confused. The dog, with its sensitive ears began wailing horribly. My father, who was prone to anger, began yelling terribly too. A chorus of woe began as I sat there frozen with fright and guilt. My mum, the calmer of the bunch (the dog was a bit hyper too) began lurching toward me to close the window. Until she eventually succeeded in her efforts, the sound of the wind and screeching dog and yelling father went on for what seemed a bitter long time. I think even my mum began shrieking at my father before things were sorted out. It was a mess and I'd have a sore ass for it later.
Moral of the story? Opening windows during low-altitude flights can be interesting, but I'd rather it have been Linux.
Forward! -- Emperor Norton, 2012
You are free not to use it.
Don't mistake your robot fans coming to your defense as approval.
In the USA we tend to let people excercise religious freedom.
We have plenty of arguments, but we tend to view individuals that target an entire group of people with boorish comments as Nazi loving assholes.
Just remember we have troops deployed over their just in case one of you cocksuckers start that shit again.
P.s. go kill yourself you fat socialist pig.
The airplane you opened that window in was not pressurized. Airplanes that fly over 12,500 feet must have pressurized cabins, or supplemental oxygen from a breathing mask. The lack of air pressure makes it difficult or impossible to receive oxygen in non pressurized cabins. Opening a windows or a door at altitude while the cabin is pressured would be very bad, and dangerous.
Flying small airplanes or helicopters at low altitude with open doors, windows or doors removed is not a problem at all. I do it all the time.
Mythbusters did an episode where they tested pressurized cabin breaches, and it wasn't as catastrophic as I expected, but it would definitely cause an early landing.
Bollocks. Everybody should speak about politics if they feel like it, democracy works better that way.
Maybe the motherf***cker is just telling it like it is? I mean, yes, most religions are batsh*t crazy and in America, anything except Catholic, Protestant, or a direct, Jesus-wrote that sh*t his-self, fer sure, is just not going to fly.
Everyone can plainly see that everyone else's religion is just a bunch of hooey.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
I've opened the window on a plane.
You've opened the window on a PRIVATE plane, and at low altitude. Or in some Eastern European budget crackpot "airline"; You CANNOT open the window on a modern commercial US airliner. Even so, having just watched the Romney gaff, a few comments. It doesn't look to me like Romney is joking, on the other hand, it doesn't look like a studious, contemplative comment either. Romney, whatever he is, is not a guy who needs to be aware of how windows on a modern airliner work. Ok, he's stupid, I get that. But this isn't an indicator of how stupid he is. Its an indicator of how careless he is about everyday crap, just like 90% of the public. He doesn't really need to know precisiely how airliner windows work, so he doesn't. Ask him anything about money and I bet he could tell you a few things that Obama couldn't. Torvalds is out of line here.
Python: 'And then suddenly you have a language which says "we're all stuck with whatever the whiniest coder wants".'
He did post a retraction when he figured out Romney was just joking
As an atheist I have to disagree with you. Mormonism is bat shit crazy, as opposed to the other 3 primary Judeo-Christian religions which are just bullshit crazy...
http://www.snopes.com/politics/romney/windows.asp
Per Snopes, although it is true that Romney made that remark, it was clearly told as a joke meant to lighten the mood. It was not a serious comment.
Foreigners are often flabbergasted as to the things US politicians say and do. It seems absolutely incredible, and completely ridiculous, that our politicians are so incredibly ignorant and uneducated on very simple matters. We've had a number of Republican politicians boast about their lack of education and cite their ignorance as a strength.
Linus is just expressing his disbelief that a man who is running for President of the United States has no idea how cabin pressurization works.
Remember, Romney was the same person who was upset that Democrats wanted all Americans to get a college education. It's hard to find people in any first-world country that share that viewpoint, though an anti-education standpoint is common in third world countries (and many parts of America, like Texas).
Neither is the Huffington Post a newpaper.
Wasn't that on the citizenship test?
YHBT. YHL. HAND.
Hearsay.
My mothers side of the family all belong to the Moron church. A nuttier, greedier, more inbred bunch you will never find.
Yes, but that is not an equivalent situation to what TFS proposes. You'd have to ask whether Mark Twain being outspoken about matters outside the world of fiction reflects badly on the literary community that he is an icon of. This is even more ridiculous than suggesting that stating obvious facts hurts his personal reputation.
Mormonism any more bat shit crazy than other mainstream flavors of Christianity (or other religions for that matter)? Is it just because they say crazy things happened recently rather than 2000 years ago? I would think parting the red sea, raising the dead, raining frogs etc would be more bat shit crazy than some random dude getting some golden plates and translating them. Religions claim crazy things and require followers to do crazy things with no evidence just "you got to have faith". If you believe that stuff fine, but looking at it from a scientific mindset makes it extremely unlikely/odd behaviour.
"It was obvious from his tone in the video (and from body language, and from his laughing while saying it) he was joking.
Maybe he was being deadpan link, but he's still a 'a fucking moron' and Mormonism is still 'batshit crazy. link
From a European perspective Republicans are not conservative but mud-slinging extremists. Conservatives from a European perspective are nice old guys who go hunting in the woods, dress well and preserve the values of their community. Conservatives leave mud-slinging to the lefties.
I hate to have to retract my statement after it has already gone +5 Informative. But it was technically incorrect. He didn't actually apologize. What he said was:
Ok, since I publicly called the guy a f*cking moron, I guess I should also publicly follow up: it does seem Romney was joking. Whew.
Which my brain, fluent in Torvaldish, automatically translated into the English
I am ever so sorry, it seems I have wronged you my good sir. My deepest apologies etc. etc.
If my comment didn't sound as good in your head as it did in mine, then I guess we all know who's to blame
Linus is one of us, and he speaks like us.
Technically speaking, the poster is incorrect in referring to Linus Torvalds's comments as "profanity". They are, instead, vulgarity (common or coarse language), rather than profanity (language which demeans the sacred).
Hey ... I'm a writer. I can't help myself.
Check out my novel.
" The Mormon Bible is rather stupid and tiresome to read. But there is nothing vicious in its teachings. Its code of morals is unobjectionable. It's smooched from the New Testament and no credit given."
...but what about these crazy copyright laws? Have they been at issue at all? How come everybody is talked about Madonna's "black muslim" and Romney's "aircraft windows"?
Now even Linus can't think of anything better than that too?
"Ok, he's stupid, I get that. But this isn't an indicator of how stupid he is. Its an indicator of how careless he is about everyday crap, just like 90% of the public. He doesn't really need to know precisiely how airliner windows work, so he doesn't. Ask him anything about money and I bet he could tell you a few things that Obama couldn't. Torvalds is out of line here."
Look, there's two kinds of stupid: 1) stupid enough not to know things. Pretty much everybody fits into that category about something, which I think is your point; 2) too stupid to not realize you're *way* outside your area of expertise. That's a special kind of stupid. It's the kind of stupid that let's you make crazy suggestions to plumbers about plumbing, or aircraft engineers about aircraft design, when you don't know a fricking thing about those subjects.
I'm not saying you can't stray outside your own area of expertise. After all, some really cool discoveries and ideas come from people doing so. But if you're standing up in front of a public audience *trying* to sound knowledgeable, then why the hell would you stray into areas far outside your area of expertise? Like I said, it's a special category of stupid. We all have limits, but most people recognize those limits. Some people don't. You'd think that politicians would be particularly cautious about not making it obvious they're over that line.
Even members of finnish government swears on public television from time to time.
Paska, perkele, satana ..!! ;D
I'm getting really fucking sick of the media trying nail candidates on trivia, while they ignore the most important reasons why neither of the Ruling Party candidates are fit to hold any position of public trust. He told a joke about aircraft windows which a bunch of left-wingers didn't get. Who fucking cares?
THIS is one example why Willard's not fit to wield any governmental power ever again. This is depraved indifference to human suffering. I don't give a shit about him putting his dog on the roof of the car, and I don't give a shit about Obama eating dog meat.
But even aside from their many character flaws, there's an overarching reason to reject the Ruling Party candidates, and that's that neither of them will ever concede that our government is too powerful, and that we need to drastically reduce its powers.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
What Torvald's words represent is the general intolerance of the left.
Contrary to the spin, most of the hate is found in either democrats, liberals, or progressives.
It is both amusing and aggravating to me how many people fall for someone else's predigested spin on any topic you name from their favorite media source. It is also amusing an aggravating to me how you can't find unbiased reporting on anything. There seems to be so much hysteria in the news lately both about politics and mormons. It is also amusing an aggravating to me how much the people who preach tolerance and acceptance of all viewpoints almost immediately turn around and slam people they don't agree with, often using strong words to demonstrate their disgust and lack of tolerance and acceptance. Don't like Romney and think he's a moron? Whatever. He is richer and accomplished more as governor and as a businessman that most of the people that call him a moron. Want to call Obama a bozo. Whatever. He is rich and president of the united states, which is more than most of the people who call him a moron have accomplished. Want to call mormons a crazy religion with unbelievable stories and majic underwear and all that? Whatever. They must have something going for them if they have 15 million or so members across the world. I try to listen some to liberal media and some to conservative media and figure the truth is somewhere between each sides spin. If I want to know more about what Mormons really believe, I will read their Book of Mormon. If I want to know more about what Muslims really believe, I will read the Koran. I won't listen to the stupid rumors that seem to be prevalent in the media or comments.
"Barking mad" would have been more diplomatic and just as accurate.
Please do not read this sig. Thank you.
I'm sure if you read all of Steve Ballmer's personal e-mails and political statements you could say something equally vapid about Windows and all Microsoft products.
This is Slashdot, home of vapid comments about Windows and all Microsoft products. Ironically, many Slashdot commenters also seem to make faith-based claims that Windows [ sucks | is not secure | is worse than $(RandomOS) | is bats??t crazy ]. Why waste time reading Ballmer's statements when it's so much easier to head straight to the profanity? (Actually, there is one good reason to read Ballmer's drivel: you might learn some new profanities!)
John
Somewhat famous person uses profanity in ambiguously sourced Internet flame war, details as they emerge!
"Is this just Linus being Linus? Or does such outspokenness on non-technical matters reflect poorly on the Linux community that Torvalds leads?"
It's a natural result of spending too much time programming in C. You used boolean operators all the time, but forget it has no logical XOR...
What part of "a well regulated militia" do you not understand?
The Android kernel is used by a half-billion people every day, while Linus's version is actively used by a fraction of that. He's a "leader" of a project that is losing relevance on a global scale fairly quickly. If you want to talk about a real leader, shouldn't we be talking about the chief maintainer of the Android fork of the kernel? Whoever that is?
When has Linus been on Leno or SNL? Linus maybe a leader of the technology world but he's hardly a public figure. Then again nothing he said takes a technical genius to figure out. Romney is a fucking moron and batshit crazy to boot. A shame that political discourse in America makes these attributes virtues.
Is this just Linus being Linus? Or does such outspokenness on non-technical matters reflect poorly on the Linux community that Torvalds leads?
For fuck's sake, what a bunch of politically-correct cowardice! How about "Option C: Such truthfulness [on Linus's part] is fucking refreshing."
And really, how many average citizens do you know who really know anything about pressurized cabins and air pressure at jet airliner cruising altitude? Especially with the state of science education in this country. Hell I'd be surprised if half of them didn't think you could fly that jet airliner to the moon. A lot of responses to his statement seem to be based on movie physics. Sure, "opening a window" would cause the cabin to depressurize... somewhat... catastrophically... but the airframe would likely handle it. Everyone would have to wear oxygen masks while the pilot made a dive to breathable air, and an emergency landing. I'm not even sure if the loss of cabin pressure would give anyone the bends. That'd be what I'd be worried about.
I'm sure he was somewhat freaked out because his wife was in a moderately-bad aircraft situation, and babbling. He seems to do that a lot. If he were to just stop and think for a second before opening his mouth, he'd save himself a lot of trouble. He and Biden have a lot in common in that respect.
Nope, there are a lot of reasons not to like Romney, but this isn't one of them. Dislike him because he'll say whatever he thinks you want to hear in order to get elected. Dislike him because as a member of the wealthy elite, he's actively participated in the creation of laws and tax code that help people like him get richer and everyone else in the country get poorer. Dislike him because he is at best a liar and at worst a hypocrite (He's reversed pretty much EVERY position he held when he was Governor of Massachusetts.) Dislike him because he at best has no idea what it's like to live with an income of less than $250K a year and at worst is contemptuous of anyone who makes such a pittance. But don't hate him because of comments he made while legitimately concerned about his wife. That's probably as close as you will ever be allowed to get to the real Mitt Romney.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
It is irrelevant to the Linux community what Linus says about non-Linux matters.
Linus is entitled to have a personal opinion and has the right to express it freely.
If Linus is against everything the Mormons stand for, that means he's pro-theft, pro-murder, pro-adultery, anti-religion, anti- freedom of religion, anti-Christian, pro- drug dealer, pro-rape, pro-bestiality, anti-education, anti-family, anti-government, pro-crime, anti-Bible, pro-terrorism, and pro-monopoly. For that matter, maybe he likes to strangle puppies, and steal candy from babies. Religion? He's a fanatic member of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. He's definitely not bats**t crazy like other people, so we better trust his suggestions in politics ;-)
You'd have to ask whether Mark Twain being outspoken about matters outside the world of fiction
He was outspoken about matters outside the world of fiction? Oh, wait, I guess there was the one time he wasn't dead. That was pretty good. And the one about golf.
If Romney is elected, the US will be in serious trouble.
Sure, Obama did not do everything he promised, but his heart is
in the right place and that is obvious to anyone who has been
watching.
Romney on the other hand is the kind of piece of shit who didn't think twice
about carrying his family pet on the roof of the car for hundreds of miles.
What the fuck kind of subhuman idiot does that ?
The problem with Mitt is that it wasn't clear that it was a joke.
There are two problems, one minor, one severe, which caused this:
One, he's not the funniest man in the world. That's fine. People are voting for a politican, and a great sense of humour and delivery - although useful, is not a prerequisite.
The second problem is the real one: He has said - and is running on a platform of! - so many so profoundly stupid things that it was in no way clear that he didn't sincerely mean this to be true.
toresbe
...when you say "cult," are you referring to Mormonism or Linux?
Yeah, the most important thing is making a bunch of virginal jackoffs look bad. Hey fuckwads, try showering, shaving the fucking neckbeard, dusting the Cheetos futz off your fucking fingers, going outside, and talking to real people instead of fucking yourself in the ass with the latest shitsucking fucking useless Linux distro that's going to be abandoned by your pathetic "community" whenever they decide to upgrade anything at all ever. Fuck your "community" you fat worthless sacks of fucking shit.
Linus has never really minced words. He's not really beholden to anyone, and nobody is really paying attention (except strangely Slashdot). I realize Slashdot jumped the shark a while ago, but this story is just further confirmation of it.
AccountKiller
Public figures are not allowed to have personal opinions or to voice them frankly!!! /. Which one is running for office? Linus can call whoever he wants whatever he wants. Is he expected to abide by a monklike silence on issues beyond Linux? At least it wasn't as off-color as some of RMS's impolitic remarks--which he also had every right to say.
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Except politics (the life of the city if you had followed Greek 101) is EVERYBODY's business, and if you (as in all of you who apparently think it nobody's business to talk about politics) had taken a keener interest in the way our country has been run in the last 50 years, we would be in much better shape.
With love,
The ones who thinks we should take a keen interest in politics and speak up when we have something to say
>THIS [youtube.com] is one example why Willard's not fit to wield any governmental power ever again.
That and the video of him with the Vietnam veteran who is gay, who when asked about gay marriage, Mitt spouted off the teabilly talking point about "marriage between a man and a woman."
Total lack of empathy. Because heaven forfend that he say something that doesn't piss off his "base" for being thoughful.
He has spent the entire campaign running *against* his record as Governor of MA. It's fake, and everyone sees it as fake. He is the fakest candidate that ever faked a fake. Ronnie Raygun was the Teflon Prez, but Mitt is the Plastic Man.
--
BMO
You can't tell jokes if you're a conservative. The media will run stories claiming that you were serious, and thus you are a moron.
He knows how to get a person to vote for the opposition.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
As an aerospace engineer, I am neither surprised nor dismayed that Romney may not know why you cannot open an airliner window in flight... I suspect that Obama (who thought we had 57+ states, thinks navy medics are "corpse men", thinks doctors cut off feet rather than healing diabetics because the docs get more money that way, etc) also would not know about plane windows (I bet some staffer has had this explained to him now so he can pretend to be smart). Politicians are generally not engineers and often lack any technical education at all... On those occasions when America has elected an engineer (Herbert Hoover, Jimmy Carter) things have not turned out very well. In fact, most people I meet on a day-to-day basis would not know why you cannot open a plane window in flight and actually think a nutjob on a plane could open a door in flight... hint: look at the way the door opens, consider the square inches, figure the pressure differential and do a little math.
That said, guys like Torvalds and Nye are just behaving like political dirtbags pushing their particular political agendas, or they would slam Democrats just as harshly. Obama claims to be a Christian, and has many times proclaimed his admiration for Islam... he is not attacked. Is this because they know he is lying about his religious beliefs or is it that they are fine with those beliefs...as long as you are a lefty? Obama ran in 2008 as opposed to gay marriage and was still opposed in 2011. In 2012 Romney is a barbarian for being opposed to gay marriage? Obama expresses his appreciation for the prophet Mohammed and he is cool, but Romney has some Mormon prophet and he is a backward moron?
I am all for criticizing anybody who is arrogant enough to run for political office and hold himself out as deserving to rule over others... but any time I see a critic who attacks only one side, or who only sees the screw-ups of one side I know I am dealing with somebody who is not intellectually honest
They claim that mankind is only about 5000 years old and they are creationists. Do you really want to start defending that kind of stance? Anyone that comes up to me with something like that, I would send to a psychiatrist. If Linus said that, he has my full support (And I also run the OS he is responsible for)
That was wonderful... Now can you link to a document that actually opens?
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
we don't outlaw people from speaking their minds. That doesn't mean there won't be consequences, big, small, or other, whether it's Mitt Romney wanting to put electric windows on airplanes (evidently unashamed of his religion), or Obama and the religion that he evidently professes (but somehow escapes persecution for), or Linus displaying his apathy for what people think of his civility and creativity for insults, or the people here who find great sport and a common sense of moral and intellectual superiority in making fun of religion and religious people. Thankfully, our forefathers were intelligent enough (religious, though many of them were) to secure our rights to speak our minds (slander aside), and to secure our rights to practice religion (or not) as we see fit. They were also smart enough not to think they could protect us from ourselves, but they did try to protect us from each other and from an oppressive government. I'm glad to be an American and a Christian.
When the chick fil'a dude said stuff about gays and his religion, it's the same thing. Because he mixed his (known) politics with his business, he lost my business.
If torvalds posted this in a blog unrelated to Linux and was relatively unknown, no problem. If there's an association to Linux, it will be taken poorly. The problem is that torvalds can't say anything without it being associated with Linux. Welcome to celebrity status.
He has a record of taking things that are failing and turning them around.
What 'record' did you read? He runs an economic chop shop, runs up huge debts and then sells off the pieces and fires the workers. He's second hand 'Reaganomics'.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
and reaffirms why I keep distancing myself further from people. I am tired of every dope with a following thinking that he needs to share his politic thoughts. I have been a VERY politically active person and I am just getting sick of it. I can't wait for this election to be over so that I can get back to a sense of politics being inconsequential (even if it isn't). As much as I hate some things that are done by one side and others that are done by the other side, I just want to live my life and try not to let them impact me, as much as possible... it's hard enough already, and it is even worse when every @**hole with an opinion thinks that everyone else wants to hear it, celebrity, geek, or otherwise.
How many americans do you think would be able to fit through an aircraft window?
Tsk, talking about confirmation bias.
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/09/26/obama_jumps_in_gallup_tracker.html
http://www.gallup.com/poll/150743/Obama-Romney.aspx
Oh... Gallup suddenly is not that credible anymore, is it?
Quite a bit, evidently, given how much power he's obtained.
Whether he knows anything about *governance*, though...
You CANNOT open the window on a modern commercial US airliner.
Hello! Oh, wait... I didn't realize you said US airliner... never mind
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Why must we think that Linus' comment have anything to do with the Linux community? Freedom of speech, yes and he's entitled to it. However, if there is a perception that everytime the man speaks, he's the voice of the Linux community, then whoever think that needs something stronger than a pill. Anyways, I agree with Linus' comments and as far as I'm concerned, Romney is an idiot for making such suggestions. As for his religion, none of my business. But in the end, Romney made himself look like a joke. If this type of idea comes from a man wanting to be the 89th President of the USA, then he better not be elected or else the US will be in some serious deep s&^t. Aircraft windows opening in case of emergencies, what a moron! (mmm, mormon, moron, kinda rhymes), but let be serious, a comment like that is comparable to wanting to join the navy , wishing to serve aboard a submarine, but insisting on sleeping with your window open. Sheesh!
What a loaded question. "Does it reflect badly and cause of loss of reputation", what... that someone calls a batshit crazy religion batshit crazy? Didn't hurt Mark Twain's reputation much.
Unfortunately that is the judgment of history. I suspect Mark Twain's reputation at the time was somewhat worse. After time passes Linus's opinion might be judged to be quite true. Right now, Linus's statement is considered rather harsh.
Thats a window in the cockpit. Show me a US airliner that allows passengers to open their windows. Or do you just like to be a dick?
Python: 'And then suddenly you have a language which says "we're all stuck with whatever the whiniest coder wants".'
It reflects on him and him alone, if Linus said "I and all Linux users agree that ....." then he would of pulled everyone in. He never said that so therefore didn't make Linux look bad.
If Bush went on the soft-show circuit instead of meeting with foreign heads of state, ppl. like *you* and your ilk would jump on the internet post-haste and complain it about.
Yes, *you would*, and you _know it_.
Airplane windows do open The ones in the cockpit, that is. So the important people can get out. All you SLF can just stand in line for the emergency exits. Sort of like how the economy works.
Have gnu, will travel.
Here's the video:
http://www.politico.com/multimedia/video/2012/09/romney-airplane-windows-not-opening-a-real-problem.html
Judge for yourself. My only comment is that IF he was joking, he really needs to work on his delivery.
that dude is a fucking moron, and luckily we can still call him mr. romney
Honestly after four years of Obama, can't we all just agree to slap 'em in the face and vote 3rd party? We'd only need 35 percent of the vote to win, 40 to make it pretty sure, and 45 to cement it. And hell even 10-15 percent would at least get us a 3rd party funded for the 2016 elections. It's not like either side is going to be bailing enough water out in the next 4 years to turn things around.
Anyone who thinks what Torvalds said was appropriate must have Aspergers or some other social disorder. Anti-Mormonism is Anti-Semitism 2.0 and it's repulsive.
A religion is - imo- a way to control a mass of people by fear, and since so many people are ready to trust anything, it can only lead to mass stupidy and conflicts.
I just wish that everybody could read between the lines of all thoses books and religious statements, and just find a good way of living WHILE using their brains and think for themselves.
But I guess it's just a wish... not everyone was given a brain at birth ;)
I can't call that English
Maybe Romney bet KK into Torvalds' trup QQ?
... on this website? Yes. Yes it does.
The idea that anything "reflects" on the Linux "community" is ridiculous. Linus can say whatever dumb thing he wants to say and it means absolutely squat to the "Linux community". They are entirely divorced.
And both of those statements happen to be true by the way regardless of the reasoning.
I've heard that Romney's "tell" for when he is uncomfortable is to laugh. Partially because he can always claim that the next thing he vomits forth was "just a joke".
He completed school, so it demonstrates very clearly that he's a guy that disn't listen back then and doesn't pay attention to the world around him now. Thus IMHO not Presidential material, but my opinion counts no more than that of Linus since your election is your own business, and that batshit insane money worshipper has shot down whatever slim chance he had by insulting half of the USA.
Since Linus is technically the leader of the Linux Community (if he wants to acknowledge it or not), he needs to understand that leaders can't go around loosing their cool like he has been doing the last few months. He is representing the entire Linux community (in essence) with anything that he says. Linus is a brilliant man, but needs to take it down a notch and be a little more responsible and use a little more tact. Again, one of the smartest guys on Earth, but needs to be a little more level headed sometimes. Just my take....
why the fuck would telling the truth 'reflect poorly; on either Linus or the Linux community.
Romney IS a fucking moron (or, at least, goes above-and-beyond to pander to morons that he is completely indistinguishable from one), and Mormonism IS batshit insane (as are all other religions, but Mormonism is pretty fucking crazy - not quite as crazy as scientology, but not far off it either. religion founded by a con-man, and only an idiot would believe the golden tablets story. the magic fucking underpants are laughable. what's not laughable are the nutcase patriarch survivalist forced-"marriage" rape compounds - i've got no problem with polygamy, or polygyny or any other form of polyamory but raping teenage girls is just unnacceptable)
Nobody specified which window. You gotta problem? Or do you just like to be a...?
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
A religion is - imo- a way to control a mass of people by fear, and since so many people are ready to trust anything, it can only lead to mass stupidy and conflicts.
Apparently a lot of autocrats have said pretty much the same thing that everyone reviles Marx for saying. However, I can't imagine that every religious leader is in it for that reason. I suspect that the vast majority believe the teachings every bit as much as the masses do.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
wouldn't doubt it.
Python: 'And then suddenly you have a language which says "we're all stuck with whatever the whiniest coder wants".'
Hear, hear.
A successful API design takes a mixture of software design and pedagogy.
He grows balls big enough to say that Islam is batsh*t crazy. Just as many good reasons to say this about Islam as there are about Mormonism. But he won't. No one will. Because then muslims will start killing people.
The NEA funded Andres Serrano and 'Piss Christ' (crucifixes in urine jars for those who don't remember) in 1987. Barely a murmur from the christians, and then it was only about why should we have to pay for this blashphemy. Some douche makes a youtube video about Islam and the pundit class (I'm looking at you MSNBC) talks about how he should be crucified.
Seriously, I actually have no problem with *whatever* someone wants to believe, but hurt feelings do not justify violence. And fear definitely doesn't justify silencing people, however batsh*t crazy they are. Because your beliefs (or lack thereof) look just that way to someone else.
It's easy to talk smack about folks you know won't hit you. Takes some balls to say it about someone you are pretty sure will.
Grow a pair Linus.
wake up and find out that you are the eyes of the world.
>> Everyone can plainly see that religion is just a bunch of hooey.
FTFY
They believe in magic underwear, ffs!
We work with the stuff and call it how we see it.
It's been a letdown all the way from Applesoft BASIC (versus the non-Microsoft integer BASIC), to the pisspoor ripoff of a little bit of what CP/M could do, to many of their current products (eg. MS Exchange tells you what you should do with the software just by it's name).
motherf***cker
batsh*t
sh*t
Either curse or don't, but don't do what you just did. You know what the word means, the reader knows, so it only makes reading more difficult without any benefit.
He didn't just write fiction, he was a journalist more than he was an author but it's the novels he's more famous for now.
"Roughing It" was most definitely mostly fiction (Buffalo don't climb trees) and that's one novel where he made a lot of fun of the early Mormons.
LOL. I'm glad that I don't support Linux dick heads any longer.
And make up your own mind if Romney was joking:
http://www.politico.com/multimedia/video/2012/09/romney-airplane-windows-not-opening-a-real-problem.html
Applause for Torvald. He speaheth the truth, like every true Finn.
Keep it up!
Love from Norway!
Boeing 737 and Airbus 320 for example.
If he wasn't joking: For venting smoke, the airbus manual says (or used to say) you have to reduce speed to below 200 knots. You should be at low altitude, of course.
Despite studies showing these it not much good in venting this way, crews still desire to do it.
I looked and Romney didn't say anything about " passengers rolling down the windows at 30,000 feet and at 500 knots."
That's just wild ass charicature circle jerking. What he said was that they (FAA? Manufacturer? Leasor?) should allow it. He might have been reflecting the crew's sentiments.
Venting air via an open window could be done using air rams to maintain pressure. The FAA doesn't like the planes slowing down and dropping altitude to do it for delayed landing, reduced cummonication, and analysis of In effectiveness.
Wide body jets are particularly bad aerodynamically to allow venting based on studies.
planes in the US May have their windows bolted shut, I don't know about that.
But I do know that even today there are planes evenin commercial service that have windows that can be opened in flight and older flight manuals gave instructions on how to do it in the event of smoke or fire. (btw, fire can be bad because the vacuum can pull it into other areas of the plane).
Anyway, I don't get Linus' reaction as I when I read the quote in the la times I immediately thought I understood what he was saying.
The planes are made with opening windows, but I don't know
/me sips his coffee and ponders a new sig...
Sure, ask the /. community if they think "someone ridiculing a Republican" is wrong.
Yeah, you're going to get nothing but cogent, reasoned responses.
No partisanship here, move along.
-Styopa
This Ivory puritanism is disgusting. Every C-level person I have met who wasn't a dipshit...cussed. Big deal. Dropping the f-bomb or calling someone a moron is either a) free speech b) an opinion. Grow up. Is it "professional"? Ask a CEO who has been through the wringer a few times if they have ever cussed. Christ, Mother Teresa shit everyday. This is a) a religious carry over b) oversensitve c) further emasculation of the American (and Finnish) male d) all of the above.
Fucking and Moron are words. Use them. Moron, you should be fucking more.
The whole summary made so much more sense until I realized it was not "Moronism".
Robin: 'Batman ... sure is a lot of Bat-shit flinging around ... is the toilet acting up again?
Batman: 'Robin ... No. The Bat-Toilet is functioning properly and my Bat-Bladder is nominal
in its functional capabilities as well.
Bat-Radar indicates far-field sources ... meaning we are under their path ... an a good thing!'
Robin: 'WoW Batman ... you really are on TOP of this Shit!'
Batman does not smile ... yet ... the curves of his face below the his mask indicates he is
hummered and pleased by Robin's crude comments, which were entirely accurate and
precise and 'on the mark'.
Alfred
Forget the mormons, lets all shit on the Quakers and the Amish now. Cause, you know, that's cool. I know because I can put it on my blog and /b/ and they'll tell me I'm cool.
Since when is an individual not allowed to have a personal opinion?
Moving on...
What is this horseshit? The entirety of the Linux "community" does not reside in the US, nor does Linus "lead" said community. Rather than ask Slashdot whether we give a shit about Linus' political opinions, perhaps the submitter could and should retract said ridiculous questions and promptly die in a fire.
Unless he's become naturalized, he's still a Finnish citizen, so all he can add is commentary. I happen to agree with him, but he'd come out in support of Romney, my response would have been the same. He's just one human being among 9 billion with an opinion. Whatever.
As for the substance of what he said... Well... Every time you see Romney on T.V... Just remember... under his clothes, he's wearing magic underwear...seriously.
Look up the core tenants of what Mormons believe and then ask yourself... Does this guy really believe this? If so, do you think he's more or less so suited to our next president?
Yes Francis, the world has gone crazy.
Is this just Linus being Linus? Or does such outspokenness on non-technical matters reflect poorly on the Linux community that Torvalds leads?"
Is this netbuzz just being netbuzz? Or does such outspokenness on personal choices of people reflect poorly on the slashdot community that Torvalds leads?"
No body has the right to tell linus what he should restrict himself to except himself
Linus saying that Mormonism is anything but batshit crazy would be a poor reflection on Linus. Magic Underwear, just let those 2 words sink into your conscious for a moment. They exist and Mormons wear them for protection. Joseph Smith did time for fraud before he took a page from William Miller's book and decided if one guy could convince a group of people to wait for the end on a mountain top they would fall for damn near anything. That is the spirit in which the Mormon religion started, gather up all the stray gullible morons you can find and convince them that god said they need to give you money. All you need is the promise of everlasting life as a god, with a planet, and all the women you could possibly want, to screw for eternity and populate your planet. Linus didn't go far enough by half.
Every time a technical company/organization takes sides on social issues, they alienate roughly half of the population (at least in the US where we have a two-party system). Tech organizations should stay out of social issues, period.
why sugar coat it
...and the majority seem to be Linux fans. I wonder how they're going to take this. I'm always trying to sway them to Windows and maybe I'll have more success now.
and not some lame attempts at his apologists to try to make this turd stink any less than he already does.
I've opened the side door of a plane at 15,000 feet. It's standard operating procedure for skydiving.
Nonsense. He took lessons in standup from Al Gore.
Remember Gore running for president and taking Lieberman as VP. Tailoring his remarks, so he would sound more conservative than he really is?
There were Bush = Gore = Bore jokes. And Mittens is pulling a Gore right now by letting his advisers tell him where he stands.
What's the BFD? Really!? Nobody is perfect and even Linus can fire off before thinking.
But, if we think about Romney's suggestion and put some logic behind the idea, it's not that stupid after all.
Tell me what existing portal or hatch can be opened during flight now.
And why they cannot be opened during flight.
Simple; It would depressurize the cabin and cause serious problems ... Right?
So, why then would the obvious reason Linus thought this was a stupid idea be valid?
Would they not implement the same safety features used on the rest of the openings?
I'm sure passengers and staff won't just be able to open the damn things at will during a flight to flick ashes out. - as if.
Naturally if such a thing came to pass, they would not be able to be opened until safety sensors allow it.
Be it altitude, barometric pressure, and/or inertia that would all have to be within certain parameters before the window emergency escape latches would be allowed to function.
Say the pilots managed to land without too much damage and there were survivors onboard...
Naturally if you are on the ground in a burning tube or in the water and sinking, wouldn't you want as many exits as possible?
So, just because these 2 guys are under the microscope, doesn't mean they are any more or less human than the rest of us.
They just have enough balls to stand in front of everyone and speak their minds.
It never ceases to amaze me how quick the village idiots grab their pitch forks, er, um, I mean the masses are to crucify others.
Pussy. "Hear, fucking Hear!" FTFY
Hellen Keller would have said, "MOAN GROANNN NN MOAN"
umm....naahh..should've done the same earlier.
Are you sure he didn't say "fu**ing Mormon"?
Your *assumption* is entirely plausible and possible. Perhaps Gallup, or any other artifice is not credible. Slashdot isn't any more or less credible than Gallup but I learn a fuckton more on /. than reading the results of a gallup poll. Gallup...really?
There's something that bothers me about this story. Linus's G+ account is basically a personal blog. It isn't tied directly to Linux or the open source community in any way other than that the author is Linus Torvalds and his posts occasionally mention Linux or open source software. If we were to judge everything Linus says about anything in public based on the criteria of how it "reflects on the open source community", then doesn't that essentially mean that we don't think Linus has a right to express his own opinions in public?
If you don't like those opinions, or find them offensive, that's fine. But let's not always assume that any famous person expressing an opinion must always be representing something bigger than him or her own self.
Everyone can plainly see that everyone else's religion is just a bunch of hooey.
Yup. And everyone is right.
my religion isn't. I am a Mormon. I guess I should be offended by what Torvalds said, but if I go around getting offended by every time somebody says something unthinking or inaccurate, then I won't live my life. Perhaps if all I knew about my faith came from people ranting on the internet I guess that I would be scared too. But here is the thing. When I find someone who makes a pretty easy factual mistake about something, I can ignore the rest of what they say pretty easily. For example. Lets say that you read a history textbook that says that Theodore Roosevelt ended World War II by dropping an H-bomb on Tokyo in 1946. Would you pay any attention at all to any analysis that that book made? If you know anything about history, you could quite easily detect the subtle yet easily identifiable mistakes that someone not quite in the know would make. If you didn't know any better, you could conceivably believe the person. But you would be wrong.
OK, so how does that apply here? You said, "golden plates that no-one ever saw". Now, if you knew even a smidgen of Mormon history you would know about the three Witnesses and the eight Witnesses. In fact, their testimony is printed in every Book of Mormon. Each of those eleven men to their dying day never denied seeing the plates. Some people after interviewing them tried to explain away, or spin what was said so Martin Harris and David Whitmer countered newspaper accounts with their own newspaper advertisements. Even fifty years after the fact, after Joseph Smith was long dead and the LDS church was in Utah, Whitmer 1000 miles away safely in Missouri could have easily denied his testimony but expressed the truth of what he saw and said on his deathbed. He even had it engraved on his tombstone. To state that "no-one ever saw" the plates (or claimed to have seen the plates) is a serious misrepresentation of historical record. So, any further analysis that you might bring is "objectively and obviously" incorrect.
Most of the stuff deemed "bat XXXX crazy" really comes from people and books who falsify and misrepresent our church and its beliefs. It is very disappointing that people who consider themselves intelligent and open minded really aren't. I guess it is ok to make fun of us, just realize that you are being a bigot while you do it.
So, the next time you have something glib to say about Mormons, just run it by a real Mormon first. We'll tell you the truth.
"Is this just Linus being Linus? Or does such outspokenness on non-technical matters reflect poorly on the Linux community that Torvalds leads?"
Nice false dichotomy, you fucking moron.
Looks good upon the Linux community in my eyes.
Or you would be labeled an "enemy combatant" for "decrypting" classified documents!
No. It reflects on the application of critical thinking to topics other than Linux.
Some mornings it's hardly worth chewing through the restraints to get out of bed.
who's F**king Moronic idea was it, that this is even /. newsworthy?
In the run up to the US election, any excuse to publish political story will be taken. It guarantees hundreds of posts ignoring the supposed topic, just rehashing the usual political talking points.
And why is this dumb story sourced to "networkworld.com"? These assholes are just playing the same game, getting pagehits. Link to what Linus actually wrote: https://plus.google.com/+LinusTorvalds/posts/2Z4pgYDFeEm?hl=en
Linus is allowed to have personal opinions. He's not putting "Fuck Romney" in the Linux kernel, just writing a personal blog.
Linus made the comment on his google plus feed. He also backtracked and apologized the next day so there is nothing to see here, the story should be marked a flamebait. If you really want to know what Linus thinks and says his Google + page is the best place to start.
They thing that democracy is to vote between 2 parties.
I question the mental balance of the sort of people who like to dig up and wallow in such muck.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
Well, as a Mormon and generally conservative-ish Linux user, my response is *yawn*.
A liberal Atheist attacks a conservative candidate and his religious beliefs during a major election cycle.
Boy.
Didn't see that one coming.
Oddly, it doesn't seem to affect my ability to use of Linux. Huh.
It looks like my Windows and OS X machines may have been developed, at least in some part, by people with beliefs similar to those of Mr. Trovalds. Those seem to keep working, too. Weird.
I guess the main feeling I have on the matter is one of disappointment. I expected much more sophistication out of Mr. Torvalds' arguments rather than bringing up what was quite clearly a joke (granted, one delivered with Romeny's android tendencies) and making this a point of argument. Of course, it's not like the Romney campaign doesn't deserve such attacks given its ridiculous focus on the "you didn't build that" line (sorry, Romney - while Obama was inelegant, I believe his intent was pretty clear, and it wasn't to say that business owners did not "build" their businesses).
Mr. Torvalds doesn't come across as the brilliant man he is - he looks just like any other partisan. An unhealthy portion of the American population already seems to be basing its vote in this election on stupid little soundbites. I hate to think that someone who I otherwise have great respect for would go for such a cheap shot.
If he is blunt in his g+ page, so are most of the people in their social media platform. as for his choice of words, i'd say a f**king-A
Fuck Beta
I appreciate the parent comment. This topic actually got me to log in. I'm usually too lazy, but an AC response doesn't seem appropriate here.
The funny thing about Mormons is that they are so normal most people know a few without even realizing it. Our religion is as rational as any other (more rational than many), and it is a lot nicer than the rabid secularism that is prevalent around here.
The amount of bigoted ignorance isn't surprising, given that the culture of Slashdot embraces making fun of topics of about which the community knows very little. But I am surprised at how hateful some of the comments are.
Hopefully people realize that lots of Mormons participate in the Slashdot community, so if you have any sincere questions you can ask.
In the meantime, I'll be doing my normal Slashdot things like writing open source code, reading tech blogs, appreciating science, improving the environment, helping my neighbor, and being a Christian. Well, I guess the last one isn't so normal around here.
I can't really find it in Linus' comment! As he's not Mormon (yes, there's an "m" there!) he cannot be respectful of someone else's religion!
And, by the way Mitt, "emergency brakes" look a much better idea.
Sent as ripples into the electromagnetic field. No single photon has been harmed in the process.
Linus is just being Linus. I may completely agree with everything he says, but I would never be so foolish as to say so on a public forum.
Romney's faith teaches him that once he reaches the celestial kingdom he will eventually become a god and can create his own universe. This is not fake. It's scary.
Politics might work better, but linux won't.
If Romney is elected, do you think he'll want to work with android, linux, open office, or open document formats? He might just say to hell with it, and mandate UEFI Windows 8 machines for all goverment computers -- just because he can.
This man who Linus just casually insulted, might be set to become the most powerful purchaser and military man on the planet.
How's that for being a "fucking moron?"
Welcome to America, Linus -- you can say what you want. But guess what... There are still consequences for shooting off your mouth.
I don't always agree with Linus. I trust his judgement on matters of operating system kernels, and that's where my trust in his judgement stops. On all other matters, his comments are his exclusively (including licensing of the system, and any other matters). If Romney was serious about the airplane windows, he needs to be put up in one with windows that open, and then someone -well strapped in-- should open the window beside Romney. It would be best if the window was large enough to suck Romney through it easily. Mormonism is an American creation, it doesn't have anything to do with any other religion (some confuse it with Christianity, but there are really clear parts of that which declare in clear terms that 'add on's and 'extras' aren't allowed in any way shape or form. Romney can follow any religion he likes, and I won't condemn him for it (Linus is on his own here). When Linus got grumpy with NVIDIA, he was talking about ongoing issues he had seen and its more community-centric. I don't happen to support Romney, but understand that in this matter, Linus speaks for himself alone.
It reflects badly. It looks socially unsophisticated. It's redundant in "the Linux community" to say those things, and therefore unnecessary. It looks like progressive me-too-ism. Sophomoric.
ok. move along, nothing to see here
That one brave man calls a spade a spade.
Please don't take offense, but I am quite familiar with the topic. After some people confuted the words "spiritual experience" and started the "spiritual eyes" reporting Harris and Whitmer to clarify their testimony began using much more concrete terms while granting interviews, and made sure to write and publish their own accounts. Historians much prefer first hand accounts to second hand accounts (otherwise known as hearsay). Even after some of them left the church,
Look, I have a book full of 200 first and second hand accounts of the translation of the Book of Mormon called "Opening the Heavens" Accounts of Divine Manifestations 1820-1844 right next to me. I have also read the book "Investigating the Book of Mormon Witnesses" by Richard Anderson. Again, several accounts and let me quote
""'Do you still believe that the Book of Mormon is true and that Joseph Smith was a prophet?" Martin Harris, standing in the Kirtland Temple on a bright, winter day, pointed to one of the arched Gothic windows where the sun was streaming through it and said, "Do I see the sun shining? Just as surely as the sun is shining on us . . . I saw the plates; I saw the angel."
As a very old man, Martin went to Utah and spent the last five years of his life there in upper Cache Valley. When people in his community asked him about the plates of the Book of Mormon, he continued using physical objects like the sun to illustrate his testimony. One time he raised his hand and asked, "'Do you see that hand? . . . Are your eyes playing you a trick or something? . . . Well, as sure as you see my hand so sure did I see the angel and the plates." Martin Harris, like all the witnesses, was especially desirous at the end of his life to have people hear and repeat his testimony.
http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/transcripts/?id=21
Reading that exmormon.org article was frustrating as I am familiar with the sheer volume of both first and second hand accounts that it plainly ignores. Read my comment on the flawed WWII lesson. Then understand when I say when a skillful writer with an agenda (like someone who is mad at the LDS church) can ignore evidence to bolster their argument. I'm not stupid or naive, I know that you aren't going to read those books or look up the article that I provided. Just know though that we aren't bat XXXX crazy and we do have reasons for what we believe. Getting through the stuff made up by people keeps people from the real message of the Book of Mormon. Its message is that God lives, has a plan for us, that we need to love and care for others, that offensive war is evil, pride from wealth will cause society to sicken and die, it is possible to change to become holy and that Jesus Christ paid a heavy price to save mankind. Most people who talk about it have never actually read it.
Everyone can plainly see that everyone else's religion is just a bunch of hooey.
An observation that hints strongly at an underlying truth, but it might just be too subtle to grasp if you've already been indoctrinated.
I've never met the man although I have tremendous respect for his technical skills and the barriers he has helped to break down. But he might be in a little over his head on this one. Romney's comment about the airplane window was obviously in jest and I don't expect he will win any comedy awards any time soon. Torvald's crack about Mormonism was not only uncalled for, it's offensive. I'm not a Mormon but i defend people's right to practice any religion they choose, or not practice any at all. For someone that is supposed to be a so called 'leader' in their field it shows shockingly bad judgement.
As I said, I've never met Torvalds but I've seen videos of him speaking and my impression of him, apart from his considerable technical talents, continues to dwindle. He appears to have no social skills what so ever - exhibit A, see above. It doesn't do much to dispel the pasty, gruff, immature stereotype of the uber geek. The guy seems like he ought to be living in his parents basement with a big bag of Cheetos, gallons of Mountain Dew and empty pizza boxes piled up beside the CPU.
I defend Torvald's right to free speech, by the way, but for someone in his position I would expect a little more polish.
Bottomline: Yes he swears ! Yes lots of times he's an "ahole" , unbending ,uncompromising hardass and yes he sweaaars and calls most ppl stupid ! But:
TheBad
x="swearing";
y="name calling"
z="uncompromising"
TheGood
l="linux"
p="advantages and related advantages of linux"
v="linux singular vision and master helmsman"
s="general lack of stupid general stuff "
Net Positive Effect !
(nx)+(my)+(pz) + (nl) +(mv) + (ps) = F
F > 0
Nothing new. You know when the culture is going down the tubes when pointing out the obvious is so controversial you get condemned and punished for it.
The emperor has no magic underwear.
Democracy Now! - uncensored, anti-establishment news
Maybe Linus just has poor experiences with some Mormon people:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darl_McBride
One rotten apple shouldn't make them all bat***t crazy..
It doesn't look to me like Romney is joking,
Americans just don't get irony.
Tim.
God said, "div D = rho, div B = 0, curl E = -@B/@t, curl H = J + @D/@t," and there was light.
That is enough to qualify him as a Class A moron. What he says is irrelevant.
Good thing Romney's a Mormon and not a Muslim so everyone can all insult his religion and exercise there free speech with out being intimated by the government or threatened with murdered and other fun rage boy things by it's followers.
If Romney wins, who is going to clean up the inside of your cocoon when your head explodes?
We all know Romney are just as crazy, unethical, slimy and backhanded as Obama. Calling it out as it is just makes Linus look better. Same goes for religious people. We need more people with balls enough to say what they really think. Right now we have a very small minority that sets the agenda for everyone else because they are to afraid to speak their mind. People even go to church because they are afraid to lose their jobs otherwise.
HTTP/1.1 400
Mr Linux should stick to his area of expertise and not pontificate(heh) on religion or politics so that in future he wont look like an arrogant idiot.
Speaking I guess does include saying arrogantly stupid things.
Even with a lax definition, thats just vulgar speech, used as a emotional intensifier.
*shrug*
I've heard worse!
Everyone can plainly see that everyone else's religion is just a bunch of hooey.
Everyone except those who follow the Ancient Greek religion, because they're all dead and the PC term for their "religion" is Mythology... I'm OK with this. I think I'll call it Hindu Mythology, and Christian Mythology from now on -- Can't wait for all those "believers" to die out, too. I'm as enlightened as Buddha on LSD right now.
Why everything Torvalds says is so important to be posted on /.?
Batsluts??!!!?!?!?
Got a link? Please!
signed,
Batman
It reflects excellently.
If smart people were more interested in and outspoken on non-technical matters, the idiots would be getting away with far less of their idiocy. Half of all Americans don't believe in evolution, and even more of them don't believe in climate change. Hell, almost half of all Americans are going to vote for this man. How is this tacitly accepted?
This stupidity needs to be openly ridiculed and shamed at every opportunity. Geeks are not impartial powers on the sidelines of pointless political struggles. It's a war of the smart people against the dumb people. The dumb have already realized this: they rage at the evil hives of godless intellectuals; universities. It's time to fight back.
Tom and Dick were close friends. Both were unemployed and stuck in the city. But one day Tom got a job offer out in the country. He jumped at the chance, and told Dick that when he had saved enough, he would come back and take him out on the town for the night.
While out in the country Tom bought himself a car and learnt to drive.
Then the great day arrived. he rang Dick up and arranged to get there by six o'clock. He would also find the most interesting sounding bars, pubs, clubs, whathaveyou, to do the pub crawl through.
Half-past six came and went, and Dick got worried. Seven came and went, and he got even more worried. Finally eight o'clock arrive, and so did Dick, pale and shaking. His first words were, "The drivers in the city are fucking morons!!!"
Tom leapt to his feet, grabbed his coat and hat, and exclaimed, "That's one show I've got to see!"
If Romney says, that if aircraft windows could be opened it might make them safer in an emergency (i.e. AFTER the plane crash landed is on the ground), I would tend to agree that there MIGHT be situations where being able to open the windows might help.
The problem is that the assessment is incomplete - it does not look at the safety level of the plane in regular operation. Planes will be _MUCH_ unsafer, if anyone could open the windows on the plane while the plane is in flight.
At a guess, I would say, opening a window aboard a flight in mid air over the Atlantic will likely ensure the the plane will never reach its destination.
And once you start constructing windows in a way so that they CAN be opened if the plane is on the ground in an emergency, but windows will not open in regular flight, then you're looking at adding potentially error-prone extra circuitry to deal with that - particularly if you need to ensure that the circuitry preventing windows opening in mid-air cannot reasonably fail.
I guess if we're going to get pedantic, Romney was specifically talking about windows rolling down. Airliner windows typically open inwards and then slide back.
As to whether you can do so while in flight, here's part of the smoke-in-cockpit procedure for a 737-400:
Smoke or fumes source is confirmed to be on the flight deck:
Caution! Window should not be opened unless the source is confirmed to be on the flight deck.
Establish normal holding speed. High airspeed may prevent opening the window.
Open the First Officer’s sliding window.
>>Go to the Smoke, Fire or Fumes checklist on page 8.8 and do the remaining steps.
Why would would you ask a Catholic and a Muslim about their religion, but a Hindu about his language?
(Hint: Hindi is a language; Hinduism is the religion)...
Romney isn't just a moron. He's sociopathic amoral doofus who has built a career out of siphoning cash out ailing companies, laying off staff and squirrelling the proceeds in offshore accounts and funds for tax avoidance purposes. Perhaps this is all perfectly acceptable and expected from some asshole investor. It's not acceptable for a presidential candidate.
Linus, you spelled mormon wrong!!
-- Make America hate again!
It can be difficult to know if person is serious or not, if according to his religion, wearing special adult diapers will protect him from the evils of world. To me it sounds as a sick joke, but for Mormons it is serious and important issue.
Why would this reflect poorly on the Linux community. I haven't read his post but I'm getting the impression he didn't discuss Linux and if he didn't discuss Linux then why would this reflect poorly on the Linux community? God forbid a programmer has free will and can speak his mind openly on non technical matters. Surely if Linus was to comment negatively on the brand of toilet paper he uses this would spell disaster for the Linux community. Talk about bats**t crazy!
The emergency landing checklists for each of my three Pipers has an "unlatch the door" step.
and you canâ(TM)t find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because the windows donâ(TM)t open. I donâ(TM)t know why they donâ(TM)t do that. Itâ(TM)s a real problem. So itâ(TM)s very dangerous. And she was choking and rubbing her eyes.
So he was making a joke in the context of his wife choking on smoke from a fire while in the air. What a fucking asshole.
Somehow i think it is related to Gnome release
Calling someone names is what passes for persuasion these days. No wonder people don't agree with you; agree with what? That you think they're a fucking moron? Yeah, that works.
"We receive as friendly that which agrees with, we resist with dislike that which opposes us" - Faraday
Look Linus' comments are tame. It would be way more entertaining to see The De Raadt's view on the subject.
And when someone says screen door on a submarine, and someone else thinks they are being serious, who's the dipshit?
Noam Chomsky has been known to talk about politics and I think that he should stick with Linguistics. I think as long as he is not depressing like Chomsky and says what he feels but keeps it truthful and funny... well, the world is a better place.
This series of unfortunate remarks makes Linus look silly for several reasons.
1. Mittens was obviously joking.
2. Attack candidates on substantive issues. Do you want us dredging up Obama's non-joking verbal gaffe in which he identified the United States as having 57 states?
3. Intolerance. I thought attacks on religion were considered bigoted. Mormonism deserves the same respect we give the exotic religions like Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Jainism, Shintoism, Ba'hai, FSM, etc.
People with liberal arts degrees see geeks as having a one-dimensional understanding of reality. Where the liberal arts teaches hierarchy, geeks tend to see a flat hierarchy in which every possibility is an "option" independent of all other concerns. When it comes to analysis of politics, philosophy or literature, this approach just looks dumb, because it is a dumbing-down of a complex problem into an attitude that suspiciously resembles the search for technological solutions.
Thank goodness I'm not voting for plane designer or I'd have a tough desition.
Another journalist looked up the journalist who first broke the story, and asked her whether it was clear that Romney was joking:
There you have it from the witness, who is not necessarily pro-Romney.
This entire debacle then is more stupid political flag-waving that distracts from the actual issues. (If you elect a president on the basis of his sense of humor, you may be completely useless.)
This was my experience in college.
If someone brings up an aspect of reality that doesn't affirm that we're all exactly 100% equal, then call them a racist, sexist, bigot, homophobe, redneck, chauvinist, classist, ageist or genderist.
This allows all discussion to be shut down except that which fawningly panders to the idea of Total Equality, which has started to become a State religion here in the United States and Europe.
This reminds me of the final days of the Soviet Union. There was a shortage of manufacturing parts that made it impossible to make parts for some machinery. However, if you said that there was no way to make parts, that was admitting that the Soviet system had failed, so you would be shot. The only way to survive was to load boxes with irrelevant junk, deliver them as parts, and then when the failure was discovered, claim it was the weather or a manufacturing error. As a result, the Soviet system had no idea it couldn't make parts that it needed until years later.
I'm not denying the good intentions of many in this regard. I, too, have good intentions toward others. As a scientist however I'm only interested in truth, and not political "truth." That kind of fake truth can get us all killed in a nuclear war or other catastrophic failure, like the collapse of the Soviet Union.
This definition makes us all into bigots.
I'm bigoted against un-truth. Does this make me a bad person?
If that's the case, I'm not sure I want to be good!
On top of Romney being a moron, he's also a complete dick. His followers are low information dipshits who think climate science is a conspiracy theory and that republicans had absolutely NOTHING to do with the state of the world economy when in truth, American Conservatives are THE CAUSE of the global meltdown. Losers.
For a person who developed an operating system for everyone, and has done so much for open source, etc... going against the grain, as it were, for him to make these comments is just wrong.
It goes against what he seems to believe and things he has done in his life.
Disappointing.
We all have beliefs, and sometimes those are better left unsaid. Or, at least, said tactfully...
Better yet would be for Torvalds to have used some critical thinking (something he should be used to doing??) and realize Romney is Romney, Obama is Obama, and they both are human, make mistakes, jokes, and have religious beliefs that some don't agree with or even like.
Isn't that what Linux is all about? Individualism AND community?
I personally agree with him on the Romney comment. Although, People who say Morminism is "bats**t crazy" just have NO idea what the religion is or what it's about. Contrary to popular belief, it IS just another Christian religion and 90% the same as all other Christian religions. There are radical mormons, there are child molesting Catholics, but nobody in America believes Catholicism is bats**t crazy. Comon people, put on ye'r thinkin' caps. Be informed before you make judgmental comments.
Remember when he criticized GNOME? That was about as professional as a judge recommending a lawyer. What about when he called the OpenBSD team a bunch of masturbating monkeys? Linus is an a-hole. This isn't news.
He did not write "fucking", he wrote "f*cking". Which definitly is NOT profanity at all, but self-censorship inhibiting obscenity.
"The more prohibitions there are, The poorer the people will be" -- Lao Tse
That's just Linus saying what everybody's saying. Only when he says it, for some reason, somebody thinks its news.
Its not. The news is that a guy who has serious chance to hold a finger to the red button thinks airplane windows should be able to open. Or the rest of b...t crazy stuff.
Linus Torvalds farts, says he likes crumpets.
Political experts say this may reflect on the linux community.
News at 11.
Everyone can plainly see that everyone else's religion is just a bunch of hooey.
Which evidently suggests that all of them are.
... a jerk. 1) It was a joke. If you don't get that, then look in the mirror to find the idiot here. /. ??
2) Mormonism may not make much sense, however why does criticizing Islam cause riots but it is not only ok but politically cool to criticize Mormonism? Double standard, Linus and
... doing what maladjusted geeks do well. Who cares?
Basically Romney-Ryan campaign seems to be a bet on "People who are not rich are not-rich because they are dumb".
Why else would they attempt to fool 99% of us and expect us to vote for them?
why is slashdot censoring fuck and shit? how do i turn that off?
Most folks may have forgotten the great Minix/Linux debate of the 1990s. Perhaps Linus just wants to reconnect with Andrew?
He's right about Romney, but given the constant trickle of 'Torvalds calls $person a $profanity $epithet' stories on /., I think we could save a lot of time if we just assume that 'f***ing moron' is the default state of humanity in his mind and confine reporting what he says about other people to the times when he doesn't call anyone rude names.
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His points may be correct but his coarse behaviour reflects poorly on him. I like Linux. I love Git. I think he's brilliant. But I don't think he's a particularly nice or admirable person. And, because he is a public figure, I think his comments reflect poorly on the community that he (in part) represents. Didn't his mom ever scold him for potty mouth? Or is that an unpalatable trait that he acquired to voice his arrogance?
I don't really know much about the current US political race (not being American), but I can speak to laughing or smiling at inappropriate moments. For better or worse, it's most likely a schooled reaction. I've had plenty of times in my youth when crappy stuff happened. There are many ways to react - crying, screaming, whatever - which of course all have different consequences and counter-reactions. Somehow I ended up with a literal "grin and bear it" situation where it's actually quite difficult at times these days *not* to do so at inappropriate times. It's a reflex action.
Most times in the past it used to be good for helping me not get my ass kicked, although it also had the unfortunate side effect of me getting blamed for many things my sibling tried to pin on me (my "shit eating grin" - as my father called it - also tended to make me look guilty).
It's interesting to catch oneself in a situation of the inappropriate grin. I've actually had times when my brain is going: "am I smiling? Why am I smiling? I shouldn't be smiling now!" (especially after argument with my SO), often when the alternative is to break down and lose it.
So while there might be lots of reasons not to like the guy, an impulse inappropriate laugh or smile isn't really a good one.
Have you ever noticed the /. polls obey this? Almost immediately after a few people have responded to the poll the relative number of responses in each category hardly changes.
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Torvalds is a has-been. Who cares WHAT he thinks?
I mean, really. Didn't Mitt ever see Goldfinger???
Religions should be judged by the fruits of their efforts. When an Atheistic society produces something of value, let me know, I want to bake a cake and throw a party.
Some people are criticizing Romney for being stupid, while others say it was meant to be a joke. I'm having trouble figuring out which is worse. If he was serious, then he's about as sharp as a sackful of wet mice. If he was joking then it was a spectacular flop. I suspect a little of both. He probably knows that there is a reason the windows don't open on aircraft, though he has absolutely no clue what that reason is. And he probably has always assumed he's witty because people around him politely laugh at his jokes. So, basically what we have here is a fairly dim person who has a seriously undeveloped sense of humor. I don't know about President of the United States, but he's definitely corporate executive material.
Proverbs 21:19
No one really cares about what Linus Torvalds has to say about politics. Quite frankly people are listening to him less frequently about the state of Linux or Unix. His hot head diminishes his credibility all around. And when he spews such profanity he clearly shows that he is one sided and unable to make a reasoned or compelling argument. What ever happened to civility, logic and reason?
Linus, just shut up and stick to what you know best, lord knows you have plenty of patch work to fix there.
As opposed to the really clever idea about windows that open on aircraft. You know, so I can easily free fall with the supplied parachutes in case the plane has an issue.
Yeah, welcome to the internet. If he said "Your mom's a whore, you suck, rage quit and uninstall, COD FTW" I wouldn't be surprised either.
Linus graduated from the foremost socialist brainwashing institute (University of Helsinki) of a secular socialist utopia (Finland), so it's hardly surprising that he would jump at any opportunity to flame a religious right-winger.
I dont know why Linus speaking his mind on an issue, which is not technical in nature, is indicative of the linux community as a whole, or how OP made the leap in logic there... The question is trollish and misleading. Don't feed the troll.
Our media is so fucking stupid, that even Linus thinking Romney was serious. HE WAS JOKING YOU ASSHOLES!
The fact that the European perspective doesn't consider American liberals to be mud-flinging extremists as well shows a herd-mentality bias itself. Again, get off your high horse, Europeans suck just as much as Americans.
...telling it like it is. I lived there 30 years - beautiful nature, great skiing, all wasted on a cult of morons! Please read "Under the Banner of Heaven" before you vote!!!
Linus is a tech. techs are accustomed to looking at things as they are, and calling crap on stinking piles.
he's got his rights to call Romney a moron, and I say that not just because I agree with linus, but because that's the way that it is.
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
think what you will about the Mormons (I happen to agree with Linus), but I doubt the Finnish consulate is going to need any military protection, nobody's going to get dragged out and killed. the worst that will happen is a couple of over-entheusiastic, under-sexed, teen-aged adults will turn up at the door and ask them if they've heard the new message from God.
It actually makes torvalds sound like he is a "Bat S**t Crazy" mofo that is bound to get put on any and all watch lists because he over reacts to things that should have a reaction of "that is stupid" and move on.
Is netbuzz some religious nut? Somebody "uses profanity" is a headline? Why does the word fucking have stars on it? Is this Fox news? Some guy using swear words relects badly on an operating system? How did samzenpus even post this? Most pathetic Slashdot story for a long time.
Whatever,
Phillip.
Property for sale in Nice, France
I'd rather live next to a dozen Mormon families than be surrounded by "trollololol spageti monster har har arent i funy" types.
As a coder and internet denizen, I fully disagree.
Mormons, with their willingness to do things like shave and change their clothes daily will make me look bad. Worse still, all those pastel colors they are fond of. Where is the cheetos orange and mountain dew yellow?
Trolling is a art that I can appreciate and have a high degree of expertise in critiquing. It could become a wonderful neighborhood activity on pasta Wednesdays. The only bad part of it would be the annual chalk art Goatsee contest.
God this bunch of hypocritical libtards are a bunch of morons. They are more than happy to claim a joke was reality but they arent saying a word about the POTUS failing to protect US citizens and sovereign soil and making official government statements in defense of Islam (and I havent heard a SINGLE "separation of church and state" report on that one you fricking hypocrits). Jesus get a clue.
Just because you like and dislike people based solely on their party designation, it does not follow that everyone else must be doing the same thing. Believe it or not, there are perfectly legitimate reasons to dislike Romney, hard though that may be for you to fathom.
If I may return to the topic of the original post, this doesn't exactly mean very much. Torvalds seems to launch expletive-laden diatribes in every direction. Sometimes his tirades are right on the money and sometimes they miss the mark by a very wide margin. The simple fact that Torvalds directed a bunch of expletives at Romney doesn't tell you a thing about Romney himself.
Ahh.. Now we have to vote between a Marxist or a Moron. Maybe we should all write in Ron Paul! I don't like the way the Republican Party screwed him. RI and Virginia delegates were blocked from voting in the nomination process. Their buses were actually blocked from parking. The delegates should of got out, walked, and storm the convention to cast their vote. I hope there's a grass roots campaign to write someone in. I don't like Obama... he created an "Obamanation of our great nation". I can't vote for Romney either. I would vote for Ron Paul, he's for a flat income tax. I am all for that. Everyone should pay the same percentage no matter how much you make. That's fair.
This is political and religious flamebait to get Slashdot page views (click-whoring). This is not news for nerds and specially not "stuff that matters".
Also see http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3146679&cid=41474071:
If slashdot continues posting this trash, I will boycott it.
To slashdot editors: this can get you page views (and maybe ad clicks) in the short run, but it will scare away thoughtful readers/posters in the long run.
First, I'm neither Left or Right leaning, they are both a part of the problem. That said, I have noticed the press report things Romney says, out of context, making it sound unreasonable, or out of touch, painting this picture of him as a buffoon, and then quietly retracting, or giving the actual context after the damage is done. The public has seized upon the first report, and are buying the portrait wholesale. In all the hullabaloo, don't forget to think for yourself. Romney may not be the smoothest public speaker in the world, but Obama has been a massive failure.
Since I'm only given these two choices, I haven't closed my mind to Romney. Just because the press is trying to make it easy to dismiss him, while working hard to rationalize every thing Obama has done, I won't stop analyzing the situation. Don't get me wrong, I want a national healthcare system, a well-funded NASA, and other infrastructure improvements that can only come from the federal level, but we are not on that track now, and I don't think we should pretend to be. Unless our economic situation improves, none of those things can be paid for.
Romney has a successful track record in business and as governor of a liberal state with a public healthcare system that supposedly works. What has Obama actually achieved before or after becoming president, other than getting elected? I don't see much, and giving the order for the Navy Seals to raid Bin Laden's compound was a no-brainer, so no credit there. Not, trying to start a flame war, just saying; think for yourself. Torvalds' reaction seems like a "buy in" to the "Romney is an idiot" campaign, which itself smacks of manipulation. It seems like a lot of people wanted so bad for Obama to be great, that they have taken to any irrational means to defend their dream, but it was just a dream. Time to wake up. If you look at things clearly and still want to vote for him, then knock yourself out, but let the dream go, it's not real, and we all have to live with the results of this election. Or as Clinton's campaign once put it "It's the economy stupid".
Thanks and goodnight.
I think the only thing Linus needs to do is make it clear that he's speaking as an individual and not in any capacity related to Linux or the Linux community. The fact that he was correct in his assessments is just something that makes me smile. Their size and their business clout, plus a lot of lot PR has given the Mormon religion an aura of normalcy but taken strictly on it's own beliefs and teachings it would be considered a fringe, quite bizarre religious cult. Before anyone jumps up to defend the Mormon Church, go ahead and spend a good 4-5 hours visiting the Mormon complex in Salt Lake City, as I did a couple of years ago while I was passing through the area. Bizarre, intellectually bereft, culturally constricted, frightening political power, spookily secretive. My impression after my visit was that underneath the surface, there is something very unhealthy and more than a little scary going on. I left SLC depressed and concerned.
At Least Someone in the Tech Industry has the Cahones to Speak out against a guy Who wears "Sacred Underwear" ,and Believes that His Prophet got His messages from God by Looking into a Hat, Which His friend could Not hear or Acknowledge! Romney is nothing but a Job Outsorcing Corporate Raider,and an Idiot, Every time He comments on Foreign Policy, Our Nation Cringes at his Stupidity,and lack of Understanding of Current Events! He is definitely the Road to the Political Apocalypse ! You Go Linus !!
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than knowing about air pressure differentials of altitudes ?
Torvalds is right; the leader of the free world must not be a fucking moron.
Meh.
And I suppose that Mormons that use Linux should be offended and mad at themselves.
You gotta admit, though, that it wasn't much of a joke, and in poor taste to boot.
THINK! It's patriotic
Is Romney a God now, or since when is it "Is this just Linus being Linus?" if you call a spade a spade, so to speak?
Watch out for saying the truth like that. Romney mentioned personal responsibility and is getting nailed in the press for it. Apparently that makes you uncaring and condescending. Bill Cosby even said blacks need to step up with personal responsibility and he was labeled a race traitor.
In Judaism, Christianity and Islam (I don't know much about other religions), it is at least plausible that it isn't made up (so long as you don't think too hard about it). With Mormonism it is bloody obvious the book of Mormon was made up by Joseph Smith, so much so that you have to question the intelligence of anyone who believes in it, and whether that anyone who's bullshit detector is so badly broken they can't see Mormonism for the bullshit it is, would make a good leader.
He might lack tact, but is right. Romney is stupid and Mormonism is batshit crazy (I fell the same about all religions)
HA! You make it sounds like its all Obamas fault, when in fact Bush, Clinton, Bush and Reagan had more to do with everything happening now.
From that remark it's obvious what channel you mindlessly watch.
In fact the current Republicans filibuster all attempts to make things better just to make Obama look bad. And the the Democrats are so weak they cant even pass a jobs bill when jobs are the number one issue!
They all make me sick.
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You ask, effectively, "Is Linus just one isolated foul-mouthed curmudgeon, or are most Linux developers foul-mouthed curmudgeons?" When things go to hell, the person who keeps his head and holds his tongue... is clearly someone who doesn't care or who doesn't understand the import of what's happened. Mitt "The Twit" Romney is one of the most egregious excretions that U.S. politics has ever produced. His policies would be an abomination, if he actually held to them more than two hours at a time. Linus -- and perhaps the Linux community in general -- values facts, at least insofar as they walk up and kick you in the cojones. If it's irresponsible to express serious disappointment over current events gone obviously, horribly wrong, then we need far fewer responsible citizens. And by the way, is that stick as uncomfortable as it looks?
Really? This is how some of your time was spent today?
There is actually debate on this?
What makes a conservative conservative is to leave mud-flinging to the left.
Mormons believe the bible and in it that Jesus Christ, is the son of God, died on the cross, and was resurrected. Doesn't that make them christians? What makes them different from other christians is the fundamental belief that Jesus Christ also visited one of the lost tribes of Israel after he was resurrected "other sheep I have not of this fold..." as recorded in the Book of Mormon.
The site that goes over their beliefs is actually http://mormon.org/
For instance http://mormon.org/faq/baptism-for-the-dead is actually from the bible
my thoughts exactly. too bad your comment got buried under all the "romney is a mor(m)on" shite.
Linus was correct when he said Romney was a Moron and Mornism was batshit crazy.
That said, Linus does not speak for anyone buy himself. Dick "Toe Cheese Eater" Stallman, already laid claim to that right to speak for the Free Software Community.
Oh boohoo. Linus used profanity. Now I must go out and try to tarnish him.
The false dream of the great Obama, is as bad as an organized religion. At least the falseness of religions can be masked by the fact that they are based on things that happened in the distant past, before reliable recorded evidence was available. Obama's lack of credentials, leadership experience and accomplishments is clear for us to see, yet people cling to their cult leader.
That I agree with completely. Unfortunately, only about .000001% of the population (no, not scientific, heh) fails to fall for identity politics and, therefore, not see everyone that disagrees with them as an evil heretic. Congratulations on, apparently, being one of those few.
" does such outspokenness on non-technical matters reflect poorly on the Linux community that Torvalds leads?"
No, it does not.
Mormonism is batshit crazy. It's right up there with Scientology as a made-up religion.
Anyone with a scientific or technical background would dismiss it as batshit.
Most people just respect other people's religion so as not to make disparaging remarks.
However, as far as Mormonism (and Scientology, and many other religions) go, saying that they are batshit crazy is an understatment.
Mormonism is a cult.
It's the easiest cult to disprove because they claim to use the Bible. Then by that measure, there are pages proving Smith was a fraud.
An anthropologist friend of mine had a conversation with a Mormon.
Friend: So you're saying that the Jews came to America about 600 B.C.
Mormon: Yes.
Friend: You do realize that in 600 B.C. the Jews could make tools and weapons and jewelry?
Mormon: Yes.
Friend: So you're telling me that the Jews walked half-way around the world, and as soon as they came to America, they forgot everything that they ever knew? Please show me ONE tool or weapon or piece of jewelry that supports your claims. Show me any of the "ancient" civilizations that you say existed in America. And the best of all, show me the great Mormon plates that Joseph Smith translated.
The dead sea scrolls have been found to support the Bible, yet there has never been one single shred of evidence to support ANY of Joseph Smiths claims.
Joseph Smith was a liar and a sexual deviant. Polygamy is never supported in the Bible, yet is a condition of Mormon salvation.
Adam did not "become" God. God made Adam.
Jesus and Satan are not brothers. "John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave His ONLY begotten son,"
The Indians are "lamanites?" and are the lost tribe of Israel? Really? How retarded do you have to be to believe that? Put a picture of an Indian next to a Mongolian? See any resemblance?
Mormons are deceived and in complete bondage. Verify the facts yourself. The link in the original post puts these side by side.
Torvalds is a celebrity among the Open Source community, and has notoriety among some of the general public. I think it was completely out of line for Torvalds to call Romney a fucking moron, and the referring to the Mormons as battshit crazy. I am so disappointed in Linus.
I don't know the man personally, but this article comes to mind...
I'm not a complete idiot... Some parts are missing.
Is Linus acting out of character? Are we surprised someone would call mittens a moron?
guess it'll be Free BSD for me
I haven't known about /. as long as a lot of you, 2 years only,.so I can't know what it was like before then. I've read many saying it's not like it was. Sounds like it's evolved over time. What I like is the varying opinions from everwhere in the world, unfiltered, no matter the subject matter. And as for intelligent 'give and take', I haven't seen an equal to it on the net. Damn good site, imho, and I'd miss it if it stopped being.
Ignore the fact that Joseph Smith and one of the eight were gunned down by a mob even though they had the chance to run away. Ignore the fact that each of the three witnesses on their deathbed each testified that they had seen the angel and the golden plates. Ignore the fact that more than half of the combined eleven left the church at some point and were offered money to recant, even fifty years after Joseph Smith was dead, and they never took the money. There is physical, tangible evidence of the plates. . . the book itself.
Joseph Smith was an 18 year old with a third grade education on what was then the frontier of the United States. His family had to move several times as a child, his main occupation was clearing stumps, plowing and digging wells. The Book of Mormon has over 260,000 words (over 500 pages) and is a complex blend of history and theology. As Joseph Smith claims to have translated rather than to have authored the book, it has many features that has it compare to more of a Hebraic text than American Frontier English in the early 19th century. These are Hebrew writing styles and artifacts which typically aren't used in English. For example the Book uses chiasmus, colophones, and adverbials. If you know Hebrew, then you might find this article interesting:
http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/books/?bookid=72&chapid=862
As for our creator's interest in our behavior, I feel it is because He is our Father. He loves us, much more than we know. Any father would be interested in the well being of his children, and the instructions given are for our benefit. Please tell me, how does a hangover feel? Or getting pulled over for a DUI? My wife was raised in a broken home by an alcoholic grandmother. His commandment to avoid alcohol has been a great blessing for me. As is the commandment to be faithful to my spouse. She is my best friend, and now that I know her as intimately as I do, it would be a tremendous sin to betray her in any way. Since she has shared with me her feelings, her secrets and her trust how could I waste that trust on another throw away relationship? A deep, abiding relationship with one's spouse is a tremendous blessing. If you don't understand this, then I pity you. I have the best friend that anyone could possibly have. You know, one day I got called to Jury duty. She came down with me to the courthouse and wait in the jury waiting room, just to spend time with me.
I also know that God loves His other children on the earth as much as He loves me, and that they are my brothers and sisters. So, it is my responsibility to love them, even when they insult me.
Oh yeah, Mormons don't believe angels have wings.
Projects involving a BDFL tend to suffer, in reputation if not in functional potential, when s\he says or does something stupid. Among operating systems, this applies to Linux as well as OpenBSD, Minix, and others - but not to FreeBSD.
And this was indeed a very stupid thing to rant about. Romney was obviously joking. (Coincidentally, designing an aircraft fire extinguishing system that uses a rapid burst of cold air from the outside to "blow out" the flame, while probably not the most practical approach, is not outside the realm of possibility.) The only reason why anyone would lash out at Romney in this way is due to prior political convictions against him.
Celebrity programmers are obviously entitled to their opinions, but putting so much emotion into a political preference, even on a personal blog, inevitably influences the culture of their projects. The peer pressure among naive young people to support "liberal" (in USA'ian usage, s/liberal/socialist/) causes continues to grow. People who like Romney (or at least see him as a lesser evil among the viable candidates, as I do) will no longer feel welcome in the Linux world.
The choice of a restrictive anti-business "copyleft" license was of course a much bigger reason for non-socialists to avoid Linux, but now we have one more.
--libman
How is it logical to support a presidential candidate so dumb he doesn't know why windows don't open on airplanes? Seems the "logical" approach includes laughing at the worse candidate in order to support the demise of his campaign.
Learn to love Alaska
Seriously, I don't see the problem here... A politician who's main exposure in Europe is for the crazy things he's said about religion and civil rights, who believes that a convicted conman found and translated tablets which then mysteriously disappeared... and learned that Jesus was in Utah among other things... well... that politician shouldn't pretend to be stupid for a joke, if that's what it was... becuase people will see past the joke, and just think he's stupid.
Who is Seg Fault, and what is he doing with Kernel Space?
till Colbert jokes about this.
The Moron Church is worse than Scientology. It is a dangerous, violent cult and we don't need a cult member running
our country.
Bearing in mind that Linus is from a Scandinavian background, he probably looks at the political scene in the US as being a choice between insanely right wing and batshit-insane right wing. Which is probably being a bit excessively kind to the US political scene.
Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
Mitt Romney IS! a FUCKING MORON! I didn't make him stupid. Mitt did that all by himself he shows it each time his mouth opens and stupid shit pours out. Sorry but its the truth. Linus is just making a obersvation.
Best to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are a fool
Than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
I'm not sure they ever could, but I would agree they are even less so now.
Part of it is trying to get votes from everyone, I doubt many believe in anything other than what they need to believe in order to get a particular vote, Mittens is likely ahead of his time with the whole Obamacare thing.
The other part is the level of Corporate involvement, which as a rule a Corporation is the very antithesis of "sane" or "rational", they are their own crazy entities that exist for one purpose, and the fact that they exert the control that they do, only exaberates the whole irrational process.
Just so you know, not all religions are about crosses and magic men.
Whooosh!
"Or does such outspokenness on non-technical matters reflect poorly on the Linux community that Torvalds leads?"
When asked the Linux community directly their answer was "Eat a bag of shit.".
He sounds like euro chick with period. Who thinks that only she keeps all the keys to the knowledge. And if somehing doesnt fit. It must be stupid because shes not smart enough to understand this. Riiiiight way to go. If you leftist so smart why you dont move to comunist China? All the technology and wellbeing comes straight from Adam Smith ideas. Not Karl Marx but you guys have to spend a week in a work camp to underatand this I guess. Smart people can predict outcomes ang morons have to feel the pain, just dont force rest of us to follow.
Anonymous Coward criticises both.
Romney is demonstrably a fucking moron so calling a fucking moron is merely redundant.
It reflects properly on all experts who voice opinions in subjects which are not matters of their expertise. If you think this was out line, you should have read Terrance Tao's G+ post on why math is different from other fields of study. He trashed essentially anything else that humans do even though he only has cursory familiarity with it. Experts are human. Humans are fallible.
Any guest worker system is indistinguishable from indentured servitude.
Linus has already stated that he is our God. If he was going to offend (a) the religious types, or (b) any Gods that happen to be out there, he passed that mark a long time ago.
Is he going to insult those who already sided with Microsoft in deeming Free/Libre/Open Source "communism" and "anti-American"? I would be truly impressed if he managed to alter their opinion one way or another by one iota.
Is he going to harm Linux? Depends - if Linux becomes the "de-facto" OS for Democrats, then we could see remarks like this turning our current 1-2% market share into a 40-50% market share. Y'know, I don't give a fetid wombat WHO he offends if his remarks can achieve that! If he wants to verbally rake over the coals each and every demographic that will never buy into the OS, then provided he does so in a way that boosts popularity with the people who matter, GO FOR IT!
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
Romney is a f***ing moron. As for the Mormon comment, he is still 100% correct. I don't believe in gods, demons, ghosts, or gremlins. As if religion wasn't already silly enough, the Mormons had to make it even sillier with their magic underwear.
....Yup, that's about it.
You ignore evidence. You simply wave your hand that it doesn't apply. Does a poorly educated 19th century American plowman know what Chiasmus is let alone use it properly? What about all the other Hebrew language artifacts that I pointed out in the reply? You ignored it. If you were as familiar with the book as you claim to be, then you would know that the "reformed Egyptian" was chosen because the text was compact, but the writers never felt comfortable in the language. They preferred another. If eleven men were brought into a courtroom and testified in a trial, and they testified of a single thing even if someone of them hated the defendant would you ignore their testimony? Just because you haven't seen God doesn't mean others haven't. Have you ever prayed? Look, I don't insult Atheists because at one point in my life I probably was one. But prayer brought me back.
I'm sorry it seems that your argument boiled down is
I don't believe God exists.
Therefore everyone who believes God exists is lying or delusional.
No other explanation is possible.
I've seen statistical studies done similar to the studies done on the Federalist Papers that identify that James Madison was the principal author that show that Joseph Smith, Nephi, Alma, and Mormon were different authors. I've seen archaeological studies that show the account of Nephi travelling through the arabian peninsula and burying a party member in a place called Nahom was pretty spot on (including the burial place called Nahom). I've read accounts from non-Mormon scholars of how the "Tree with white fruit" fits spot on with what is known of pre-exilic Judaism worship with how symbols are used. I've seen how both Egyptian and non biblical Hebrew people and place names are used throughout the book in appropriate ways. I've seen comparisons between Semitic and Uto-Aztecan languages. There are other evidences. I'd share them with you but you don't want to engage. You tell and shout, but don't want to learn. You don't even want to step from behind the anonymous coward.
You call Him a monster, I call Him Father. He answers prayers and no amount of insults from an anonymous coward can convince me otherwise.
Whenever you want to discuss seriously my faith, I am here. Step out from behind your anonymity.
Stephen Hawking wrote: "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it's the illusion of knowledge."
This guy is obviously NOT a deep thinker.
See this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IeuE16LLDY&feature=fvwrel
And no, not an endorsement of Romney, just the disgust about Obama. Indeed, AlQaea has won in changing America into the direction of the AlQaeda home country, Saudi Arabia. Land Of The Shackled.
All the spooks who read this message - in Ft Meade, Frankfurt and elsewhere - what are you exactly fighting for ? For unlimited executive power ? If so, harass me, as you did in the past. YOUR liberties will be destroyed by this law.
One thing I really hate about this society is that stating the obvious but inflammatory 'reflects poorly' on anyone. Mormonism IS bat shit crazy (although so are most other religions). Really, read up on what they believe some time if you don't believe me. It's not quite as bad as Scientology but it's up there with it! Also, anybody who says being able to open airplane windows makes people safer IS 'A F***in Moron'. Unless maybe he did mean it as a joke. Then so what.. how badly should not realizing somebody is joking when they say something that is F***ing Moronic reflect on someone anyway?