So, this means squat to the vast majority of spammers. This will cover the mainstream companies that use bulk-mail, but the small timeers who are selling porn, medical scams, credit repair, etc are not part of these groups. These rules don't amount to a hill of beans with these guys. Expect the flow of spam from this group to continue.
Spammers can still email people. People who want to get ads about penis enlargement, or hot teen sex, or credit repair can still recieve it. But people who do not want it should not be forced to recieve it. This is what people have been begging for spammers to do since day one. People asked spammers to stop and they didn't. People started munging their email addresses when posting in public forums and spammers de-munged them.People blocked email addresses of spammers and spammers just changed addresses. People started blocking domains of spammers; spammers just registered new domains. If spammers won't listen to the people, maybe they will listen to the law. And if they still don't listen, the people can do something about it.
In a nutshell: If you have a previous relationship with a company/person, or if you request it. People can send you ads. However you can still send people unsolicited ads if you include the string 'ADV:' as the first four characters of the subjectline. If you are sending material that you have to be over 18 to possess, you have to have the string 'ADV:ADLT' as the first 8 characters of the subjectline. In all cases, you must include a way o remove yourself from the list.
But, many more people would rather not dael with spam. Plus, this law only works if YOU report it. It is not as if the police are going to monitor every mailserver in California and look for spam.
Yes, I do reply to logged in accounts. I do not discriminate against 'trolls'. As far as snotting on me, I thought only Taco did that.;) You aren't Taco logged in as a troll, are you?
At Purdue, where I got my degree, you have to take a wide variety of courses. The listing is here. Here is the bit you are asking about: Additional Requirements 33-40 credits
English composition: ENGL 101 and 102 or ENGL 103. 3-6 cr. (sem. 1-2) Modern foreign language: See the School of Science bulletin for requirements. 12-16 cr. (sem. 1-4) Humanities and social sciences: See the School of Science bulletin for requirements. 18 cr. (sem. 3-8)
How about if they stomp your flowerbeds? If I paid money for those flowers, yes. Just because something has no value to you, it doesn't mean it has no value to the owner.
Or rearrange your rock garden to spell out dirty words? You will find that people may not want to go to a store that has "Fuck off and die" spelled out on their front lawn. Lost customers == lost $$$.
How about if they egg your door or toliet-paper your trees? I would expect them to pay for the clean up, or for them to do it themselves.
You need to think about that, because that's the mental level that most kids who vandalize websites are working on. Like I stated above: Just because something has no value to these 'kids', that does not mean it has no value to the owner.
Waah waah waah. I want to break into other people's systems. If they
didn't want me running around in their computers, they would have patched
their systems. If they didn't want me running around in their houses, they
would have put bars on the windows and a security guard at every door. If
they didn't want me driving their car, the would have it locked in a steel
safety cage. If they didn't want me screwing their wife, they'd have
her chained to the stove.
Bitch, you break into my computer, I will press charges, I don't care what
patches I've neglected, nor do I care what clildish prank you are playing. Just because I forgot to lock my door doesn't mean
I've invited you into my house. Unauthorized access is just that,
unauthorized. Once little shit 'kids' recognize that every
computer connected to the Internet isn't put there for you to hack into or
DOS, the world will be a much better place.
Not exactly:) I deal with complaints about evil hax0rz and spammers. Also: Child porn, bomb threats, death threats, DoS attacks, people who think they are under attack (but aren't), fraud, copyright infringement. All the things that make the net wonderful.
Rights pre-exisit government, and we all have a right to build upon and otherwise make use of the IDEAS of others. Except we are not talking about an idea, we are talking about a product. Also, we are talking about piracy, not copyright infringement. I doubt any software pirates are building upon the software they steal. If you want to share ideas, why not trade in Open Source Software? It is legal to do so and from what I hear here on Slashdot it is better than most software the people pirate anyway.:)
Let's examine this, by making an illegal copy of Windows 2x, you have denied a sale to Microsoft and have cost them money. By costing them money, you have stolen from Microsoft. Every linux distro that includes Samba is a potential lost sale for Microsoft. For every one of those lost sales, Microsoft has lost money. If one follows the logic train, RedHat, Mandrake, SuSe, Debian, Slackware, Yellowdog, and countless others are stealing money out of Microsoft's pockets by costing them sales of Win2k. OMG! Are that f***ing retarded? Are you trying to say that if company A makes a product that competes with company B, it is OK to steal from company B?
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So, this means squat to the vast majority of spammers. This will cover the mainstream companies that use bulk-mail, but the small timeers who are selling porn, medical scams, credit repair, etc are not part of these groups. These rules don't amount to a hill of beans with these guys. Expect the flow of spam from this group to continue.
But, you do pay to recieve spam via email. That is where your argument fails
Umm... How exactly did posting to the Turd Report's journal 'stop' him? He is still posting and still making journal entries. Please explain.
BTW, love your journal.
Other have already found those IPs for you: http://www.declude.com/JunkMail/Support/ip4r.htm.
Spammers can still email people. People who want to get ads about penis enlargement, or hot teen sex, or credit repair can still recieve it. But people who do not want it should not be forced to recieve it. This is what people have been begging for spammers to do since day one. People asked spammers to stop and they didn't. People started munging their email addresses when posting in public forums and spammers de-munged them.People blocked email addresses of spammers and spammers just changed addresses. People started blocking domains of spammers; spammers just registered new domains. If spammers won't listen to the people, maybe they will listen to the law. And if they still don't listen, the people can do something about it.
In a nutshell: If you have a previous relationship with a company/person, or if you request it. People can send you ads. However you can still send people unsolicited ads if you include the string 'ADV:' as the first four characters of the subjectline. If you are sending material that you have to be over 18 to possess, you have to have the string 'ADV:ADLT' as the first 8 characters of the subjectline. In all cases, you must include a way o remove yourself from the list.
I believe that if the recipient or the sender is in California, they are bound by the law.
But, many more people would rather not dael with spam. Plus, this law only works if YOU report it. It is not as if the police are going to monitor every mailserver in California and look for spam.
Yup. The DMA. They want to spam you.
*sigh* Now it will be easier for employers/cops/whoever to scan people for evil drugs.
Yes, I do reply to logged in accounts. I do not discriminate against 'trolls'. As far as snotting on me, I thought only Taco did that. ;) You aren't Taco logged in as a troll, are you?
At Purdue, where I got my degree, you have to take a wide variety of courses. The listing is here. Here is the bit you are asking about:
Additional Requirements 33-40 credits
English composition: ENGL 101 and 102 or ENGL 103. 3-6 cr. (sem. 1-2)
Modern foreign language: See the School of Science bulletin for requirements. 12-16 cr. (sem. 1-4)
Humanities and social sciences: See the School of Science bulletin for requirements. 18 cr. (sem. 3-8)
Some did not. That type of scum is called a 'sales person'.
The argument that all people who deface/root boxes are simply misguided youth is equally waek then.
I think you are confusing accessing a web page with cracking my box. There is a differance you know.
If I paid money for those flowers, yes. Just because something has no value to you, it doesn't mean it has no value to the owner.
Or rearrange your rock garden to spell out dirty words?
You will find that people may not want to go to a store that has "Fuck off and die" spelled out on their front lawn. Lost customers == lost $$$.
How about if they egg your door or toliet-paper your trees?
I would expect them to pay for the clean up, or for them to do it themselves.
You need to think about that, because that's the mental level that most kids who vandalize websites are working on.
Like I stated above: Just because something has no value to these 'kids', that does not mean it has no value to the owner.
Waah waah waah. I want to break into other people's systems. If they didn't want me running around in their computers, they would have patched their systems. If they didn't want me running around in their houses, they would have put bars on the windows and a security guard at every door. If they didn't want me driving their car, the would have it locked in a steel safety cage. If they didn't want me screwing their wife, they'd have her chained to the stove.
Bitch, you break into my computer, I will press charges, I don't care what patches I've neglected, nor do I care what clildish prank you are playing. Just because I forgot to lock my door doesn't mean I've invited you into my house. Unauthorized access is just that, unauthorized. Once little shit 'kids' recognize that every computer connected to the Internet isn't put there for you to hack into or DOS, the world will be a much better place.
WU-FTP is free. Thus it is not theft.
Heh...oops. Thanks for saying thanks!
Not exactly :) I deal with complaints about evil hax0rz and spammers. Also: Child porn, bomb threats, death threats, DoS attacks, people who think they are under attack (but aren't), fraud, copyright infringement. All the things that make the net wonderful.
We are here 24/7/265. 2.5x pay helps to keep us here during the holidays.
Except that competitors are not compeating by selling a exact duplicate of your product. BTW, nice personal attack, it really helps your argument.
Rights pre-exisit government, and we all have a right to build upon and otherwise make use of the IDEAS of others. :)
Except we are not talking about an idea, we are talking about a product. Also, we are talking about piracy, not copyright infringement. I doubt any software pirates are building upon the software they steal. If you want to share ideas, why not trade in Open Source Software? It is legal to do so and from what I hear here on Slashdot it is better than most software the people pirate anyway.
Let's examine this, by making an illegal copy of Windows 2x, you have denied a sale to Microsoft and have cost them money. By costing them money, you have stolen from Microsoft. Every linux distro that includes Samba is a potential lost sale for Microsoft. For every one of those lost sales, Microsoft has lost money. If one follows the logic train, RedHat, Mandrake, SuSe, Debian, Slackware, Yellowdog, and countless others are stealing money out of Microsoft's pockets by costing them sales of Win2k.
OMG! Are that f***ing retarded? Are you trying to say that if company A makes a product that competes with company B, it is OK to steal from company B?