I am throwing money at the screen, why is it not working?
Someone make these games, I will buy them, so will many others.
Many, but not enough to quench the thirst of boardrooms. Look for games made by people who worshiped those games along with you. The IP for the originals will be too expensive, but creative people don't need IP to make magic.
Buy indie games direct from developers through GOG or Steam. It's win-win-win-lose (for big studio make-nothings like EA). Consolidation of the big players only cements the indie inroads. Like the music industry, they sealed their own fate long ago and can only acquire, not create, products of value.
Or we could embrace the coming stuffpocalypse in which all physical goods can be reproduced at home (essentially) for free and start thinking bigger as a species. Consumerism is fun, don't get me wrong, but it's just a blip and we have a lot of work to do.
So "the last thing" we want is to let ________ people have access to culture and education
This more or less describes my understanding of every human conflict in recorded history. I don't know why some people are so hell-bent to reduce the quality of life for others, especially in a society which would see a net increase to everyone's standard of living if we took care of the poor and vulnerable. I suppose it could just an instinctual us-or-them mentality; which isn't to say it's justifiable, but all people engage in the struggle between instinct and reason so it's at least understandable.
Then you need to state that in your original statement in order to have any credibility. Otherwise, you just come off as a knee jerk partisan hack.
Hatta remarked on a few of our most prominent national war criminals. The fact that they're all Republican wasn't anywhere in his post; nor was it relevant. Turn off "fair" and "balanced" reporting (which includes virtually all network news, I feel compelled to add) and try to understand that some things in this world are simply true, and all the spin and fake balance in the world won't change that.
"Opinions differ on shape of World" type reporting is the death of reason and understanding.
Actually, that's a perfectly valid point. My theory is logically sound, but I suppose there wasn't much to rebut. Incredulity is the kind of logical fallacy that makes me see red I guess. My bad.
Way to move the goal posts down to where the straw man is. Another reason I don't usually respond to people like you. Sorry your feelings got hurt, broseph. I'm constantly told I should hate myself for different reasons, and I don't care for it either. The advice I hear most often is to suck it up, cupcake.
Your original point was to dispute that geeks are more tolerant of gays. The only evidence you provided was your own incredulity. Then you changed the topic to how you're persecuted for your beliefs and declared victory. You're a huge hypocrite, and that bugs me no matter who you vote for.
Where are these crazy entitlement posts even coming from? You may not realize it, but this game was marketed towards the gay community before release - but they never put the work into the design. That's why it's so technically difficult to hack it in now. Get it? It was just a bunch of bull. That makes people mad. If this was about feature X instead of feature Gay, you wouldn't hear about entitlements or special interests.
This is like the black thing with Obama all over again. People are afraid to face their internalized hate of some group or another, and so they rationalize this kind of oblique discrimination. Look, we're all a little xenophobic - it's cool. But work on it, okay? Because it really feels like shit to be treated this way. And feeling like shit feels like shit! Which, if you've ever felt like shit, you know.
Every group thinks theyre more insightful, wiser, and generally more intellectually mature than everyone else
Less judgmental about sexual orientation is what I said, and nothing in your informative post leads me to conclude that nerd culture is less comfortable with gays than pop culture. As for feeling judged for being a conservative on slashdot, I have to tell you that I personally don't judge you for being a conservative, but if your post is any indication I DO judge you as reactionary and willing to warp logic and ignore facts to soothe hurt pride, or whatever your particular issue is. Now I know that's a kind of intellectual fad with conservatives right now, so maybe you just thought you were being judged for your politics when it was really because you come off as kind of a jerk. I admit that I am intolerant of jerks, but I'm not ashamed of it.
Actually, this is a brilliant point. A friend who bought the game with me for release had mixed feelings about gay content, but what really bothered him was constantly feeling like he was "supposed" to be hitting on all the women he came across. He wanted a toggle for NPCs flirting with him, because they were never cute guys and he'd rather just not have it at all.
A feature like this would have been a good way to plan for future inclusion of gay content, instead of the ways they did prepare, like by... um... promising to do something? Actually, it's clear now that they did zero to prepare for this. The technical problems they're facing are proof of that. It was all just EA doubleplus marketspeak, and that's the real problem here.
It isn't that Bioware is homophobic, it's that they appear to be enabling and empowering the homophobia of others by reneging on their original commitment to gay content.
Who is forcing non heterosexuals into one area? Nobody. This article is EXTREMELY biased and is completely misrepresenting the truth. Nobody is being forced anywhere, they are simply developing same-sex dialog stories into the new planet that they are releasing. They didnt have same sex storylines on previous planets, but from this point on they are adding it to all new planets, starting with this first one.
Why is this so hard for people to understand?
Makes complete sense. They are so committed to story integrity that you have to wade through 50 levels of hetero content (guys, there are a LOT of flirting dialogue options in this fscking game, even for Jedi) before you're allowed to be gay. Over there. Where good, wholesome, Christian Sith and bounty hunters can't see you doing your filthy business.
If they were actually committed from the beginning, they would have the dialogue written for all the content already. They'd have put the hooks in the code to drop in voice content when they could afford it. They could have prepared, and instead they made excuses, and delayed, and dragged their feet. I don't know why, but I don't actually care why either. They tried to boost sales by hocking to the gay crowd and then dumped us after release. Fuck 'em, I'm out.
Although the AC troll brings up an interesting point. I theorize that the rate of homosexuality among the geeks n' gamers crowd is probably higher than in the general population, if only because of the outsider appeal of the subculture. In my experience, us nerds are generally less judgmental about inconsequential things like sexual orientation and focus on things that really matter, like Who Shot First, or whether SSDs have finally solved the cost/performance ratio problem. Additionally, gamers skew younger (even with us Gen Xers bumping up the numbers), and young people tend to be more tolerant of gay folk too, in their way.
In any case, I'm growing a few throat oysters for Bioware the next time I see them walking down the street. They totally caved on their commitment to GLBT, which was a major reason I bought the game to begin with. At first it was "we'll definitely have gay stuff", and then around release they said "we'll have it in a content patch", and later they shoved queers back into the closet with "it will be a companion relationship only, so other people don't have to be grossed out by your gayness". Now they're backing away from that too? Just goes to show, a few Jesus nuts can really fuck it up for the rest of us when corporate interests are involved.
Support indie devs! Invest in crowdsource projects! Freedom is cheaper and better made.
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I am throwing money at the screen, why is it not working?
Someone make these games, I will buy them, so will many others.
Many, but not enough to quench the thirst of boardrooms. Look for games made by people who worshiped those games along with you. The IP for the originals will be too expensive, but creative people don't need IP to make magic.
Buy indie games direct from developers through GOG or Steam. It's win-win-win-lose (for big studio make-nothings like EA). Consolidation of the big players only cements the indie inroads. Like the music industry, they sealed their own fate long ago and can only acquire, not create, products of value.
with free electric sheep!
Just like my dreams.
EA doesn't make games, they make money-collecting Rube Goldberg applications. Any similarity to games is entirely intentional.
Whatever they offer you, don't feed the plant.
Or we could embrace the coming stuffpocalypse in which all physical goods can be reproduced at home (essentially) for free and start thinking bigger as a species. Consumerism is fun, don't get me wrong, but it's just a blip and we have a lot of work to do.
So "the last thing" we want is to let ________ people have access to culture and education
This more or less describes my understanding of every human conflict in recorded history. I don't know why some people are so hell-bent to reduce the quality of life for others, especially in a society which would see a net increase to everyone's standard of living if we took care of the poor and vulnerable. I suppose it could just an instinctual us-or-them mentality; which isn't to say it's justifiable, but all people engage in the struggle between instinct and reason so it's at least understandable.
There's always Rumsfeld.
Then you need to state that in your original statement in order to have any credibility. Otherwise, you just come off as a knee jerk partisan hack.
Hatta remarked on a few of our most prominent national war criminals. The fact that they're all Republican wasn't anywhere in his post; nor was it relevant. Turn off "fair" and "balanced" reporting (which includes virtually all network news, I feel compelled to add) and try to understand that some things in this world are simply true, and all the spin and fake balance in the world won't change that.
"Opinions differ on shape of World" type reporting is the death of reason and understanding.
You seem to be implying that "what really matters is technical / factual" stuff rather than ideological stuff
If youre reading anything more than that into my post, stop it.
back atcha
Actually, that's a perfectly valid point. My theory is logically sound, but I suppose there wasn't much to rebut. Incredulity is the kind of logical fallacy that makes me see red I guess. My bad.
In my experience, us nerds are generally less judgmental about inconsequential things like sexual orientation
it was claimed that geeks tend to be more tolerant and thoughtful, and here entire groups of people are essentially being called morons
Straw man.
Begone!
Way to move the goal posts down to where the straw man is. Another reason I don't usually respond to people like you. Sorry your feelings got hurt, broseph. I'm constantly told I should hate myself for different reasons, and I don't care for it either. The advice I hear most often is to suck it up, cupcake.
Your original point was to dispute that geeks are more tolerant of gays. The only evidence you provided was your own incredulity. Then you changed the topic to how you're persecuted for your beliefs and declared victory. You're a huge hypocrite, and that bugs me no matter who you vote for.
Eh, I don't hate religion, but it does seem to cause more problems than it solves, on balance.
Where are these crazy entitlement posts even coming from? You may not realize it, but this game was marketed towards the gay community before release - but they never put the work into the design. That's why it's so technically difficult to hack it in now. Get it? It was just a bunch of bull. That makes people mad. If this was about feature X instead of feature Gay, you wouldn't hear about entitlements or special interests.
This is like the black thing with Obama all over again. People are afraid to face their internalized hate of some group or another, and so they rationalize this kind of oblique discrimination. Look, we're all a little xenophobic - it's cool. But work on it, okay? Because it really feels like shit to be treated this way. And feeling like shit feels like shit! Which, if you've ever felt like shit, you know.
Every group thinks theyre more insightful, wiser, and generally more intellectually mature than everyone else
Less judgmental about sexual orientation is what I said, and nothing in your informative post leads me to conclude that nerd culture is less comfortable with gays than pop culture. As for feeling judged for being a conservative on slashdot, I have to tell you that I personally don't judge you for being a conservative, but if your post is any indication I DO judge you as reactionary and willing to warp logic and ignore facts to soothe hurt pride, or whatever your particular issue is. Now I know that's a kind of intellectual fad with conservatives right now, so maybe you just thought you were being judged for your politics when it was really because you come off as kind of a jerk. I admit that I am intolerant of jerks, but I'm not ashamed of it.
Actually, this is a brilliant point. A friend who bought the game with me for release had mixed feelings about gay content, but what really bothered him was constantly feeling like he was "supposed" to be hitting on all the women he came across. He wanted a toggle for NPCs flirting with him, because they were never cute guys and he'd rather just not have it at all.
A feature like this would have been a good way to plan for future inclusion of gay content, instead of the ways they did prepare, like by... um... promising to do something? Actually, it's clear now that they did zero to prepare for this. The technical problems they're facing are proof of that. It was all just EA doubleplus marketspeak, and that's the real problem here.
Even when I thought this might be a legitimate story, I mostly felt sad that people cared about relationships in a video game.
The only thing more sad would be people not caring about relationships even in a video game.
You need to check your heteronormative privilege. Portraying the full spectrum of human sexuality is more important than making a game "fun".
Those aren't mutually exclusive qualities to the majority of people who don't harbor hatred in their hearts.
Heathen.
my relationship option was Quinn, who really, he's NOT gay, you're *sure* Bioware?
Right?!
It isn't that Bioware is homophobic, it's that they appear to be enabling and empowering the homophobia of others by reneging on their original commitment to gay content.
I misread the last part of your comment as "ferry all the homophobic assholes to a single planet", thats a great idea!
Or should you.. fairy them?
Oh, you.
Sorry, but if you had used your spellchecker, you would have known that desease is not a word.
lol there is no cure for my ignorance.
That is apparent.
Who is forcing non heterosexuals into one area? Nobody. This article is EXTREMELY biased and is completely misrepresenting the truth. Nobody is being forced anywhere, they are simply developing same-sex dialog stories into the new planet that they are releasing. They didnt have same sex storylines on previous planets, but from this point on they are adding it to all new planets, starting with this first one.
Why is this so hard for people to understand?
Makes complete sense. They are so committed to story integrity that you have to wade through 50 levels of hetero content (guys, there are a LOT of flirting dialogue options in this fscking game, even for Jedi) before you're allowed to be gay. Over there. Where good, wholesome, Christian Sith and bounty hunters can't see you doing your filthy business.
If they were actually committed from the beginning, they would have the dialogue written for all the content already. They'd have put the hooks in the code to drop in voice content when they could afford it. They could have prepared, and instead they made excuses, and delayed, and dragged their feet. I don't know why, but I don't actually care why either. They tried to boost sales by hocking to the gay crowd and then dumped us after release. Fuck 'em, I'm out.
5 - 12%, depending on which survey you read
Although the AC troll brings up an interesting point. I theorize that the rate of homosexuality among the geeks n' gamers crowd is probably higher than in the general population, if only because of the outsider appeal of the subculture. In my experience, us nerds are generally less judgmental about inconsequential things like sexual orientation and focus on things that really matter, like Who Shot First, or whether SSDs have finally solved the cost/performance ratio problem. Additionally, gamers skew younger (even with us Gen Xers bumping up the numbers), and young people tend to be more tolerant of gay folk too, in their way.
In any case, I'm growing a few throat oysters for Bioware the next time I see them walking down the street. They totally caved on their commitment to GLBT, which was a major reason I bought the game to begin with. At first it was "we'll definitely have gay stuff", and then around release they said "we'll have it in a content patch", and later they shoved queers back into the closet with "it will be a companion relationship only, so other people don't have to be grossed out by your gayness". Now they're backing away from that too? Just goes to show, a few Jesus nuts can really fuck it up for the rest of us when corporate interests are involved.
Support indie devs! Invest in crowdsource projects! Freedom is cheaper and better made.
Well, *I* thought it was funny.