I don't mean to cause any disrespect to depressed people, I've fought with it myself throughout my life. The way I see it is that you have two very simple choices.
Realize that what's in your brain is being generated by neurons, and that your thinking patterns can be reinforced in various ways so through self control and willful thinking one can enforce healthy patterns.
Decide that the patterns are too enforced and take drugs that change the signals at the synapse, thus allowing you to ignore the bad patterns and take the opportunity to create new positive patterns.
Of course, the drugs will allow the old pathways to continue to be improperly reinforced, and eventually you will have to come off the drugs and use the new patterns you developed and get rid of the old ones.
It's also important to discuss the fact that our system of medicine is drug-driven, and while psychology could be considered on the fringes of medicine, from doctor to doctor you will find a variance in how loyal they are to the drug culture.
Haha that reminds me of Jr. High, when I discovered that the Apple II Es had basic compilers come up when you didn't boot them off a floppy disk. Mind you, these were frigging ancient, I was using Quick Basic at home, and it was a joy to discover that the school computers could be made to do something useful... Good times, good times. I was a little showoff back then, so I didn't get caught exactly, but I did have to assure the teacher that I could make everything normal again when he found out what I had been doing...
Sure, they may find some niche markets, but honestly it won't work (at least in the US) with the outdated infrastructure most of us are used to dealing with. Anyone on bandwidth restriction, or dealing with ISPs that do packet shaping of one kind or another, or still on dialup (many areas in the US can not get broadband thanks to various factors).
So what to do, what to do? I personally would love to have FIOS or some other level of service that would allow me to migrate partially online, but honestly at the rate things are going I don't expect this stuff to gain any momentum anytime soon, at least not in the US.
But now that you already have it, you definitely won't pay for it. 90% of the time, that's true all the time.
While that's true, I've heard it on the radio, in the bar, and seen the video. Just because I want to listen to it *on demand* does not mean I'm taking anything away from anyone.
Why not....teens have been doing this since the dawn of modern time really, and most all survive just fine. The only difference here was the mode of bullying...a computer.
Wait...they work for months to build up trust and then maliciously turn on their friends and attempt to destroy that person socially and emotionally, because of a made up lie they say they heard about the other person?
Holy crap, what kind of hell-hole highschool did you go to where this is a regular accepted behavior?
Technically routing and NATing are not the same thing, but meh I'm probably the only one who cares about that these days anyway. The rest of the points are valid, for some strange reason I must have hallucinated some confusion in the reply to your OP...I usually manage to resist posting when I've been awake for 24+ hours. Anyway I'll go back to my hole now...
I may be mistaken, but I believe that in this case the parent had intended to say open NAT/Wireless AP, not router. Typical mistake...in that case of course people would just be running packet sniffers. Man-in-the-middle attacks would generally be unnecessary, in this case, as it would be more productive to just record the packets and try to brute it later. Or, even better, just go after the unencrypted stuff and look for people with shares open, crappy firewalls, etc. I think I remember reading about people showing off how they could sniff google mail on open wireless networks at the recent blackhat convention too...
You're right, Jobs invited Gates to check out the Mac prototypes, and Gates agreed to license software for the mac. Then, at the last minute, threatened to pull the licenses unless Apple licensed some of the GUI over to Microsoft so they could build their own for the PC architecture. So bought? No. Innovated? Most certainly not!
Erm, well, in that case, I guess what I've been wondering all along here (using your analogy). How the heck do we get the ruler to the top of the pins when we and the ruler are part of the mattress?
Well, actually this works well in theory, but not in practice. People tend to do certain things at certain times, so for a mass majority that only use their internet first thing in the morning, and when they get home from work, there will be a degradation of quality of service. Your ratios, however, aren't nearly as bad as what I've seen in practice, so maybe that thinning of the margins could work.
The trouble is, what the ISPs are getting particularly picky about, is Bit Torrent type applications that people leave running for hours on end - often unattended. The basic theory of "not everyone will use %100 all the time" is generally shaped around the idea that with HTTP, you get short bursts of data and then spend time reading/looking at pictures/whatever. With the advent of IP-TV (heh yeah if that ever flies) and the ever growing popularity of online movie streaming from the likes of Apple and Netflix, we're going to see a move away from the burst-and-idle model, and an increase in the consistent usage model.
Are you saying that it was a mistake to search for an eighth planet where a mathematical analysis of Uranus' orbit showed that a planet had to be? Would science somehow had been better off if no such directed search had been made, and astronomers would have had to wait another 50 or 100 years for that discovery? And only then done the math and seen the connection?
Actually, no, being that said math was a direct result of the observation of the orbit of Uranus.
A wrong theory is something like the ether. There is no ether. What you're saying is that QM/GR proved Newtonian mechanics wrong. That's not the case, because I can still use Newtonian mechanics for most problems.
"More careful reflection teaches us, however, that the special theory of relativity does not compel us to deny ether." and "To deny the ether is ultimately to assume that empty space has no physical qualities whatever".
-- Albert Einstein "Aether and the Theory of Relativity", May 5th, 1920
Although honestly, I'm just a fan of Greek Mythology.
Looking at not clear and poorly understood theories, there is string theory, which has changed so many times that its not even close to the original anymore. The latest on string theory is that certain parts of it mimic what we know already, but exactly how it operates no one has any idea of. Another example is quantum gravity. Again, we have a general idea, but nothing concrete. However, just because we don't know the more correct theory doesn't mean we can't use the initial theory. Newtonian mechanics did not become wrong after QM and GR. Its just not as accurate.
Ok granted, I tend to take string and quantum theory with a grain of salt. Also, to a large extent, GR makes a lot of sense to me. What I suppose isn't making sense to me is the term used here. Looking over the math in the wikipedia article, it seems that we're looking for some kind of radiated energy, but nothing specifically in the equations seems to relate that what we're looking for is gravity. Or am I still missing something here?
Maybe it's just the skeptic in me, but did you just claim that it's a very clear and well understood prediction? Doesn't that imply hypothesis phase? Isn't LIGO part of the observation phase? I have a hard time swallowing the idea that it's a solid theory when we haven't even been able to create any reliable, reproducible scientific observations.
Thank you! I, for one, find it very curious that we expect to detect gravity in such a way. Seems to me that it's a very counter-intuitive force. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the concept of something that attracts, and moves at you at the same time. Or am I completely failing to understand what a wave of gravity is supposed to be doing when it hits?
Sigh...it's just so much easier thinking of it as a pressure system, in that case I can see the waves, but that being the case there should be a constant that we could always detect, and it should decrease between two bodies of mass. I'm a staunch believer that math should be used to prove observations, but never be used as a guide to search for them. And yes, according to my theory if a wave of gravity existed, and hit, we'd all get a bit heavier for a moment. Not hard to detect at all... Oh, also, negative pressure between objects with positive pressure pushing all around. Would also explain why everything doesn't just diffuse in a vacuum.
Not sure if this has anything to do with the parent's point - looking back, but I still agree with 'em completely, heh.
Considering that companies like Time Warner are attempting to severely limit the amount of data users can transfer. We'll see what happens once FIOS is implemented everywhere, but from the way the major ISPs have been behaving lately - your run of the mill end user type services will be punishing people who use (what I would consider to be) a really silly bandwidth cap of about 40GB/mo...and that's only if you pay for premium services.
I've worked on a few computers in my life. More than a few, who even cares - The point is, they made their music, software, and just about everything else, available to me. I may have even decided I wanted a thing or two I saw and I might have taken it. The point is I'm the one who made the violation, even if the computer owner was making the data available to me. Get it?
So you see, the idea is that I didn't act crazy like you people, I'm normal and I didn't need any laws, just a bit of education from parents and self experience.
That is perhaps the most intelligent thing I've heard anyone say about society and child-rearing in a long time. Actually it was a French-born substitute teacher I had back in high school that explained this to the whole class. I believe that the statement can be applied to almost anything, it's just a shame that so many parents are unbalanced, or "don't have the time" to do things correctly as your mother did...
True, however I find it's consistently the same sites. Generally, but not always, they are high volume sites. The error I get (on this ISP, when I was on an ATT circuit it was a whole different set of headaches) is a zero sized reply error. I hadn't stopped to consider it, but I suppose it could be some kind of caching. What kind of caching systems are there out there, other than say something like a transparent web proxy? Like I said, the (non-transparent) that my ISP provided me with works. It's a wacky setup, actually connect into the proxy on the gateway address and then come out on a completely different address. Up until now my assumption had been that the "zero sized reply" was the result of RST packets. Anyway yeah...something else to sniff out, whee XD
Anyway yeah again these guys are byte-counters, traffic analyzers, and do filter certain services - can't run a DNS server (makes the modem reset), lesse incoming port 80 is blocked all together, there are some other issues too, and I never bothered testing everything, but that's why I moved all services to a remote location when I took over that stuff out here) Heh and imagine this is a business line too...I always assumed that whatever tech was responsible for custom tailoring our traffic was probably to blame for the rest of the service being crappy, but erm yeah who knows these days anyway?
Hmm well generally at home I get "zero size reply" errors most frequently without using my ISP's proxy while web browsing. Also sometime IMs will get mysteriously dropped, etc...
The ISP I currently use believes that the "Average" customer doesn't need more than 3GB a week to surf the internet and read email. Not much to be said about that, other than the fact that I would caution you in your dissertation of the "average customer". Remember that averages, while useful statistics, never boil down to real human behavior. And yes, I use a satellite connection in a rural area and it's the best there is right now out here. When I was in the city Adelphia was AMAZING - for $40 I had unlimited everything, and even though I was quoted 3MB down, it often ran at 5-7 and still provided a healthy (but not mind blowing) 512k-1M up.
Now let's get on to why the "average" user should care:
Latency - DPI (deep packet inspection) is known to cause packet loss and latency problems. On a family member's ATT DSL I can personally attest that some websites loaded insanely slow or not at all (newegg.com, for one), while others loaded nice and fast. Routing through a proxy oddly alleviated this issue. I have the same problem with packet loss on my home ISP, where on several friends (and my old net link that my old roommates still have) these sites work fine and without lag at all.
On false positives and negatives: "False Positives and False Negatives
Although a signature is developed with the intention to uniquely and completely identify its related application or protocol, there are cases in which the signature is not robust (a.k.a. weak signature) and classification problems arise. False positives is the basic terminology referring to misclassification - or in simple terms - the likelihood that an application will be identified as something it is not. If DPI is being used for guiding a subscriber management tool, this may lead to wrongful actions. A typical example of such a wrongful action could be the mistaken lowering of priorities to time-sensitive streaming traffic and resultant introduction of unwanted latency or even packet loss. Consequently, when developing signatures, every effort must be made to achieve zero percent of false positives. A common way to strengthen a weak signature is to use a combination of more than one pattern.
False negatives refers to those cases where it is not possible to consistently identify an application - sometimes the identification is classified, while other times it is missed by the classification tool. There are various reasons for this phenomenon, the most common of which is the fact that some applications can accomplish similar outcomes in several ways in different deployment scenarios. For example, some applications will behave differently if the client software operates through a proxy or firewall compared to the simpler case in which the client interacts with the web directly. Therefore, in these irregular cases, if the signature was developed under the assumption of direct communications, it is likely that the application will not be correctly classified in the case of a proxy or firewall."
(from https://www.dpacket.org/articles/digging-deeper-deep-packet-inspection-dpi ) They also take care to (briefly) mention that applications signatures can change when upgrades come out, so the ISP better have an army testing every "acceptable" bit of software out there to keep that near zero percent on the false positives.
Now I ask you.... how many "average" users operate behind a firewall? Yeah...I thought so...they gotta test that too...
Not only that but if you read the article, they think that they can convince people that they need to buy "packages" so certain traffic is prioritized, gaming, VoIP, etc. Nothing like paying your ISP not to slow your traffic down...And yes, that article is trying to sell DPI as a good thing.
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I don't mean to cause any disrespect to depressed people, I've fought with it myself throughout my life. The way I see it is that you have two very simple choices.
Of course, the drugs will allow the old pathways to continue to be improperly reinforced, and eventually you will have to come off the drugs and use the new patterns you developed and get rid of the old ones.
It's also important to discuss the fact that our system of medicine is drug-driven, and while psychology could be considered on the fringes of medicine, from doctor to doctor you will find a variance in how loyal they are to the drug culture.
Haha that reminds me of Jr. High, when I discovered that the Apple II Es had basic compilers come up when you didn't boot them off a floppy disk. Mind you, these were frigging ancient, I was using Quick Basic at home, and it was a joy to discover that the school computers could be made to do something useful... Good times, good times. I was a little showoff back then, so I didn't get caught exactly, but I did have to assure the teacher that I could make everything normal again when he found out what I had been doing...
Sure, they may find some niche markets, but honestly it won't work (at least in the US) with the outdated infrastructure most of us are used to dealing with. Anyone on bandwidth restriction, or dealing with ISPs that do packet shaping of one kind or another, or still on dialup (many areas in the US can not get broadband thanks to various factors).
So what to do, what to do? I personally would love to have FIOS or some other level of service that would allow me to migrate partially online, but honestly at the rate things are going I don't expect this stuff to gain any momentum anytime soon, at least not in the US.
Holy crap, what kind of hell-hole highschool did you go to where this is a regular accepted behavior?
Technically routing and NATing are not the same thing, but meh I'm probably the only one who cares about that these days anyway. The rest of the points are valid, for some strange reason I must have hallucinated some confusion in the reply to your OP...I usually manage to resist posting when I've been awake for 24+ hours. Anyway I'll go back to my hole now...
There...fixed it for ya...
I may be mistaken, but I believe that in this case the parent had intended to say open NAT/Wireless AP, not router. Typical mistake...in that case of course people would just be running packet sniffers. Man-in-the-middle attacks would generally be unnecessary, in this case, as it would be more productive to just record the packets and try to brute it later. Or, even better, just go after the unencrypted stuff and look for people with shares open, crappy firewalls, etc. I think I remember reading about people showing off how they could sniff google mail on open wireless networks at the recent blackhat convention too...
Erm, well, in that case, I guess what I've been wondering all along here (using your analogy). How the heck do we get the ruler to the top of the pins when we and the ruler are part of the mattress?
Well, actually this works well in theory, but not in practice. People tend to do certain things at certain times, so for a mass majority that only use their internet first thing in the morning, and when they get home from work, there will be a degradation of quality of service. Your ratios, however, aren't nearly as bad as what I've seen in practice, so maybe that thinning of the margins could work.
The trouble is, what the ISPs are getting particularly picky about, is Bit Torrent type applications that people leave running for hours on end - often unattended. The basic theory of "not everyone will use %100 all the time" is generally shaped around the idea that with HTTP, you get short bursts of data and then spend time reading/looking at pictures/whatever. With the advent of IP-TV (heh yeah if that ever flies) and the ever growing popularity of online movie streaming from the likes of Apple and Netflix, we're going to see a move away from the burst-and-idle model, and an increase in the consistent usage model.
Anyway, that's my 2c....
Actually, no, being that said math was a direct result of the observation of the orbit of Uranus.
-- Albert Einstein "Aether and the Theory of Relativity", May 5th, 1920
Although honestly, I'm just a fan of Greek Mythology.
Ok last one...how can any self respecting scientist try to measure something like this without a tool that separates from space-time during the event?
Ok granted, I tend to take string and quantum theory with a grain of salt. Also, to a large extent, GR makes a lot of sense to me. What I suppose isn't making sense to me is the term used here. Looking over the math in the wikipedia article, it seems that we're looking for some kind of radiated energy, but nothing specifically in the equations seems to relate that what we're looking for is gravity. Or am I still missing something here?
Maybe it's just the skeptic in me, but did you just claim that it's a very clear and well understood prediction? Doesn't that imply hypothesis phase? Isn't LIGO part of the observation phase? I have a hard time swallowing the idea that it's a solid theory when we haven't even been able to create any reliable, reproducible scientific observations.
Thank you!
I, for one, find it very curious that we expect to detect gravity in such a way.
Seems to me that it's a very counter-intuitive force. I'm still trying to wrap my
head around the concept of something that attracts, and moves at you at
the same time. Or am I completely failing to understand what a wave of gravity
is supposed to be doing when it hits?
Sigh...it's just so much easier thinking of it as a pressure system, in that case
I can see the waves, but that being the case there should be a constant that
we could always detect, and it should decrease between two bodies of mass.
I'm a staunch believer that math should be used to prove observations, but
never be used as a guide to search for them. And yes, according to my theory
if a wave of gravity existed, and hit, we'd all get a bit heavier for a moment. Not
hard to detect at all... Oh, also, negative pressure between objects with positive
pressure pushing all around. Would also explain why everything doesn't just
diffuse in a vacuum.
Not sure if this has anything to do with the parent's point - looking back, but I still agree with 'em completely, heh.
Considering that companies like Time Warner are attempting to severely limit the amount of data users can transfer.
We'll see what happens once FIOS is implemented everywhere, but from the way the major ISPs have been behaving lately - your run of the mill end user type services will be punishing people who use (what I would consider to be) a really silly bandwidth cap of about 40GB/mo...and that's only if you pay for premium services.
I've worked on a few computers in my life. More than a few, who even cares - The point is, they made their music, software, and just about everything else, available to me. I may have even decided I wanted a thing or two I saw and I might have taken it. The point is I'm the one who made the violation, even if the computer owner was making the data available to me. Get it?
So you see, the idea is that I didn't act crazy like you people, I'm normal and I didn't need any laws, just a bit of education from parents and self experience.
That is perhaps the most intelligent thing I've heard anyone say about society and child-rearing in a long time. Actually it was a French-born substitute teacher I had back in high school that explained this to the whole class. I believe that the statement can be applied to almost anything, it's just a shame that so many parents are unbalanced, or "don't have the time" to do things correctly as your mother did...
True, however I find it's consistently the same sites. Generally, but not always, they are high volume sites. The error I get (on this ISP, when I was on an ATT circuit it was a whole different set of headaches) is a zero sized reply error. I hadn't stopped to consider it, but I suppose it could be some kind of caching. What kind of caching systems are there out there, other than say something like a transparent web proxy? Like I said, the (non-transparent) that my ISP provided me with works. It's a wacky setup, actually connect into the proxy on the gateway address and then come out on a completely different address. Up until now my assumption had been that the "zero sized reply" was the result of RST packets. Anyway yeah...something else to sniff out, whee XD
Anyway yeah again these guys are byte-counters, traffic analyzers, and do filter certain services - can't run a DNS server (makes the modem reset), lesse incoming port 80 is blocked all together, there are some other issues too, and I never bothered testing everything, but that's why I moved all services to a remote location when I took over that stuff out here) Heh and imagine this is a business line too...I always assumed that whatever tech was responsible for custom tailoring our traffic was probably to blame for the rest of the service being crappy, but erm yeah who knows these days anyway?
Hmm well generally at home I get "zero size reply" errors most frequently without using my ISP's proxy while web browsing. Also sometime IMs will get mysteriously dropped, etc...
The ISP I currently use believes that the "Average" customer doesn't need more than 3GB a week to surf the internet and read email. Not much to be said about that, other than the fact that I would caution you in your dissertation of the "average customer". Remember that averages, while useful statistics, never boil down to real human behavior. And yes, I use a satellite connection in a rural area and it's the best there is right now out here. When I was in the city Adelphia was AMAZING - for $40 I had unlimited everything, and even though I was quoted 3MB down, it often ran at 5-7 and still provided a healthy (but not mind blowing) 512k-1M up.
Now let's get on to why the "average" user should care: Latency - DPI (deep packet inspection) is known to cause packet loss and latency problems. On a family member's ATT DSL I can personally attest that some websites loaded insanely slow or not at all (newegg.com, for one), while others loaded nice and fast. Routing through a proxy oddly alleviated this issue. I have the same problem with packet loss on my home ISP, where on several friends (and my old net link that my old roommates still have) these sites work fine and without lag at all.
On false positives and negatives:
"False Positives and False Negatives Although a signature is developed with the intention to uniquely and completely identify its related application or protocol, there are cases in which the signature is not robust (a.k.a. weak signature) and classification problems arise. False positives is the basic terminology referring to misclassification - or in simple terms - the likelihood that an application will be identified as something it is not. If DPI is being used for guiding a subscriber management tool, this may lead to wrongful actions. A typical example of such a wrongful action could be the mistaken lowering of priorities to time-sensitive streaming traffic and resultant introduction of unwanted latency or even packet loss. Consequently, when developing signatures, every effort must be made to achieve zero percent of false positives. A common way to strengthen a weak signature is to use a combination of more than one pattern. False negatives refers to those cases where it is not possible to consistently identify an application - sometimes the identification is classified, while other times it is missed by the classification tool. There are various reasons for this phenomenon, the most common of which is the fact that some applications can accomplish similar outcomes in several ways in different deployment scenarios. For example, some applications will behave differently if the client software operates through a proxy or firewall compared to the simpler case in which the client interacts with the web directly. Therefore, in these irregular cases, if the signature was developed under the assumption of direct communications, it is likely that the application will not be correctly classified in the case of a proxy or firewall."
(from https://www.dpacket.org/articles/digging-deeper-deep-packet-inspection-dpi )
They also take care to (briefly) mention that applications signatures can change when upgrades come out, so the ISP better have an army testing every "acceptable" bit of software out there to keep that near zero percent on the false positives.
Now I ask you.... how many "average" users operate behind a firewall? Yeah...I thought so...they gotta test that too...
Not only that but if you read the article, they think that they can convince people that they need to buy "packages" so certain traffic is prioritized, gaming, VoIP, etc. Nothing like paying your ISP not to slow your traffic down...And yes, that article is trying to sell DPI as a good thing.
Ok so finally from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hart_v._Comcast
Now there is also evidence of Comcast using RST p
This was the best I could find so far as summaries go: http://www.sandw.com/assets/attachments/CLIENT_ADV._-_Open_Source_Software_(B0670583).PDF
From here: http://www.sandw.com/news-publications-155.html
More info that's a headache to read here, also a little older but probably up to date: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20060118155841115
Hrm, Tom's Hardware agrees with Gizmodo though. http://www.tomsgames.com/us/2008/01/07/alienware_display/