I love posts like this....ok here we go, try to follow the ball sparky.
I first started experimenting with djbdns back when it was DNScache. I have tried it several times. I have a large network with 6 DNS servers and a lot of domains and required interoperability with large universities bind installs. djbdns failed to make the cut on 3 separate occasions because of interoperability problems (with bind) and the requirement for many IP's (3) where bind needed only 1. We continually re-evaluate software so perhaps djbdns will make the cut someday.
Software rots when it isn't maintained or updated or when it's not allowed to be. Lets see, how many times since....1998/99 have I heard "NEW QMAIL COMING SOON". Yeah there is a new qmail, it will be here when it's good and ready, and it's real soon now
Bottom line, I use a good deal of djb software, including qmail, it's secure, very well written and works as advertised usually. I just don't believe in blindly following anything or anyone. djb software is not my savior (he is apparently yours) I use his software where it works for me in my network. I try to improve what I see needs to be improved, and I contribute where I can.
Get off your high horse before somone knocks you off. There is no one solution for anyone (vive la difference!). djbdns is more secure I'm quite sure of that. Even more secure than that is a computer that has no power, buried four feet under ground and has a horse pissing on it. I just can't get anything useful out of that computer.
From what I understand and have read BIND 9 is a total rewrite, supposedly with security in mind. No code was used from BIND 8 or BIND 4. BIND 8 still had a great deal of code from BIND 4, which itself was written VERY VERY long ago in a "programmers drunken orgy" of coding.
BSD users are still screwed if they downloaded the source and compiled from source. The changes to BSD's BIND 4 are only for those people that used open BSD's implementation of BIND4.
There are severl alternatives, and having used them all, we had to switch back to bind because of interoperative problems or performance issues. Some solutions are.....
It all depends if you have machines/IP's to spare. djbdns requires seperate machines for almost everything. If you want your load balancing DNS server run this, resolver run this, master/root server run this. While I use a good deal of Bernstein software, and genearlly really like it djbdns wasn't up to snuff. The other thing I'm worried about is that the software will be left to rot.
Qmail appears abandoned. Many people are making patches, but what a pain in the ass, get the source then apply the 3 patches you need and hope they work together. Qmail is a great program, BUT if the author isn't going to keep improving it, then he should turn it loose to those that are.
This isn't meant to be something that pokes fun at people that have something constructive to say. This is to poke fun at the people that simply don't give a flying f*ck, and choose to increase the noise. On slashdot the S/N ratio can get pretty bad when a bunch of dedicated trolls gets together. Instead of modding down, have them moved to the haters section.
Personally I WANT new ideas, and I do not to get upset at newbies or ignorance. I DO get upset with stupidity and childishness. While peoples opinions about what is childish vary widely. Posting "Yeah I'm first, lets goto goat.cx and grab some pr0n and BSD rules you stupid linux fuck. GNOME RULEZ" should go straight to the haters page.
There are a few good open progect "portal/slash" development tools. From the all encompassing zope to slash and php nuke. Why doesn't the new site do the following
Come up with and build an open source management software to allow some of the participating users to design pages on the fly?
Have on place where you can get GOOD descriptions of each kernel release changes (i.e. like Alan Cox's writing on the 2.2 kernel series)
track number of downloads from sources like "source forge" and links from "fresh meat". Post the most and least downloaded programs by OS
Obviously needs a web interface to irc!
Also have a haters page where people that don't like your interface/ideas/code/moderation can have all their flames posted for other people to laugh at. (slash dot needs this badly)
A news section so you can keep slashdot on their toes (competition breeds excellence)
Release notes on FreeBSD, BeOS and other open source OSes?
A hidden Porn section, reason......we're geeks, do we need a reason?
I wonder if it is cheaper for them to order CD-Rs and the like from US or other "non EU" countries. With every one talking about the global economy, wouldn't be neat to see a benefeit. Your govt. passes a law that makes things you want more expensive, you goto your on-line browser and BANG! 35 cents a CD-R. By a bunch and sell them to your friends:)
On the Internet, the struggle between freedom and state control will rage for some time. But if recent trends in online regulation prove anything, it is that technology is being used by both sides in this battle and that freedom is by no means certain to win. The Internet could indeed become the most liberating technology since the printing press-- but only if governments let it.
While some people laugh and say things like "That will never happen" or "Thats impossible" and "They can try and stop me, but they will fail, *maniacal laughter*". Let me give you a brief history lesson. 50 short years ago, policeman dressed up like militia members with ninja masks on would have shocked the nation. No knock warrants would have never been allowed, and there would have been a huge broohaa over police "anti-drug/anti-terrorist" tatics. These all exist today. We even expect our police to have fully automatic weapons when they charge into a house to resolve a custody dispute. I know that no one really wants to hear this, BUT, we have less "freedom" now than our grandmothers and grandfathers had. Between the War Powers act, the "War on Drugs" and various other "emergencies" that call for action. Get used to carrying your "ID card" and get used to the phrase "Where are you papers?"
If we continue to elect Nazi's instead of buying old memorabilia we're in deep doo doo, and that goes for the Internet as a whole. Well at least we all will look good. The Nazi's were the best dressed soldiers of modern times and I hope the underground will be alive also.
With MS being so prevasive in the desktop I would assume that MS would want to be a part of this. After all I'd love to sync my Ipaq address book with outlook AND my Cell Phone. The thing is MS already can sych with Palm Devices that it deems "good" (i.e. WinCE) And it leaves other "syching" up to third parties.
I noticed Avant Go was mentioned in the article. The Avant Go system is a perfect example of a 3rd party coming and and developing a something for a MS product because it was lacking that ability (Avant go allows you to sync across the network and through the web!)
Since MS, who has openly announced they are "going after" the embedded market is conspicuously absent I predict the following.
The sych will start to catch on and more and more people will develop nice applications for it
MS will decalare that the standard synch model is too limiting for it's products and introduce it's own standard
The new standard is based on "MS XML" and the sych software runs ONLY on win2k software
The new software is 100% compatible with MS office (i.e. outlook) any third party patches to use the standard sych will stop working after you install the latest service pack
MS absence smells bad in this context. I only hope that enough people have adopted the protocol and it's use is so ingrained that MS will have to come along. A good example of where MS had to tow the standards line is the netowrk protocol TCP/IP, if MS had had it's way, we would ALL use NETBEUI:)
On that same note I still find it oddly funny that TCP/IP is under Microsoft as a manufacturer when you add TCP/IP to any MS machine. Almost like they invented it (sub liminal associtation?)
and Verio suddenly caves in.....But it seems that thousands of their user use the "whois" gateway constantly. Mostly dialups if you do a reverse DNS lookup.
There are a million ways around the injunction. (see example above) I think from a moral stand point the judge is correct. Unfortunately being morally correct doesn't mean a damn thing.
SPAM uses extra CPU cycles, in some cases spam causes users to go over quota (is that a DOS attack against my users?) Is SPAM outlawed, is anyone REALLY doing anything about it?
NO Do i think that this ruling will change the unsrupulous? No. Hopefuly Verio will show us that it is a "good guy" and go about it's business the right way.
If it affects me it's more important than anything else in the world, and someone better fix it!
If the TV/Paper/Radio tells me it's so and so's fault I will believe it
I want mroe power produced now GOD DAMN IT
No nuclear power please
No power plant within 500 miles of where I am cause thats my back yard
No hydro electric, and why you are at it tear down those stupid damns. The fish can't have sex
You May NOT under any circumstances burn ANYTHING to produce power
Oh yeah, and deliver my new SUV gasguzzler mobile with electric everything to the new house with 1.2million electric appliances in them
Uhm, gee sparky, lets do the math. Is anyone suprised that there might be a problem with atitudes like those above? Lets try to be a LITTLE bit sensible. AND by the way, the CA power situation was PARTIALLY deregualted. So saying that the free market is the problem is not entirely correct, saying that deregualtion is the problem is not entirely correct. Sayint that stupidity and ingnorance is the problem would be correct.
Now I can write things like ax^2+bx+c=y and then explain the quadratic equation to people without needing a white board. This also comes in handy when dealing with teaching people to balance chemical equations and such.
Finally, a way to teach terrorists about fission with web pages that make everything look correct! This is truly a great thing, praise the green bug god for this. Now to have my minions can study mathematics and chemistry as i force them to slave away scraping watch hands so that I can collect enough fissionable material!
Most resposible ISP's do that, although it is AMAZING the number of people that absolutely refuse to do it! Cisco filters are easy enough to implement, Look here for examples for those interested
Tracing down a problem sounds good but remember Big ISP's like UUnet, sprint etc don't like needing to turn on some sort of logging to try and trace packets, it increases load on their routers/servers (if even for a few minutes). If the source of packets is going through a hugely congested site (MAE east) the likely hood of finding somone willing to do a trace is about.005% to -100%
quick story
I remember getting TONS of spam from a machine a major university. It appeared to be a machine running in the astronomy dept. I sent a nice friendly e-mail about it, as our users were getting 20 to 30 spams a minute through it and wanted to stop being told where to get Viagra (Bob dole already told us thank you). The official response from the sys admin was a none to polite, "Fuck you and mind your own god damn business".
My response was to cc that with a letter asking a bunch of questions to 2 local newspapers and 1 TV station and the president of the alumni association. The open relay got closed *magically*
What the point to my incessant yammering you ask? Sometimes ISP's (especially smurf sites in Japan *ahem*) need to be bullied into doing some of the most obvious, easy things. Some ISPs claim that filters cause problems, increase router load etc, etc, etc. The problem usually is that no one has brought it to their attention, or rather no one has screamed at them loudly enough.
And you sir are an Anonymous Coward. Your words doth strike at my sould. I'm so upset, I think I'll lock myself in my room smoke clove cigarettes listen to Marlyn Manson and tell my friends how depressing it is to be alive.....
The really neat thing about this is that it would allow us to make rescue attempts if something goes wrong. If something went wrong on a MOON mission, we would ahve left our astronauts out there to die. There would have been no way for use to rescue them. The president even had a speech written just in case. Starving to death or slowly running out of air doesn't sound like a good way to go.
If this can be made praticle (and lord knows getting americium is damn near impossible!) it make the possability of space exploration more inviting and less risky. The time to arrive at our destinations is greatly decreased and the saftey factor goes up. Just think, a trip to the moon could turn into a "three hour tour".
Who expected this on time? It's funny, whenever the govt gets involved in the "next generation" of technologies, it usually ends up completing the paperwork shorlty after the technology has been made obsolete.
When it boots it shows a Windows 2000 screen..... My XDM looks exactly like a windows 2000 login. No one knows I run Linux/FreeBSD/insertfavoriteunixhere, my CTO think's I'm a good little Microsoft boy. He's amazed by the amount of work I can get done. I keep telling him my outlook is fubar, so I'm using something else. He believes me.
I was introduced to PERL when a friend of mine decided to write his own MUD, in PERL. That was almost 10 years ago. I still play it. They are addicting, perhaps we need a Senate comittee to look into the dangers of MUD addiction?
Hmmm after reading this I am absolutely sure there is no such thing as "Average Slashdot User". We are a wonderfully diverse bunch, interesting read though.
Those guys dealing with the Satelite have my admiration. Think about this for a second, how many times YOU tried to update the software for a piece of equipment that is right next to you. How often was there a problem? 1 in 6 I bet. Imagine yourself trying to reach something that isn't next you, not even in the same state, country or world.
It takes patience, and a lot of persistance. Congrats to the ground operators whose persistance paid off.
microsoft needs to get a floppy award for more than just their name. Their employees using outlook and exchange server manage to compromise their entire network. Official response "Oh no, our netowrk is secure, it's this one little hole the found, and we plugged it". Office 2002 code anyone?
TMBG should write the "slash dot theme" this "open source" song will go with the slash dot PT cruiser. The song will be released in a new open source format called 'discus'. Discus players are few and far between but will soon be available for super computers with Gnome or KDE as a desktop only. A wrist watch version will follow shortly..........
be on the look out for the anime play station version of the slash dot theme song.
If you support KDE, or if you don't, you have to admit they are pretty inovative. This is very impressive. Hopefully other desktops will follow suit. Interoperability benefits everyone in the Open Source community.
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I first started experimenting with djbdns back when it was DNScache. I have tried it several times. I have a large network with 6 DNS servers and a lot of domains and required interoperability with large universities bind installs. djbdns failed to make the cut on 3 separate occasions because of interoperability problems (with bind) and the requirement for many IP's (3) where bind needed only 1. We continually re-evaluate software so perhaps djbdns will make the cut someday.
Software rots when it isn't maintained or updated or when it's not allowed to be. Lets see, how many times since....1998/99 have I heard "NEW QMAIL COMING SOON". Yeah there is a new qmail, it will be here when it's good and ready, and it's real soon now
Bottom line, I use a good deal of djb software, including qmail, it's secure, very well written and works as advertised usually. I just don't believe in blindly following anything or anyone. djb software is not my savior (he is apparently yours) I use his software where it works for me in my network. I try to improve what I see needs to be improved, and I contribute where I can.
Get off your high horse before somone knocks you off. There is no one solution for anyone (vive la difference!). djbdns is more secure I'm quite sure of that. Even more secure than that is a computer that has no power, buried four feet under ground and has a horse pissing on it. I just can't get anything useful out of that computer.
BSD users are still screwed if they downloaded the source and compiled from source. The changes to BSD's BIND 4 are only for those people that used open BSD's implementation of BIND4.
There are severl alternatives, and having used them all, we had to switch back to bind because of interoperative problems or performance issues. Some solutions are.....
Maybe one of these solutions will work for you.
Qmail appears abandoned. Many people are making patches, but what a pain in the ass, get the source then apply the 3 patches you need and hope they work together. Qmail is a great program, BUT if the author isn't going to keep improving it, then he should turn it loose to those that are.
Personally I WANT new ideas, and I do not to get upset at newbies or ignorance. I DO get upset with stupidity and childishness. While peoples opinions about what is childish vary widely. Posting "Yeah I'm first, lets goto goat.cx and grab some pr0n and BSD rules you stupid linux fuck. GNOME RULEZ" should go straight to the haters page.
Just a couple of ideas, best of luck.
I wonder if it is cheaper for them to order CD-Rs and the like from US or other "non EU" countries. With every one talking about the global economy, wouldn't be neat to see a benefeit. Your govt. passes a law that makes things you want more expensive, you goto your on-line browser and BANG! 35 cents a CD-R. By a bunch and sell them to your friends :)
While some people laugh and say things like "That will never happen" or "Thats impossible" and "They can try and stop me, but they will fail, *maniacal laughter*". Let me give you a brief history lesson. 50 short years ago, policeman dressed up like militia members with ninja masks on would have shocked the nation. No knock warrants would have never been allowed, and there would have been a huge broohaa over police "anti-drug/anti-terrorist" tatics. These all exist today. We even expect our police to have fully automatic weapons when they charge into a house to resolve a custody dispute. I know that no one really wants to hear this, BUT, we have less "freedom" now than our grandmothers and grandfathers had. Between the War Powers act, the "War on Drugs" and various other "emergencies" that call for action. Get used to carrying your "ID card" and get used to the phrase "Where are you papers?"
If we continue to elect Nazi's instead of buying old memorabilia we're in deep doo doo, and that goes for the Internet as a whole. Well at least we all will look good. The Nazi's were the best dressed soldiers of modern times and I hope the underground will be alive also.
I noticed Avant Go was mentioned in the article. The Avant Go system is a perfect example of a 3rd party coming and and developing a something for a MS product because it was lacking that ability (Avant go allows you to sync across the network and through the web!)
Since MS, who has openly announced they are "going after" the embedded market is conspicuously absent I predict the following.
MS absence smells bad in this context. I only hope that enough people have adopted the protocol and it's use is so ingrained that MS will have to come along. A good example of where MS had to tow the standards line is the netowrk protocol TCP/IP, if MS had had it's way, we would ALL use NETBEUI :)
On that same note I still find it oddly funny that TCP/IP is under Microsoft as a manufacturer when you add TCP/IP to any MS machine. Almost like they invented it (sub liminal associtation?)
There are a million ways around the injunction. (see example above) I think from a moral stand point the judge is correct. Unfortunately being morally correct doesn't mean a damn thing.
SPAM uses extra CPU cycles, in some cases spam causes users to go over quota (is that a DOS attack against my users?) Is SPAM outlawed, is anyone REALLY doing anything about it?
NO
Do i think that this ruling will change the unsrupulous? No. Hopefuly Verio will show us that it is a "good guy" and go about it's business the right way.
And saying I can't spell worth a darn and meant to hit "preview" would be better. Sorry for the errors.
Uhm, gee sparky, lets do the math. Is anyone suprised that there might be a problem with atitudes like those above? Lets try to be a LITTLE bit sensible. AND by the way, the CA power situation was PARTIALLY deregualted. So saying that the free market is the problem is not entirely correct, saying that deregualtion is the problem is not entirely correct. Sayint that stupidity and ingnorance is the problem would be correct.
Finally, a way to teach terrorists about fission with web pages that make everything look correct! This is truly a great thing, praise the green bug god for this. Now to have my minions can study mathematics and chemistry as i force them to slave away scraping watch hands so that I can collect enough fissionable material!
quick story
I remember getting TONS of spam from a machine a major university. It appeared to be a machine running in the astronomy dept. I sent a nice friendly e-mail about it, as our users were getting 20 to 30 spams a minute through it and wanted to stop being told where to get Viagra (Bob dole already told us thank you). The official response from the sys admin was a none to polite, "Fuck you and mind your own god damn business".
My response was to cc that with a letter asking a bunch of questions to 2 local newspapers and 1 TV station and the president of the alumni association. The open relay got closed *magically*
What the point to my incessant yammering you ask? Sometimes ISP's (especially smurf sites in Japan *ahem*) need to be bullied into doing some of the most obvious, easy things. Some ISPs claim that filters cause problems, increase router load etc, etc, etc. The problem usually is that no one has brought it to their attention, or rather no one has screamed at them loudly enough.
oh well you knwo what they say about fools....
If this can be made praticle (and lord knows getting americium is damn near impossible!) it make the possability of space exploration more inviting and less risky. The time to arrive at our destinations is greatly decreased and the saftey factor goes up. Just think, a trip to the moon could turn into a "three hour tour".
I for one hope they make it work.
Your tax dollars at work
Fantasy? Not any more
fast working on that new xdm login screen
Still fun, glad to see somone's writing a history
Hmmm after reading this I am absolutely sure there is no such thing as "Average Slashdot User". We are a wonderfully diverse bunch, interesting read though.
It takes patience, and a lot of persistance. Congrats to the ground operators whose persistance paid off.
microsoft needs to get a floppy award for more than just their name. Their employees using outlook and exchange server manage to compromise their entire network. Official response "Oh no, our netowrk is secure, it's this one little hole the found, and we plugged it". Office 2002 code anyone?
Glad to see some serious journalism going on here.
be on the look out for the anime play station version of the slash dot theme song.
How is that like IE? Explain slow, I have a hard time following some posters logic.
If you support KDE, or if you don't, you have to admit they are pretty inovative. This is very impressive. Hopefully other desktops will follow suit. Interoperability benefits everyone in the Open Source community.