Make perfect sense for more people to start looking at Linux as a desktop alternative (*gasp*). The recent news that we can't buy computers without an OS (welcome to the United States of Amerikka), leads me to belive that MS is starting to get scared.
Recent reviews of Gobe have shown it to be a good office suite, and one that understands native MS binary formats. I hope that the OS community can continue development and make it a real competitive force unlike mozilla. IMHO the non GPL browser OPERA is a much better product than the open source Mozilla, and I have no quams with paying for good software. I'd just like to see more world class software open source.
I love the article when it says things like "inexpensive driver of Web pages, e-mail systems and computer servers on the edges of corporate networks, Linux has begun seeping into corporate data centers where serious computing takes place" Serious Computing?? Lets see what causes the most uproard, a finacial report isn't ready on time, or your companies e-mail server is down.
Serious computing takes place wherever downtime cannot be tolerated. That is the very reason many web and e-mail servers have been running linux. An interesting article that shows the amount of ignorance about Linux that exists "in the mainstream".
SAPM work like a drift net. Cast a large enough net you will eventually find somone to buy your product. A success rate of.001% is great when you send out 100 million messages. I belive the famous quote is "A suckers born every minute" add that to the spammers moto "If I send enough of these out someone will answer" and you have marketing success for a SPAMMEr.
This article has NOTHING to do with SPAM or it's effectiveness. SPAMMERS JUST DON'T CARE. The story's author really should have labeled it differently, and the slashdot crew should know better.
1. MS had the Linux "Myths page", eventually even they didn't believe it and have changed their campaign. 2. Not so long ago "experts" were saying that Linux would never enter the mainstream. 3. More recently other experts suggest that Linux is an operating system "for web servers only" 4. Other experts say that Linux will only ever run on low end hardware and never get into the "Lucrative high end server" market. (IBM big Iron, DEC/Compaq/HP Alpha anyone?)
Will Linux succeed on the desktop? That depends on your definition, but considering what the "experts" have predicted over the years, I'd have to say that my money is on success. Experts, industrial leaders and their opinions don't mean much to me, simply because they are so often wrong about Linux.
Yes I do. The FBI has said that it monitors activity or interest in certain books. Hell I googled on 3 words and came up with this tidbit from www.gomemphis.com. It was the FIRST LINK!
FBI rules pit prevention of terror, privacy By From Our Press Services May 31, 2002
WASHINGTON - The Bush administration gave the beleaguered FBI broad new powers to monitor Americans on Thursday, vowing they would not be used to stifle free speech or dissent.
In a move aimed at averting another Sept. 11, Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft freed the FBI to monitor Internet sites, libraries, churches and political organizations, calling restrictions on domestic surveillance "a competitive advantage for terrorists."
So hop on down to your local library, ask for the following books, and if they don't have them, ask to get them on "Inter Library Loan"
1. The anarchists cookbook (Don't follow the recipes, they arne't *ahem* accurate) 2. Small arms of the world 3. Dog Day Afternoon 4. Any book on industrial explosives 5. Any federal paper of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons.
Now check those books out. I'd be curious to know if you were paid a visit. Then again, if you were would you know?
Orwell's vision wasn't wrong, it may be he just had the year incorrect. Not everything has come to pass yet. Yet being the operative word, especially if we as a society allow it. Just look at proposed legislation in our own congress (copy right and anti-terrorist and `protect the children`). Look at the DCMA (Is reverse engineering really illegal???).
Here are some other things that HAVE come to pass
1. Many Police units have their own paramilitary force 2. Camera Camera everywhere, and more on the way 3. Reading certain books can and will get you put on a "watch list" 4. Members of certain political parties are actively discriminated against (not all presidential canidates will face each other in a debate) 5. Loosening controls on wiretaps and eavesdropping (more so in Europe than here)
This article didn't convince me that our freedoms aren't under attack. It just reminded me how many sheep there are in the world
I disagree, this journalist didn't just "not take a side". He totally ignored one side giving it short shrift at best.
Any real journalist would have asked about the legal implications. They would have also asked about the moral implications of stealing somone elses bandwidth. To not truly mention those things shows the authors LACK of journalistic integrity (you know, get the full story, the truth).
The fact is that the con-man/thief mentions bouncing mail off from Europeon servers. Depending on which country he was "bouncing off" he was breaking the law. The con man mentions disguises the senders identity violating many local and state laws (this is not mentioned).
No sir, I don't want the guy fired, he can say what he will. I want slashdotters to let the paper know that this lack of research and failure to present the whole story doesn't un noticed. Telling half the story isn't satisfactory, or truthful. Here are some additional points missed.
1. He has clearly violated the AUP of almost any provider he has touched. (i.e. he disregards the rules of the road)The paper merely says that it's anti-spam activists got him cut off, not his actions. Not mentioning a BREACH OF CONTRACT seems rather *ahem* slanted 2. He has no qualms with stealing people's bandwith in Europe or Asia. (Remember many people pay by bandwidth for service, it's not just flat rate for their Internet access) 3. He claims 80 million real addresses (yeah right), this seems to be a claim that would be hard to verify, it should at least be questioned instead of reprinted as truth. (I'll be happy to provide a list of 10,000 addresses that bounce at least once a week because they don't exist and have NEVER existed, yet they get spam.) 4. He doesn't follow his own rules, guess how many hits "opt-in marketing" has that include my domains (or my clients). I won't even go into removal requests.
Spam is theft. I'll relax when the thieves are put where they belong, back in jail. Apparently some haven't been stolen from enough to care. I've not been so lucky.
This guy should have interviewed Al Capone. He could have told us how great the protection service was and how it filled a niche in the chicago market.
The author fails to mention what happens when he "bounces" messages off from those "Europeon" servers. Things like, legitimate businesses can't get their e-mail, servers crash, bandwidth charges are paid by the the people that left the relay open. Oh yeah, add to that his quote "I can touch 80 million people". If my mail servers are anything to judge by, I'd say the MOST he can touch is 1 million, generally we get more bounces from spammers than we get actual e-mail.
A liar, a thief and a con man. I sure am glad the Hartford paper decided to write about this guy. Please take a second and tell them how you feel about their article.
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Gun nut? Please come out to the nearest range and I'll be happy, or a fellow "gun nut" will be happy to introduce you to competitive shooting. 300 meter rifle competition. You will find nothing more relaxing and demanding after pounding out hundreds of lines of code, screaming lusers and the stress of a "/. life".
Add to that, my pistol has saved my sorry but once. My rifle saved my best friend from being run over by drunk rednecks, armed with a car (better outlaw those too).
What you really meant was "Gun Owner Fantasy Number #1 to be left in peace"
Ignorance begets fear, fear breeds contempt, contempt becomes hate. People fear what they are ignorant of.
Destroying auto and semi-auto weapons != "disarming the population"
Explain that when your armed with a single shot shotgun, and the burglar-thief-rapist is armed with semi auto pistol and 15 shots. He got his piece by robbing a police officer. Already happened in the land of OZ.
The first step to controlling the sheep is to disarm them. **oops did I say sheep, I met fellow countryman**
Oh so in 1999 Australia didn't change their firearms laws? In 2000 they didn't destroy thousands upon thousands of privately owned firearms in an effort to "fight crime"? Wasn't this in reaction to the "Mcdonalds Massacre"?
Is this wrong? According to my competition shooting outlook, some of the firearms I compete with aren't even allowed into Australia. Did they make a mistake? (doubt it) Please point out where that mistake is and I'll be sure to have it corrected so that other competitors will be better informed.
Sounds like fun, and the school gets double use out of the computers. Sounds like one hell of a LAN party. The people that say no, and hell no are just upset that they are
Out of High School
Don't live your disctrict
I think it's nice to see somone that says "do something for the kids" as opposed to "Blame the video games, TV, blah, blah blah". Tie game night to grades. You get good grades you get more LAN party time! How's that for an idea??
I don't care how they look at me, if they want my business (and they do) they will send me their sales document in the format that I specify it. IF the sales people can't perform the one simple function of giving me a document I can read, then I would never trust them with providing me a product I can use.
If people use an open source format and refuse to accept documents in a proprietary fomat then the point is mute. Instead of bitching about company xyz (or MS), start using programs that utilize open formats right now.
I guess it takes balls, and a LACK of apathy to start demanding that documents sent to you aren't in foo.fooo format. Balls are in short supply in the "corporate" world where apathy reigns supreme at the moment.
BTW, if you e-mail me, you e-mail will bounce if it's not a text or html message. It's a start for me. How about you?
Got to love the author of this article. The case here involves someone suing libel. Slander, and not telling the truth are not protected under the first amendment. The statement that all on-line publishing may go away because of this case is so chicken little one has to wonder if the author has feathers!
If a publisher is sure that their stories are well researched and the reporters have sufficient evidence to back up their stories, then there it doesn't matter what state you get sued in. The publisher wins. I think the problem comes when publishers (and other media for that matter) that have in the past published blatant lies, but are protected by a certain states week libel laws.
Isn't it a good thing that the press can be called to the mat for their untruths? I remember at one time the NY times oft quoted as "All the news that fitted to print". Yes inded, they WERE that bad (late 70's early 80s) After a change at the head of that ship, the NY times has redeemed much of it's former reputation. I believe a few law suits helped it along it's way.
Get a grip chicken little, the sky isn't falling. cluge
Quick examples of stuff that could should be ourright outlawed. If I truly were allowed to go after people for this simple legal point I'd go after:
SPAMMERS unsolicited phone advertisements Privacy Invading software cladestinely installed on my computer Bumper Slappers (Especially at election time) Joy Riders
Oh Christ people, it's fiction, it's not supposed to be history. It's a story, people. I guess only the dumb, the incompetent and pissed off movie reviewers would think that they movie makers where doing anything else but trying to tell a fictional story. How much did this reviewer have to drink, and how long has it been since he/she had enough ruffage in their diet?
U571 was no work of art, but it wasn't nearly as bad as perl harbor. I could rant on and on about that tripe, especially if I had a few to drinks.... but hey, I'm not a slashdot movie reviewer.
cluge
Re:the beauty of credit cards--worked for me, too
on
Disconnecting
·
· Score: 2
>Once you contact the credit card company and >tell them the charge is unauthorized, the monkey >is on the VENDOR's back.
Yeah spammers love this. They sign up for an account, spam from it. We close it down and charge them a spam clean up fee. They dispute both the spam clean up fee and the initial charge for service. The ISP GET *F*CK*D*, 2 charge backs, and cleaning out from asshole spammer who wants to make your penis larger.
Aup doesn't work, Credit Card companies simply won't allow it saying that we don't have a signature. THE ONE TIME I had a signature (on both an AUP and credit reciept) The credit card company dicked around for 9 months, and the spammer had long since cancelled the card. ISP screwed again.
Moral of the story, want to cancel, call your credit card company, they are your friend. They sure as hell aren't the small business guys friend! Unless of course your business is SPAM.
For those of you that know what your doing, you have already rebooted. For those that don't, it fixes problems so often that it is a solution after leading people through trouble shooting and all their settings seem correct.
No matter what we support, the answer to most calls is still "Reboot, reconnect it should work now". No matter what is installed, 80% of our calls will be OS related problems.
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Hmmm, that sounds like my experience with Mozilla.
cluge
Make perfect sense for more people to start looking at Linux as a desktop alternative (*gasp*). The recent news that we can't buy computers without an OS (welcome to the United States of Amerikka), leads me to belive that MS is starting to get scared.
Recent reviews of Gobe have shown it to be a good office suite, and one that understands native MS binary formats. I hope that the OS community can continue development and make it a real competitive force unlike mozilla. IMHO the non GPL browser OPERA is a much better product than the open source Mozilla, and I have no quams with paying for good software. I'd just like to see more world class software open source.
cluge
Serious computing takes place wherever downtime cannot be tolerated. That is the very reason many web and e-mail servers have been running linux. An interesting article that shows the amount of ignorance about Linux that exists "in the mainstream".
cluge
I'm about to explain how spam works, this is sad.
.001% is great when you send out 100 million messages. I belive the famous quote is "A suckers born every minute" add that to the spammers moto "If I send enough of these out someone will answer" and you have marketing success for a SPAMMEr.
SAPM work like a drift net. Cast a large enough net you will eventually find somone to buy your product. A success rate of
This article has NOTHING to do with SPAM or it's effectiveness. SPAMMERS JUST DON'T CARE. The story's author really should have labeled it differently, and the slashdot crew should know better.
cluge
Oh boy, here are some thoughts.
1. MS had the Linux "Myths page", eventually even they didn't believe it and have changed their campaign.
2. Not so long ago "experts" were saying that Linux would never enter the mainstream.
3. More recently other experts suggest that Linux is an operating system "for web servers only"
4. Other experts say that Linux will only ever run on low end hardware and never get into the "Lucrative high end server" market. (IBM big Iron, DEC/Compaq/HP Alpha anyone?)
Will Linux succeed on the desktop? That depends on your definition, but considering what the "experts" have predicted over the years, I'd have to say that my money is on success. Experts, industrial leaders and their opinions don't mean much to me, simply because they are so often wrong about Linux.
Why do we call them "experts" again?
cluge
Yes I do. The FBI has said that it monitors activity or interest in certain books. Hell I googled on 3 words and came up with this tidbit from www.gomemphis.com. It was the FIRST LINK!
FBI rules pit prevention of terror, privacy
By From Our Press Services
May 31, 2002
WASHINGTON - The Bush administration gave the beleaguered FBI broad new powers to monitor Americans on Thursday, vowing they would not be used to stifle free speech or dissent.
In a move aimed at averting another Sept. 11, Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft freed the FBI to monitor Internet sites, libraries, churches and political organizations, calling restrictions on domestic surveillance "a competitive advantage for terrorists."
So hop on down to your local library, ask for the following books, and if they don't have them, ask to get them on "Inter Library Loan"
1. The anarchists cookbook (Don't follow the recipes, they arne't *ahem* accurate)
2. Small arms of the world
3. Dog Day Afternoon
4. Any book on industrial explosives
5. Any federal paper of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons.
Now check those books out. I'd be curious to know if you were paid a visit. Then again, if you were would you know?
whats that saying about absolute power again?
cluge
Orwell's vision wasn't wrong, it may be he just had the year incorrect. Not everything has come to pass yet. Yet being the operative word, especially if we as a society allow it. Just look at proposed legislation in our own congress (copy right and anti-terrorist and `protect the children`). Look at the DCMA (Is reverse engineering really illegal???).
Here are some other things that HAVE come to pass
1. Many Police units have their own paramilitary force
2. Camera Camera everywhere, and more on the way
3. Reading certain books can and will get you put on a "watch list"
4. Members of certain political parties are actively discriminated against (not all presidential canidates will face each other in a debate)
5. Loosening controls on wiretaps and eavesdropping (more so in Europe than here)
This article didn't convince me that our freedoms aren't under attack. It just reminded me how many sheep there are in the world
cluge
I disagree, this journalist didn't just "not take a side". He totally ignored one side giving it short shrift at best.
Any real journalist would have asked about the legal implications. They would have also asked about the moral implications of stealing somone elses bandwidth. To not truly mention those things shows the authors LACK of journalistic integrity (you know, get the full story, the truth).
The fact is that the con-man/thief mentions bouncing mail off from Europeon servers. Depending on which country he was "bouncing off" he was breaking the law. The con man mentions disguises the senders identity violating many local and state laws (this is not mentioned).
No sir, I don't want the guy fired, he can say what he will. I want slashdotters to let the paper know that this lack of research and failure to present the whole story doesn't un noticed. Telling half the story isn't satisfactory, or truthful. Here are some additional points missed.
1. He has clearly violated the AUP of almost any provider he has touched. (i.e. he disregards the rules of the road)The paper merely says that it's anti-spam activists got him cut off, not his actions. Not mentioning a BREACH OF CONTRACT seems rather *ahem* slanted
2. He has no qualms with stealing people's bandwith in Europe or Asia. (Remember many people pay by bandwidth for service, it's not just flat rate for their Internet access)
3. He claims 80 million real addresses (yeah right), this seems to be a claim that would be hard to verify, it should at least be questioned instead of reprinted as truth. (I'll be happy to provide a list of 10,000 addresses that bounce at least once a week because they don't exist and have NEVER existed, yet they get spam.)
4. He doesn't follow his own rules, guess how many hits "opt-in marketing" has that include my domains (or my clients). I won't even go into removal requests.
Spam is theft. I'll relax when the thieves are put where they belong, back in jail. Apparently some haven't been stolen from enough to care. I've not been so lucky.
cluge
This guy should have interviewed Al Capone. He could have told us how great the protection service was and how it filled a niche in the chicago market.
The author fails to mention what happens when he "bounces" messages off from those "Europeon" servers. Things like, legitimate businesses can't get their e-mail, servers crash, bandwidth charges are paid by the the people that left the relay open. Oh yeah, add to that his quote "I can touch 80 million people". If my mail servers are anything to judge by, I'd say the MOST he can touch is 1 million, generally we get more bounces from spammers than we get actual e-mail.
A liar, a thief and a con man. I sure am glad the Hartford paper decided to write about this guy. Please take a second and tell them how you feel about their article.
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cluge
Gun nut? Please come out to the nearest range and I'll be happy, or a fellow "gun nut" will be happy to introduce you to competitive shooting. 300 meter rifle competition. You will find nothing more relaxing and demanding after pounding out hundreds of lines of code, screaming lusers and the stress of a "/. life".
Add to that, my pistol has saved my sorry but once. My rifle saved my best friend from being run over by drunk rednecks, armed with a car (better outlaw those too).
What you really meant was "Gun Owner Fantasy Number #1 to be left in peace"
Ignorance begets fear, fear breeds contempt, contempt becomes hate. People fear what they are ignorant of.
cluge
Destroying auto and semi-auto weapons != "disarming the population"
Explain that when your armed with a single shot shotgun, and the burglar-thief-rapist is armed with semi auto pistol and 15 shots. He got his piece by robbing a police officer. Already happened in the land of OZ.
The first step to controlling the sheep is to disarm them. **oops did I say sheep, I met fellow countryman**
cluge
Oh so in 1999 Australia didn't change their firearms laws? In 2000 they didn't destroy thousands upon thousands of privately owned firearms in an effort to "fight crime"? Wasn't this in reaction to the "Mcdonalds Massacre"?
Is this wrong? According to my competition shooting outlook, some of the firearms I compete with aren't even allowed into Australia. Did they make a mistake? (doubt it) Please point out where that mistake is and I'll be sure to have it corrected so that other competitors will be better informed.
cluge
Didn't they recently disarm their population? Looks like Big Brother was written about Oz. Be afraid, be very afraid.
cluge
I think it's nice to see somone that says "do something for the kids" as opposed to "Blame the video games, TV, blah, blah blah". Tie game night to grades. You get good grades you get more LAN party time! How's that for an idea??
cluge
it's good to be the buyer.
cluge
I don't care how they look at me, if they want my business (and they do) they will send me their sales document in the format that I specify it. IF the sales people can't perform the one simple function of giving me a document I can read, then I would never trust them with providing me a product I can use.
cluge
If people use an open source format and refuse to accept documents in a proprietary fomat then the point is mute. Instead of bitching about company xyz (or MS), start using programs that utilize open formats right now.
I guess it takes balls, and a LACK of apathy to start demanding that documents sent to you aren't in foo.fooo format. Balls are in short supply in the "corporate" world where apathy reigns supreme at the moment.
BTW, if you e-mail me, you e-mail will bounce if it's not a text or html message. It's a start for me. How about you?
cluge
Got to love the author of this article. The case here involves someone suing libel. Slander, and not telling the truth are not protected under the first amendment. The statement that all on-line publishing may go away because of this case is so chicken little one has to wonder if the author has feathers!
If a publisher is sure that their stories are well researched and the reporters have sufficient evidence to back up their stories, then there it doesn't matter what state you get sued in. The publisher wins. I think the problem comes when publishers (and other media for that matter) that have in the past published blatant lies, but are protected by a certain states week libel laws.
Isn't it a good thing that the press can be called to the mat for their untruths? I remember at one time the NY times oft quoted as "All the news that fitted to print". Yes inded, they WERE that bad (late 70's early 80s) After a change at the head of that ship, the NY times has redeemed much of it's former reputation. I believe a few law suits helped it along it's way.
Get a grip chicken little, the sky isn't falling.
cluge
Or the season final of Enterprise.
cluge
Yes.
Quick examples of stuff that could should be ourright outlawed. If I truly were allowed to go after people for this simple legal point I'd go after:
SPAMMERS
unsolicited phone advertisements
Privacy Invading software cladestinely installed on my computer
Bumper Slappers (Especially at election time)
Joy Riders
The list could go on forever.
cluge
Oh Christ people, it's fiction, it's not supposed to be history. It's a story, people. I guess only the dumb, the incompetent and pissed off movie reviewers would think that they movie makers where doing anything else but trying to tell a fictional story. How much did this reviewer have to drink, and how long has it been since he/she had enough ruffage in their diet?
U571 was no work of art, but it wasn't nearly as bad as perl harbor. I could rant on and on about that tripe, especially if I had a few to drinks.... but hey, I'm not a slashdot movie reviewer.
cluge
>Once you contact the credit card company and
>tell them the charge is unauthorized, the monkey
>is on the VENDOR's back.
Yeah spammers love this. They sign up for an account, spam from it. We close it down and charge them a spam clean up fee. They dispute both the spam clean up fee and the initial charge for service. The ISP GET *F*CK*D*, 2 charge backs, and cleaning out from asshole spammer who wants to make your penis larger.
Aup doesn't work, Credit Card companies simply won't allow it saying that we don't have a signature. THE ONE TIME I had a signature (on both an AUP and credit reciept) The credit card company dicked around for 9 months, and the spammer had long since cancelled the card. ISP screwed again.
Moral of the story, want to cancel, call your credit card company, they are your friend. They sure as hell aren't the small business guys friend! Unless of course your business is SPAM.
cluge
f*ck you Microsoft
For those of you that know what your doing, you have already rebooted. For those that don't, it fixes problems so often that it is a solution after leading people through trouble shooting and all their settings seem correct.
No matter what we support, the answer to most calls is still "Reboot, reconnect it should work now". No matter what is installed, 80% of our calls will be OS related problems.