Most likely they will outgrow this and move into security careers or get caught via tougher legislation and learn from thier mistakes.
What are they supposed to learn from their mistakes, pray? How to make a knife from a spoon, to hide it from guards, to stab people with it and not get caught? How to join a gang, make a tattoo gun from a ballpoint pen and a walkman, and intimidate the rest of the cell block?
I'll bet when the Mongols were rampaging through a village and killed every single person, they didn't realize how lucky they were to be slaughtered. They could have been under the yoke of the Big Mac!
You say that because you're not the one under the yoke. You don't live in the Brazilian rainforest and watch the cattle that end up in micky d's in a new field every two years, a couple miles closer to your home. And that's just one example, we could go into more.
You suggesting United Fruit was good because all they did was offer to sell you fruit? Oh, yeah, and destroy democracy and prop up murderous regimes in all those countries that don't matter...
He is equating a vandalizing french farmer to the men who began the American Revolution. That's fine except McDonalds is in no way oppressing the farmer.
That really impresses me. He is standing up for the victims, even though he is not one. How long did it take all these proud white American revolutinaries to notice that they had been treating black people like cattle? The time span between the revolution and the emancipation proclamation was pretty long...
It's easy to stand up to oppression when you are the victim, but not so badly oppressed that you haven't got more guns than your oppressor. It's harder to stand up when the people you are trying to mobilize are the oppressing class.
And that's whate Bove is trying to do - bring the crimes of oppression to the attention of the oppressors, who after all might have to do without some things if they stopped those crimes.
The fact that what he did, basically an unimportant act of vandalism, can be construed as terrorism (and it can) says a lot.
Terrorism is an act of horrendous violence aimed at unseating those in power.
The fact that anyone would consider this terrorism says, first of all, that many have accepted it as de facto that McDonald's has, or even deserves to have, more power than a democratically elected national government.
Furthermore, saying this is terrorism means that violence against people isn't even necessary to qualify as a terrorist. All you have to do is attack the mechanisms of profit, and you are a vile terrorist. It means that many people see assaults on millionaires' (divine?) right to make money without working to earn it as just as serious a crime as assaults on human life.
That is pretty scary, and if that is the system you want to set up, then you can call me your enemy.
Mac OS X is going to be BSD at heart, great! This means everyone's favourite CLI util ought to compile on it. But the interface is supposed to be designed, as indeed it needs to be, so that the commandline should be invisible to most users.
Seems to me that since there is already a whole raft of great open source software out there, perhaps the best way to get quick acceptance on Mac would be to write OSS Mac-style graphical front-ends to common GNU tools. That way, people would get the new OS, and relatively quickly a huge amount of software would pop up, all free. That would sure get people's attention.
This is what Apple's Project Builder is, I think, and that looks like it will be some really cool stuff when it goes GM. Apparently there were only two engineers working on the whole IDE. However, this is not exactly the sort of thing that your average user thinks of as dead sexy. A few ideas...
pretty-looking front ends for things like Apache, postgreSQL, etc.
Graphical configurators for kernel services like firewalling, NAT serving - have a look at the current competing offerings in connection sharing and firewalls for Mac, it's pretty sad.
droplet (drag & drop a file onto the icon to run) front-ends to stuff like ps2pdf, etc. The droplet is a very familiar interface to Mac users, and it oughtn't to be that hard to do.
This is really blue-sky stuff, but how about a graphical interface for stuff UNIX people now do in their favourite shell. eg. allowing pipelining from one droplet to the next by dragging arrows and visually building a new droplet to represent this pipelined command. This would mean droplets for things like grep would be invaluable.
All this being said, I'm not a Mac programmer. I'm a CS student, and I intend to start learning as soon as OS X is available, but...
I haven't seen a succsessful "Mom test" of Win98 yet; much less a "Grandma test" of RedHat; I think you may be optimistic about their ease of use.
That's why people are talking about Apple products. Their basic design process is based on <insert your computer newbie ancestor> tests. And they are successful.
Installing is not the same as maintaining; or recovering from the results of no maintenance.
Actually, Macs are also pretty darn good about dealing with lack of maintenance, especially with what most people use them for. And I suspect that when Mac OS X.2 or X.II or whatever comes out, that's one of the things that will be even more improved over the current system. This is slightly off-topic, but their new system of using a whole directory hierarchy that contains all supporting files, global configs, executables etc., but from a user's point of view acts as a single executable file should have a real impact there
That's why open source, free software with charges for support is a model that likely couldn't work for Apple.
Have you considered using those online age verification systems that some porn sites use? I don't really know how secure those are, or what information they offer, never having looked into them. (no really, I haven't. Honest, um, oh never mind)
Also I don't know whether that would let you allow people under the age of majority use your service or not. Maybe restricting your service to those over the age of 16, or 18, or whatever it is in the States (I'm just assuming you are an American company) would lend some legal weight to your terms of service, since then those not able to be bound by contracts could be excluded.
Absolutely right. At my school, there is the same problem - SSH only to get a shell, but then they use FTP not SCP for file transfers, so why bother?
And indeed, how are they supposed to do without FTP when there are not SCP clients for all common platforms? There was even a period of two or three months between the school's switch to SSH and the release of a reliable SSH client for Mac OS, when I had no way of getting a shell from off campus.
I'm not very happy using FTP with my password, but it's the only way I know of to save a source file on my UNIX account for compiling over SSH. And don't tell me I should be using a UNIX text editor, because I won't listen. vi and emacs may be great, but I have better things to learn. Not to mention editing with a noticeable network latency is just too annoying.
I'd like to. I really would. But gosh, look at that - no source code!
I'm not even one of these "all things must be under GPL or I will storm the head offices with a flaming pitchfork" types. I have just made the obviously crazy, frivolous decision to use a processor other than the x86. I'd be glad to run it if they would simply compile it for LinuxPPC and let me download the binaries.
I might use WordPerfect too, but wasn't there some sort of security problem if you wanted to do something crazy like let multiple users have access to it?
Personally what bugs me most is people who don't understand the meaning of a figure of speech, and get it the wrong way round. Like "I could care less"
Oh, and the use of literally to mean exactly the opposite - like when people say "He literally put his foot in his mouth"
It's not really a Mac board - the only thing that'll run on/take advantage of the things is Linux.
Mind you, if these things take off, especially if new Mac cases are made so that these beasts will fit in them (they're apparently a bit higher than standard PCI cards - hardly surprising), then it likely won't be long till someone works out a nice hack of the Darwin kernel...
Well, it is supposed to run in Mac 8600, 9500, and 9600 boxes. (Those are the ones immediately before the first G3's) So you could pick up one of those and use LinuxPPC.
If you also got a G3/G4 upgrade card, you ought to even be able to custom compile the programs to take full advantage of the newer processors...
I was even more surprised to see that the 8600, 9500 and 9600 were listed.
from the 9600/350 spec sheet: Data Path: 64-bit, 100 MHz Slots: 6 PCI Notes: One PCI slot occupied by video card. System supports 100 MHz cache bus, and 50 MHz system bus speeds.
from the 9600/200MP spec sheet: 64-bit, 50 MHz 6 PCI
from somewhere else on the Apple, re the 9600, I forgot to copy the link: Six PCI expansion slots compatible with PCI 2.0-compliant cards
does that provide any info? I don't know what PCI 2.0 implies, exactly...
I'm not an American, nor do I live in the States, so I don't know how widely known this is. If someone could clue me in it would be cool...
What I'm referring to is the fact that in the first democratic elections in South Vietnam, (in the 50's sometime, shortly after the Viet Min freed the country from French colonial rule) the Communist Party won. The Americans then rushed in and deposed the democratically elected communists, and installed a capitalist dictatorship/stooge government, so that the world would not see that democracy and communism are not mutually exclusive.
Sorry, I have no links on this, but I'm sure a bit of a search on Vietnamese history would turn this up. I believe the U.S. did the same sort of thing to a democratically elected Communist government in South America somewhere.
It's only off topic if you consider the morality of your actions to be a separate topic from the cations themselves - a truly sad, I would even say despicable, point of view
Remember, this is a capitalist country first, and a democratic one second - that means that voting with your wallet is more powerful than voting at the ballot box.
NetBSD works with them by default in the current version. As far as I know it works with all of them. Linux will work with a few of them too, if you feel like using a 2.3.x kernel and doing all sorts of kludgy hacking...
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What are they supposed to learn from their mistakes, pray? How to make a knife from a spoon, to hide it from guards, to stab people with it and not get caught? How to join a gang, make a tattoo gun from a ballpoint pen and a walkman, and intimidate the rest of the cell block?
Great...
Absolutely right!!! And your sig is hilarious too.
You say that because you're not the one under the yoke. You don't live in the Brazilian rainforest and watch the cattle that end up in micky d's in a new field every two years, a couple miles closer to your home. And that's just one example, we could go into more.
You suggesting United Fruit was good because all they did was offer to sell you fruit? Oh, yeah, and destroy democracy and prop up murderous regimes in all those countries that don't matter...
He is equating a vandalizing french farmer to the men who began the American Revolution. That's fine except McDonalds is in no way oppressing the farmer.
That really impresses me. He is standing up for the victims, even though he is not one. How long did it take all these proud white American revolutinaries to notice that they had been treating black people like cattle? The time span between the revolution and the emancipation proclamation was pretty long...
It's easy to stand up to oppression when you are the victim, but not so badly oppressed that you haven't got more guns than your oppressor. It's harder to stand up when the people you are trying to mobilize are the oppressing class.
And that's whate Bove is trying to do - bring the crimes of oppression to the attention of the oppressors, who after all might have to do without some things if they stopped those crimes.
Terrorism is an act of horrendous violence aimed at unseating those in power.
The fact that anyone would consider this terrorism says, first of all, that many have accepted it as de facto that McDonald's has, or even deserves to have, more power than a democratically elected national government.
Furthermore, saying this is terrorism means that violence against people isn't even necessary to qualify as a terrorist. All you have to do is attack the mechanisms of profit, and you are a vile terrorist. It means that many people see assaults on millionaires' (divine?) right to make money without working to earn it as just as serious a crime as assaults on human life.
That is pretty scary, and if that is the system you want to set up, then you can call me your enemy.
I was getting all ready to mod you up, then those last two paragraphs...
Mac OS X is going to be BSD at heart, great! This means everyone's favourite CLI util ought to compile on it. But the interface is supposed to be designed, as indeed it needs to be, so that the commandline should be invisible to most users.
Seems to me that since there is already a whole raft of great open source software out there, perhaps the best way to get quick acceptance on Mac would be to write OSS Mac-style graphical front-ends to common GNU tools. That way, people would get the new OS, and relatively quickly a huge amount of software would pop up, all free. That would sure get people's attention.
This is what Apple's Project Builder is, I think, and that looks like it will be some really cool stuff when it goes GM. Apparently there were only two engineers working on the whole IDE. However, this is not exactly the sort of thing that your average user thinks of as dead sexy. A few ideas...
All this being said, I'm not a Mac programmer. I'm a CS student, and I intend to start learning as soon as OS X is available, but...
The operating system itself does not include any GNU code at all (or at least it's not supposed to).
Wrongo! The operating system core - the BSD and Mach layers - is all under GPL.
It is mentioned in the article, and they list a number of problems/reasons they haven't done it yet.
iCab's error report found 362 errors, and it's really picky. But the use of ’ for an apostrophe was not reported as an error.
That's why people are talking about Apple products. Their basic design process is based on <insert your computer newbie ancestor> tests. And they are successful.
Installing is not the same as maintaining; or recovering from the results of no maintenance.
Actually, Macs are also pretty darn good about dealing with lack of maintenance, especially with what most people use them for. And I suspect that when Mac OS X.2 or X.II or whatever comes out, that's one of the things that will be even more improved over the current system. This is slightly off-topic, but their new system of using a whole directory hierarchy that contains all supporting files, global configs, executables etc., but from a user's point of view acts as a single executable file should have a real impact there
That's why open source, free software with charges for support is a model that likely couldn't work for Apple.
Also I don't know whether that would let you allow people under the age of majority use your service or not. Maybe restricting your service to those over the age of 16, or 18, or whatever it is in the States (I'm just assuming you are an American company) would lend some legal weight to your terms of service, since then those not able to be bound by contracts could be excluded.
...for the info! I'll look into that
And indeed, how are they supposed to do without FTP when there are not SCP clients for all common platforms? There was even a period of two or three months between the school's switch to SSH and the release of a reliable SSH client for Mac OS, when I had no way of getting a shell from off campus.
I'm not very happy using FTP with my password, but it's the only way I know of to save a source file on my UNIX account for compiling over SSH.
And don't tell me I should be using a UNIX text editor, because I won't listen. vi and emacs may be great, but I have better things to learn. Not to mention editing with a noticeable network latency is just too annoying.
I'm not even one of these "all things must be under GPL or I will storm the head offices with a flaming pitchfork" types. I have just made the obviously crazy, frivolous decision to use a processor other than the x86. I'd be glad to run it if they would simply compile it for LinuxPPC and let me download the binaries.
I might use WordPerfect too, but wasn't there some sort of security problem if you wanted to do something crazy like let multiple users have access to it?
I'm probably not telling you anything you don't know, but NetBSD is binary compatible with FreeBSD and Linux, at least on x86
Personally what bugs me most is people who don't understand the meaning of a figure of speech, and get it the wrong way round. Like "I could care less"
Oh, and the use of literally to mean exactly the opposite - like when people say "He literally put his foot in his mouth"
Mind you, if these things take off, especially if new Mac cases are made so that these beasts will fit in them (they're apparently a bit higher than standard PCI cards - hardly surprising), then it likely won't be long till someone works out a nice hack of the Darwin kernel...
That's only if you want to close your case? Well, no problem then!
If you also got a G3/G4 upgrade card, you ought to even be able to custom compile the programs to take full advantage of the newer processors...
drool...
from the 9600/350 spec sheet:
Data Path: 64-bit, 100 MHz
Slots: 6 PCI
Notes: One PCI slot occupied by video card. System supports 100 MHz cache bus, and 50 MHz system bus speeds.
from the 9600/200MP spec sheet:
64-bit, 50 MHz
6 PCI
from somewhere else on the Apple, re the 9600, I forgot to copy the link:
Six PCI expansion slots compatible with PCI 2.0-compliant cards
does that provide any info? I don't know what PCI 2.0 implies, exactly...
What I'm referring to is the fact that in the first democratic elections in South Vietnam, (in the 50's sometime, shortly after the Viet Min freed the country from French colonial rule) the Communist Party won. The Americans then rushed in and deposed the democratically elected communists, and installed a capitalist dictatorship/stooge government, so that the world would not see that democracy and communism are not mutually exclusive.
Sorry, I have no links on this, but I'm sure a bit of a search on Vietnamese history would turn this up. I believe the U.S. did the same sort of thing to a democratically elected Communist government in South America somewhere.
Remember, this is a capitalist country first, and a democratic one second - that means that voting with your wallet is more powerful than voting at the ballot box.
Aren't those Canadian shows re-broadcast from the CBC? This is an honest question, really.
NetBSD works with them by default in the current version. As far as I know it works with all of them. Linux will work with a few of them too, if you feel like using a 2.3.x kernel and doing all sorts of kludgy hacking...