When I've seen price differences in the past, linux was usually *more*--I'm guessing that the support costs are higher (including training people to support, etc.).
Linux was available on this laptop, but it was kind of silly to take that version for an extra few bucks, especially since we planned on freebsd anyway . . .
>If I could tattoo one thing on everyone's head,
>it'd be: "Correlation does not equal causation!"
Well, almost. The back of the hand or eyelids, or the back of the person in front's head . . .
I tell my stat classes that they should chant "correllation does not imply causation" several minutes each night, and offer a bonus point on the last test for remembering to work the mantra in . . .
Have you ever actually tasted aspirin? Wretched stuff . . . but once, the searing headache was bad enough that once they found the bottle in Costco, I ripped it open (or did they?) and was chewing immediately.
Kinds of citrusy behind the wretchedness.
hawk, who hopes never to do that again, and needs to figure out which red wines are giving him sinus headaches
The 100 came with 8k, expandable to 32k. There were three quite similar machines, but I forget who sold the other two. I think the 100 was distinguished by the internal modem, but it's been a while:)
I used a 102, the updated model, in law school *87-88). It came with 24k, and I never got around to getting the 8k chip to put in the empty socket when they dropped down to $5 or so.
At the time in san diego, there was a bbs that actually *ran* on one of these (1.2mhz 8080 equiv, 300 baud internal pulse dialing modem).
I had the expansion disk, but it wasn't much use--50k (100k? ) on a 3.5" disk. I usually just threw the files to a basic program on a mac to catch them. I also found a program that would run on my XT to let it serve as a "Disk" for the 102 (the disk connected by standard rs-232).
The display was an amazing 8x40, though there was a function key to display the other/prior 8 lines. You could also bit address the pixels.
The simple flat design still beats the clamshell laptop design if you're just typing in text; it's much easier to balance.
It wanted 4 AA batteries for something like 20 hours on alkalines. Some folks used an empty bit of case to hold a 5th to use nicads--which were 1.2v rather than 1.5. I just used 4 nicads, and it lasted longer than if I'd made the mod(CMOS current draw is proportional to voltage applied).
It's in an older excel format, if memory serves (as old as I could save with whateverI was using that day).
ANyway, it assumes a 7% real return (the historical average forthe stock market), though this can be set in a cell to other values.
It shows the effects of putting $2000/year (the old IRA amount; it's now $3000, but you can change that in the sheet) every year from 21 to 65, including the value of that year's contribution on its own at 65. It also shows starting at 31, and stopping at 30--come retirement time, your contributions from 21-30 are worth more than those from 31-65!
>, the second world is defined as being Russia and >it's allied Soviet republics.
time fragmentation problem . . .
1st/2nd world is the Free/Communist split. The second world is nearly gone--the USSR threw in the towel, nad it's subject states ran. The 2nd world is now pretty much limited to N. Korea, Cuba, and Red China . . . and Chinaisheading towards economic freedom which historically leads to political freedom in spite fo the ruling class's attempts to keep control, while Cuba probably veers off the day after Fidel discovers Hell . . .
The 3d world were those that tried to stay out of both the U.S./W. Europe and the Soviet spheres of influence--in some cases successfully plaing both off against the other by threats to go the other way, getting massive goodies from each. Most of these countries were indeed underdeveloped, but that's not really what made them first world (I don't recall any developed countries that didn't either remain free or have a Bolshevik style overthrow of the legitimite government . ..)
What you call "clearly" simply isn't true. There is a well-defined body of law that governs executive orders and regulations made thereunder. These still apply, the order exists in that context, and can only be interpreted in that context. The things that you're suggesting "could" happen just plain can't, unless the entire judiciary (which can review *any* administrative regulation, including those proposed here) suddenly turned it's back on 700 years of Anglo-American law--in which case, this particular regulation would be the least of our worries.
particularly the first one, you find that the exectutive order directly contradicts nearly every claim you made about it. Among others: fair trial, review, defense counsel . . .
>If a farm owner accuses non-citizen farm workers
>of illegal acts during a union organizing drive
>or strike, what is to stop these "anti-terrorism"
>laws and military tribunals from being used?
Umm, the law? The United States Constitution? The language ofthe executive order itself? Common sense? The court system?
>They didn't think to figure this out before they
>ran in guns blazing?
really? I got a pretty clear impression they went in without firing a shot--which is one of the reasons to use overwhelming force . . .
hawk
Re:violently overthrow the Constitution?
on
Raisethefist.com Raided
·
· Score: 3, Insightful
>The president just recently created a system of
>military tribunals where you
"you", in this sense, means "people captured while using weapons to actively oppose U.S. military forces"
>can be arrested, tried, convicted, and executed
>without even being told the crime you were
>charged with,
Where did you pull this out of? That's utter nonsense.
>without the prosecution having shown probable
>cause before arrest,
Uhh, most of us will accept that being captured while resisting the military goes well past probable cause . . .
>without hearing any evidence presented against
>you,
??? I think you're confusing these tribunals, which don't yet exist, with something else.
>without the ability to cross-examine witnesses,
I'd *really* need to see a source before believing this.
>without your choice of counsel,
Yes, there are likely to be limits on counsel, both due to the need for security clearances and local availability. However, the right to counsel *cannot* be completely eliminated, as this would contravene the Rights of Englishmen as recognized at Common Law and protected by the U.S. Constitution. At this level, it is not a question of the U.S. rule, but that to completely refuse access to counsel would violate natural law.
> without the crime
>specifically calling for a death sentence,
only by a very twisted interpretation. In the U.S. and other Common Law nations, statutes with prescribed penalties were not commonplace until *very* recently (20th century for the most part).
>without a presumption of innocence,
It's likely that the presumption will be reduced or gone, yes.
>without "beyond a shadow of a doubt"
Which, as far as I know, is not the law anywhere for anything.
o
>r even "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard of proof,
Yes, the burden of proof is likely to be much lower, and a unanimous vote will probably not be required.
> without public scrutiny,
likely, yes. But there are practical matters getting that much public out there . . .
>and without a right of appeal.
Technically, yes. In reality, it is not politically possible that there will be no review.
These tribunals, if created and used, will be limited to those found in arms and captured while violating the Law of War. You are proposing to extend to them protections that exist in very few places outside the English speaking world.
Do I think that actually using these tribunals is a good idea? No, at least not at present, while our resources permit other responses.
Nonetheless, the picture being painted of them is grossly inaccurate. Look to how they were used in the past, and then pull *way* back to meet modern political reality.
That it's the only job they can get doesn't justify telemarketing any more than it justifies prostitution, contract hits, or crack dealing.
If it ties them up longer, it makes the returns from telemarketing lower, making it a less desirable activity for the marketer.
It should be a criminal offense to make a solicitation from a phone line that does not in some way identify the call as such--so that the victims can avoid having the phone ring in the first place.
You'd need at least the two floppies to bring the machine far enough to use tools like cvs.
I generally install from the three disks (there's an optional fixit.flp with lots of programs on it) by choosing an absolute minimal configuration, installing the cvsup package, then "make update" in/usr/src to get an up to the minute system.
Some half-wit tags Jordan Hubbard with "troll" while explaining FreeBSD . . . next he can proceed to alt.folklore.computers and try to correct Dennis Ritchie on unix history (happened a week or two ago), accusePeter Seebach of not understanding basic C (happens fairly regularly).
At least there we get to have a little fun with it (find the Seebach/Crispin flamewar at dejanews [search for "popcorn" in title]), but not here.
Coldn't we add "funny" to fair and unfair for meta-moderation categories?
While we're add it, let's add "-1, twit" as a moderation option, as well as "-1, just plain wrong" . . .
>"downloading Porn site password list" to entice
>the user to wait.
still a bad design. It should at least jump into the background, and maybe even scheduleitselfto run later with at (say, while the locatedb is running, so the rattling won't be notices).
Slashdot Mirror
Besides, it was probably the letter that got irradiated . .
hawk
hawk
Linux was available on this laptop, but it was kind of silly to take that version for an extra few bucks, especially since we planned on freebsd anyway . . .
hawk
>it'd be: "Correlation does not equal causation!"
Well, almost. The back of the hand or eyelids, or the back of the person in front's head . . .
I tell my stat classes that they should chant "correllation does not imply causation" several minutes each night, and offer a bonus point on the last test for remembering to work the mantra in . . .
hawk
Most pinks/blushes are crappy blends of two junk wines, but some are made by a shorter term skin contact.
hawk
Kinds of citrusy behind the wretchedness.
hawk, who hopes never to do that again, and needs to figure out which red wines are giving him sinus headaches
I used a 102, the updated model, in law school *87-88). It came with 24k, and I never got around to getting the 8k chip to put in the empty socket when they dropped down to $5 or so.
At the time in san diego, there was a bbs that actually *ran* on one of these (1.2mhz 8080 equiv, 300 baud internal pulse dialing modem).
I had the expansion disk, but it wasn't much use--50k (100k? ) on a 3.5" disk. I usually just threw the files to a basic program on a mac to catch them. I also found a program that would run on my XT to let it serve as a "Disk" for the 102 (the disk connected by standard rs-232).
The display was an amazing 8x40, though there was a function key to display the other/prior 8 lines. You could also bit address the pixels.
The simple flat design still beats the clamshell laptop design if you're just typing in text; it's much easier to balance.
It wanted 4 AA batteries for something like 20 hours on alkalines. Some folks used an empty bit of case to hold a 5th to use nicads--which were 1.2v rather than 1.5. I just used 4 nicads, and it lasted longer than if I'd made the mod(CMOS current draw is proportional to voltage applied).
I still occasionally haul it out.
hawk
http://www.personal.psu.edu/reh18/micro/retirem
It's in an older excel format, if memory serves (as old as I could save with whateverI was using that day).
ANyway, it assumes a 7% real return (the historical average forthe stock market), though this can be set in a cell to other values.
It shows the effects of putting $2000/year (the old IRA amount; it's now $3000, but you can change that in the sheet) every year from 21 to 65, including the value of that year's contribution on its own at 65. It also shows starting at 31, and stopping at 30--come retirement time, your contributions from 21-30 are worth more than those from 31-65!
hawk
time fragmentation problem . . .
1st/2nd world is the Free/Communist split. The second world is nearly gone--the USSR threw in the towel, nad it's subject states ran. The 2nd world is now pretty much limited to N. Korea, Cuba, and Red China . . . and Chinaisheading towards economic freedom which historically leads to political freedom in spite fo the ruling class's attempts to keep control, while Cuba probably veers off the day after Fidel discovers Hell . . .
The 3d world were those that tried to stay out of both the U.S./W. Europe and the Soviet spheres of influence--in some cases successfully plaing both off against the other by threats to go the other way, getting massive goodies from each. Most of these countries were indeed underdeveloped, but that's not really what made them first world (I don't recall any developed countries that didn't either remain free or have a Bolshevik style overthrow of the legitimite government . .
hawk
What you call "clearly" simply isn't true. There is a well-defined body of law that governs executive orders and regulations made thereunder. These still apply, the order exists in that context, and can only be interpreted in that context. The things that you're suggesting "could" happen just plain can't, unless the entire judiciary (which can review *any* administrative regulation, including those proposed here) suddenly turned it's back on 700 years of Anglo-American law--in which case, this particular regulation would be the least of our worries.
hawk, esq.
>If a farm owner accuses non-citizen farm workers
>of illegal acts during a union organizing drive
>or strike, what is to stop these "anti-terrorism"
>laws and military tribunals from being used?
Umm, the law? The United States Constitution? The language ofthe executive order itself? Common sense? The court system?
hawk
I'm not calling the others inadequate; it's just that the protection of defendants is stronger under common law than civil law and others.
It's the legal system, not the culture, that I'm referring to.
hawk
>ran in guns blazing?
really? I got a pretty clear impression they went in without firing a shot--which is one of the reasons to use overwhelming force . . .
hawk
>military tribunals where you
"you", in this sense, means "people captured while using weapons to actively oppose U.S. military forces"
>can be arrested, tried, convicted, and executed
>without even being told the crime you were
>charged with,
Where did you pull this out of? That's utter nonsense.
>without the prosecution having shown probable
>cause before arrest,
Uhh, most of us will accept that being captured while resisting the military goes well past probable cause . . .
>without hearing any evidence presented against
>you,
??? I think you're confusing these tribunals, which don't yet exist, with something else.
>without the ability to cross-examine witnesses,
I'd *really* need to see a source before believing this.
>without your choice of counsel,
Yes, there are likely to be limits on counsel, both due to the need for security clearances and local availability. However, the right to counsel *cannot* be completely eliminated, as this would contravene the Rights of Englishmen as recognized at Common Law and protected by the U.S. Constitution. At this level, it is not a question of the U.S. rule, but that to completely refuse access to counsel would violate natural law.
> without the crime
>specifically calling for a death sentence,
only by a very twisted interpretation. In the U.S. and other Common Law nations, statutes with prescribed penalties were not commonplace until *very* recently (20th century for the most part).
>without a presumption of innocence,
It's likely that the presumption will be reduced or gone, yes.
>without "beyond a shadow of a doubt"
Which, as far as I know, is not the law anywhere for anything.
o
>r even "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard of proof,
Yes, the burden of proof is likely to be much lower, and a unanimous vote will probably not be required.
> without public scrutiny,
likely, yes. But there are practical matters getting that much public out there . . .
>and without a right of appeal.
Technically, yes. In reality, it is not politically possible that there will be no review.
These tribunals, if created and used, will be limited to those found in arms and captured while violating the Law of War. You are proposing to extend to them protections that exist in very few places outside the English speaking world.
Do I think that actually using these tribunals is a good idea? No, at least not at present, while our resources permit other responses.
Nonetheless, the picture being painted of them is grossly inaccurate. Look to how they were used in the past, and then pull *way* back to meet modern political reality.
hawk
I don't read chinese, korean, russian, french, or portugese, but get lots of those.
At least the ones reminding me to go vote in turkish elections are sometimes in english (why???)
hawk
If it ties them up longer, it makes the returns from telemarketing lower, making it a less desirable activity for the marketer.
It should be a criminal offense to make a solicitation from a phone line that does not in some way identify the call as such--so that the victims can avoid having the phone ring in the first place.
hawk
in that case . . .
Still, though, I've seen other moderations that were funny.
hawk
hawk
hawk
I generally install from the three disks (there's an optional fixit.flp with lots of programs on it) by choosing an absolute minimal configuration, installing the cvsup package, then "make update" in
hawk
SMP is not lacking, at least for x86.
>I believe LILO can handle FreeBSD.
yes, and FreeBSD's loader can handle linux partitions.
hawk
At least there we get to have a little fun with it (find the Seebach/Crispin flamewar at dejanews [search for "popcorn" in title]), but not here.
Coldn't we add "funny" to fair and unfair for meta-moderation categories?
While we're add it, let's add "-1, twit" as a moderation option, as well as "-1, just plain wrong" . . .
hawk
I thought penguins ate herring in *any* color . . .
[* whisper from offstage *]
oh, never mind.
hawk
my little sister, the Lynnette you mention, barely knows which side of the keyboard to use . .
So why don't whe go for a mini-Alan instead. Someone must know a couple of Alena's . . .
:_)
hawk
>the user to wait.
still a bad design. It should at least jump into the background, and maybe even scheduleitselfto run later with at (say, while the locatedb is running, so the rattling won't be notices).
haw