How does anybody expect a hardware company to design a hardware+software system and expect them to open the software portion and remain competitive?
How does anybody expect a user to maintain an up to date, secure, virus free system when they have to depend on software produced by manufacturers who hide its functionality and can drop support for it at any time?
Would you like them to comment their sources so that their rivals can better appreciate their whole design?
No, simply providing all the specs for interfacing with their hardware would suffice.
Those where lower-income-bracket people, lower-computer-literacy people, that is, the backbone of the country. And they see nothing even remotely wrong in copying music. I fear the content producers are against too much of a slope now.
It's not just "lower-income-bracket" people. I work in a hospital and it is just as much out in the open there also.
their congressmen and demanded that they deal with the mad dogs that are the RIAA, they'd geek in about 20 seconds. We need to speak up and put an end to this insanity.
People are speaking up, they just aren't "greasing" the wheels of justice properly. Now if every one of those 100,000 people enclosed a $50 "donation" and a pledge of $50 more when sane legislation is enacted you might actually see something done.
But the 9250 WILL be dying soon, at any rate it will die as AGP becomes obsolete. We need a replacement in the catagory of 3D hardware with Open drivers.
The r300 project is currently making great strides in getting open source direct rendering with the newer radeon chipsets. There is a thread in the Gentoo forums dedicated to testing their drivers out.
Nope. Just waiting out planned obsolesence. How easy do you think it is to find a working 8-track player? Or, heck, even a turntable? The same thing will happen with non-DRM-enabled hardware.
Well it's been 30 years since high school but I'm pretty sure they still teach kids about the physics of sound today.
Well I certainly can' speak for other slashdot members but I believe the cheering is due more to finally seeing some exposure of the corruption that most of us know exists in both the recording industry and the government in order to maintain a stranglehold on the public.
Besides, Microsoft really likes HD-DVD...what more reason do you need to root for Blu-Ray?;-)
It's not that there is are many reasons to root for HD-DVD, just that there are many more reasons to root against another Sony proprietory format. Oh, and not let's forget Sony's complete disregard for other peoples property by installing root kits.
It really doesn't matter who wins. Either way the average citizen is going to get screwed in the end by the DRM. Sure, hi-def is nice. Not killer, but nice. I know I certainly can tell a difference on my 50" TV, but until there is a way to bypass HDCP copyright protection I know I won't be buying into either scheme.
Now I've been following the articles but I'm not much of a mathematician so I'll have to leave it up to others to work on breaking the encryption. I'm sure it's doable given enough people and a little organization. My plan, on the other hand, is to work on the hardware end. It still is not against the law to take hardware apart and it is obvious that the signal has to get to the screen once it is decoded.
It was not citizens refusing to pay the alcohol producers for their product at the prices and conditions they were selling them at that got the law either enacted OR repealed, it was consumers INSISTING on paying the alcohol producers for their product that caused BOTH. The alcohol-producers certainly did not champion that law nor did the consumers think they were being unreasonable even when the deliveries came with a tommy-gun escort.
I doubt that downloaders care how their deliveries come either. This whole thing is about control. Just as prohibitionists wanted to control what people put in their bodies copyrightists want to control what they put in their minds.
Finding the RIAA evil is no justification for downloading RIAA music. If you want to boycott a business, actually boycott them, don't just say you'll boycott them and then get their products through some other means.
If people don't break the RIAA's evil laws then Congress would have no reason to change them.
...so the question is, does the law represent morality? whose morality?
Yes. It represents the morality of those who have the power to enforce the laws.
Laws don't keep up with changing societies and personal viewpoints.
You are right, laws are usually slow to change but this is not always bad. Nazi Germany can serve as an example as what can happen when personal viewpoints becomes law.
Therefore, why should they be obeyed in the first place? To support a system that is rapidly becoming dated?
They shouldn't be obeyed. Just be prepared to pay the penalty for breaking them until the system catches up to your views.
I recognize that this is completely ignoring the fact that the artists and labels have put money into production of this music, my point is that regardless of the issue, the argument that "it's wrong because it's illegal" is completely invalid. Slavery is still legal in some countries, does that make it okay for them, just not for us?
You'll get no argument from me here. Of course I've never been much a cultural relativist either.
Fuck the system, download your music, spend your money supporting the artists when they come on tour. The artists themselves make way more money from the tour than from the album sales, and the record industry itself doesn't deserve the money. I'm a punk.
Absolutely. As a matter of fact not a few musicians who have become popular telling people to "fuck the system" are know looking to the system to protect their income. But I'm afraid it's still going to take seeing quite a few punks behind bars before you see much change.
There are people in every country which do not care about the laws that govern them. Of course that all changes when it directly affects them but thats another story.
You are absolutely correct. Prohibition was a perfect example of this. Once it gets to the point that the majority are breaking the law then the law gets changed.
If you download copyrighted material, you're breaking the law and should be prosecuted. So get a sense of responsibility and get your music the right way - pay for it.
Well if the **AA's own numbers are to be believed what is happening here is mass civil disobedience mostly caused by their own lack of action and no amount of rhetoric is going to put the genie back in the bottle.
You cannot seriously be likening laws against leeching music off P2P against the wishes of the artists to oppression.
Sure he can, as do a lot of other people. I think one reason the industry is fighting so hard in the US is because they know that Congress could do away with copyrights all together if it so chose.
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How does anybody expect a hardware company to design a hardware+software system and expect them to open the software portion and remain competitive?
How does anybody expect a user to maintain an up to date, secure, virus free system when they have to depend on software produced by manufacturers who hide its functionality and can drop support for it at any time?
Would you like them to comment their sources so that their rivals can better appreciate their whole design?
No, simply providing all the specs for interfacing with their hardware would suffice.
Those where lower-income-bracket people, lower-computer-literacy people, that is, the backbone of the country. And they see nothing even remotely wrong in copying music. I fear the content producers are against too much of a slope now.
It's not just "lower-income-bracket" people. I work in a hospital and it is just as much out in the open there also.
I cant see spending 20+ bux for a dvd, when most of it is on cable on-demand and in HD.
Interesting. I can't see spending $4 to watch something once when I can pay $20 or less to watch it whenever I want.
their congressmen and demanded that they deal with the mad dogs that are the RIAA, they'd geek in about 20 seconds. We need to speak up and put an end to this insanity.
People are speaking up, they just aren't "greasing" the wheels of justice properly. Now if every one of those 100,000 people enclosed a $50 "donation" and a pledge of $50 more when sane legislation is enacted you might actually see something done.
But the 9250 WILL be dying soon, at any rate it will die as AGP becomes obsolete. We need a replacement in the catagory of 3D hardware with Open drivers.
The r300 project is currently making great strides in getting open source direct rendering with the newer radeon chipsets. There is a thread in the Gentoo forums dedicated to testing their drivers out.
Nope. Just waiting out planned obsolesence. How easy do you think it is to find a working 8-track player? Or, heck, even a turntable? The same thing will happen with non-DRM-enabled hardware.
Well it's been 30 years since high school but I'm pretty sure they still teach kids about the physics of sound today.
Well I certainly can' speak for other slashdot members but I believe the cheering is due more to finally seeing some exposure of the corruption that most of us know exists in both the recording industry and the government in order to maintain a stranglehold on the public.
Besides, Microsoft really likes HD-DVD...what more reason do you need to root for Blu-Ray?
It's not that there is are many reasons to root for HD-DVD, just that there are many more reasons to root against another Sony proprietory format. Oh, and not let's forget Sony's complete disregard for other peoples property by installing root kits.
It really doesn't matter who wins. Either way the average citizen is going to get screwed in the end by the DRM. Sure, hi-def is nice. Not killer, but nice. I know I certainly can tell a difference on my 50" TV, but until there is a way to bypass HDCP copyright protection I know I won't be buying into either scheme.
Now I've been following the articles but I'm not much of a mathematician so I'll have to leave it up to others to work on breaking the encryption. I'm sure it's doable given enough people and a little organization. My plan, on the other hand, is to work on the hardware end. It still is not against the law to take hardware apart and it is obvious that the signal has to get to the screen once it is decoded.
Religion is chosen.
No, it is not. Most children are indoctrinated by their parents from birth.
Under the bounds of the licensing agreement you agreed to when you made the purchase.
I can't seem to find these licensing agreements to which you refer on any of my music CDs, only copyright notices.
It was not citizens refusing to pay the alcohol producers for their product at the prices and conditions they were selling them at that got the law either enacted OR repealed, it was consumers INSISTING on paying the alcohol producers for their product that caused BOTH. The alcohol-producers certainly did not champion that law nor did the consumers think they were being unreasonable even when the deliveries came with a tommy-gun escort.
I doubt that downloaders care how their deliveries come either. This whole thing is about control. Just as prohibitionists wanted to control what people put in their bodies copyrightists want to control what they put in their minds.
So Al Capone was actually a brave freedom fighter standing up to an unjust law, eh?
No, but those drinking his booze were.
Finding the RIAA evil is no justification for downloading RIAA music. If you want to boycott a business, actually boycott them, don't just say you'll boycott them and then get their products through some other means.
If people don't break the RIAA's evil laws then Congress would have no reason to change them.
Yes. It represents the morality of those who have the power to enforce the laws.
Laws don't keep up with changing societies and personal viewpoints.
You are right, laws are usually slow to change but this is not always bad. Nazi Germany can serve as an example as what can happen when personal viewpoints becomes law.
Therefore, why should they be obeyed in the first place? To support a system that is rapidly becoming dated?
They shouldn't be obeyed. Just be prepared to pay the penalty for breaking them until the system catches up to your views.
I recognize that this is completely ignoring the fact that the artists and labels have put money into production of this music, my point is that regardless of the issue, the argument that "it's wrong because it's illegal" is completely invalid. Slavery is still legal in some countries, does that make it okay for them, just not for us?
You'll get no argument from me here. Of course I've never been much a cultural relativist either.
Fuck the system, download your music, spend your money supporting the artists when they come on tour. The artists themselves make way more money from the tour than from the album sales, and the record industry itself doesn't deserve the money. I'm a punk.
Absolutely. As a matter of fact not a few musicians who have become popular telling people to "fuck the system" are know looking to the system to protect their income. But I'm afraid it's still going to take seeing quite a few punks behind bars before you see much change.
She made a choice. Choices can have a lasting impact on life.
The Record Industry made a choice. Choices can have life ending impacts also.
Hell, spend your CD money on booze...
Funny you should mention booze. So do you also think Prohibiton would have been rescinded if nobody had broken the law?
The piracy problem cannot be solved by more laws...
Sure it can. All Congress has to do is pass a law legalizing the sharing of any and all works and the piracy problem completely disappears.
There are people in every country which do not care about the laws that govern them. Of course that all changes when it directly affects them but thats another story.
You are absolutely correct. Prohibition was a perfect example of this. Once it gets to the point that the majority are breaking the law then the law gets changed.
If you download copyrighted material, you're breaking the law and should be prosecuted. So get a sense of responsibility and get your music the right way - pay for it.
Well if the **AA's own numbers are to be believed what is happening here is mass civil disobedience mostly caused by their own lack of action and no amount of rhetoric is going to put the genie back in the bottle.
You cannot seriously be likening laws against leeching music off P2P against the wishes of the artists to oppression.
Sure he can, as do a lot of other people. I think one reason the industry is fighting so hard in the US is because they know that Congress could do away with copyrights all together if it so chose.
According to your article:
And in July, both sides will fight it out in U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Missouri.
Their assessment of the law has yet to be proven correct.
Careful there, you're about to get into trouble for copyright infringement.
The article only stating facts, not expressing ideas.
The end of the internet is here.
Sorry, I don't get that. Who are you saying is trying to control whom?
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