Hah, we'd get one back, because i think pretty much 100 percent of the country actually likes being part of the country....
That's just the thing. All citizens of the United States are citizens whether the Constitution exists or is dissolved. It is only the federal government that is beholden to that document for its existence.
Tear that shit up and make a new constitution every 10 years.
Please do that. At least start that, have the US Constitution self-destruct at the end of this year. Then the whole US federal government dissolves, because it exists solely as the creation of the Constitution. Remove the one, and you remove the other. Then the separate states can have their liberty back again.
We'll see how the new Constitution is written next year. But I don't think you'll have as much influence on it as you would like.
People like you are why a law making it illegal to yell, "fire!"
And ACs like you aren't worth shit, grow some balls and get some manners then we can talk.
You say an AC isn't "worth shit", and then tell him to get some manners. He didn't insult you personally, he didn't call you names, and he didn't use foul language. He simply placed your comment into context, with relation to a problem he sees with society. For that you respond like a child.
I never said I fault the consumer. I said that the consumer makes their decision. And my original post in this thread was tied simply to the individual being in control of what he pays. You keep showing that it is possible, then show examples of why it is not possible. Pick one line and stick to it.
As far as using force to make someone choose a plan, I made that argument first. Stop mimicking me.
So, again, after I claimed that people have "complete control" over how they choose to spend their money in regards to cell/smart phones, you show exactly that situation, while telling me I'm wrong. You follow every proof of my claim with, "So THAT'S a non-starter." Oh. and bringing up situations from years ago to back up your argument, and then admitting those situations no longer apply, yet still claiming it supports your argument? Priceless.
Control of their network and the way they choose to handle voice and data, you being the one who doesn't have a say in their back-end strategy? Yeah. That one.
So, when you are losing an argument, you switch what the argument is about. I wish I could say that was a unique pattern.
The "complete control" is in regards to how much they bill me. That is the whole point of this topic. I don't have control of what brand of switch they use, or what color they use for their logo, or what the CEO is paid. But whatever choice they make for those various situations, I have a contract saying they will not charge me more than a set fee every month. Nothing else you are mentioning matters at all. Because nothing you are mentioning changes what I, or you, pay per month. We have complete control over what we pay, and millions of others have that same control.
But to make my point using your attempt at moving the goalposts, here goes. I have a contract that guarantees that my carrier will not under any circumstances install Cisco switches and charge me a higher rate on my next bill. I have a contract that guarantees that my carrier will not under any circumstances route data differently and charge me a higher rate on my next bill. I have a contract that guarantees that my carrier will not under any circumstances change their method of signal modulation and charge me a higher rate on my next bill.
You want to try to claim I don't have control over my carrier's backend? I say you are wrong.
They were born contractually bound to a carrier? They had one forced on them through the court system? Goons from Big Data kicked in their doors and forced them to sign the contract with their own blood?
I'm trying to figure out how people in your world have no control over which carrier they sign a contract with, before they sign the contract. You don't seem to understand I am stating that people choose which carrier to use, and which data plan to use. You yourself chose a plan from a national carrier that gives you unlimited data. It doesn't matter what "the majority of carriers" offered you, because you decided to go with one that gives you unlimited data. I also have an unlimited plan with a national carrier.
In addition, there are independent providers that piggyback on the national carriers, and they certainly have plans that let the users limit their spending, without having an unlimited plan.
You think I missed a part of you post. No, I read the whole thing, and it simply doesn't make the case you think it does.
I'm not sure what point you are attempting to make with that comment.
Complete control over their spending, over which carrier they choose, over which phone they buy, over which data plan they sign up for, over which applications they use on their phone to tell them how much data they have used. And the ultimate complete control, not buying a smart phone with a data plan. Several people on this site have stated they use a "cell phone" instead of a "smart phone", for this very reason.
So, whatever usage of "complete control" you want to toss out, yes you have that level of control.
What in the hell does that have to do with complete control? You're talking about 'complete management of your own usage'.
Which is the exact topic I was responding to, because the AC stated: "What's offensive is that when I exceed my limit, there is no notification, no automatic stop, no choice to spend more money." We as consumers do have control over what phone we buy, what carrier we go with, and what features we require from both the phone and carrier.
I have complete control over the amount of money I give to my provider every month. I've had that same control for the last decade. It was the one criteria I had when I got a new phone after moving across the country for a job. So, yes, complete control.
Yes, complete. You decide which carrier to go with, or none at all. That is control. My carrier has an unlimited data plan for a very good price, which is what I chose to enroll with. In fact, I upgraded to that plan just this past spring after getting a newer smartphone.
The comment I responded to specifically said:
What's offensive is that when I exceed my limit, there is no notification, no automatic stop, no choice to spend more money.
There are multiple carriers with multiple plans that cover multiple styles of phones with multiple features. There are prepaid phones from independent providers that certainly let you limit your spending. So when I say that the individual has "complete control" over their spending, that is the case. If you can't think of a way to achieve that, that's not my fault.
I like that about once a month, someone responds to me to tell me I'm wrong, while proving with their own argument that I am right. You wrote:
To further my point, utility meters are regulated while there is no regulation or legally required metering mehodology for data, which only compounds the fact that someone else can just start firing unrequested packets in my direction and I'll get billed for them.
Well, I won't because I have unlimited data,
So, you state quite clearly that you have control over your monthly data plan pricing, because you pay for unlimited data. You have no overage, thanks to the plan that you chose, and pay for. You have complete control over your billing, just as I said.
I've been saying for years how happy I am with MetroPCS. I always had a flat rate for unlimited phone calls. Now I have a flat rate for unlimited data used on my phone.
The only cap is if I have my laptop tethered to my phone, or have the mobile hotspot active on my phone. Then it slows down to 3G speed after a couple GB of pass-thru data. Tethering and hotspot are very useful when needed, but I haven't come near the limit, since I only have to use it occasionally when on the road, and need to use the laptop for something instead of just looking it up on my phone.
What's offensive is that when I exceed my limit, there is no notification, no automatic stop, no choice to spend more money. The provider simply reaches into my wallet and removes money at will.
You do realize that you signed a contract agreeing to those specific actions, right?
Do you also realize you can get plans that offer different data caps, or no cap at all?
I have unlimited data on my phone, for a flat rate that I find acceptable. I don't know why you are so upset about something you have complete control over.
Yeah, criteria carefully chosen like "median life expectancy",... We live shorter lives than the Europeans though. But we pay something like double to triple for that privilege.
You don't think the high crime rate, especially murder, has anything to do with that? Only cost of medical care?
Actually, I was meaning to refer to the metal cylinder in the article, which is the basis of the kilogram. That's even what's in the title. But halfway into my thought it changed from the kilogram to the meter. I don't know why.
I do think it encouraged a lot of lively discussion, so my effort wasn't completely wasted.
I have no idea what the Desktop Notification Center is, or how to find it. I even followed a couple links in that post, and still have no idea how to access it. One link says to pull it up from the System Tray, but I have no Google icon there.
I can see why they are disabling the feature. No one knows about it.
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Hah, we'd get one back, because i think pretty much 100 percent of the country actually likes being part of the country....
That's just the thing. All citizens of the United States are citizens whether the Constitution exists or is dissolved. It is only the federal government that is beholden to that document for its existence.
Hello????? We're not in the 18th century anymore.
Tear that shit up and make a new constitution every 10 years.
Please do that. At least start that, have the US Constitution self-destruct at the end of this year. Then the whole US federal government dissolves, because it exists solely as the creation of the Constitution. Remove the one, and you remove the other. Then the separate states can have their liberty back again.
We'll see how the new Constitution is written next year. But I don't think you'll have as much influence on it as you would like.
It worked for Jed Clampett. He got some of those new dollars he heard about. He got ten "million dollars" for it.
And ACs like you aren't worth shit, grow some balls and get some manners then we can talk.
You say an AC isn't "worth shit", and then tell him to get some manners. He didn't insult you personally, he didn't call you names, and he didn't use foul language. He simply placed your comment into context, with relation to a problem he sees with society. For that you respond like a child.
Grow up.
I never said I fault the consumer. I said that the consumer makes their decision. And my original post in this thread was tied simply to the individual being in control of what he pays. You keep showing that it is possible, then show examples of why it is not possible. Pick one line and stick to it.
As far as using force to make someone choose a plan, I made that argument first. Stop mimicking me.
So, again, after I claimed that people have "complete control" over how they choose to spend their money in regards to cell/smart phones, you show exactly that situation, while telling me I'm wrong. You follow every proof of my claim with, "So THAT'S a non-starter." Oh. and bringing up situations from years ago to back up your argument, and then admitting those situations no longer apply, yet still claiming it supports your argument? Priceless.
Control of their network and the way they choose to handle voice and data, you being the one who doesn't have a say in their back-end strategy? Yeah. That one.
So, when you are losing an argument, you switch what the argument is about. I wish I could say that was a unique pattern.
The "complete control" is in regards to how much they bill me. That is the whole point of this topic. I don't have control of what brand of switch they use, or what color they use for their logo, or what the CEO is paid. But whatever choice they make for those various situations, I have a contract saying they will not charge me more than a set fee every month. Nothing else you are mentioning matters at all. Because nothing you are mentioning changes what I, or you, pay per month. We have complete control over what we pay, and millions of others have that same control.
But to make my point using your attempt at moving the goalposts, here goes. I have a contract that guarantees that my carrier will not under any circumstances install Cisco switches and charge me a higher rate on my next bill. I have a contract that guarantees that my carrier will not under any circumstances route data differently and charge me a higher rate on my next bill. I have a contract that guarantees that my carrier will not under any circumstances change their method of signal modulation and charge me a higher rate on my next bill.
You want to try to claim I don't have control over my carrier's backend? I say you are wrong.
They were born contractually bound to a carrier? They had one forced on them through the court system? Goons from Big Data kicked in their doors and forced them to sign the contract with their own blood?
I'm trying to figure out how people in your world have no control over which carrier they sign a contract with, before they sign the contract. You don't seem to understand I am stating that people choose which carrier to use, and which data plan to use. You yourself chose a plan from a national carrier that gives you unlimited data. It doesn't matter what "the majority of carriers" offered you, because you decided to go with one that gives you unlimited data. I also have an unlimited plan with a national carrier.
In addition, there are independent providers that piggyback on the national carriers, and they certainly have plans that let the users limit their spending, without having an unlimited plan.
You think I missed a part of you post. No, I read the whole thing, and it simply doesn't make the case you think it does.
I'm not sure what point you are attempting to make with that comment.
Complete control over their spending, over which carrier they choose, over which phone they buy, over which data plan they sign up for, over which applications they use on their phone to tell them how much data they have used. And the ultimate complete control, not buying a smart phone with a data plan. Several people on this site have stated they use a "cell phone" instead of a "smart phone", for this very reason.
So, whatever usage of "complete control" you want to toss out, yes you have that level of control.
What in the hell does that have to do with complete control? You're talking about 'complete management of your own usage'.
Which is the exact topic I was responding to, because the AC stated: "What's offensive is that when I exceed my limit, there is no notification, no automatic stop, no choice to spend more money." We as consumers do have control over what phone we buy, what carrier we go with, and what features we require from both the phone and carrier.
I have complete control over the amount of money I give to my provider every month. I've had that same control for the last decade. It was the one criteria I had when I got a new phone after moving across the country for a job. So, yes, complete control.
Yes, complete. You decide which carrier to go with, or none at all. That is control. My carrier has an unlimited data plan for a very good price, which is what I chose to enroll with. In fact, I upgraded to that plan just this past spring after getting a newer smartphone.
The comment I responded to specifically said:
What's offensive is that when I exceed my limit, there is no notification, no automatic stop, no choice to spend more money.
There are multiple carriers with multiple plans that cover multiple styles of phones with multiple features. There are prepaid phones from independent providers that certainly let you limit your spending. So when I say that the individual has "complete control" over their spending, that is the case. If you can't think of a way to achieve that, that's not my fault.
I like that about once a month, someone responds to me to tell me I'm wrong, while proving with their own argument that I am right. You wrote:
To further my point, utility meters are regulated while there is no regulation or legally required metering mehodology for data, which only compounds the fact that someone else can just start firing unrequested packets in my direction and I'll get billed for them.
Well, I won't because I have unlimited data,
So, you state quite clearly that you have control over your monthly data plan pricing, because you pay for unlimited data. You have no overage, thanks to the plan that you chose, and pay for. You have complete control over your billing, just as I said.
Thanks for your response proving mine correct.
I've been saying for years how happy I am with MetroPCS. I always had a flat rate for unlimited phone calls. Now I have a flat rate for unlimited data used on my phone.
The only cap is if I have my laptop tethered to my phone, or have the mobile hotspot active on my phone. Then it slows down to 3G speed after a couple GB of pass-thru data. Tethering and hotspot are very useful when needed, but I haven't come near the limit, since I only have to use it occasionally when on the road, and need to use the laptop for something instead of just looking it up on my phone.
What's offensive is that when I exceed my limit, there is no notification, no automatic stop, no choice to spend more money. The provider simply reaches into my wallet and removes money at will.
You do realize that you signed a contract agreeing to those specific actions, right?
Do you also realize you can get plans that offer different data caps, or no cap at all?
I have unlimited data on my phone, for a flat rate that I find acceptable. I don't know why you are so upset about something you have complete control over.
Of course you were.
:^)
Yeah, criteria carefully chosen like "median life expectancy",... We live shorter lives than the Europeans though. But we pay something like double to triple for that privilege.
You don't think the high crime rate, especially murder, has anything to do with that? Only cost of medical care?
Go on. Pull the other one.
The rich don't care.
Neither to the poor.
Wow. Die hard Obamabot. It's amazing you can breath, with your head shoved so far up his ass.
Is it "To Catch a Pre-Dater"?
Hi. Thanks for the reply.
Actually, I was meaning to refer to the metal cylinder in the article, which is the basis of the kilogram. That's even what's in the title. But halfway into my thought it changed from the kilogram to the meter. I don't know why.
I do think it encouraged a lot of lively discussion, so my effort wasn't completely wasted.
Again, thanks for the correction.
From yesterday's Slashdot entries:
FBI and Join UK Against Forces Against Spread of Dridex Banking Malware
Sounds like machine-generated gibberish to me.
You can't do simple multiplication without a computer?
It's called sarcasm, idiot.
I have no idea what the Desktop Notification Center is, or how to find it. I even followed a couple links in that post, and still have no idea how to access it. One link says to pull it up from the System Tray, but I have no Google icon there.
I can see why they are disabling the feature. No one knows about it.
Yes, I misread the post. I saw kilograms and thought meters. Very bad mistake on my part.