You are talking about one country in the world, and part of its history that ended within a century of its independence. I'm talking about humans through history, and not just 'indentured servants'.
I was going to give an example in my previous post, but thought it would dilute the point too much. I guess I should have kept it in the final draft.
Do you know why American tap dancing and Irish dancing are so similar to each other? Despite one having a historic association with blacks, and the other comes from a group as white as white can be, the two dance styles have almost the same mechanics. This is because they were developed to their modern forms on the British plantations in the Carribean. Why would Irish dancing be developed on a tropical island? Because the British enslaved the Irish, and sent these slaves to work on the sugar plantations alongside the black slaves. The two groups of slaves realized that their dances they did after supper were similar, and developed them together. As the slaves, black and white, were eventually freed, the dancing styles were carried to the American mainland. For every famous black tap dancer in the US, there was a white slave who was his ancestor's dance partner.
Add to this the fact that Europeans enslaved whites whenever one side won a war, or some petty 'kingdom' of two villages and a pig sty overran the village and pig sty next door. The Chinese rulers enslaved the Chinese commoners. The muslims of the Middle East and North Africa enslaved many black Africans to sell at the Mediterranean seaports to any ship that needed bodies, or that wanted more goods to sell at the European seaports. And all those Africans brought over to America from Africa were enslaved by black Africans first, then sold to white Europeans at the slave markets along the coast.
So whatever point you think you are making has squat all to do with relevant history, if you are trying to limit the discussion simply to whites owning black slaves.
Yes, I agree that we should recognize the history of people being dicks. However, all that some groups want to remember today is white people being dicks, and black people solely being the victims.
Well, my mom always taught us that "nigger" doesn't have anything to do with the color of a person's skin. It's about their actions and how they treat others. A nigger will beat up a little old lady for her pension check, and it doesn't matter if either person is white, black, asian, hispanic, or any other race. Race has nothing to do with it.
If it had been named Mt Roosevelt? No way Obama would have allowed it to be changed on his watch. He would have given long teleprompterisms about how historic the mountain is under the name Roosevelt. And if it did get changed despite him, it would be the fault of those evil Republicans who want him to fail.
And more people blame Bush for the delayed response rather than the Democrats in charge of the city and the state who needed to request federal assistance. I know, it's tough being a whiny child when there are rules to follow, but you still have to follow the rules, or face the consequences.
Gosh, it's almost like we realized we were giant assholes to a particular group of people for a few centuries and feel bad about it.
Wait a second there. I was born a few decades ago, so could not have been an asshole to anyone for centuries. Second, every group has been shit on by someone else over the course of the centuries you are crying about. The Mongols invaded Europe from Asia, many white people died. The Vikings invaded from north Europe to the rest of the continent, even sacking Rome, and many white people died. Europeans invaded Africa and the Americas, many dark skinned people died. Now the descendants of the Spanish invaders are complaining that they aren't being allowed to invade more areas they feel entitled to. In Africa, just a decade ago, one tribe killed a million people from a rival tribe.
So when you make it sound like only one group in all of history has ever been an asshole, and one or another group of people has always the victims, your argument falls flat. As the AC said, it's happened between groups for all of history, and everyone can find a centuries old grievance if they want.
The name was Denali before the White Man reassigned the name to honor a white man. It'd been unofficially Denali to locals ever since. The feds refused to let the locals name it until 1980, when the federal park was renamed to Denali National Park and Preserve. It'd been officially Denali to locals ever since. Why should the feds disregard the local names for things, and force their own names on local features?
Do you mean like Pike's Peak, Mt. Rushmore, the Grand Tetons, the Columbia River, and hundreds of other geo-graphical or -logical features that were named by white men who didn't care what the dark-skinned natives called them?
No, the king was quite surprised by the knowledge of the knight, Sir Bedevere, concerning the material composition of witches. The king knew about the difference between African and European swallows.
And yes, that means the 'standard' is gender and race neutral. People might make assumptions; deal with it. It's better than doing 'this is a smiley, and this is a female smiley'.
This is exactly what we would expect a man to say.
Cool. It's just that the first image that came to mind when I read that was back when I was ten years old, and got a simple bow and arrow set for my birthday. I got a few hay bales from the barn, fixed the paper target to them, and started firing arrows at it. Soon enough, one went over the bales, into the grassy field behind them. I searched that damn field for a few hours, but the arrow was gone. I lost it, and the set only came with three.
As for "loose", I've read enough 'swords-n-sorcery' stories with that usage that I knew what you meant, and I thought your post was a very intelligent send up of the usual misspelling. I just had to add my personal note and slight joke, which of course others missed. Glad to hear you got it.:^)
So, anyway, before I start tearing up over my ratatouille, thanks for the post. The "troll" thing is strange, even for not getting the humor I meant, but that's slashdot for ya.
Hey, good to hear back. Sorry if I got defensive. Well, not exactly sorry, but I'm glad I didn't go postal about it. It is hard to pick up humor on this site. And it's good to know we are all in the same boat trying to select second or third names.
The TV show Furturama had a take-off on that. The native tribe was of amazon females, and it was "Death by snu snu." The remains of the previous captives showed how they chose to die.
Sorry the [humor] tag didn't make it through the slashdot filter for my original post. You guys have a hard time catching jokes. And with your ID you should be able to figure that out by now. BTW, my first account had a number about half of yours. You don't even get the joke in my newest account name.
Oh well. I'll have to be satisfied that at least one AC caught the joke, possibly two.
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You are talking about one country in the world, and part of its history that ended within a century of its independence. I'm talking about humans through history, and not just 'indentured servants'.
I was going to give an example in my previous post, but thought it would dilute the point too much. I guess I should have kept it in the final draft.
Do you know why American tap dancing and Irish dancing are so similar to each other? Despite one having a historic association with blacks, and the other comes from a group as white as white can be, the two dance styles have almost the same mechanics. This is because they were developed to their modern forms on the British plantations in the Carribean. Why would Irish dancing be developed on a tropical island? Because the British enslaved the Irish, and sent these slaves to work on the sugar plantations alongside the black slaves. The two groups of slaves realized that their dances they did after supper were similar, and developed them together. As the slaves, black and white, were eventually freed, the dancing styles were carried to the American mainland. For every famous black tap dancer in the US, there was a white slave who was his ancestor's dance partner.
Add to this the fact that Europeans enslaved whites whenever one side won a war, or some petty 'kingdom' of two villages and a pig sty overran the village and pig sty next door. The Chinese rulers enslaved the Chinese commoners. The muslims of the Middle East and North Africa enslaved many black Africans to sell at the Mediterranean seaports to any ship that needed bodies, or that wanted more goods to sell at the European seaports. And all those Africans brought over to America from Africa were enslaved by black Africans first, then sold to white Europeans at the slave markets along the coast.
So whatever point you think you are making has squat all to do with relevant history, if you are trying to limit the discussion simply to whites owning black slaves.
Yes, I agree that we should recognize the history of people being dicks. However, all that some groups want to remember today is white people being dicks, and black people solely being the victims.
Well, my mom always taught us that "nigger" doesn't have anything to do with the color of a person's skin. It's about their actions and how they treat others. A nigger will beat up a little old lady for her pension check, and it doesn't matter if either person is white, black, asian, hispanic, or any other race. Race has nothing to do with it.
If it had been named Mt Roosevelt? No way Obama would have allowed it to be changed on his watch. He would have given long teleprompterisms about how historic the mountain is under the name Roosevelt. And if it did get changed despite him, it would be the fault of those evil Republicans who want him to fail.
And more people blame Bush for the delayed response rather than the Democrats in charge of the city and the state who needed to request federal assistance. I know, it's tough being a whiny child when there are rules to follow, but you still have to follow the rules, or face the consequences.
The rest of us readers knew what you meant. Nevermind the 12 year olds on their mother's computer.
Do you refer to every creek and rock around your town by the names that Native Americans would have used hundreds of years ago?
Mine had some hand-written pages taped in the back to cover recent events. I don't know where he was from, but he signed them "the Half-Blood Prince".
Ask the town council in Constantinople.
So you agree that it is the same in principle, but different in speed.
Gosh, it's almost like we realized we were giant assholes to a particular group of people for a few centuries and feel bad about it.
Wait a second there. I was born a few decades ago, so could not have been an asshole to anyone for centuries. Second, every group has been shit on by someone else over the course of the centuries you are crying about. The Mongols invaded Europe from Asia, many white people died. The Vikings invaded from north Europe to the rest of the continent, even sacking Rome, and many white people died. Europeans invaded Africa and the Americas, many dark skinned people died. Now the descendants of the Spanish invaders are complaining that they aren't being allowed to invade more areas they feel entitled to. In Africa, just a decade ago, one tribe killed a million people from a rival tribe.
So when you make it sound like only one group in all of history has ever been an asshole, and one or another group of people has always the victims, your argument falls flat. As the AC said, it's happened between groups for all of history, and everyone can find a centuries old grievance if they want.
The name was Denali before the White Man reassigned the name to honor a white man. It'd been unofficially Denali to locals ever since. The feds refused to let the locals name it until 1980, when the federal park was renamed to Denali National Park and Preserve. It'd been officially Denali to locals ever since. Why should the feds disregard the local names for things, and force their own names on local features?
Do you mean like Pike's Peak, Mt. Rushmore, the Grand Tetons, the Columbia River, and hundreds of other geo-graphical or -logical features that were named by white men who didn't care what the dark-skinned natives called them?
No, the king was quite surprised by the knowledge of the knight, Sir Bedevere, concerning the material composition of witches. The king knew about the difference between African and European swallows.
I'm not sure what you are implying there, but I just did a google image search for drake penises, and there were many pictures of black guys.
And yes, that means the 'standard' is gender and race neutral. People might make assumptions; deal with it. It's better than doing 'this is a smiley, and this is a female smiley'.
This is exactly what we would expect a man to say.
My daughter's favorite computer game. Good show.
Cool. It's just that the first image that came to mind when I read that was back when I was ten years old, and got a simple bow and arrow set for my birthday. I got a few hay bales from the barn, fixed the paper target to them, and started firing arrows at it. Soon enough, one went over the bales, into the grassy field behind them. I searched that damn field for a few hours, but the arrow was gone. I lost it, and the set only came with three.
As for "loose", I've read enough 'swords-n-sorcery' stories with that usage that I knew what you meant, and I thought your post was a very intelligent send up of the usual misspelling. I just had to add my personal note and slight joke, which of course others missed. Glad to hear you got it. :^)
So, anyway, before I start tearing up over my ratatouille, thanks for the post. The "troll" thing is strange, even for not getting the humor I meant, but that's slashdot for ya.
Hey, good to hear back. Sorry if I got defensive. Well, not exactly sorry, but I'm glad I didn't go postal about it. It is hard to pick up humor on this site. And it's good to know we are all in the same boat trying to select second or third names.
Have a fun weekend.
The TV show Furturama had a take-off on that. The native tribe was of amazon females, and it was "Death by snu snu." The remains of the previous captives showed how they chose to die.
Sorry the [humor] tag didn't make it through the slashdot filter for my original post. You guys have a hard time catching jokes. And with your ID you should be able to figure that out by now. BTW, my first account had a number about half of yours. You don't even get the joke in my newest account name.
Oh well. I'll have to be satisfied that at least one AC caught the joke, possibly two.
Next, are you going to inform me that a computer network doesn't actually have a net in it?
Starlord and Gamora: Eye roll. 9_9
I lost an arrow once, and you still spelled 'lose' incorrectly.
Bows and arrows should be just as protected under the 2nd Amendment as firearms are.
Unless they're nuclear tipped arrows, of course.
Hold your BM in
Push your BM out
Hold your BM in and shake it all about
Feel the grass is pokey and find smoother ground