I'm sure the original engineering *did* take politics into account. You can't solve politics with engineering. The tanks are double-hulled so that, when the politicians fail to find a solution and the tanks start failing, the waste can be pumped into a new double-hulled tank and this can continue for as long as necessary until the politics are sorted out - in other words, forever. We already have engineering solutions to these problems.
"We already have engineering solutions to these problems." The words which made the former Soviet Union the ecological paradise it is today. Fun fact: most of the leaders of the Soviet Union were engineers, the way most of the leaders of the US have been lawyers.
The leak is between the inner liner and the outer liner, so actually ZERO has actually escaped.
Quote from the article: "But workers were trying Monday to determine why the waste that leaked between the tank walls rose by about 8 inches on Sunday and then dropped by half an inch."
Is it unreasonable to consider the possibility that the drop in 1/2 inch was the result of the outer tank leaking? I'm not saying it's true, but are we even allowed to suspect this without you calling us stupid? Possibilities may include evaporation (if that's possible for this material), a weird siphoning back into the inner tank (if that's possible), outer tank leakage, or numerous other things. The article did not rule out the possibility of the outer tank leaking.
More liberal chicken little alarmism. Liquid levels have been rising and dropping for millions of years. It's an artifact of measurement. It's Urban Radiation Islands. It's the sun, through tides. It's cheaper to adapt to the leak than fix it. Eliminating nuclear power to eliminate the leak will take us back to the stone age. Radioactive elements are not pollution, they are a normal part of the natural environment. An increase in radioactivity in the environment will enhance agricultural productivity by increasing the rate of beneficial mutations. Greenies are always talking about radiationless power, but never want to discuss the obvious answer: fossil fuels. It's a conspiracy among radiation scientists who want to destroy America and capitalism. I demand to see copies of the emails which prove it.
The first one wasn't Ok'd to leak..
The first one wasn't supposed to leak.
Kinda like the Shuttle O-rings that did not have a 60% safety margin when found partly burned through..
THEY WERE NOT SUPPOSED to BURN THROUGH in the first place.
Ok, so maybe the leakproof inner containers leaked. Big deal; at least we know the outer containers are leakproof!
I did a lot of service work in the 200 and 300 areas in Richland and at the Fast Flux Test Facility (FFTR) at the Westinghouse-Hanford sites in the 80's and 90's.
One thing I learned was that the Hanford Patrol would go out weekly into the desert surrounding the 200/300 areas and shoot a few rabbits, which were then brought back for radiation testing. These were informally called "bunny hunts" and "RRT's" ("radioactive rabbit tests", lol).
It was (and still is) a viable way to find leaks of radioactive water from the storage tanks. The tank leaks, the water often pools in a gully or whatever, the rabbits drink the water, and the radioactive elements are easily detected in their blood and organs. If you start finding more than trace amounts then you've got a problem. They found problems more often than you might suspect.
Well that'll never work. You'll never catch the mutated super rabbits.
I bend your wife over the La-z-boy, I don't fuck her in your bed. But have fun wasting your money, and letting your wife know you're onto her when this mattress shows up!
What's the lazy boy doing in the house? Tell him to get back out and clean the pool like I pay him for.
I remain firmly of the belief that the *ONLY* thing that a couple with any sincere desire to get married should ever be planning for with regards to being apart someday is if one of them dies before the other, and ensuring to the best of their ability that the surviving partner still has a means to carry on without them.
Talking about how assets should be divided in the event of infidelity places the importance of material possessions above that of the marriage itself, and I would suggest that someone who would ask for such a prenup has no business getting married in the first place, since they clearly do not understand what real love is.
the *ONLY* thing that a couple with any sincere desire to get married should ever be planning for with regards to being apart someday is if one of them dies before the other, and ensuring to the best of their ability that the surviving partner has an unbreakable alibi.
This is a solution looking for a problem. A motion sensing camera would be a less expensive solution, and also capture anything happening in the room...it's not always done on the mattress, go figure. The mattress also isn't going to give you a clue as to who's ass you need to kick.
"There is an art to flying, or rather a knack. Its knack lies in learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss.... Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, that presents the difficulties."
I get really tired of my tax dollars paying for things that don't work or go down as the government sees fit. There's no excuse for NASA taking down this camera when it's convenient for them. My tax dollars paid for it. Likewise, when I comtact a government official, they owe it to me to reply. After all, I pay for their salary through my tax dollars. And government officials have no right to circumvent things like the requirement to allow the public to apply for jobs. It's fucking ridiculous when I see a research job at a federal laboratory posted for around $100k/yr, which is only open for applications for six days, and doesn't pay for relocation expenses. That position was written with the intent of giving it to a particular person with every intent of circumventing the requirement to conduct a fair hiring process. And my tax dollars pay for that. It's bullshit. Fuck NASA and the rest of the federal government.
Oh Mr. Paul, relax, you can run for President next time.
Whoa, hold on. The usual story I hear from deniers is that the Earth's temperature is NOT rising, that these are all politically-funded manipulations of faulty data.
But that would still require a mysterious force or undetectable phenomena to be keeping the earth abnormally cool, because a simple experiment demonstrates that CO2 is a greenhouse gas - and therefore more CO2 molecules in the atmosphere will lead to an increase in the greenhouse effect.
Also, it requires a 150 year old conspiracy to manipulate the temperature data to create a false upward trend. What would motivate a meteorologist from 100 years ago to write down the wrong temperature? What is his motivation? How was this kept a secret for so long? Who is the beneficiary of this gargantuan, and hugely complex multi-century undertaking?
Worse than that; a 150 year conspiracy to pretend that the surface temperature of the earth is 30+ degrees K higher than that of the moon due to natural CO2 in the atmosphere, when obviously the two have to be at the same temperature because there is no greenhouse effect. Otherwise, you'd have to think the effect would automatically stop just at 280 ppm of CO2, and that would be just silly.
AWG is so obvious and provable the CRU REFUSED to release data for 7 years from legal FOIA requests that they illegally ignored. Only after 7 years of legal battles, yes it takes legal battles to get data to peer review because it is so solid, they deleted the data a month before a judge was going to force them to hand it over.
Does this sound like the actions of a scientist that is so confident in his research that it could stand up to peer review? no
How many IPCC predictions were correct 10 years after they were made? 0%
Those are my problems with AGW. I could care less about Mann. I want to see the research, I want it peer reviewed, I want to see solid predictions made that pan out. I have yet to see any of that. That is what is science and AGW supporters can't supply it. Instead they rely on attacking personalities and calling people names for bringing up the completely valid questions I did. Since they have lied non-stop and constantly name called everyone else, my only possible conclusion is that AGW is a fraud. Seeing as Al Gore has made literally hundreds of millions based on it, there is evidence of fraud and the person profiting from it.
"The University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit, target of "ClimateGate", has released nearly all its remaining data on temperature measurements following a freedom of information bid.
The unit works with the UK Met Office to compile one of the world's most used records of global temperature change.
Most temperature data was already available, but critics of climate science want everything public.
Data from Trinidad and Tobago is being released against the country's wishes.
Following the latest release, raw data from virtually all of the world's 5,000-plus weather stations is freely available.
The only exceptions concern 19 weather stations in Poland, for which the Polish national weather service has declined to release data, for reasons it has not elaborated.
The requests were made two years ago by Jonathan Jones, a quantum computing specialist at Oxford University, and Don Keiller, a biologist at Anglia Ruskin University in Cambridge.
...
The Met Office, as the UK's national weather service, had approached the owners of data from more than 1,500 weather stations around the world - both inside and outside the zone covered by the FoI requests.
Many had given data to the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) on the understanding that it would not be made public - the main reason being that they charge for the information.
About 60% either failed to respond, or responded equivocally. Some were willing to have it go public, while Trinidad and Tobago asked categorically for it to be kept private.
UEA argued that breaking pledges of privacy could damage international relations, and relations between UK research institutions and partners overseas.
But the Information Commissioner ruled that public interest in disclosure outweighed those considerations.
Trevor Davies, UEA's pro-vice chancellor for research, said the potential for damaging relations was still a concern.
"This particular ruling might have unintended and potentially damaging consequences for international collaboration," he said.
"We regret having to release data from Trinidad and Tobago against that state's express wish; but we want to place beyond all doubt our determination to be open with our data and to comply with the ICO's instruction."
Data from 3,780 weather stations had been released earlier this year via the UK Met Office, while US portals such as the Global Historical Climatological Network also put raw readings into the public domain." http://www.bbc.com/news/scienc...
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I'm sure the original engineering *did* take politics into account. You can't solve politics with engineering. The tanks are double-hulled so that, when the politicians fail to find a solution and the tanks start failing, the waste can be pumped into a new double-hulled tank and this can continue for as long as necessary until the politics are sorted out - in other words, forever. We already have engineering solutions to these problems.
"We already have engineering solutions to these problems." The words which made the former Soviet Union the ecological paradise it is today. Fun fact: most of the leaders of the Soviet Union were engineers, the way most of the leaders of the US have been lawyers.
The leak is between the inner liner and the outer liner, so actually ZERO has actually escaped. Quote from the article: "But workers were trying Monday to determine why the waste that leaked between the tank walls rose by about 8 inches on Sunday and then dropped by half an inch." Is it unreasonable to consider the possibility that the drop in 1/2 inch was the result of the outer tank leaking? I'm not saying it's true, but are we even allowed to suspect this without you calling us stupid? Possibilities may include evaporation (if that's possible for this material), a weird siphoning back into the inner tank (if that's possible), outer tank leakage, or numerous other things. The article did not rule out the possibility of the outer tank leaking.
More liberal chicken little alarmism. Liquid levels have been rising and dropping for millions of years. It's an artifact of measurement. It's Urban Radiation Islands. It's the sun, through tides. It's cheaper to adapt to the leak than fix it. Eliminating nuclear power to eliminate the leak will take us back to the stone age. Radioactive elements are not pollution, they are a normal part of the natural environment. An increase in radioactivity in the environment will enhance agricultural productivity by increasing the rate of beneficial mutations. Greenies are always talking about radiationless power, but never want to discuss the obvious answer: fossil fuels. It's a conspiracy among radiation scientists who want to destroy America and capitalism. I demand to see copies of the emails which prove it.
The first one wasn't Ok'd to leak.. The first one wasn't supposed to leak.
Kinda like the Shuttle O-rings that did not have a 60% safety margin when found partly burned through.. THEY WERE NOT SUPPOSED to BURN THROUGH in the first place.
Ok, so maybe the leakproof inner containers leaked. Big deal; at least we know the outer containers are leakproof!
I did a lot of service work in the 200 and 300 areas in Richland and at the Fast Flux Test Facility (FFTR) at the Westinghouse-Hanford sites in the 80's and 90's.
One thing I learned was that the Hanford Patrol would go out weekly into the desert surrounding the 200/300 areas and shoot a few rabbits, which were then brought back for radiation testing. These were informally called "bunny hunts" and "RRT's" ("radioactive rabbit tests", lol).
It was (and still is) a viable way to find leaks of radioactive water from the storage tanks. The tank leaks, the water often pools in a gully or whatever, the rabbits drink the water, and the radioactive elements are easily detected in their blood and organs. If you start finding more than trace amounts then you've got a problem. They found problems more often than you might suspect.
Well that'll never work. You'll never catch the mutated super rabbits.
Too bad we didn't even try to manage it back in the day.
Words that should be engraved over every government building entrance.
what goes around and drops on people comes around and laks into the groundwater.
They jumped the commie shark. It's sharks all the way down (who ate the turtles that used to be there).
Mmmmm.... turtles...
Feel free to get the fuck out.
Somebody already is getting it out, that's why we need the mattress.
Capitalism has officially jumped the shark.
And the shark is wondering if Capitalism has jumped his wife.
I bend your wife over the La-z-boy, I don't fuck her in your bed. But have fun wasting your money, and letting your wife know you're onto her when this mattress shows up!
What's the lazy boy doing in the house? Tell him to get back out and clean the pool like I pay him for.
I remain firmly of the belief that the *ONLY* thing that a couple with any sincere desire to get married should ever be planning for with regards to being apart someday is if one of them dies before the other, and ensuring to the best of their ability that the surviving partner still has a means to carry on without them.
Talking about how assets should be divided in the event of infidelity places the importance of material possessions above that of the marriage itself, and I would suggest that someone who would ask for such a prenup has no business getting married in the first place, since they clearly do not understand what real love is.
the *ONLY* thing that a couple with any sincere desire to get married should ever be planning for with regards to being apart someday is if one of them dies before the other, and ensuring to the best of their ability that the surviving partner has an unbreakable alibi.
I need this to know when the dog gets on the bed during the workday.
Shame on you for calling your wife "the dog".
Because you can't have sex on the sofa, on the floor - right next to the bed - or in the shower ...
Nonsense! My sofa isn't on the floor right next to the bed!
This is a solution looking for a problem. A motion sensing camera would be a less expensive solution, and also capture anything happening in the room...it's not always done on the mattress, go figure. The mattress also isn't going to give you a clue as to who's ass you need to kick.
Turns out it's the maid and the gardener.
It's clearly intended as an automatic checkout for a brothel. Just leave your credit card on file.
ISIS has UFOs! We're doomed!
Why does no one ever consider the [admittedly remote] possibility that the moon landings were faked... on the moon? :)
No! They were clearly faked; it was a landing on the Sun, with the lens stopped way down!!!
Define flying.
"There is an art to flying, or rather a knack. Its knack lies in learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss. ... Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, that presents the difficulties."
Clearly, there's no intelligent life here, so why would aliens care?
Got a quota of rectums to probe before heading back to the mother ship.
I get really tired of my tax dollars paying for things that don't work or go down as the government sees fit. There's no excuse for NASA taking down this camera when it's convenient for them. My tax dollars paid for it. Likewise, when I comtact a government official, they owe it to me to reply. After all, I pay for their salary through my tax dollars. And government officials have no right to circumvent things like the requirement to allow the public to apply for jobs. It's fucking ridiculous when I see a research job at a federal laboratory posted for around $100k/yr, which is only open for applications for six days, and doesn't pay for relocation expenses. That position was written with the intent of giving it to a particular person with every intent of circumventing the requirement to conduct a fair hiring process. And my tax dollars pay for that. It's bullshit. Fuck NASA and the rest of the federal government.
Oh Mr. Paul, relax, you can run for President next time.
Tell that to Trump. He says there are 11 million of them among us :-)
Actually, Trump says there are 34 million of them, and that's why he can't avoid hiring them. http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS...
Clearly it was a reflection off a window. (Collects check from alien conspiracy.)
Swamp gas, looks to me.
Whoa, hold on. The usual story I hear from deniers is that the Earth's temperature is NOT rising, that these are all politically-funded manipulations of faulty data.
But that would still require a mysterious force or undetectable phenomena to be keeping the earth abnormally cool, because a simple experiment demonstrates that CO2 is a greenhouse gas - and therefore more CO2 molecules in the atmosphere will lead to an increase in the greenhouse effect.
Also, it requires a 150 year old conspiracy to manipulate the temperature data to create a false upward trend. What would motivate a meteorologist from 100 years ago to write down the wrong temperature? What is his motivation? How was this kept a secret for so long? Who is the beneficiary of this gargantuan, and hugely complex multi-century undertaking?
Worse than that; a 150 year conspiracy to pretend that the surface temperature of the earth is 30+ degrees K higher than that of the moon due to natural CO2 in the atmosphere, when obviously the two have to be at the same temperature because there is no greenhouse effect. Otherwise, you'd have to think the effect would automatically stop just at 280 ppm of CO2, and that would be just silly.
Sorry, you lose. Suppression of data is a huge red flag.
Good thing you have access to the data now, and can show us where it has been misused.
AWG is so obvious and provable the CRU REFUSED to release data for 7 years from legal FOIA requests that they illegally ignored. Only after 7 years of legal battles, yes it takes legal battles to get data to peer review because it is so solid, they deleted the data a month before a judge was going to force them to hand it over.
Does this sound like the actions of a scientist that is so confident in his research that it could stand up to peer review? no
How many IPCC predictions were correct 10 years after they were made? 0%
Those are my problems with AGW. I could care less about Mann. I want to see the research, I want it peer reviewed, I want to see solid predictions made that pan out. I have yet to see any of that. That is what is science and AGW supporters can't supply it. Instead they rely on attacking personalities and calling people names for bringing up the completely valid questions I did. Since they have lied non-stop and constantly name called everyone else, my only possible conclusion is that AGW is a fraud. Seeing as Al Gore has made literally hundreds of millions based on it, there is evidence of fraud and the person profiting from it.
"The University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit, target of "ClimateGate", has released nearly all its remaining data on temperature measurements following a freedom of information bid. The unit works with the UK Met Office to compile one of the world's most used records of global temperature change. Most temperature data was already available, but critics of climate science want everything public. Data from Trinidad and Tobago is being released against the country's wishes. Following the latest release, raw data from virtually all of the world's 5,000-plus weather stations is freely available. The only exceptions concern 19 weather stations in Poland, for which the Polish national weather service has declined to release data, for reasons it has not elaborated. The requests were made two years ago by Jonathan Jones, a quantum computing specialist at Oxford University, and Don Keiller, a biologist at Anglia Ruskin University in Cambridge.
...
The Met Office, as the UK's national weather service, had approached the owners of data from more than 1,500 weather stations around the world - both inside and outside the zone covered by the FoI requests. Many had given data to the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) on the understanding that it would not be made public - the main reason being that they charge for the information. About 60% either failed to respond, or responded equivocally. Some were willing to have it go public, while Trinidad and Tobago asked categorically for it to be kept private. UEA argued that breaking pledges of privacy could damage international relations, and relations between UK research institutions and partners overseas. But the Information Commissioner ruled that public interest in disclosure outweighed those considerations. Trevor Davies, UEA's pro-vice chancellor for research, said the potential for damaging relations was still a concern. "This particular ruling might have unintended and potentially damaging consequences for international collaboration," he said. "We regret having to release data from Trinidad and Tobago against that state's express wish; but we want to place beyond all doubt our determination to be open with our data and to comply with the ICO's instruction." Data from 3,780 weather stations had been released earlier this year via the UK Met Office, while US portals such as the Global Historical Climatological Network also put raw readings into the public domain." http://www.bbc.com/news/scienc...