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Sarah Palin Says 'Bill Nye Is As Much A Scientist As I Am' (cnn.com)
ClickOnThis quotes a report from CNN: Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin mocked Bill Nye on Thursday, using the premier of a film that criticizes climate change scientists to call into question Nye's credentials. "Bill Nye is as much a scientist as I am," the 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee said, according to The Hill. "He's a kids' show actor, he's not a scientist." Palin, who was speaking at the Washington premiere of the anti-climate change film "Climate Hustle," targeted Nye during a rant against the "alarmism" of climate change activists. Palin urged parents to teach their children to "ask those questions and not just believe what Bill Nye the Science Guy is trying to tell them" about climate change. Just because Bill Nye may be best known for his role in the popular educational TV series "Bill Nye the Science Guy," doesn't mean he isn't a scientist. In fact, he graduated from Cornell University's School of Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering. From Wikipedia: In the early 2000s, Nye assisted in the development of a small sundial that was included in the Mars Exploration Rover missions. He holds several U.S. patents, including one for ballet pointe shoes and another for an educational magnifying glass created by filling a clear plastic bag with water.
we're all equal, right?
If Sarah Palin had any less brain activity we could legally harvest her organs.
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"...he graduated from Cornell University's School of Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering."
Wouldn't that would make him an engineer and not a scientist? Of course, he's still significantly more intelligent than Palin or any of her kinfolk, he's just not a scientist.
Sarah Palin the Science Witch just doesn't have the same ring to it.
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Bill Nye is an entertainer... I don't seem to remember reading too many of his scientific publications. But then again, Sarah Palin is also an entertainer. She sure as hell isn't a public servant.
he graduated and has done some work in the field. The funny thing is that he and his famous-for-being-famous colleague Neal Harry Tyson or whatever his name is, have been praised and raised to the status of gods by U.S media and Americans. Their faces now cover posters with quotes like "The earth is not flat" and nobody knows why.
I don't think anyone's not a scientist as much as Sarah Palin's not one.
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Bill Nye is as much a scientist as I am, ...
She kind of correct, but not complete. Bill is as much a scientist as she is, but she isn't (nearly) as much a scientist as Bill is.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
If he uses the scientific method, then he's a scientist. Whether Sarah Palin is a scientist, or not, is left as an exercise for the reader.
Other than the fact he worked on the 747....
Except he has. His B.S. predates his acting carrer by a few decades.
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"...he graduated from Cornell University's School of Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering."
Wouldn't that would make him an engineer and not a scientist? Of course, he's still significantly more intelligent than Palin or any of her kinfolk, he's just not a scientist.
Frequently, engineers do science and scientists do engineering.
The difference between engineering and science is often one of intent rather than activity. Very broadly speaking, engineering is about making things that work, whereas science is about trying to understand how and why they work.
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The full quote: "Bill Nye is as much a scientist as I am, and I know all about the weather and stuff. You know how much weather we get in Alaska? Tons. Most every day there's some kinda weather, the wind's blowin' or the rain's rainin'... Shoot, I can see all of that from my house sometimes. I'm an expert."
One would presume that en Engineering Degree would require more than a little exposure to the scientific method. I know that my first year of EE has plenty of lab work which required that I take a logical approach in determining why the chem lab was not performing like the lab notes indicated, or why the nand gate logic was not providing the results that I expected (darn old hexadecimal) or even why the mis-application of current to the transistor made the magic smoke come out.
Bill Nye demonstrates this things, while Sarah Palin demonstrates things like faith and conviction which require no understanding or application of scientific method.
Any engineer worth his salt is still more of a scientist than Palin is.
Well I say Bill Nye is the greatest god damn scientist of all time. OF ALL TIME. I'm just as qualified to make that judgement as Palin is, so suck it.
Remind me again why they keep giving that washed up gas bag air time? I thought she'd dried up and blown away already.
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I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Not sure how Palin plans to dismiss the legions of real scientists who have all concluded that climate change is real, and man made.
Of course Bill Nye never did any primary research on climate change, but he knows enough to recognize real science.
with a complete understanding of all the top climate models and their error statistics, and that not one of them is a blind zealot. Go ahead. I'm waiting.
"...he graduated from Cornell University's School of Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering."
Wouldn't that would make him an engineer and not a scientist? Of course, he's still significantly more intelligent than Palin or any of her kinfolk, he's just not a scientist.
I wouldn't call someone with a physics PhD who writes generic software a scientist, would I call someone with an engineering degree who did original engineering work in aerospace and later specialized in science education a scientist? I'm not sure, I guess it's it's a bit of a philosophical distinction.
Either way he's clearly far more of a scientist than most people, Palin especially.
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You can't call her a cunt, she lacks both the depth and warmth.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
"Sarah Palin is just stating the truth Bill Nye only has a degree in Engineering not in Science"
Uhh, it's called a Bachelor's of Science - Engineering degree - a BSE. Bill has one. You're a fucking idiot.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Look climate change may be real (well it is real, it's changing all the time), it may even be man made. Everyone has a right to an opinion, whether it agrees with yours or not. Bill Nye is an actor with a engineering degree. Sarah Palin is a once governor of Alaska. Neither one of them should have the right to put me in jail for disagreeing with them, but that is what Bill Nye suggested. Sorry on this one, I side with Sarah Palin. On climate change, I think people like Bill Nye who try to stifle argument are afraid of something, and it's not that they're afraid they're right. You don't fight with such vigor to shut out debate unless the foundation of your argument is suspect.
Wouldn't that would make him an engineer and not a scientist? Of course, he's still significantly more intelligent than Palin or any of her kinfolk, he's just not a scientist.
He hasn't done any engineering, he's an actor. Like any other actor he ranks below anyone that isn't a sales or marketing guy.
At least wikipedia the guy before you say something which is demonstrably false.
He was a fairly qualified engineer before his TV show. As in he worked at Boeing on the 747 and was an aeronautics consultant for a long time.
He is more of an engineer than a scientist, but he knows enough science to educate kids and the general public.
Uhm, it's a BS degree. Bill Nye uses it effectively, he's full of BS.
Engineering is Applied Science. Science is a method of studying the natural world, engineering uses scientific principles and methods in applications in the real world, rather than theoretical one.
Engineers are scientists. You'd have to be a moron to believe they aren't.
Wouldn't that would make him an engineer and not a scientist? Of course, he's still significantly more intelligent than Palin or any of her kinfolk, he's just not a scientist.
He hasn't done any engineering, he's an actor. Like any other actor he ranks below anyone that isn't a sales or marketing guy.
I realize that denialists are reduced now to calling anyone who believes in AGW a "Stupid CacaHEad, and that's the extent of their argument, but tell me. If Bill Nye was a carpenter, or a plumber, does that mean his views are wrong on AGW?
You see, denialists have backed themselves into a corner. They call Nye "not a scientist so he's wrong", But who gives a damn? They don't believe scientists who they say are scientists? Need a frggin program to keep up with deniers now.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
if we CHOOSE to be: The Oxford English Dictionary defines "Scientist" as:"One who is studying or has expert knowledge of one or more of the natural or physical sciences." Bill Nye is certainly as qualified as a student of Climate Science as anyone else; even a serial rapist can qualify to be identified as a scientist if they diligently study one or more of the sciences; a disreputable scientist, to be sure, but a student of science nonetheless.
It is those who reject "climate change" out of hand--with no scientific basis or study, relying solely on their own self interest--who are not scientists. (I would be happier if all politicians had to become ardent and proven students of "political science," on of the fields within "the humanities" field, before they could run for public office.)
Sarah Palin's only notable study of anything but her own self-aggrandizement has been her assertion that she reads "...all of them..." when asked which newspapers she reads. That isn't "study," that's a bald-face lie.
He helped build this thing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... which is on Mars now, so he has.
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If you need evidence, go look at the idiotic CO2 experiment that Gore and Nye said that anyone could replicate in their homes.
First, they formulated the experiment exactly wrong from how CO2 forcing works.
Second, they falsified the results to coincide with their preconceptions.
Not only is he a scientist, but he definitively *trounced* Isaac Newton in an Epic Rap Battle!!
He has Oriental connections
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Eh, I've got a BS in EE and an MS in CS yet when it's convenient people will point out that I'm not a scientist. I think this is just another case of people defining a word to mean whatever is convenient for their argument at the moment.
Congratulations, you've caught Sarah Palin saying something false and dumb. With that kinds of investigative gumption, you may also get the scoop on developing stories like "Local Bear Shits in Woods". Keep the "news" coming!
Not that im saying Palin is right or anything.....
On a side note I just can't stand him....hes got a very puchable face and demenor. I also hear he is also somewhat of a dickhead in person from a few various stories i've read over the years.
SCIENCE BATTLE!
To the Science Dome! Two scientists enter one scientist leaves*!
*The other is fired.... out of a canon.... into the sun.
she clearly has been experimenting with something
She right up there in brains with Scott Walker. The average republican I.Q. must be in the low 90's.
So, say theoretically I could pick the science teacher for my kids' school. The science teacher can be:
A) Bill Nye Science Guy, or
B) Sarah Palin.
Hmmm.. which to pick, which to pick....
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*cricket*
But she's always (all) wet.
is that anyone pays attention to anything Sarah Palin says. She's raucous as a crow and dumber than a stump - why would anyone take her seriously?
'The Economy' is a giant Ponzi scheme whose most pitiable suckers are the youngest among us and the yet-unborn.
Bill Nye reads science books, Sarah reads pop-up books.
Table-ized A.I.
Is she doing scientific research into drugs? She has to be on something good!
Support your local school shooter, give them your firearms.
And she seems to be ugly inside.
A person who makes their living spewing BS and lies telling a lie at the premiere of a movie based on lies. I'm shocked!
A scientist is someone who seeks to find the truth via the scientific process. Bill Nye is not this. He is an actor.
Actually he is an engineer and arguably a scientist too. He also happens to be an actor, scientific advocate, writer, and several other things besides. Unlike Sara Palin he actually has a talent beside self promotion. If you want to call him a citizen scientist, fine, but he's much more involved in science than 99.9% of the population. Particularly one former governor of Alaska.
Bill has a Bachelor of Science degree. Note the "Science" as part of his degree?
Sarah's degree would likely be a Bachelor of Arts.
>Implying actors can't be scientists
To do good engineering, you need to do good science. And to do good science, you most likely need to do good engineering as well.
Spoken like a true idiot Facebook user.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
This is a perfect example of the extremists view that their firmly held and fervently believed ignorance is just as valid as scientific facts and reality.
Can we just stop listening to then yet? Yes they ARE entitled to their beliefs, what they are NOT entitled to do is force their ignorance into governance, science, or the health and welfare of the nations people.
Now it's controversial to be skeptical about what the weatherman says.
I've lived too long.
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Sarah Palin is as much a governor as Bill Nye.
In that case..I am as much a politician as Palin is...
From the summary: Palin urged parents to teach their children to "ask those questions and not just believe what Bill Nye the Science Guy is trying to tell them"
Bill Nye would enthusiastically agree that kids (and adults) should "ask those questions and not just believe what (ANYONE, including) Bill Nye the Science Guy is trying to tell them."
she clearly has been experimenting with something
I am pretty sure it is limited to different methods of ingesting ethanol, which we all know is God's Drug, and perfectly wholesome and sinless to imbide. And if someone throws a few punches at someone else after a few, whose counting, (or even remembers the next day)?
Second class citizen of the New Gilded Age
Does this mean she's willing to listen to people who are climate scientists? Probably not but if so that's progress on her part.
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
Sarah Palin is actually correct about something. It was bound to happen at some point.
You can get a BA in a science. It means you skipped the math and other hard parts.
You can also get a BS in pure liberal arts bullshit. It almost always means the liberal arts school perceives what their 'education' has done to the value of 'BA', hence they try to gloom onto the academic rigor maintained in the sciences...'Science Envy'.
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Is as dumb a cunt as I am.
By weatherman I think you mean physics.
Bill Nye is every bit as much a scientist as she is, and more. But of course such a simple concept as "as much" not being an upper limit is beyond her.
Found the kid...
It's work to get a cunt wet. If it's futile work, you're going about it wrong...less paint shaker, more flowers.
Pay attention, hopefully she knows how.
What more does she need to know all about Russia.
Same thing with climate change.
She sees snow in Alaska so she knows climate change is not real.
What more do we need to know?
Thems are fighting words bitch
the more bill nye talks the more money he makes. the more sarah palin talks the more money she makes. you are a bunch of blind damned fools the whole lot of you.
Really.
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That link made my day, thanks lol
We don't do science. We just agree, and that's that!
Many engineers do science, just like many scientists do engineering. Real life is messy like that and not segmented like college, even though some degrees like EE and physics share a majority of subjects, if not classes. When I got my EE degree I was able to apply the classes I'd taken through the physics department towards the enginering degree. Like E&M and waveguides. As far as I could tell, the covered the same material, but physics was more concerned with derivations while engineering was closer to practical work solving problems Lots of problems. Hundreds, maybe thousands each semester. Contrast this with physics whee you might solve a dozen problems a semester, but the answers can be a dozen or more pages long. Look at Paul Dirac, he had an engineering degree.
The old "my ignorance is just as good as your expertise" argument that stupid, egotistical people love to make.
There's something a little predictable about Palin and Lamar Smith inviting along Bill Nye the science guy instead of a "real scientist", i.e. one with impeccable climate science credentials, then using the argument "but he's not a real scientist".
That would make any patent lawyer an engineer.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
I used to work in experimental nuclear physics. All the lab apparatus, ie the detectors, were designed and built by the physicists, primarily the grad student for a PHd thesis. Same goes for STMs. I used to know one of the physicists who designed and built one of the first STMs including designing the computer hardware from chip level, doing board design, etc. Not only that, but he wrote the software himself.
He holds several U.S. patents, including one for ballet pointe shoes and another for an educational magnifying glass created by filling a clear plastic bag with water.
Really? Water refracting light rays is now patentable?
That's freedom baby!
Free dumb.
But I think the fairest analogy would be this: I'd conclude that Bill Nye is as much a scientist as Sarah Palin is a politician.
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He holds a patent on filling a bag with water?
because of God. I'm not sure how to counter that sentiment. Reason and logic won't work because, well, if they did then we wouldn't be having this conversation...
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Probably. They are just awfully hard to find. Forget individual scientists, we can't even identify successful scientific theories about climate...
And by "successful" I mean a) verifiable; b) falsifiable; c) verified; d) not falsified.
Try to list any successful climate predictions publicized before they came true within 80% of predicted values (if quantifiable)...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
The news-bit about Mr. Nye's call to prosecute "deniers" was submitted to Slashdot yesterday, but did not make it. He was quoted as:
When the opponents of the supposedly scientific theory you like are not merely wrong or even stupid, but are criminals, you immediately stop being a scientist even if you ever were one (and Mr. Nye was an engineer before becoming an entertainer). You become a totalitarian asshole...
If Governor Palin is wrong, it is was when she compares herself to him.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Nobody serious has ever claimed there weren't some blind zealots on the climate change side because on EVERY issue there are blind zealots. There really are people who get their undies in a serious bunch on both sides of the airline peanut issue. Over peanuts, literally.
But at this point the only people left denying climate change entirely are the blind zealots and the politicians, because even the paid shills have limits.
I have heard of schools that offer a BA in a science field (and yes, with the hard parts) but I have never heard of one that offers a BSc in an arts field.
Those schools that offer a BA in a science field do so for reasons of their institutional history. Kind of like the PhD, which is a Doctor of Philosophy degree, but can be awarded in many disciplines that are not closely related to philosophy.
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He quit doing that a bunch of years ago to become a TV actor. Which is fine, "there's nothing wrong with that" (said in the Seinfeld sense)
True, but also irrelevant. It's all shorthand for something or other.
I can spend half a second saying 'global warming is bullshit' and move on to my next point.
Or I can spend several minutes explaining that what I specifically mean is not that the climate isn't warming, not that greenhouse gasses don't trap heat, not that climate models don't predict warming, not that ice cores don't indicate 'unprecedented' warming, but that
1. My own experience with radiative and convective transfer models tells me to only believe their outputs to one or two decimals places
2. My own experience with nonlinear and partially-observed dynamical system tells me that that third and fourth decimal place usually bite you in the ass
3. Greenhouse gasses aren't a uniformly reflective blanket, the ground isn't a uniformly emissive blackbody, and actually measuring absolute reflectivity and emissivity in the LWIR is a lot harder than people think it is
4. Ice cores notwithstanding, if there wasn't a thermometer to calibrate the old ice, it's still extrapolation,
and finally:
5. Given all of these very real complications and given academic scientists' unfortunate tendency to sweep these sorts of deep rabbit-holes under the rug, no waydo I have confidence that the often-drastic economic policies that are often floated as remedies to this "problem" are even remotely justified, especially given that the aforementioned solutions sound like the same collectivist BS the socialists have been advocating for the last century-and-a-half, this time with a new excuse.
But that's a mouthful to get out every time. So I just say 'global warming is bullshit' and move on to stay ahead of the next bit of sloppy thinking the commies are going to try. The sad thing is, the shorthand is repeated so often that people start to think of it as the substance of the argument instead of a symlink to it.
There are schools that offer both a BS and BA in some sciences. The BA is basically 'arm waving', they take the 'baby versions' of all the usual bears. Yes they have baby p-chem...p-chem without math? It's fulfilling a market demand, sad. Gives 'almost graduated' students a soft landing and graceful exit.
Also liberal arts schools that only give BAs. Usually their science departments are less than well respected. No PhD programs, etc. A few of the least respectable of these have simply tried to 'get away from the distinction of BA/BS' and called everything a BS.
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a nobody said something and its news why?
A terribly ignorant woman?
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
Congratulations, you once again going the masses of people THINKING Sarah Palin was wrong, but in your epic smugness forgot to fact check.
Oops! Don't worry, your shame will only last for a few generations (shame on that level transmits via DNA).
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I suspect the real quote was "Bill Nye is as much a scientist as I am a public servant."
From Wikipedia: "A scientist is a person engaging in a systematic activity to acquire knowledge that describes and predicts the natural world. In a more restricted sense, a scientist may refer to an individual who uses the scientific method. The person may be an expert in one or more areas of science."
You can have a degree in Medieval Art History and still be a scientist as long as you adhere to the scientific method.
She was the Governor of Alaska and before she was John McCain's running mate, she had sky-high bi-partisan approval ratings - some of the highest for any governor in the nation at the time. She attacked corruption in her state in BOTH parties angering both Republican and Democrat officials as she knocked out a bunch of "big oil" related bad politics. Average Democrats in Alaska only turned on her when she was the Republican VP candidate.
After all the hatred heaped upon her by liberals, even to the extent of hacking into her personal e-mail and dumping it for the whole world to go through, nobody found any corruption in messages she never thought of her political opponents would ever see. Contrast this with Hillary, who has done everything she could possibly do to keep even her government documents hidden from the courts and the public. After Democrats took advantage of Alaska's unusual ethics laws and filed a whole raft of lawsuits against her to try to destroy her, she resigned as governor, stating that this would save both her family and the taxpayers of the state a large amount of money, which indeed it did. All the lawsuits went away and the taxpayers saved a ton of cash and she was never found guilty of anything. All those lawsuits were as phoney as a Gloria Allred atack - tons of news and political attention designed to hound some office holder or candidate but as soon as the candidate/politician is out of the way the suit is dropped. Amazing, right?
I am fascinated that the idiots who always call her stupid raise the following issues:
They claim she said she could see Russia from her house. She never said this. Tina Fey who impersonated her on SNL said it and stupid morons who don't know any better think Sarah said it. (Who's the REAL moron?)
They howl that she was seen writing a reminder to herself on her hand with a pen, as proof that she needs to read her speeches. They ignore the fact that their hero, Obama, has used TWO teleprompters to speak with elementary school kids, AND that in the year she was VP nominee the teleprompters at the RNC convention failed and she gave her entire speech off-the-cuff (she was so good, viewers did not know that the teleprompters had failed).
They complain that she is unintelligible. She's actually quite easy to understand. She has a parenthetical speaking style not uncommon in rural America, and probably amplified by trying to avoid "gotcha" sound bites that Democrats have repeatedly used to attack her. She's generally as grammatically correct as any other politician but with more complex sentences which anybody with a sufficient IQ can easily understand but the simple-minded who can only follow sentences with single nouns and single verbs find very confusing. If you cannot understand Sarah Palin then Comedy Central is probably the ideal source of news and information for you.
They love to attack anything she say as crazy or insane, even when it is objectively true. The article is a good example. Sarah is not a scientist and neither is Bill Nye, although she never pretended to be one and did not mislead millions of Americans into thinking she was one as Bill Nye did. So not only is he no more a scientist than she is... he's less honest.
They disagree with her on policies - which is normally fine in America, but to the modern American leftist any opposing idea is EVIL and any opposing viewpoint must be suppressed. So much for being "open minded" and "tolerant"
Be careful, that's exactly the line of thinking that got Bill into trouble...
It's ridiculous to say that someone who has a degree is that which the degree says they are. This is how insurance companies get away with claiming that denying medical services is done by their "doctors". While, in fact, these are people with MD education who work full-time as insurance adjusters. Professional credentials are lost without practice. Would someone who was a programmer 20 years ago be a credible "programming expert"? Would they be that even if they accomplished something of note 20 years ago? Would you trust them on their opinion on a piece of software whose source they never saw? Then why would a former gynecologist be qualified to judge what type of medicine a cancer patient need? Or why would a TV actor's judgement of subtle scientific difference between "scientifically certain" of whether a hypothesis been proven, as opposed to"scientifically sound" opinion of whether a hypothesis been proven, would be a judgement worth listening to? Having a scientific education qualifies him to study the subject matter... not to comment on it because other scientists have studied it.
Any guest worker system is indistinguishable from indentured servitude.
How about calling her American Taliban?
"Next, Carey asked about teaching alternatives to evolution - such as creationism and intelligent design - in public schools"
Palin: “Teach both. You know, don’t be afraid of information.
That's about as much a "call to prosecute 'deniers'" as Sarah Palin is still a governor. On a related note, when you resign your job before finishing your term, you also cease to have the right to be called "governor".
So Bull Nye the Lyin' Guy is a fascist too. No big surprise there. A lot of media whores are, given the chance.
...for the magnitude of anti-science sentiment in this thread, on a site ostensibly for tech heads. And I, for one, cannot wait until the day when the lid is accidentally blown off and we can actually put names to the people and organizations coordinating this paid effort. It will be ten times more delicious than when the point-one-percenters got their Panama legs blown out from underneath them.
When do we get to punish the people who deny the truth and try to confuse the masses for political and financial gain?
I really do.
He isn't talking about people's ideas. He was talking about companies that tried to or succeeded in paying off or burying evidence that their product or actions were harming the environment.
Is that surprising? They are brethren in spirit. They don't care about truth or other menial things.
The dumbest person in public life.
Well, I was going to dispute your statements as my undergraduate degrees in Physics and Math were both BAs and that was all that was offered at the prestigious major research university I graduated from in 1980, but I went back and checked and damned if they don't offer a BS and BA in Math now. What's up with that? Is there really a demand for crippled degrees in the sciences like that? Must be for those who want to double with a liberal arts major, too.
Your strawman would not even look nice in a schoolyard.
I have no idea what kind of "exposure" it requires, but in practice, engineers think and reason very different from scientists. There are few people who manage to be both good engineers and good scientists. (Bill Nye, IMO, is neither.)
Careful about physicists. Don't they want 6 sigma before announcing? "Climatolagists" seem to be happy with massive model uncertainty. Kindof like economists and you know what they say about economists...
There is a point where "science ignorning" becomes "criminal negligence". Especially when you continue to pollute the planet for personal profit.
so you are saying because Ben Franklin didn't have a Modern BS degree he was never a scientist?
Neat how the RWNJ's are ignoring the part where that's talking about prosecuting companies that spent hundreds of millions on denying climate change to protect their company profits, Same as the cigarette and asbestos industries spent decades denying that their products were inherently harmful.
Look, Denialists, lets make a deal: you guys can all move out to the Maldives. If it was all just a hoax cooked up by Al Gore, you can enjoy your beachfront property, sipping martinis and mocking those stupid liberals. If it's not a hoax, then you can all go fuck yourselves under rising sea waters.
Deal?
Bluntly: Hogwash.
Someone with a formal training in engineering can become a scientist.
Someone with a formal training in the sciences (less focus on engineering) can become an engineer.
Someone with training and/or experience in either/both can be and become either/both.
Someone with training and/or experience in neither (like, for example, Sarah Palin) should shut the fuck up about things they do not understand and/or (seemingly) have an interest in actively and purposefully misunderstanding.
Meh, some people these days...
Mr. Nye. like Mr. Musk is an entrepreneur. That is not bad, just a needed distinction.
Mr. Nye's business is Mr. Nye, his greatest creation.
Though he has various honorary doctorates, those are accolades and do not distinguish him, by themselves, as a scientist. Becoming a scientist takes several years, creative work, and vetting by a committee of scientists. Afterward there come years of more work and peer-reviewed papers in science journals. Where are Mr. Nye's papers?
Many 10s of thousands of people have patents, by the way, but the real worth of a patent is how many corporations license a patent held by another.
Denialism is a fraud, designed to fool people into thinking that Climate Change is not real for the benefit of those who perpetuate the lie.
If happens here on Slashdot too. On numerous occasions, I've corrected someone's erroneous view of climate science (e.g, it's not falsifiable, it's a conspiracy, it's the sun, it's the moon, it's gravitational lensing, it's not warming, climate models don't correlate to observations) only to find them pasting the exact same next time. First time, possibly an honest mistake. Second time? Deliberately lying.
The deception is happening on a larger scale than slashdot of course. SO the question is, why WOULDN'T we? I fully expect litigation to begin sooner or later: denialists have cost us wads of money by delaying action and therefore made the problem worse. I see no issue with extracting that money from the people who caused the extra expense. Why shouldn't they pay their bill?
Classic.
And you know because of what exactly?
"I used to think Michael Palin was the funniest Palin alive."
... and done well. She's got you all nicely polarised and arguing about an irrelevance in black and white terms.
Now you're all wound up and ready to go forth and argue with your family, friends, and workmates in similarly polarised terms.
The purpose is to shift the window away from rational & considerate discussion to polarised arguing. She's won.
What part of "a well regulated militia" do you not understand?
Big Bird is not really a bird.
no waydo I have confidence that the often-drastic economic policies that are often floated as remedies to this "problem"
This. A thousand times this.
I have yet to find a single policy combating AGW, with anything but a positive effect on the economy, environment (even if counting out the detrimental effect of warming) or human well-being.
To say something is too expensive just because it cost money is drinking the capitalist kool-aid. When someone starts listing even the first explanation on how combating AGW costs resources, lowers the standard of living or in any ways makes life uncomfortable, then I'll stop laughing at the "denyers" [sic].
(NB: a 10% cut to the income of the 10% richest people in the world is not sufficient reason in my book)
I have this scientific theory of asbestos not causing cancer. Actually I think the fibers are super healthy for you. As such I'll start selling asbestos toys to kindergardens. Helathy asbestos toys for everyone!!!!
Obviously my theory is as least as worthy as all the other "scientists" theories saying it is dangerous for some reason or another so don't you dare to try to stop me you totalitarian asshole.
Now it's controversial to be skeptical about what the weatherman says.
Depends really. If the weatherman says it's raining out, every other weatherman says it's raining out and you look out and it's actually raining, then if you remain skeptical of what the weatherman says, then it's not so much controversial as a bit nuts.
Also, climate isn't weather and if you believe it's so unpredictable, I'll bet you $50 that it won't snow in London in the whole of August this year. To sweeten it a bit how about you get $100 if you win but I only get $50 if I win.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
As a (retired) professional scientist, I've attended many scientific conferences where I've lunched with scientists and engineers trained in many different fields. Once you're certified as competent in any technical field, you can apply your expertise to nearly any problem. One of the best aerospace engineers that I've known was trained as a biologist. He had titanium forgings mixed in between quite a few plants in his office.
From what I understand from popular culture, scientists have a general disdain for engineers, they will often make jokes at the engineer's expense and then follow up with a "Bazinga!"
This is Palin using the Trump-like tactic of saying something outrageous in order to get free media attention.
And, we play into this every time.
she looks at all the pictures "reading" them very carefully I'm sure
Given the comments Nye has made over time, he clearly has a "loose" grasp of the scientific method. So I'd say yes, he's about the same level as Palin.
Every. Single. Day.
An article about the LIE that is 'climate change', which is meant to be taken to mean 'catastrophic man-made global warming'. Funny how they stopped using the term 'global warming', isn't it... I wonder why that was...
www.wattsupwiththat.com
http://www.climatedepot.com/2016/04/14/bill-nye-the-jail-the-skeptics-guy-nye-entertains-idea-of-jailing-climate-skeptics-for-affecting-my-quality-of-life-exclusive-video/
If you don't know Bill Nye, here is more info https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...
Oh Great Echo Chamber Leader Of All Things Great And Small On Every Slashdot Clickbait AGW Climate Article!
We, The Ignorant Denialists, Do Beseech You!
Tell Us Oh Great Echo Chamberist! Who pays you to spam the internet with your nonsense?
I realize that denialists are reduced now to calling anyone who believes in AGW a "Stupid CacaHEad, and that's the extent of their argument, but tell me. If Bill Nye was a carpenter, or a plumber, does that mean his views are wrong on AGW?
It is also an inherently self-disqualifying argument. What if the denialists were right that you shouldn't listen to Bill Nye because he's "not a scientist"? By that logic, you double extra-special shouldn't listen to the denialists, who are also not scientists. Their own argument includes their own defeat; if Bill Nye has nothing useful to say, then they have even less.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Oh Great Echo Chamber Leader Of All Things Great And Small On Every Slashdot Clickbait AGW Climate Article!
We, The Ignorant Denialists, Do Beseech You!
Tell Us Oh Great Echo Chamberist! Who pays you to spam the internet with your nonsense?
You've read enough of my modus. Cites of research, and asking for denialist research. And I don't care one bit what you think. Your mind is sealed, filled with denial by politicians who you get your denial from, politicians who are paid for their opinion.
Good for you, because there is a class of people who are happier wiht unchanging opinions, be they right or wrong. If you are happy with ideological physics, join the Lysenkoists, the creationists, and others who define their science by policy, not fact. Not a shit is given by me about them or you, other than enjoying poking the denialst and conspiricist anthills to watch you scurry.
But since I find willful denial od physics kinda dumb, perhaps someone who hasn't closed their mind yet might be spared purposeful ignorance. The universe and physics are amazing and wonderful, much more exciting than the world according to Koch and Exxon.
Those are the people I'm trying to reach, not AC's who now see fit to pull the personality card on me. Good luck with that. I am an asshole, you know. But this asshole deals in facts, so calling me one as refutation just gets a "Yup, I'm an asshole".
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Brian May, we all know as the guitarist of Queen, completed a BS degree in Physics at Imperial College London. He did thesis work toward the Ph.D. in Astronomy in the early 70s and shared co-authorship on two papers.
In October 2006, he returned to Imperial and completed his Ph.D. thesis and was awarded the degree, Doctor of Philosophy in Astronomy. Therefore, Mr Brian May, has earned the title, Dr.,
Is Dr. Brian May, a Scientist?
In 2007, Dr. May was appointed Visiting Researcher at Imperial. Since then, he has not published any scholarly papers in peer-reviewed journals on Astronomy or Astrophysics. That's nine years .... and nothing!
http://astro.ic.ac.uk/bmay/home
So your logic is: If one single person who believes in something isn't 100% correct or has a bad motive it invalidates the whole thing? Uhhhh...?
Are you committing suicide, then? I'm not sorry to see you go, but at least you'll stop polluting the planet for your personal profit.
Oh, are you still here? Well, then. Criminal Negligence! Off to jail with you, polluter.
so you are saying because Ben Franklin didn't have a Modern BS degree he was never a scientist?
No, I never said that at all. Quite the contrary, in fact.
Are you sure you responded to the correct post?
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
(NB: a 10% cut to the income of the 10% richest people in the world is not sufficient reason in my book)
There you go again. NB: you don't get to dictate what 100,50,20,10,5, or 1 percent of the world's population can and cannot do and can and cannot own. It's called freedom. Suck on it.
Sure he's an actor not a scientist, but I'd still pay to see them both take an exam and score them both on science questions.
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Bill is a fake.
Gavin replied to critiques in a post on Real Climate once, saying "There are no errors in my model".
Once word started to get around, the entire thread was deleted, of course. Cannot allow any evidence damaging to the brand to exist.
You can't fill the atmosphere with CO2 and have it not act as a greenhouse.
Physicist? I thought the guy was a meteorologist.
Don Herbert, was Bill Nye's professional antecedent. He brought science to children's television from the 1950's (me) through the 1980's (my children). He was a general science and English major at the University of Wisconsin - La Crosse, flew bombers in WWII, and acted in children's programs such as the documentary health series It's Your Life (1949). see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Herbert
As Mr. Wizard ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watch_Mr._Wizard ), he was my first science teacher. I saw on his show things that I never saw again in my education (breaking a yard stick with a piece of newspaper) or saw only in graduate school, such as Schlieren Optics. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schlieren )
May the fleas of 10,000 camels pester anyone who speaks ill of either Don Herbert or Bill Nye.
I loved you in Who's Nailin' Palin.
Who say she is not an experiment herself?
In the other hand by her own way of "reasoning" that would make her close enough to science to be considered a scientist
I realize that denialists are reduced now to calling anyone who believes in AGW a "Stupid CacaHEad, and that's the extent of their argument, but tell me. If Bill Nye was a carpenter, or a plumber, does that mean his views are wrong on AGW?
It is also an inherently self-disqualifying argument. What if the denialists were right that you shouldn't listen to Bill Nye because he's "not a scientist"? By that logic, you double extra-special shouldn't listen to the denialists, who are also not scientists. Their own argument includes their own defeat; if Bill Nye has nothing useful to say, then they have even less.
There you go using logic again.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
There's a fairly famous case where some engineers at Apple were using "Sagan" as a codename for the project they were working on. This wasn't an official name for a released product. There was no marketing collateral, no press releases, no Steve Jobs keynote, no official public use of the name at all. It was just a purely internal codename like so many others. Carl Sagan somehow found out about said codename and promptly sued Apple, also writing "open letters" denouncing and making demands of the company. He lost, of course. But the product team changed their codename anyway... to "butt-head astronomer". Sagan sued again, alleging libel and defamation of character. Again, he lost.
Obviously I never knew the man personally. But he sure seems like a prick to me, to be slinging specious lawsuits around like that.
Imagine all the people...
He's not talking about idiots on the internet who don't know any better.
He's talking about the Merchants of Doubt types - the ones who are paid agents of oil companies. The ones who are explicitly hired to lie in order to maintain those oil companies' revenue streams.
Lying in order to acquire money from the deceived is the literal definition of fraud. Fraud is a crime. Ergo it is no great leap to call for those participating in the fraud to be criminally prosecuted.
His was a good joke, and I liked your answer, too.
His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
Data is independent of who voices it.
This isn't even a science lesson - too many people can't separate art and artist, message and messenger. Hell, the next headline over probably has bickering over an AC not using a "real name".
As for me, I find the occasional death threats to be invigorating.
Speaking as an engineer: Science is about trying to understand how things work. Engineering is about trying to figure out why things don't fucking work.
Instead of pretending to be stupid or drunk, consider that I was referring to the line "but in practice, engineers think and reason very different from scientists".
What is it about you that makes you suggest such a thing? From your earlier posts I get the impression that it may be because you hate scientists intensely but maybe not engineers - how about you supply the real reason behind your strange comment so that we don't have to guess based on your posting history.
How about an answer this time instead of running away rubbery figures boy?
He's an entertainer for a kid's show, nothing more.
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Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc
Just saying, Alaskans loathe that bitch. You quit being governor to be on TV? Well fuck you, too.
Not to put too fine a point on it, scientists and engineers are NOT the same.
Engineers mostly are trained with, and use standard, 'imperial' measurements, while scientists use the metric system.
(I know, I know... it's S.I., not 'metric'... whatev's)
In truth, it'd be more accurate to say engineers are scientists who are constrained by the realities of economics, whereas scientists don't generally concern themselves as much with whether something is feasible, only if it is possible. Engineers must be concerned with feasibility. (Obviously, that which is impossible is also infeasible by virtue of being impossible; it's a tautology.)
In any case, If Bill Nye isn't a scientist, then I guess Sarah Palin isn't a politician. She just plays one on TV. Recall that she's never been elected to a national elected-office, didn't complete her one term as governess of a state with a population so small it can scarcely be said to HAVE a population, and having resigned in disgrace to take a more lucrative job so that she could afford the lawyers she needed to defend herself, and possibly also her family, against charges of corruption and misuse of power, the one time any electorate was stupid enough to hand her any. She held some more minor offices before that, but those don't matter any more than my having once been a class president in grade school does. (Full disclosure: I was not actually class president. I was officially designated as class CLOWN, but these days, clown and president are nearly indistinguishable, or will likely become so next January, if America fucks up and elects a Republican, unless they find one who isn't running, and then still only maybe we'll be spared that.)
The headline could have been, "Functional sub-moron tries and fails to make fun of someone who is orders of magnitude smarter, and obviously vastly more intelligent than she is, only heaping further embarrassment upon herself."
The question this begs is, why would a shithead like Palin, making noises with her face-hole about Bill Nye, even make the news?
If I had two opinions on a scientific matter given to me, one by an engineer (BS in mechanical engineering) and one by a politician (bachelor's degree in communication), and I had to weigh their merits based on the educational background of these people alone, I would go with the engineer. (Yes, I realize this is edging close to the Appeal to Authority fallacy, but Palin did make their "non-scientist" standing an issue so I think this is a valid comparison to make.)
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Bill is clearly a way better speaker than Al Gore is. You know, the guy that created the Internet. Hey, I have to take that barb. Too easy.
Down to brass tacks. Yes things are warming up. We see that in earths history as well. What we see is things warm up and then we see an increase in CO2, not the other way around. So to say CO2 causes GW - not so fast. Let's see proof. So far there is no scientific method proof of it. There is plenty of proof it isn't based on the increased CO2 levels and that 15 year period where we didn't warm up. You know, the one that the IPCC says they have no idea how it happened. The one that showed their models don't work, and disproves their theory. You only need one counter example to disprove a hypothesis. We have about 15 years of experimentation to show it's wrong.
Now they want to jail anyone that disagrees with them. They can't have people thinking for themselves. Should be a big sign to everyone that they know they're wrong.
BTW, don't look at the deforestation of the Amazon, and many other things that probably really are heating things up. Can't tax those things so they don't care.
Oh and if you have proof that CO2 traps, warms things, I'll take just about anything that shows it somehow is warming things up - please let me know. I mean actual scientific method type proof. You know, something real.
Bill is clearly a way better speaker than Al Gore is. You know, the guy that created the Internet. Hey, I have to take that barb. Too easy. Down to brass tacks. Yes things are warming up. We see that in earths history as well. What we see is things warm up and then we see an increase in CO2, not the other way around. So to say CO2 causes GW - not so fast. Let's see proof.
Okay, and by the way - thank you for a reasoned response. One of the times of interest is the Cambrian era, with a mean atmospheric oxygen content around 63 percent of the modern era the mean atmospheric CO2 content was around 4500 ppm, which is some 16 times the pre-industrial level settled upon as a baseline.
the mean surface temperatures were 7 degrees C higher than today over the duration.
Sea level was rising frmo 30 meters to 90 meters over present levels Note as with all these long ago measurements, the data becomes a bit fuzzy. As well, there are other factors to consider, volcanic heating or cooling, and that depends on the droplet size of the sulfuric acid created by eruptions. precession of the earth, the increasing intensity of the sun. So many things that can affect the average global temperature, with even larger effects on local weather. Here's a nice level site regarding volcanos. http://volcano.oregonstate.edu...
The so called snowball earth, when the world may have been covered by glaciers - the arguments are whether it was completely covered or almost covered, was probably warmed by underwarer volcanic activity thet reeased CO2 into the atmosphere - I suspect the oceans might have been fizzy for a good while? Those ice ages, the Marinoan, Sturtian and perhaps another were long long ago as in 700 million years ago or more, so we have ot deal in generalizations. But it can work whne combined with other evidence.
Now back to more recent times,The Devonian had about 75 percent of the O2 levels, 2200 ppm or 8 times the preindustrial level, the men temperatures were around 6 degrees C above present day levels. Sea levels started out around 190 eters higher and fell to 120 meters higher during the Devonian. The carboniferous had a Oxygen level of around 160 percent higher than now - alomst 33 percent, and mean CO2 of around 800 ppm Temperature over the period was similar to present day, but fluctuated. Ocean levels were falling from 120 metersthen rising to 80 meters above present day.
THere is the setup. There were glaciation periods, some of which are believed, to have been partially started by carbon sequestration such as during the Carboniferous. This is th etime when most of the plants that made coal were living, and as they died, they sequestered the carbon portion of their material.
Okay. You cannot get a really clear picture of the energy retention effects of the atmosphere from that, and it is used mostly as test cases to see what likely happened. The interesting thing isa correlation can be made. Not proof, but that comes later.
As most know we can take samples from ice cores of atmospheric composition and isotopic composition, as well as inclusions that can tell us about events such as volcanic activity in the form od dust, Many proxies can be inferred atmospheric content temperature precipitation gas composition, even solar variability.
And as usual the further back you go, the more dating error, so a plus or minus must be assigned, in manner similar to carbon dating.
More correlation. also used as a check.
But we all know that correlation is not causation. And interestingly enough, some of the strongest evidence of causation comes from off planet earth. But before we take off for the stars, we need to understand the core concept.
The gaseous aspect surrounding a planet is of course known as it's atmosphere. And as humans have found out, the composition of that atmosphere has an effect upon it;s
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
According to Wikipedia, Bill Nye only has an engineering degree. And, according to a real scientist, Sheldon Cooper, means he is not a scientist.
Now it's controversial to be skeptical about what the weatherman says.
I've lived too long.
You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
"But Bristol is as much a virgin as I am"
Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
The case is currently being investigated. Bill Nye is not a lawyer so he's not likely to weigh in on the merits of the case. "Let's see what happens" seems like a reasonable response. Is it OK that Exxon spent millions on a campaign to mislead the public and investors about climate change - even when their own scientists were telling them that it is real, it is happening, and it represents a threat to the business and to society? I think it's morally repugnant, but whether or not it is illegal is up to the courts at this point.
I agree with Bill. Let's see what happens.
Hi. I heard there is intelligent life in /. Now I found it. I thought it was a myth.
Thanks for the response and the time you took to write it. I mean it. If you were here, I'd offer you a beer.
I know about Venus, it rains lead. I think the Russians sent a probe there. It was crushed. That's where we're headed by the way. No matter what we do, we will become Venus eventually.
I wanted to link to the actual 2013 report, however they took it down. No surprise there, they took a beating and had to do a lot of explain'. However there is a BBC story about it here - http://www.bbc.com/news/scienc... . What was indefensible was where they admit there was a pause, yet they were even more sure it was happening than before. That's a very strong indicator there's an agenda, facts be damned. That's basic statistics.. well let's call it what it is - fraud. I'm sure the IPCC has access to real statisticians and they should know the confidence must go down in that situation. Again, unless there's an agenda. Reminds me of a student that knows the outcome of an experiment and fudges numbers to get the correct result. Never mind his actual numbers. Yes, I can tell.
Jail bit - I guess you're not watching the news lately. I see the idea popping up here and there. Not just in the US, other countries like Germany.
http://www.washingtontimes.com...
http://worldnewsdailyreport.co...
well you get the idea, just google "jail global warming deniers" Of course simply questioning if CO2 is the cause wouldn't help you. They don't want any descent or discussion.
Now for the discussion. Things were warmer, very recently in geological time. We had settlements in Greenland, that are coming back into view due to the snow melting. They date to around 1500s (http://archive.archaeology.org/online/features/greenland/). Before our little ice age. If you look into Venice, you'll find that they were trying to keep out the Adriatic in the 14th century. So let's not be so quick to blame man, it was happening without him. What really gets me is when there is a period that they can't explain, they'll go to whatever they can to try to explain it. If we get an odd hurricane like Katrina or just about anything else happens (too cold, too hot, nothing happened, hurricane, etc) - it's MMGW. No, it's weather. Recently if you look at Mr. Hansen from Goddard Space Flight Center, he said in 2000 that the 1990s was the hottest decade in the 20th century. Then he had to admit it was really the 1930s. He blamed it on a y2k bug - yea, right. IMHO, it was a lie and he got caught.
So how do you explain these things? The 1930s being hotter than every other decade since up to 2000? How do you explain clear indications that prior to the 1600s it was warmer, much warmer? How do you explain with record levels of CO2, it's not a lot warmer to coincide with their predictions from the 2000 time period? You know the scientific method, I think. You come up with a hypothesis and then if something doesn't work out, you're wrong. They've been doing this for years, and there is still no indication they have it right yet. I'm starting to see where they're finally admitting other gases have a role in this. Before, nope - it's only CO2. Again, a clear indication of an agenda.
Having said that, I don't disagree that it's getting warmer. Maybe we can do something about it. Let's find what is really causing it to warm up and go from there. CO2 seems to be a good scape goat. Everyone produces it, let's tax it. As if that'll do anything more than make a few people very rich. It would go a long way towards their credibility if nobody could make money from the carbon tax. It must be spent on fixing it, not making Mr. Gore well beyond rich. It
When the opponents of the supposedly scientific theory you like are not merely wrong or even stupid, but are criminals, you immediately stop being a scientist even if you ever were one (and Mr. Nye was an engineer before becoming an entertainer). You become a totalitarian asshole...
So because scientists still don't quite understand gravity, I am free to take a large rock and let go of it from a bridge above your head? Because my theory of gravity differs from yours and you are a totalitarian asshole when you don't want to get killed by me?
I's a enjineer wit degreez just like Bill Nye so I is siyuntest two.
and i made videeyous two just like Bill Nye so I is ackter two.
My logic is that pots don't get to call kettles black. And that the loudest voices screaming about AGW are academics with nothing to lose for being wrong, activists/businesses with something to gain, or zealots with a new excuse for their socialist fantasies.
In isolation, yes. On a big wet planet with lots of sources, sinks, and feedback mechanisms...it's not clear how much. Because real science with real predictive power is hard, but soundbytes and slogans are easy.
Now it's controversial to be skeptical about what the weatherman says.
I've lived too long.
Absolutely not - especially since many prominent "sceptics" are weathermen.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
Saying this as a conservative.... Why does anyone give a shit what she says, other than we all like to watch train wreaks, witness the Trump media storm. She's a total embarrassment to the right wing.
So, if Slashdot is going to post this crap, they should give equal time to "Reverend" Al. Both sides have their idiots.
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The news-bit about Mr. Nye's call to prosecute "deniers" was submitted to Slashdot yesterday, but did not make it. He was quoted as:
When the opponents of the supposedly scientific theory you like are not merely wrong or even stupid, but are criminals, you immediately stop being a scientist even if you ever were one (and Mr. Nye was an engineer before becoming an entertainer). You become a totalitarian asshole...
If Governor Palin is wrong, it is was when she compares herself to him.
Based on the quote allegedly from Bill Nye...he is not calling for prosecution of deniers, but stating he can understand why others are investigating the reason the deniers are saying what they do, as well as discussing in other venues,. Of course, actual facts (and understanding of the English language) often are not convenient to those who aren't in the same league as Palin.
so you not only cherry pick data, but you also cherry pick quotes, ie, quote mine, in order to inaccurately portray someone's words. hardly surprising.
He isn't talking about private citizens, random ignorant cranks ont he internet (such as yourself).
He's calling Exxon one...because Exxon admitted to knowing about global warming years ago, yet continued to fund and sow doubt for all that time.
It's not totalitarianism, it's simple justice: they knew its bad, admitted as much in private, yet continued to act otherwise in public and even try to convince the public that the science was wrong.
Tobacco did the same thing. The lead industry. Several others.
This isn't a new phenomenon, and neither is the idea that it's criminal negligence.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
Engineering, where the noble semi-skilled laborers execute the vision of those who think and dream. Hello umpa lumpas of science. --Sheldon Cooper, Big Bang Theory
She's right...and Bill is also like you in another way, Sarah...you're both media and attention whores.
Does anyone really give a crap what Sarah Palin says about anything?
In isolation, yes. On a big wet planet with lots of sources, sinks, and feedback mechanisms...it's not clear how much. Because real science with real predictive power is hard, but soundbytes and slogans are easy.
We know the sources outweigh the sinks. We know the system is accumulating energy, and we know roughly how much. The scientific consensus is driven by a convergenece of real science: changes in ocean chemistry, satellite radiance measurements, CO2 measures, thermometers, bouys, and, of course, simulations. We'd be fools not to devote a ton of effort to simulations. You want to know exactly how the weather in Des Moines will look in the afternoon 10 years from Tuesday? That's an interesting question, but not a good critique of the main conclusion. Seems like the soundbytes comes from your side. "AGW is a religion." Yeah? How so? "I'm more of a scientist thabn he is?" Really? 'Cause she sure *seems* like an bloviating gadfly.