Correct. People don't realize how fuel EFFICIENT shipping really is. At "Slow" speeds (18 knots) where more than 1/2 the worlds cargo ships run, and figuring a 9000-10000 TEU ship (aka holds 9000-10000 20 ft containers, 1/2 that if all 40Ft boxes) - the ship will typically burn 100 Tons of fuel/day - or 1/100th of a ton of fuel per container/day, and roughly (because bunker C - the 'crap they burn' - Now there are roughly depending on exact fuel 250-280 gallons/ton of fuel - so it takes about 1/4 gallon of fuel per DAY to move each one of those containers. But the joke? Go to the online shipping calculators - China to west coast USA (where it will get put on a train) - 15 days, NOT 15. So you are talking roughly 3.75 gallons of fuel to move that container of tee-shirts from China to the US - that's the container, all the goods etc.
Work the math. You probably burn more fuel per shirt driving to the store, picking up the shirt, and driving home than shipping it from China takes. Remember - ships float, and take surprisingly little fuel per ton to move freight. It is why canals were such a big deal back when - a full barge of coal or gravel or whatever could be moved by ONE horse.
still waiting for the super efficient hydrofoil container ships from the cover of Popular Science circa 1964.
The next logical step should make the outsourcer's blood run cold. That is, individuals gain access to the cheap container shipping.
What do they plan to do when a typical consumer figures out how to go direct and get a new wardrobe for $20? Right nbow, you can order from China but the shipping costs more than the goods you have shipped. That's the real reason U.S. corporations are going crazy over trademarks and clones. They know the day is coming when we can get the same thing they're selling for pennies on the dollar. Right now they're in an elaborate scheme that boils down to rent (in the economic sense, not leasing though they do that too).
the ultimate end game, as various SF authors have grasped, is that information is a lot cheaper to ship than stuff, so at some point you'll just 3d print or whatever everything yourself from the plans you buy over the net. there will be lots of attempts at copy protection or whatever but in the end the same thing will happen that happened to the music biz. then God knows what the economy will look like. the o[nly industries will be building 3d printers or cnc machining or whatever or making the raw materials for them.
You mean with the shipping charge built in. Still a decent deal often enough.
A lot of this stuff is like a dollar, though. If you're getting ten terminal strips for a buck and it has to get shipped... how is anyone making anything on that?
a few years back, i noticed that all the paper clips in the store were made in China, no matter what brand, and all the staples were made domestically, no matter what brand (or maybe the other way around, I don't remember). Anyway, I could not figure how the difference in manufacturing and shipping costs between those two items could possibly cause that to be the case.
Seriously. We are currently in a state of half-a**ed implementation of containerization anyway. Checked bags must be "62 inch" bags (height, width, and depth adding to no more than 62") or they become "over-size" and subject to huge fees. According lots of people travel with bags that fit an almost standard set of dimensions: 27" x 21" x 14"; carry-ons are limited to being "45 inch bags" (22" x 14" x 9"). And unless you want all your belongings to be crushed beyond recognition it had better be a hard case, or have a rigid frame.
Going will full containerization of airline luggage, with standard bag units, properly spec'd and designed, all of them rigid sided, would permit highly automated baggage handling, efficient design and loading of baggage holds, and freedom from abusive baggage handlers.
would increase the incidence of some doofus accidentally walking off with your bag though. or vice versa.
if you live near a port, even a small one, you see containers piling up (literally) in parking lots and empty property, because so many come in and so few leave. it's been suggested often that we use them for housing the homeless or whatever but the reply is always that they're unsuitable for various reasons
so, why not either enhance them, or have some standard procedure for enhancing them to make them usable for structures.
thinking outside the box: figure out a way to make a ship or raft or barge or something out of empty containers so we can ship them back cheaper than they can make them!
Ii assume these are made in China from Chinese steel?
But quite possibly no less cost, time, energy or carbon.
It can take more energy/cost/etc to ship something inefficiently within your local state/county/etc than to get it shipped efficiently from China.
Rgds
Damon
Buying little cheap electronics stuff from ebay it amazes me that they can mail me something for $3 and get it here in 3 days, better than domestic mail.
For $15, approximately, (certainly for less than the cost of the Dongle, the RaspPi, and the amplifier) you can get something like a Model T spark coil (aka ignition coil, trembler coil, etc) and a battery and generate enough RF noise to swamp anything in the vicinity.
For extra fun, google pocket tesla coil or portable tesla coil.
model t spark coils are expensive these days, particularly if they come with any sort of guarantee of functionality.
Have any of you gone to a hardware or home improvement store? Lowe's or Home Depot? Do you recall the goofy names given to paint? There's your answer: CSS color names = paint color names!
Next time you go, check out what the different paint manufacturers do with those color names....
Of course, they tell you that if you want more than one container of a specific defined color you probably would do well to mix the various containers together because even two batches spat out consecutively by their automated tinting machine won't be exactly the same. As you may also find if you have occasion to have some portion of your automobile repainted with the exact same color defined by the manufacturer, only to see that it is distinctly different. And not because the original has weathered, that's another issue.
Because "slightlydarksalmon", "mauvelikepeach" or "bananawithahintofcinnamon" is soooo much more easy to understand then a bunch of hexadecimal numbers... And then they have the gall of accusing _us_ of talking an obscure lingo:-(
how about shartreuse? and no, I didn't typo or misspell.
I'm not even sure that the incremental replacement method would "work".
Defining what we mean by "it worked" when it comes to something judged by subjective experience only is very squishy on whether it really worked, or you just think it worked.
Since we can't even define consciousness well yet, and good luck on The Hard Problem, I'd instead say it doesn't look hopeful, but the jury is still out.
Indeed. just because you kill the original while you create a clone who thinks he's the original, doesn't make the clone the original. doesn't matter if you kill the original as part of the process, or afterwards. Or even prior. Nor does the clone thinking he's the original even mean that the clone has to resemble the original to any particular degree
Imagine a fax machine which shreds the original. That's not teleporting the document. And after a few dozen of these "teleports", it'd be pretty clear that this is not the original.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
If you upload my brain, it still won't be me even if it's a perfect replica that behaves just like me; it'll be a copy of me, that thinks it's me. That doesn't make me feel any better about me dying. "Don't kill me!" "It's OK, we'll clone you first" "Oh, then go ahead" that being the case why the hell should I involve myself? If i wanted to make a copy of another human being, the first person I choose wouldn't be me.
Only dogs have co-evolved with humans for 25000 years, they are the only species that "understand" humans. They will look where you look. They will look at the object you point to, not at your pointing finger. They are the symbiotic species, friends for humans, set us towards the path of sedentism and later domestication of other plants and animals. Nomadic bands of pre-dog humans kept killing each other. Without dogs acting as early warning systems, humans could never have developed sedentism, even when the fertile lands where hunting and gathering was good.
All other animals are either domesticated or feral animals conditioned by food reward. They are merely pets.
Ogdan Nash put it perfectly. Outside of dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of dog, it is too dark to read.
they're just setting us up. once we grow complacent and soft, they will take away our guns.
I might be interested when it also glows in the dark. A tiny little glow pig would be awesome. This should be feasible at current levels of technology. Get to it!
make them hollow, and eat spare change. then poop it out when you shake them.
Well hell, you learn something new every day. I never thought of parasites as a disease before now. Hell, I didn't think zoonotic was even a real word. My spell checker hates it.
Ethics and morality are only vague concepts that China redefines for profit on an hourly basis
LOL, you're giving them too much credit. I'm sure it's more like 'anything we can get stupid round-eyes to buy from us for too much money is all to the good'. Wouldn't at all be surprised if they also have a genetically-engineered disease that's communicable to humans and will kill us all, or make us sterile, or something else grossly injurious to us. Don't forget the baby milk with the melanin in it, the poisonous pet food, and the acidic toxic-as-fuck drywall that makes you sick as it tries to dissolve your entire house. The goram Chinese don't give a flying fuck about us stupid round-eyes, they'd just as soon we all fucked off and died, so they could swoop in and take our land and our property.
and we keep buying from the lowest bidder, carefully constructing our contracts so that if the supplier delivers us vitamins that kill people, it's not our liability, it's entirely theirs.
I guess the only solution is then to flush the pig down the toilet, thereby breeding with flushed crocodiles and creating the mythical CrocPig genetically modified superanimal, in miniature version.
they've already washed out to sea where they're breeding with abalone, to create the dreaded crocabalone.
Specifically, they implied that they engineered it when it was found instead.
No, they created it, but while they did imply it was done through genetic manipulation it was actually done by messing with hormones. They also didn't tell investors that they were having trouble replicating it and that the lead scientist who created it was dying of cancer.
they washed an elephant and put in the dryer, to eliminate the wrinkles, and it shrunk.
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Correct. People don't realize how fuel EFFICIENT shipping really is. At "Slow" speeds (18 knots) where more than 1/2 the worlds cargo ships run, and figuring a 9000-10000 TEU ship (aka holds 9000-10000 20 ft containers, 1/2 that if all 40Ft boxes) - the ship will typically burn 100 Tons of fuel/day - or 1/100th of a ton of fuel per container/day, and roughly (because bunker C - the 'crap they burn' - Now there are roughly depending on exact fuel 250-280 gallons/ton of fuel - so it takes about 1/4 gallon of fuel per DAY to move each one of those containers. But the joke? Go to the online shipping calculators - China to west coast USA (where it will get put on a train) - 15 days, NOT 15. So you are talking roughly 3.75 gallons of fuel to move that container of tee-shirts from China to the US - that's the container, all the goods etc. Work the math. You probably burn more fuel per shirt driving to the store, picking up the shirt, and driving home than shipping it from China takes. Remember - ships float, and take surprisingly little fuel per ton to move freight. It is why canals were such a big deal back when - a full barge of coal or gravel or whatever could be moved by ONE horse.
still waiting for the super efficient hydrofoil container ships from the cover of Popular Science circa 1964.
The next logical step should make the outsourcer's blood run cold. That is, individuals gain access to the cheap container shipping.
What do they plan to do when a typical consumer figures out how to go direct and get a new wardrobe for $20? Right nbow, you can order from China but the shipping costs more than the goods you have shipped. That's the real reason U.S. corporations are going crazy over trademarks and clones. They know the day is coming when we can get the same thing they're selling for pennies on the dollar. Right now they're in an elaborate scheme that boils down to rent (in the economic sense, not leasing though they do that too).
the ultimate end game, as various SF authors have grasped, is that information is a lot cheaper to ship than stuff, so at some point you'll just 3d print or whatever everything yourself from the plans you buy over the net. there will be lots of attempts at copy protection or whatever but in the end the same thing will happen that happened to the music biz. then God knows what the economy will look like. the o[nly industries will be building 3d printers or cnc machining or whatever or making the raw materials for them.
You mean with the shipping charge built in. Still a decent deal often enough.
A lot of this stuff is like a dollar, though. If you're getting ten terminal strips for a buck and it has to get shipped... how is anyone making anything on that?
a few years back, i noticed that all the paper clips in the store were made in China, no matter what brand, and all the staples were made domestically, no matter what brand (or maybe the other way around, I don't remember). Anyway, I could not figure how the difference in manufacturing and shipping costs between those two items could possibly cause that to be the case.
Seriously. We are currently in a state of half-a**ed implementation of containerization anyway. Checked bags must be "62 inch" bags (height, width, and depth adding to no more than 62") or they become "over-size" and subject to huge fees. According lots of people travel with bags that fit an almost standard set of dimensions: 27" x 21" x 14"; carry-ons are limited to being "45 inch bags" (22" x 14" x 9"). And unless you want all your belongings to be crushed beyond recognition it had better be a hard case, or have a rigid frame.
Going will full containerization of airline luggage, with standard bag units, properly spec'd and designed, all of them rigid sided, would permit highly automated baggage handling, efficient design and loading of baggage holds, and freedom from abusive baggage handlers.
would increase the incidence of some doofus accidentally walking off with your bag though. or vice versa.
if you live near a port, even a small one, you see containers piling up (literally) in parking lots and empty property, because so many come in and so few leave. it's been suggested often that we use them for housing the homeless or whatever but the reply is always that they're unsuitable for various reasons
so, why not either enhance them, or have some standard procedure for enhancing them to make them usable for structures.
thinking outside the box: figure out a way to make a ship or raft or barge or something out of empty containers so we can ship them back cheaper than they can make them!
Ii assume these are made in China from Chinese steel?
But quite possibly no less cost, time, energy or carbon.
It can take more energy/cost/etc to ship something inefficiently within your local state/county/etc than to get it shipped efficiently from China.
Rgds
Damon
Buying little cheap electronics stuff from ebay it amazes me that they can mail me something for $3 and get it here in 3 days, better than domestic mail.
There is an epidemic of prison visitors in the US sneaking in cell phones inside condoms jammed up the visitors' rectums.
Hope that's flip phones and not phablets.
"Uh, excuse me warden, my butt is getting a text"
For $15, approximately, (certainly for less than the cost of the Dongle, the RaspPi, and the amplifier) you can get something like a Model T spark coil (aka ignition coil, trembler coil, etc) and a battery and generate enough RF noise to swamp anything in the vicinity.
For extra fun, google pocket tesla coil or portable tesla coil.
model t spark coils are expensive these days, particularly if they come with any sort of guarantee of functionality.
I suppose walking about with a dongle sized piece of hardware is a bit more subtle than toting around a microwave attached to a backpack. :D
if you get caught walking around with your dongle sized piece of hardware, you could end up on the sex offender list.
i bet i could do it with a lamp somebody threw away because the cord sparks like crazy where it attaches to the plug.
Have any of you gone to a hardware or home improvement store? Lowe's or Home Depot? Do you recall the goofy names given to paint? There's your answer: CSS color names = paint color names!
Next time you go, check out what the different paint manufacturers do with those color names....
Of course, they tell you that if you want more than one container of a specific defined color you probably would do well to mix the various containers together because even two batches spat out consecutively by their automated tinting machine won't be exactly the same. As you may also find if you have occasion to have some portion of your automobile repainted with the exact same color defined by the manufacturer, only to see that it is distinctly different. And not because the original has weathered, that's another issue.
Because "slightlydarksalmon", "mauvelikepeach" or "bananawithahintofcinnamon" is soooo much more easy to understand then a bunch of hexadecimal numbers... And then they have the gall of accusing _us_ of talking an obscure lingo :-(
how about shartreuse? and no, I didn't typo or misspell.
I mostly agree, but will mumble a bit.
I'm not even sure that the incremental replacement method would "work".
Defining what we mean by "it worked" when it comes to something judged by subjective experience only is very squishy on whether it really worked, or you just think it worked.
Since we can't even define consciousness well yet, and good luck on The Hard Problem, I'd instead say it doesn't look hopeful, but the jury is still out.
Indeed. just because you kill the original while you create a clone who thinks he's the original, doesn't make the clone the original. doesn't matter if you kill the original as part of the process, or afterwards. Or even prior. Nor does the clone thinking he's the original even mean that the clone has to resemble the original to any particular degree
Imagine a fax machine which shreds the original. That's not teleporting the document. And after a few dozen of these "teleports", it'd be pretty clear that this is not the original.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
If you upload my brain, it still won't be me even if it's a perfect replica that behaves just like me; it'll be a copy of me, that thinks it's me. That doesn't make me feel any better about me dying.
"Don't kill me!"
"It's OK, we'll clone you first"
"Oh, then go ahead"
that being the case why the hell should I involve myself? If i wanted to make a copy of another human being, the first person I choose wouldn't be me.
they got no pockets. can't carry keys, spare change, random hardware parts, firearms...
The one with the highest profit margin.
A wooden stick works well in many places around the world.
Poostick.
Only dogs have co-evolved with humans for 25000 years, they are the only species that "understand" humans. They will look where you look. They will look at the object you point to, not at your pointing finger. They are the symbiotic species, friends for humans, set us towards the path of sedentism and later domestication of other plants and animals. Nomadic bands of pre-dog humans kept killing each other. Without dogs acting as early warning systems, humans could never have developed sedentism, even when the fertile lands where hunting and gathering was good.
All other animals are either domesticated or feral animals conditioned by food reward. They are merely pets.
Ogdan Nash put it perfectly. Outside of dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of dog, it is too dark to read.
they're just setting us up. once we grow complacent and soft, they will take away our guns.
I might be interested when it also glows in the dark. A tiny little glow pig would be awesome. This should be feasible at current levels of technology. Get to it!
make them hollow, and eat spare change. then poop it out when you shake them.
Well hell, you learn something new every day. I never thought of parasites as a disease before now. Hell, I didn't think zoonotic was even a real word. My spell checker hates it.
awesome name for a band though.
I woukd rather starve than eat my pets.
If it came to that, you would starve to death, THEN your neighbors would eat your pet.
Consider this, I am sure your pet would rather die to feed you instead of feeding your neighbors.
you forgot the intermediate step, where your pets eat your starved body before your neighbors break in and grill them.
Ethics and morality are only vague concepts that China redefines for profit on an hourly basis
LOL, you're giving them too much credit. I'm sure it's more like 'anything we can get stupid round-eyes to buy from us for too much money is all to the good'. Wouldn't at all be surprised if they also have a genetically-engineered disease that's communicable to humans and will kill us all, or make us sterile, or something else grossly injurious to us. Don't forget the baby milk with the melanin in it, the poisonous pet food, and the acidic toxic-as-fuck drywall that makes you sick as it tries to dissolve your entire house. The goram Chinese don't give a flying fuck about us stupid round-eyes, they'd just as soon we all fucked off and died, so they could swoop in and take our land and our property.
and we keep buying from the lowest bidder, carefully constructing our contracts so that if the supplier delivers us vitamins that kill people, it's not our liability, it's entirely theirs.
I guess the only solution is then to flush the pig down the toilet, thereby breeding with flushed crocodiles and creating the mythical CrocPig genetically modified superanimal, in miniature version.
they've already washed out to sea where they're breeding with abalone, to create the dreaded crocabalone.
Micro piglets stalk your dungeon
Stars awale you when you rise
Specifically, they implied that they engineered it when it was found instead.
No, they created it, but while they did imply it was done through genetic manipulation it was actually done by messing with hormones. They also didn't tell investors that they were having trouble replicating it and that the lead scientist who created it was dying of cancer.
they washed an elephant and put in the dryer, to eliminate the wrinkles, and it shrunk.
Topical? Wot, like some kind of oinkment?
No, silly. From Kansas.