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My argument was never that I'm breaking the law a little. I blatantly called myself a thief! I don't need an excuse. Only losers with moral qualms need excuses.
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Oh sorry. Next time I will try and appeal to your superior intellect and moral character.
So not only is he morally "better than you", he also appears to be considerably more intelligent.
Oh so you don't agree with my argument so you brow beat me with accusations of lower intellect? Exactly how did you determine my intellect? From my argument?
You sound like the typical college genius "Research Associate" sipping capaccinos, plucking the harp, while wild dreams of a possible euphoric future dance around in your mind. You suffer from the disease of genius.. you think everyone else is an idiot.
Don't lecture me about Kant's categorical imperative. The question is not whether _my_ actions could be universalized but whether one could universalize the original posters actions by downloading rare songs that he deemed "hard to find". Now imagine if everyone acted on this same belief, with the same maxim. Would everyone be morally justified? How do you think the artists would react? What about the record companies? Is not everyone included in Kant's categorical imperative? Would society be served? When you act for _yourself_ you are not serving society as Kant was trying to point out.
You're entitled to put whatever you like in your mind, but unless you are able to present a coherent argument, you will not be taken very seriously.
And unless you can support an argument without personal (although slighted) attacks on one's intelligence I advise you to stick to research on geometrically finite hyperbolic groups, hiding in your whole away from the harsh reality of life and the general public. Not everyone in this world is going to be wowed by your intelligence and not everyone you deem "stupid" will turn out so.
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Oh no I got the point coward. I just don't think the RIAA or anyone else gives two shits what the reason is. Because you think you have ethics on your side doesn't mean jack diddly in the real world.
At least twice I've had online CD companies take my order, then cancel it 3 weeks later when they couldn't fullfil it (trying to order Velvet Acid Christ's "Fun With Razors" being one of those times -- it includes some stuff that's not on the generally available "Fun With Knives").
Oh so because you've had companies take your order then cancel it now justifies downloading the songs right? And you're somehow better than other users how? Is there some downloader board of ethics that can weigh this question? Or is it all in your mind? You are right and others are wrong? Right and wrong are all relative. In your mind you think it was ok. In my mind you are just like me, a thief. Spin it however you want if it helps you sleep at night.
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Or do you mean I should pay 45 bucks for a 3-CD collection that has one song I don't have yet. How about early or less popular tracks that only exist on LPs?
I don't think the RIAA would care to be honest. They want you to purchase the 3-CD set. They want you to purchase the LP. They don't want you to download the song from napster and the states consider it illegal.
But I can see your point. That is exactly why record companies need to come up with a way to download all of the individual songs you want and recognize the medium as a viable form of distribution. I think people want to be honest given the chance and most will pay for their legit copy. We don't want to hurt the musician but we want our music now and in digital format. That's what napster provided (in some form) and I think they need to learn from that.
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What specific album/track could you not find a hard copy of? I find it hard to believe that a song existed on napster yet you could not obtain a physical copy.
And I think those who download music should consider that because they can do something, it doesn't necessarily mean that they should.
Oh you mean people like you? I used Napster a handful of times too, but only when I was looking for a specific song off a hard-to-find album.
It's funny that you think they are different. Since you like hyperbole so much (is the sort of logic that puts petty thieves away for life under three-strikes laws) I would compare your actions to a thief that breaks in to get food. Breaking the law is breaking the law. Don't like the laws? Complain to your congressmen.
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So you only stole files a few times? Hey I only beat a few people up so I'm clean like you..
The other sick depraved bastards stealing music from the mouths of those poor music industry blue-collar types. Not us though, me and you are the last of our type.
Troll? Goddam right you self righteous boobs. I love to poke and prod. Behold my karma to burn. I will use it at will to flame and prod and poke and laugh. Take yourself seriously because _you_ are a serious person! How dare someone question your intelligence or decision making skills! Don't they know who you are?
GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK. You are not a shining star. You are a lemming and so am I.
You must be new to slashdot. Of course the mandatory MS slam is necessary in every post, regardless of the topic. I mean they are the cause of _every_ problem known to man.
Besides, what else is going to drive geeks to click those ad banners? We need anti-MS hype, not facts!
How dare you use rational thought on this forum! May you be banned for eternal life to the pits of heck!;-)
Yes 3 years since the first beta release and MS has lost the game? Funny because I look around and see.Net projects popping up all over the place. I come from a Java background and still love Java and still use it when it fits the problem. But I also love.Net and everything it offers on the win32 platform. I think there are thousands of developers like me that would agree..Net is here to stay and is has nothing to do with "simply marketing" or "clueless managers". It has to do with.Net simply being an easier way to develop on the target platform of 75% of the computing market.
Yes god forbid that Joe Sixpack install a piece of software on his on computer. My sun might not rise tomorrow if he gets his work torn hands on my precious! He wants to steal my precious yes he does! My precious....
I'm not really worried about the nick name or name of the project, which will obviously change over time and budgets (senior citizen was another name supposedly used). But regardless of that there seems to be credible evidence supporting the fact of a hypersonic aircraft in use today. Whether it will be acknowledged ever remains to be seen. But a hypersonic spy aircraft would be quite useful and could replace the now defunct SR-71 program.
The US government (and every other government in the world for that matter) has always ruled by fear. In the Machiavellian world of International politics polite words and kind manners get you an inch. But back it up with power and you'll get a mile. Sad? Hell yes. Very sad. True? Beyond a doubt. This is taught to every political/ruling class around the world. Walk softly, carry a big stick and you will get your way, regardless or right or wrong (which is apparently all relative when viewed through the shaded frames of the ruling class(es)).
I wish we could change the world like you say but I feat that the world is filled with angry, hateful, envious people who don't want you to have anything. So who is going to protect you? We end up resorting to this Neo-tribalism called nationalism/patriotism for protection from the ultimate thugs coming to shake us down - other politicians. I fear that it does not matter what road we take, we will always be ruled by the "super-citizens" who seek power over others.
Laugh all you want but the fact that the US government keeps secrets is not a secret. I doubt they have alien technology but I do wear a tinfoil hat and you should too!
It seems hilarious until they fly over you naked! Yes they will be naked! You heard it here.
I should hope it has built hypersonic aircraft. Otherwise there's been a huge conspiracy to mislead the public, and that concorde thing must be a hoax too.
Hypersonic is five times the speed of sound. The Concorde is supersonic only. Although the x-15 has been acknowledged as a hypersonic test platform it was: A. A rocket B. A test aircraft flown by NASA
To date there are no known flying hypersonic aircraft. Although there are a few test platforms for various airframes and engines (ramjets, wedge shapes, waveriders, etc) I know of no flying hypersonic aircraft that is public.
The article didn't mention what specific workstation tools they were using to model or develop the animation. I assume that these are home-grown tools but any chance that they will release that software?
You forgot the most important feature of XP = security. XP is based on the NT kernel and hence has the same security features, a huge step beyond the 9x kernels. Not too mention the improved multi-process handling improvements.
Geez that is so true. It's sad really. All of our advancements in computing and we still have to wait around. And the Apple II never had a problem with me simply hitting the power switch. Nowadays I have to ask permission in writing before I can reboot!
It was in the 80s so he didn't have slashdot. Argh the madness that he must have felt! How could the coders of The Forgotten Land (tm) (aka the 80s) ever survived without the incessant noise of the Internet is beyond me.
Perhaps we should destroy their computers? Or maybe we should just cane them multiple times until their asses say uncle. Bloody file swappers need to be taught a lesson. And we are the ones that shall teach them. Onward christian.... I mean RIAA soldiers!!!
Sing along like bilbo baggins®:
Together we will overcome the evil-doers Hiding in their parents basement We come for you Come for you
We want our nickles bitch We want our nickles bitch
Trading our music without our cut How dare you want to own something Behold the bringer of light.. Rosenbilderberg She shall part the red sea of muzak and lead us to freedom... From ourselves.
We want our nickles bitch We want our nickles bitch
I would not be totally surprised if we opened the door to see Rosenbilderberg sitting on top of a pile of gold counting every single shekel muttering about her precious.
I'm not Luddite by any means; I fully welcome every new technology that comes around.
But the true wonder is why we have to question our questions. If one questions a technology of any sort does one always have to qualify his/her statements with "I'm not a Luddite". Although funny at first this is disturbing. If I question whether I should own a cell-phone do I become a bad person? If I merely ponder out loud the need for a quad-dammageccino-spresso maker in my kitchen I become the target of riducule and mockery? What happens when I go further and reject technology? I get ridiculed for being a luddite.
Shouldn't we all question our actions and wonder whether any of our gadgetry actually serves us? Or do we serve it?
But I wonder if our descendants will merely plug themselves into a fantasy world that for all purposes, is real...and what kind of person would be able to resist it and continue advancement in the real world.
I've seen crack addicts first hand give away all/most of their posessions and ruin their lives just to get a blast. I've seen heroin addicts destroy their lives just to get another fix. A virtual world with endless possibilities will make these seem tame and trivial.
Expecting a 10 year-old to pick up C++ and start working on the next Doom is ridicuous. Kids want something that is simple, easy to understand, and allows them to create fun applications. They don't want to get mired in the arcitecture and process and years of time neccessary to write a modern commerical application
http://turtletracks.sourceforge.net/
Or any other Logo implementation might do fine for young ones. Nice and easy way to teach logic.
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My argument was never that I'm breaking the law a little. I blatantly called myself a thief! I don't need an excuse. Only losers with moral qualms need excuses.
Oh sorry. Next time I will try and appeal to your superior intellect and moral character.
So not only is he morally "better than you", he also appears to be considerably more intelligent.
Oh so you don't agree with my argument so you brow beat me with accusations of lower intellect? Exactly how did you determine my intellect? From my argument?
You sound like the typical college genius "Research Associate" sipping capaccinos, plucking the harp, while wild dreams of a possible euphoric future dance around in your mind. You suffer from the disease of genius.. you think everyone else is an idiot.
Don't lecture me about Kant's categorical imperative. The question is not whether _my_ actions could be universalized but whether one could universalize the original posters actions by downloading rare songs that he deemed "hard to find". Now imagine if everyone acted on this same belief, with the same maxim. Would everyone be morally justified? How do you think the artists would react? What about the record companies? Is not everyone included in Kant's categorical imperative? Would society be served? When you act for _yourself_ you are not serving society as Kant was trying to point out.
You're entitled to put whatever you like in your mind, but unless you are able to present a coherent argument, you will not be taken very seriously.
And unless you can support an argument without personal (although slighted) attacks on one's intelligence I advise you to stick to research on geometrically finite hyperbolic groups, hiding in your whole away from the harsh reality of life and the general public. Not everyone in this world is going to be wowed by your intelligence and not everyone you deem "stupid" will turn out so.
Oh no I got the point coward. I just don't think the RIAA or anyone else gives two shits what the reason is. Because you think you have ethics on your side doesn't mean jack diddly in the real world.
At least twice I've had online CD companies take my order, then cancel it 3 weeks later when they couldn't fullfil it (trying to order Velvet Acid Christ's "Fun With Razors" being one of those times -- it includes some stuff that's not on the generally available "Fun With Knives").
Oh so because you've had companies take your order then cancel it now justifies downloading the songs right? And you're somehow better than other users how? Is there some downloader board of ethics that can weigh this question? Or is it all in your mind? You are right and others are wrong? Right and wrong are all relative. In your mind you think it was ok. In my mind you are just like me, a thief. Spin it however you want if it helps you sleep at night.
Or do you mean I should pay 45 bucks for a 3-CD collection that has one song I don't have yet. How about early or less popular tracks that only exist on LPs?
I don't think the RIAA would care to be honest. They want you to purchase the 3-CD set. They want you to purchase the LP. They don't want you to download the song from napster and the states consider it illegal.
But I can see your point. That is exactly why record companies need to come up with a way to download all of the individual songs you want and
recognize the medium as a viable form of distribution. I think people want to be honest given the chance and most will pay for their legit copy. We don't want to hurt the musician but we want our music now and in digital format. That's what napster provided (in some form) and I think they need to learn from that.
What specific album/track could you not find a hard copy of? I find it hard to believe that a song existed on napster yet you could not obtain a physical copy.
And I think those who download music should consider that because they can do something, it doesn't necessarily mean that they should.
Oh you mean people like you?
I used Napster a handful of times too, but only when I was looking for a specific song off a hard-to-find album.
It's funny that you think they are different. Since you like hyperbole so much (is the sort of logic that puts petty thieves away for life under three-strikes laws) I would compare your actions to a thief that breaks in to get food. Breaking the law is breaking the law. Don't like the laws? Complain to your congressmen.
So you only stole files a few times? Hey I only beat a few people up so I'm clean like you..
The other sick depraved bastards stealing music from the mouths of those poor music industry blue-collar types. Not us though, me and you are the last of our type.
.. nobody can take a joke these days.
Troll? Goddam right you self righteous boobs. I love to poke and prod. Behold my karma to burn. I will use it at will to flame and prod and poke and laugh. Take yourself seriously because _you_ are a serious person! How dare someone question your intelligence or decision making skills! Don't they know who you are?
GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK. You are not a shining star. You are a lemming and so am I.
Third, was the comment necessary?
You must be new to slashdot. Of course the mandatory MS slam is necessary in every post, regardless of the topic. I mean they are the cause of _every_ problem known to man.
Besides, what else is going to drive geeks to click those ad banners? We need anti-MS hype, not facts!
How dare you use rational thought on this forum! May you be banned for eternal life to the pits of heck! ;-)
.Net projects popping up all over the place. I come from a Java background and still love Java and still use it when it fits the problem. But I also love .Net and everything it offers on the win32 platform. I think there are thousands of developers like me that would agree. .Net is here to stay and is has nothing to do with "simply marketing" or "clueless managers". It has to do with .Net simply being an easier way to develop on the target platform of 75% of the computing market.
Yes 3 years since the first beta release and MS has lost the game? Funny because I look around and see
Yes god forbid that Joe Sixpack install a piece of software on his on computer. My sun might not rise tomorrow if he gets his work torn hands on my precious! He wants to steal my precious yes he does! My precious....
I'm not really worried about the nick name or name of the project, which will obviously change over time and budgets (senior citizen was another name supposedly used). But regardless of that there seems to be credible evidence supporting the fact of a hypersonic aircraft in use today. Whether it will be acknowledged ever remains to be seen. But a hypersonic spy aircraft would be quite useful and could replace the now defunct SR-71 program.
The US government (and every other government in the world for that matter) has always ruled by fear. In the Machiavellian world of International politics polite words and kind manners get you an inch. But back it up with power and you'll get a mile. Sad? Hell yes. Very sad. True? Beyond a doubt. This is taught to every political/ruling class around the world. Walk softly, carry a big stick and you will get your way, regardless or right or wrong (which is apparently all relative when viewed through the shaded frames of the ruling class(es)).
I wish we could change the world like you say but I feat that the world is filled with angry, hateful, envious people who don't want you to have anything. So who is going to protect you? We end up resorting to this Neo-tribalism called nationalism/patriotism for protection from the ultimate thugs coming to shake us down - other politicians. I fear that it does not matter what road we take, we will always be ruled by the "super-citizens" who seek power over others.
Laugh all you want but the fact that the US government keeps secrets is not a secret. I doubt they have alien technology but I do wear a tinfoil hat and you should too!
It seems hilarious until they fly over you naked! Yes they will be naked! You heard it here.
I should hope it has built hypersonic aircraft. Otherwise there's been a huge conspiracy to mislead the public, and that concorde thing must be a hoax too.
Hypersonic is five times the speed of sound. The Concorde is supersonic only. Although the x-15 has been acknowledged as a hypersonic test platform it was:
A. A rocket
B. A test aircraft flown by NASA
To date there are no known flying hypersonic aircraft. Although there are a few test platforms for various airframes and engines (ramjets, wedge shapes, waveriders, etc) I know of no flying hypersonic aircraft that is public.
One has to wonder whether the US will admit to it's already built hypersonic aircraft nicknamed Aurora.
Holy sh*t. I was totally unaware that Maya had a linux version. I guess I need to keep my head above the windows sand a little more.
The article didn't mention what specific workstation tools they were using to model or develop the animation. I assume that these are home-grown tools but any chance that they will release that software?
You forgot the most important feature of XP = security. XP is based on the NT kernel and hence has the same security features, a huge step beyond the 9x kernels. Not too mention the improved multi-process handling improvements.
Geez that is so true. It's sad really. All of our advancements in computing and we still have to wait around. And the Apple II never had a problem with me simply hitting the power switch. Nowadays I have to ask permission in writing before I can reboot!
It was in the 80s so he didn't have slashdot. Argh the madness that he must have felt! How could the coders of The Forgotten Land (tm) (aka the 80s) ever survived without the incessant noise of the Internet is beyond me.
The idea is to use eBay to find just how much a speedy commute is worth to drivers
Everyman Translation: How much MORE can they get from you to pay for all the things they _should_ have payed for already?
Perhaps we should destroy their computers? Or maybe we should just cane them multiple times until their asses say uncle. Bloody file swappers need to be taught a lesson. And we are the ones that shall teach them. Onward christian.... I mean RIAA soldiers!!!
Sing along like bilbo baggins®:
Together we will overcome the evil-doers
Hiding in their parents basement
We come for you
Come for you
We want our nickles bitch
We want our nickles bitch
Trading our music without our cut
How dare you want to own something
Behold the bringer of light.. Rosenbilderberg
She shall part the red sea of muzak and lead us to freedom... From ourselves.
We want our nickles bitch
We want our nickles bitch
I would not be totally surprised if we opened the door to see Rosenbilderberg sitting on top of a pile of gold counting every single shekel muttering about her precious.
I'm not Luddite by any means; I fully welcome every new technology that comes around.
But the true wonder is why we have to question our questions. If one questions a technology of any sort does one always have to qualify his/her statements with "I'm not a Luddite". Although funny at first this is disturbing. If I question whether I should own a cell-phone do I become a bad person? If I merely ponder out loud the need for a quad-dammageccino-spresso maker in my kitchen I become the target of riducule and mockery? What happens when I go further and reject technology? I get ridiculed for being a luddite.
Shouldn't we all question our actions and wonder whether any of our gadgetry actually serves us? Or do we serve it?
But I wonder if our descendants will merely plug themselves into a fantasy world that for all purposes, is real...and what kind of person would be able to resist it and continue advancement in the real world.
I've seen crack addicts first hand give away all/most of their posessions and ruin their lives just to get a blast. I've seen heroin addicts destroy their lives just to get another fix. A virtual world with endless possibilities will make these seem tame and trivial.
Google's PageRank was actually named after Larry Page, the creator of their system for ranking pages. Pun was obviously intended.
Expecting a 10 year-old to pick up C++ and start working on the next Doom is ridicuous. Kids want something that is simple, easy to understand, and allows them to create fun applications. They don't want to get mired in the arcitecture and process and years of time neccessary to write a modern commerical application
http://turtletracks.sourceforge.net/
Or any other Logo implementation might do fine for young ones. Nice and easy way to teach logic.