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Dreamworks, Sinbad & Linux
Ex-MislTech writes "Sinbad: Legend of the Seven Seas, an animated movie from DreamWorks Animation Technology that hits theaters July 2, is the first Hollywood production created entirely on Linux. More than 250 Hewlett-Packard workstations running Red Hat Linux make up the core of DreamWorks' graphics platform."
Once the ocean was "baked," animators could capture whatever segments they needed for a particular scene from whatever angles suited their purposes and then add landscape elements.
;)
Excellent, some major hydro must be growing under that water
I look forward to reading the article in a day or so, when it is no longer "slashdotted"
Animation is simple enough...
While this isn't something to snub your nose at, I'll really be impressed when a company such as Pixar starts using linux exclusively.
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When I saw "Sinbad" I was starting to think about the comic. No wonder it would take so many Linux servers to render the man. (Yes, he's funny - but man, I wouldn't want him sitting in my lap.)
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Why exactly is Linux being preferred here? Is it the OS or the apps that can run on Linux?
As a Micro$oft pimp, I am glad to hear that Linux is finally getting it's dues in the high visibility world. I hope I see the penguin somewhere in the credits.
"The biggest problems were the women and the water."
Isn't that the problem that most men have to deal with anyway?
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"And may your days be long upon the earth."
Strange, being a Linux user women are my biggest problem too.
Having the article /.'d I didn't get a chance to read it, however, I will say this is one movie I'm going to see just to support linux/open source
I guess he was okay in that Houseguest movie, but I think that was due mostly to the late great Phil Hartman.
The biggest question now is if a penguin will be in the credits.
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Wired slashdotted? You gotta be kidding me.
Sounds like you need broadband buddy.
I find it highly amusing that the only place I could find clips for this new movie was on WindowsMedia.com!
"Created using Linux, advertised by Microsoft."
Is this yet another crippling bombshell for the beleagured *BSD community?
Stay tuned for more info!
Red Hat is here to stay, this stuff is just good press for them.
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Short answer: No.
Since when has a Linux user honestly given a cr*p what anyone else thinks?
Rock on boys!
"Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival."
--Dr.W.Edwards Deming
I can't really imagine him as the voice in a cartoon.
Does this mean that he is moving into the kids movie realm now?
I know that he says that he rejected the following he got from wuss movies that he started in as beefcake type roles (Legends of the Fall and such).
Perhaps he is now rejecting the following he got from films like Seven and Fight Club.
Or maybe he just likes Linux.
There are some odd things afoot now, in the Villa Straylight.
Me thinks the Dreamworks team had a whole lot of wholesome fun while making the movie.
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Personally, I don't think they were referring to the rendering process here ! Use linux, and watch the chicks become a thing of the past , and the thought of water near your person makes you itch uncontrollably !
"I am not bound to please thee with my answers" [William Shakespeare]
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That makes about as much sense as putting a screen door on a submarine.
There's a Mercedes gap too. I want one and can't afford one, but it's not government's job to do anything about it.
one of the biggest copyright monsters in the world. Plus, no amount of free linux software is going to make disney movies worth watching or have any kind of quality. Pixar movies don't count, since all disney does is distribute the movie.
More proof that Linux users are a bunch of pirates
Karma: Chameleon (mostly affected when you come and go, you come and go)
"is the first Hollywood production created entirely on Linux. "
another thing I won't be able to watch with windows..
oh wait.
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The Road To El Dorrado had to face similar challenges with the water and gold (and it had the music of Elton John *swoon*). Gold also tends to be very hard to animate because of it's luster.
I just wasted your mod points! HA!
How is this news? We've already seen other movies made using Linux. For example, Titanic, Star Wars: Attack of the Clones, Jungle Book 2, Shrek, Enemy at the Gate, Pixar movies, etc...
Please Mr. Spielberg...
Pretty, pretty, please...
With sugar on top...
"Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival."
--Dr.W.Edwards Deming
- MPlayer crashed. This shouldn't happen.
It can be a bug in the MPlayer code _or_ in your drivers _or_ in your gcc
version. If you think it's MPlayer's fault, please read DOCS/bugreports.html
and follow the instructions there. We can't and won't help unless you provide
this information when reporting a possible bug.
(and, yes, that was a joke, folks...)
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There are better ways to do that, man.
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Its ok to give away sex, but as soon as you charge for it you are a criminal.
now I have to go put a kickstand on my horse.
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agreed
Well, Microsoft can easily match that. All they have to do is remake Derek Jarman's 'Blue'.
It's better than: WinXP, OS X, FeerBSD, Hurd, Slowlaris, WinNT, HP-UX, IRIX, Plan9, DOS and OS X.
Simple. There isn't something in the other oses that the linux folks haven't thought of and made reallity already.
Each hair isn't drawn individually. What they might have termed "strands" is really a clump that gets it's own outline, and has it's own controls.
If you look at the picture, 16 seems about right for the number of "clumps" of visible hair bundles with outlines. I imagine the CG animation on these is very intricate.
Fuck Beta. Fuck Dice
This makes me wonder how various open source licenses deal with non-software endproducts. Should they include requirements for crediting the software and its creators?
In other news:
"Making coffee proved a very difficult task for my Ford Explorer."
"Somehow" = "I shoot up smack and read /."
No wonder the film took four years to make !
Animator: Sorry love, we didn't quite capture that.. once more, but this time come closer.. we need to get an artistic feel
"I am not bound to please thee with my answers" [William Shakespeare]
...that "an entire Hollywood production was created on Linux", at least according to this
Hey, it's even the same company.
Prepare Linux Users, our plastic women will be realistic longer than we think!! To think, we've had these particle systems the whole time and never thought about giving them to our plastic women.
Ignore the "p2p is theft" trolls, they're just uninformed
Every month women have a problem with water retention, which means that their men have a problem with water retention.
If you ever get a date, you'll understand.
These always make me laugh. "How come the IBM Linux commercial is only on Windows Media not some open source codec that only we know about..."
It is not irony. There are two major reasons for this:
1. It is marketing. Most people still have windows and will until Linux wins out on the desktop for average users.
2. Avid or whatever they use for edting outputs in whatever the video format guy knows how to use. Most TV producers are not computer scientists and don't see the irony and/or don't care.
The article didn't mention what specific workstation tools they were using to model or develop the animation. I assume that these are home-grown tools but any chance that they will release that software?
If it were, a lot of couples would be in prison right now...
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ummm... it's Q: "why do programmers confuse halloween with christmas?"
A: "because OCT 31 == DEC 27!"
It's like sex, except I'm having it!
As Hollywood's dependence on Linux grows, it will at the same time be more difficult for them to attack the Linux community (for instance for introducing DVD functionality in Linux) without being considered hypocrites.
;) )
I can picture the following court case:
Prosecution (on behalf of the MPAA): Let us consider this "Linux community". As is widely known, many people among this community are hackers and potential terrorists with no regard for intellectual property whatsoever. For example, take the current SCO suit against..."
Defense (on behalf of some Linux-related project): Objection, Your Honor! The Open Source community is not on trial here!
Prosecution: I am merely describing the reputation of the Linux community to give an idea what kind of people we're dealing with.
Defense: But Linux enjoys a lot of appreciation and support among motion picture companies throughout Hollywood, which make extensive use of it themselvers!
Judge: Prosecution, is this true?
Prosecution: Well, uh, I don't know... Perhaps... But that's not the point!
Judge: It isn't? Then why did you bring it up in the first place?
Prosecution: Well... Um...
Defense: You honor, I think about now would be a good time to move towards the dismissal of this suit.
(Okay, so perhaps that last line is a little to optimistic, but you get the idea.
"Oooh, does that mean we get to kick some puffy white mad zionist butt?"
Dorkboy,
1. 11 Octal is 9 Decimal.
2. Veterans day is in November.
That comedian always had the zaniest things to say.
And his pants!
The article doesn't mention anything about Linux having any issue with his pants. Big, billowy pants - likely what inspired MC Hammer now that I think of it.
There are some odd things afoot now, in the Villa Straylight.
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If sinbad is doing movies now, who the hell is gonna
take his place for stand-up comedy?
Anyone who reads this is a bitch.
Have they created any patches? Have then released them?
If not, what have they contributed to linux (or GNU, or X or KDE or GNOME or...)? Anyone answering "credibility", please go on to explain how encouraging other studios to use linux farms without contributing back helps linux. Anyone thinking that this helps fund Red Hat, please quote where it says that they bought distros or support, rather than doing it in house.
Hearing about people using linux doesn't do anything for me. My mother could use it, but all that would accomplish would be to ensure that I spend all of my time doing tech support for her.
Linux needs contributors, not users.
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
Unfortunately due to random BSA raids, Frodo was found to be contravening the license terms and was subsequently locked up in DARK LORD POUND-ME-IN-THE-ASS DARK TOWER!
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DEC 25 perhaps?
Because everyone knowns that OCT 33 just doesn't make sense.
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"You hear a lot about Linux not being ready to work on desktops," said HP's Jeff Wood, director of product marketing for personal workstations. "Well, here we have the perfect example of how Linux is more than ready for the desktop -- hundreds of animators successfully used Linux to create a film right from their desktops."
Kind of brings a tear to your eye!
Get it right... OCT 31 == Dec 25
Maya now being available for Linux. Now I can't be sure that that is what they are running, but hell, if they're smart and getting great quality...
One would hope that this was intentional, for the "funny" factor.
Chirstmas in my neck of the woods is celebrated on the 25th of December.
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Fact: We deserve leaders who can kick your ass and field dress your carcass.
Anyone know if they use custom software or 3rd party stuff?
Unable to read configuration file '/bigassraid/htdig//conf/14229.conf'
Geocrawler error message.
If you're going to call blatent trolls dolts, you better point out ALL the errors.
And show your work.
I was in Colorado Springs and witnessed the events you are talking about. Your parallel between Tear Gas and Capitalists is revolting and ignorant, however I must admit that the tactics and excuse used by police for deploying tear gas were inexcusable. They said their intention was to disperse the crowd, yet they fired into the parking lot. This resulted in people running away from their cars. I did catch on film an instance of protestors (not at Palmer Park, but at Constitution) rushing into the street when one man ran into the street and gave police the finger. He was arrested and there were approx 35 people in the street yelling and chanting.
I wonder if Dreamworks will ever come up with some original concepts for their animated films.
A Bug's Life/Antz (Obvious.)
The Emperor's New Groove/Road to El Dorado (These were much closer originally, but changed quite drastically after rewrites on both sides).
Monster's Inc./Shrek (This is quite a stretch, but hey, green monsters star in both, heh.)
Treasure Planet/Sinbad (Hardy har har!)
Finding Nemo/Sharkslayer (Something smells fishy here.)
Obviously these movies aren't all complete ripoffs by any stretch of the imagination, but it is quite interesting that Dreamworks/PDI movies that closely follow the release of Disney/Pixar ones have similiar basic ideas behind them.
If its created on Linux I am supposed to go and see it? No way, Death to the Great Rodent Empire!
Kent
This is the beginning of high end graphics works on Linux and just watch out for the future. More than 250 Hewlett-Packard workstations running Red Hat Linux made up the core of DreamWorks' graphics platform. Shows how powerful individual systems can be used collectively to provide great performance options - graphics intensive computing. Linux provides a cost-effective way to put the fastest available computers in the hands of animators for thenm to proceed withease on rock-solid stable computing bedrock !
The funny part about that "joke" is the number of literal-minded anal-retentive geeks that feel the need to "correct" it, totally missing the meta-joke.
hint: The joke isn't about math, it's about geek personality disorders. It's like going to an obsessive compulsive's house and putting one of his pictures off kilter.
Yes, but Gandalf used open source-ery to get him out, thus preserving the sanctity of his little hobbit anus.
While it's nice that OOS is getting applied in such a high profile venue, I'm afraid "the first Hollywood production" is overstating the matter.
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It's been done; I recalled it being pretty big news for Linux enthusiasts at the time:
http://newsforge.com/newsforge/02/04/24/1643238
Well I guess this post will be modded out of existence, but I have to say I agree with the parent post. As a GNU/Linux user I hate to see this kind of trivial things posted again and again. Imagine seeing someone writing "Windows is used to create text documents!"
C'mon, this article sucks. Admit it.
Microsoft Attorney: Ahoy! We finally have a proven link between Linux and Pirates. Those open sourcers are up to no good, pillaging our market share! We'd like to take this moment to distinguish ourselves as corporate raiders and not pirates.
What do we want to buyout today?
Most TV producers are not computer scientists and don't see the irony and/or don't care.
Can you imagine how awful TV would be if it WERE produced by computer scientists?
Channel 45: The Slashdot channel! Geeks rant and rave about Microsoft, SCO, and RIAA! Then they geek out over Linux, *BSD (which they always seem to point is dying), and Mac OS X!!!
Channel 52: The Microsoft Channel! Bill Gates discusses his plans for world domination!
Channel 54: The Linux channel! Kernel hacker Alan Cox takes you line-by-line through the Linux source code!
Channel 58: The Apple Channel! Steve Jobs demonsrates his famous "Reality Distortion Field" and exaggerates a lot about Apple's latest G5 computers!
Channel 62: The FSF Channel! RMS talks about how Channel 54 should be called the GNU/Linux channel!
Channel 69: The SCO Channel! *** programming unavailable ***
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It surprises me that no animator (that I know of) has started some kind of distributed rendering effort with people on the Internet (eg. distributed.net). Not only could it be faster and cheaper, but you immediately have a huge number of people who feel that they have a stake in the movie, this might also increase audiences.
You've probably noticed that people's noses get bigger as they get older. That's because old people are huge liars.
They have a large RH contract. Many developers independently contribute to opensource projects directly due to necessary extensions and indirectly due to immersion into the platform. More often than not, hard-core users of linux tend to become contributors inherently.
BTW, they also have crossover licenses, Maya licenses, Insure++ licenses, etc. All on linux. All good for the platform.
In this slashdot article it claims that Spirit was the first movie to be created in a 100% linux environment (in April 2002). How can this Sinbad movie be the first one if Spirit was... Over a year ago. Am I missing something here or is this just another PR attempt?
SCO probably thinks it should have a piece of the Sinbad booty since it was created on Linux.
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*cough* many trailers in quicktime only *cough* Steve Jobs and the film-industry *cough* (I think I have a cold?)
Sinbad in Quicktime
(yes this can be compared with sex)
Go right ahead and view the Windows Media file on Linux. You have their permission, I'm sure.
That makes about as much sense as putting a screen door on a submarine.
Just so long as it's your submarine they're putting the screen door on.
...if you didn't see it on the Apple Quicktime trailerssite. They're often the first place the trailer shows up.
Humor...it's not too easy, is it?
...that the movie looks really lame. I mean really, it's derivative second-tier Disney. (Judging from the trailer, anyway.) The dialog is dreary, the character styling seem ripped off from Aladdin, and we have the requisite "big names" as voice "stars" to lure in the masses. So it's 3D instead of 2D. Big whoop.
Quite the movie. Not only was it done entirely on Linux, it stars (err...horridly villainizes) Eris.
Focus, people. We have limited resources and a lot of major and very important battles to spend them on.
Honestly, who gives a damn what OS the render farm was running? What we should care about is "is this movie any good", and frankly, it doesn't look like it will be any good at all.
Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
Neither is having the balls to post under your own username. :P
"Oooh, does that mean we get to kick some puffy white mad zionist butt?"
I work in one of Europe's largest post production houses, and we've moved most things over to Linux now. However, we still need Windows to run Adobe Photoshop, as there's still nothing suitable yet in Linux. The GIMP just doesn't cut it, and I'm sure it's the same with them.
Sure, the modelling, animation and rendering were probably all done on Linux, but it's probably not correct to say that it was done exclusively on Linux. I bet there were a bunch of Windows or Macs with Photoshop on them being used there, and unless they did all their compositing on Shake, they'll have probably used some dedicated compositing systems.
Linux works quite well in visual effects, largely because all those who grew up using IRIX workstations find it quite familiar. The pipelining and scripting stuff is easier than it is in NT/2000/XP. However, it's worth noting that the vast majority of the actual graphics software we use is still commercial/proprietary - there's not much in the way of Open Source stuff out there of a sufficiently high quality. The notable exception to this is 'Liquid' a maya->Renderman convertor, and to a lesser extent FilmGimp - useful because there's not much else that will edit High Dynamic Range images, but less useful because it still appears to be rather unstable...
Or more exactly, the support for good GFX cards. Does HP provide special drivers etc for certain applications or what?
Just thinking of the benefit for the avarage Linux user.
It was created using various applications. Those applications could have been running on FreeBSD, OS X...it doesn't really matter all that much. In fact all of these applications can already be recompiled to run on OS X or whatever. That the name of the kernel providing virtual memory, process switching, device drivers, and some low-level services is "Linux" in this case, well, that's something that really only matters if you're a hardcore geek.
I don't mean this as a flame at all. It's just that this story is misguided advocacy. Generic putdowns of "Windows" are equally as meaningless. People don't use an operating system. People use applications. Being fixated on operating systems is like being fixated on tires instead of cars.
but on the other hand it's not funny because it's true; it's worrying. A media player should not segfault just because of a choppy MP3! In fact, no program should segfault just by reading in a slightly screwed up file, full stop. I'm not joking here, mplayer can be damn unstable at times - I have an MP3 of the song "I Ran" which mplayer core dumps on. Kind of funny, in it's own worrying way. Fortunately, since DreamWorks are creating video and not playing it back, they won't have to witness this kind of error.
Note to M1-ers: a curt but otherwise insightful message is not "Flamebait" or "Troll".
I am always trying to tell my friends why things like FilmGimp are just as powerful as Photoshop. What are some other movie examples made at least partially using linux?
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It's old. The more humans I meet, the more I like my cats. At least they are honest.
Simply because if they lose their hold as the CGI/graphics specialists, the only thing they'll have left is schools...
1) Spirit wasn't done on Linux. That was marketing bull puckey. It wasn't rendered on Linux, either. There were some portions of the 2D animation that were done in linux, namely the Toon Shooter program and coloring the 2D animation.
2) Backgrounds and some other minor stuff for Sinbad was done in Photoshop, on Macintosh G4. So this movie isn't 100% linux, either. Although now DW is using Photoshop 7 in Crossover on Linux, and (gasp) Windows 2000.
3) 3D modeling and animation were done in A|W's Maya. Dreamworks contributed to both Maya and RH Linux by beta testing and reporting bugs, and making feature requests to both, that were rolled back into the public releases. Also they contributed to Crossover with Disney/Pixar to get Photoshop working on Linux. So they have contributed, a little.
4) A friend of mine at DW got me a pass to see Sinbad last saturday morning. It's pretty good, actually, certainly not as bad as the previews make it out to be - but DW's marketing department pretty much sucks hiney, so I doubt that anyone will ever know that. The animation's not that great, though.
No, it's about the hypocrisy of the film industry.
Dear Dreamworks,
It has come to our attention that you have used Linux on the production of the animated motion picture Sinbad. As you know we are the copyright holders to the UNIX operating system and all derivative works. We have proof that the Linux software used at Dreamworks has illegally incorporated proprietary source code, patents and trade secrets from SCO UNIX. We would show you thte source code in question but we can't for legal reasons. We consider Linux and Sinbad derivative works of SCO intellectual property. Please pay up!
Sincerely,
SCO
I was pointing out that most of the applications we user are not free or open source, but rather are commercial, closed-source Linux applications.
The big thing we are missing is Photoshop for Linux.
As for the compositing systems:
Flame and Inferno run on SGI IRIX machine with custom harware.
The Avid systems run on Windows.
The Quantel Henrys ran their own Quantel system - I'm not sure what the modern Quantel systems run on
Certainly the only compositing system I know of that runs on Linux is Shake. Most of the others have custom hardware and don't run on Linux.
> Can you imagine how awful TV would be if it WERE produced by computer scientists?
Considering what is out there right now on TV, it just might be an improvement. *grin*
Many of the characters in Sinbad were first drawn by hand and then integrated into the 3-D computer-created background scenes.
The fact is that most animated TV shows (and a good amount of animated feature films) are still hand drawn. Additionally, many computer generated TV shows use 2D tools like (and recycle elements created in) Photoshop, Painter, Flash, and After Effects. 3D is another tool, sure, but it hasn't completely replaced 2D animation. The death of 2D is greatly exaggerated.
Chicks. How do you like your chicks? Cold and fat, or skinny and hot (and shinny). I know which I would pick. Everytime. Now go back to sucking linux cock. I hear penguins are into that kind of thing.
"The first movie created entirely with Linux"
So funny how everyone praises the technology. I'm sure they used at least one or two pencils to make that movie...
Sinbad was traditionally animated, which means a lot of people hunched over light tables, exactly the same way they did it in the 1920-30's. The ink and paint department may be gone, and the effects are a little bit better, but an animator from that time would still fit right in...
You have criticisms of the GIMP, fair enough.
Could you please (politely) say what they are?
Are there fundamental features that you are missing or is that the GIMP is just less friendly and usable in general?
Perhaps if you can give good feedback I could file some bug reports and suggestions, and in general I am interested to know what other people dont like about the GIMP.
I use the GIMP, I know it could be better but I am not so sure about what stuff exactly should be improved.
Sadly, I think I would actually watch Channel 54.
Why not fork?
So you're telling me they edited a major motion picture entirely on Linux? Right.
rock on...
Really, what diffrence does it make what kernel ran their graphics software? I mean, this is a good victory for OSS, but it dosn't really help anyone of us.
And notice that the article dosn't mention what software the actual animators used. Sure, I suppose they could have drawn each character on cells and scanned them, but I find that doubtfull.
No, it'll be big news when a movie is produced entirely with Open Source (or at least cheap) software like the movie gimp and other tools.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
But this does make sense:
OCT 31 = DEC 25
Halloween is Christmas?
No. But true geeks know how this statement is true.
"Well, here we have the perfect example of how Linux is more than ready for the desktop -- hundreds of animators successfully used Linux to create a film right from their desktops."
Just because a bunch of computer-savvy animators sat down in front of a computer and made a movie that does not mean Linux is ready for the desktop. Back at Disney we had non-techie-types in their fifties working on their Sun workstations in 1990 and nobody is going to argue that SunOS was ready for the desktop 13 years ago. Things were made so that their interaction with the OS outside of the particular app they were using was very minimal. BIG difference between that and "ready for the desktop".
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Photoshop to Linux, with such a market using Linux I don't see why not. They apparently don't like Macs anymore. Does that mean though that they used GIMP for textures?
Explorer.exe has cause an exception fault in module WMP at 0x0...[binary crap] A representative of the MPAA will be notified of your illegal movie watching.
Free software might be very useful to movie makers, but that won't keep them from pushing DRM on everyone.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
At least there would be a Sumi Das pr0n channel.
They could say "Use the source, Luke!"
"...a generation of kids has grown up thinking Trance is the shittiest music since country and western." - Paul van Dyk
You should think of it like gun control. The state imposes gun control so that only the state has guns. Movie makers have a double incentive to steal and supress free software that might be useful for making movies.
The first reason is, as you noticed, they are afraid people will convert their movies into formats than can be shared. That can be done on windoze too, but windoze will soon have enough locks on it that watching a movie will be difficult.
The second reason is more fundamental, movie makers don't want competition in movie making. Lord knows there's a wasted surpluss of actors, screenwriters, producers and promoters starving around any big movie making town that would like to work at a new movie house. Both reasons are really the same thing, in order to avoid competition that technology is making cheaper and easier, they have to own every aspect of movie making from poduction to retail distribution. If any piece of the chain becomes open to competition, the rest open up.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
Eris Owns your Linux Distro...drop to a command prompt, and type "ddate" for proof! Works with everything from Tom's RootBoot disk to big distros like Red Hat!
Hail Eris!
All Hail Discordia!
Goto www.fnord.org for more info, or consult your Pineal gland.
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Free software continues to prove it's the right tool for the job, that's the news here. One day, someone will use the same tools to make a movie you actually like, unless you are such a fanboy that no such movie could ever please you.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
ok.. i'll bite..
what's on channel 42?
there has got to be a channel 42 on geek run tv..
End of line..
It's nice seeing on slashdot's frontpage stories like Bill Gates' interview about Linux going nowhere and this story about Linux going everywhere.
I swear, Bill Gates must be the worst technologist/visionary/prophet if he only sees Linux as a passing fad.
pr0n. what else? ;)
My journal has hot
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4803
This article from Aug. '01 goes into great detail. It all boils down to reduced costs and increased productivity.
I would theorize they also appreciate the ability to make low-level modifications to the OS to better support their software needs.
Now, where's my DreamWorks Linux distro?
Channel 54: The Linux channel! Kernel hacker Alan Cox takes you line-by-line through the Linux source code!
:)
Hot Damn! I would LOVE to see that
Finkployd
(OK, maybe just the second one. And it was a troll-y subject line. But not a troll! Not a troll!)
Finding Nemo/Sharkslayer (Something smells fishy here.)
More like...
LOSING NEMO!
Will I retire or break 10K?
...if i slap a set of p-zero asymmetrico's on mom's forester, it's going to handle a lot better. os obsession is more like being fixated on the paint color or something..
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. - Aldous Huxley
I keep seeing articles here saying "gee, nice to see something about linux instead of microsoft". This is ironic twofold, since Microsoft is a primary investor in Dreamworks, and also since they're producing a movie all on Linux. Goes to show, you should use the best OS for the job.... word processing is still better on software written primarily for Microsoft OS's.
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Well, Pixar president Ed Catmull said at WWDC last week that the dual 2 GHz G5 Power Mac was the fastest desktop computer for RenderMan.
In addition, Final Cut Pro only runs on Mac, Apple sells Shake for $5000 on Mac OS X and $10000 on Linux and other platforms, 25% Maya sales go to Mac OS X. It looks that Mac OS X on G5 is a far better 3D and video solution than Linux, particularly now that the dual G5 Power Mac is cheaper than the dual Xeon Dell.
While I have the utmost respect for Dr. Catmull, one must remember a key player in both Pixar and Apple's operations: Steve Jobs.
Of course this is merely speculation; Apple has had a track record of focusing on multimedia. Quicktime, iTunes, Photoshop (ok so they didnt build it, but maybe they designed future Apples to run it 'better'?). It could simply be that Apple has made some design trade offs to support the RenderMan software suite.
Or I *suppose* the G5 Power Mac could be the fastest out there, but some of us are far too anti-Mac to support that hypothesis =)
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They were 1bit textures hand drawn with xfig. ;-)
See what I mean? ;)
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Cost linux is the cheapest cluster that work great with update http. Basicly microsoft costs too much sco cost too and suns own os costs too much for just a very powerfull cluster these days.
Number 2 if you are a web developer a bit sort on money it provids a development env with low overhead and able to fully copy servers on line so what works in the test bed with work on the server. And linux server space is the cheapest in town.
The is one rule that always comes true microsoft was the cheapest in town so over time it killed every thing else. Now linux is the cheapest in town and it will kill everything else.
Linux is starting to run out of market to kill basicly it has kill lots of the unixs and is killing SCO(ie the threat court case to try it save it skin). Basicly it has been attacking and taking the unix market but in the last few years they have been force to look at windows to keep there market expanding. Basicly the game with microsoft is only begining. Just like big gates he is blind. When microsoft took on OS/2 there OS was poorly made and OS/2 was made correctly. They won on the terms of price. FUD was ran this failed to stop dos/windows from growning in fact microsoft got more market share quicker because of it.
Every one points to driver problems but this is a windows problem as well as a linux one microsoft does not always get the source code to driver but it has been forcing companys that make drivers to hand over there source code so they could check it. Now the question is why can microsoft demand the source code to a driver yet linux cannot. I think this is unfair competion again.
Basicly linux is not perfect but it works well in the server world. Since you don't need stuff like keyboard switchs. And every thing you use for controling the system can be network parts this means anything breaks you can take parts from the control system to fix the problem in the short term. The thing is how long until microsoft wake up and sees the writing on the wall they are in trouble and big trouble. It will not help then where every they go. The big thing about linux is that you can almost use any hardware from any company to do you work even macs.
>> While I have the utmost respect for Dr. Catmull, one must remember a key player in both Pixar and Apple's operations: Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs created Pixar to make great movies and lots of money, not to help Apple, and virtually all of his wealth comes from the 70% Pixar stock that he owns. The company is run by very smart people like Ed Catmull who make decision in the best interest of Pixar, which is why their own render farm currently uses Lintel machines rather than Macs. But the G5 is going to change the CG landscape, and Pixar knows that from their own benchmarks.
Does your conspiracy theory also apply to all these companies:
Adobe
"Thanks to the hard work of Adobe's engineers, Photoshop performs twice as fast on Power Mac G5s, when compared to any other system we've seen from Apple," said Greg Gilley, vice president, Graphics Applications Development at Adobe. "The future of Photoshop on the Macintosh platform is being geared around exploiting the power of Mac OS X and tapping the outstanding hardware performance of a new generation of Power Mac G5s."
Luxology
"We are simply blown away with the performance we are seeing out of the chip and the incredibly wide pipes on the motherboard which allows our 3D technology to do more in real time than we ever thought possible," said Brad Peebler, Luxology's president and co-founder.
Pixar
"After running our RenderMan benchmarks, we can now say that the Power Mac G5 is the fastest desktop in the world," said Ed Catmull, Pixar's president.
Macromedia
"The combination of Macromedia products and the new Power Mac G5 from Apple is an ideal platform for developers to create great experiences," said Norm Meyrowitz, Macromedia's president of Macromedia Products.
Digidesign
"Processor power is one of the prime things that makes the magic of digital audio happen. The new Power Mac G5 is going to give our customers just want they want--loads of power and a great OS that really delivers," said Dave Lebolt, Digidesign's general manager and Avid Technology vice president.
Alias|Wavefront
"Alias|Wavefront is extremely pleased with the performance we're seeing from our initial tests of Maya on the Power Mac G5," says Kevin Tureski, general manager, Maya Engineering at Alias|Wavefront. "From dynamics to rendering, we're seeing twice the performance with our application. Our customers will be thrilled with the Power Mac G5."
Wolfram
"The Power Mac G5 is a scientific dream machine," said Wolfram Research co-founder Theodore Gray. "Mathematica Version 5's enhanced support for large-scale numerical linear algebra, linear programming, and PDEs, is a perfect example of what you need a machine as powerful as the Power Mac G5 for: Everyone who uses Mathematica, or should, would do well to look at the Power Mac G5 very seriously."
when I said the animation is intricate, I meant that there would be an overly-intricate amount of detail invested in each strand, to make the clumps look particularly dynamic (as would be required of sirens)
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I dunno, but maybe I'm the only one who is irritated by the animators/producers mixing what looks like hand drawn animation, and full CG. It looks really cheap, and segmented I find. Almost like the characters are on a different plane of existence than the Cg characters/environments. I think they should have gone all cell shaded or all rendered.
All I'm trying to say really I guess is that the film seems to look disjointed as far as the aesthetics of the picture are concerned.
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OK. As long as we say no to islamic terrorists/fundementalists too.
All intolerance is criminal.
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All this fancy-schmancy CG stuff can't hold a candle to good-old stop-motion photography.
The Golden Voyage of Sinbad
Sinbad and the Eye of the Tiger
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Actually those sound like a major improvement.. I might bother getting cable if they had channels like that. The only channels I really like are like Discovery, TLC, and stuff like that.. though I admit I also watch MTV/VH1 and The Cartoon Network.
:)
Actually though I think geeks could make really good television. A lot of us are real movie/tv buffs and are actually pretty funny. I've actually thought about making a tv series of my life.. something like a combination Jerry Springer, Seinfield, and Freaks & Geeks. I think it'd be pretty popular.. especially with my fellow geeks.
At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.
Sure go watch the movies.. buy the movies.. rip the movies.. give copies to everyone you can. I sugegst printing out a stack of copies of your favorite movie and print fairly legit looking disc labels.. then leave them in places where people are likely to pick up copies. Leave them there anonymously and you can't be busted.
At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.
Why should they care? What they care about is using the right tool for the right job. Also, producers are not advertisers; they hand advertising over to the advertising team, who then makes the call on how to advertise the piece.
The Dreamworks IT team responsible for making this production work on Linux is hardly responsible for marketing the movie as well. The fact of the matter is, WindowsMedia.com has brand recognition and is a popular site, and the logistics are taken care of by someone else.
Speaking of popular sites for movie trailers, have you ever heard of Apple QuickTime? They've got this great little movie trailers site, and it's always the first place I check. I found the Sinbad trailer right away.
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In the article, they claim that Dreamworks' method of creating an ocean (rendering the whole thing, then taking parts of it) is "novel." In fact, this has been done before, for Attack of the Clones.
Huh? Will someone please mod that down.
Why not fork?
Me thinks the Dreamworks team had a whole lot of wholesome fun while making the movie.
I'm sure in the Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within build scripts there's support for make -Daki=naked...
a movie about the old Scandinavian warrior called Beowulf all done on Linux.
OK, OK, it is not funny, but I didn't see the CowboyNeal Option and I thought something was missing.
OK. As long as we say no to islamic terrorists/fundementalists too.
All intolerance is criminal.
I agree with you 100%. I reject fundamentalism as well as zionism and especially the terrorism originating from both.
"Oooh, does that mean we get to kick some puffy white mad zionist butt?"
It seems like a great movie...I just have a feeling that it's not going to do as well as people hope. It seems like older people might be more interested in it than younger kids. Heck, kids have no idea who Brad Pitt and Catherine Zeta Jones are.
How many home shopping channels are there? How many run sports all day long? You make it sound like it's not dreadful already, oy vey...
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