There are IT and related tech qualifications at the craft level, and also intermediate (tech) level schools.
But they both have in common that they are intellectually less demanding but not faster than an Bachelor in CS or engineering. And the craftman's qualification is only available full time.
*sigh* Knock knock. Anybody at home. McFly? Repeat after me:
NOT U.S. Germany.
There is no such thing as an Engineering license around here. The degree is the real thing. (except in a few historically isolated cases like mining, where the degree is usually complemented by a state organized additional training and exam.)
We stupid Germans used to think our universities were all good enough so the degree directly means qualification. Then came Bologna.....
A few years or decades down the road you might even be right. But not today.
well, I have no idea where you sit. But if it is Germany, you are now ~5 years older than when you started going to University, and you have a degree nobody really knows if its any good (thanks to Bologna). The the tech labor market right now is ok but not nearly as good many folks claim it to be.
If you went full time you spent 5 years hardly earning a dime. And moreover, you probably didn't learn a thing you could not have learned reading a good book or article on the subject. On the other hand, you spent tons of time and energy on stuff you will never ever touch again.
Trust me, been there, done that. I have full masters-equivalent degree in CS from a research university. Yes, it's a good basis when you start. But not something I would suggest you spent 5 years in your forties on.
OTOH, I support your distance ed suggestion. But MSc in CS per distance ed while working normally means either the equivalent of 2 jobs or more for ~5 years, or 7-10 with a less demanding schedule. Both are not very good alternatives.
which is why libertarians tend to end up on ropes or pitchforks when the next revolution comes. We get the "magical treatment" because we are more than you, and we force you to (and that is quite independent of the actual item of discrimination).
You have SO no idea what the working environment in Europe is, especially in Germany. A university degree is the entry card to a very invisible club. I work in a Telco, and that sector has had many lateral recruits in the 90s. One of my colleagues is a journeyman pastry chef. Another one is a licensed railway train driver. We have tons of physicists, electrical engineers, a few engineers of other disciplines, chemicists, a few MBAs, even a Master of Divinity, all doing IT and network engineering work.
Those without a university degree usually don't play in the same level though (exceptions do exist, but are rare). And even among those - Germany has an extensive sub-university education system. Folks with a technical journeyman qualification can easily find a job elsewhere. Those without have a very very hard time. They are chained to their current job - because to the HR dept in another company they are just a guy without papers.
Nice of you to recognize that you (and nearly everybody else) is blowing hot steam.
There is no college in Germany. Until very recently, we didn't even have Bachelor degrees at all. There are full universities and "universities of applied science". (Fachhochschulen). The latter are, in theory, not staffed and equipped for research and cater to a lower qualified student tier, but these days everyone and his dog are offering masters programs under the new Bologna rules, and depending on their motivation and other factors they may or may not do research.
I do assume the OP has the necessary requirements for university attendance (Abitur for universities, "Fachhochschulreife" plus relevant experience for universities of applied science).
The MBA market in Germany has become especially intransparent. Here Bologna has really ruined the educational system. Crappy provincial Fachhochschulen compete with first rate universities offering the same title. Moreover, the MBA is NOT part of the "consecutive" system (where a Master require a Bachelor) but are basically given to everyone who completed the course, whatever its requirements were. There are MBAs that can be had after 2 years of distance learning.
If you want a regular masters degree in Business Administration, otoh, you'll get a M.A. in Business administration. Bologna at its finest.
First - you are right. A degree is substantially more relevant in D than in the US. A tech without a university degree is presumed to play in a lower league. A guy with a degree gets a certain respect from his peers, but can of course loose it. A guy without is assumed to be a simple mind and has to earn peer respect the hard way - up front. In large organizations, people know exactly who has a degree and who doesn't. Funnily, the exact subject of the degeree is less relevant in practice. Anything remotely serious will get you going, even BA (BWL), though that is borderline for techs.
But - having said that - somewhere in your fourties, going back to University is not an option any more. You can basically do 2 things
- a get a cheap part-time degree. With cheap I mean BA or some such (aka BWL). Part time means internet or study-by-mail - Fernuni Hagen comes to mind, but I'm sure there are others. - accumulate non-academic/professional certifications. If you want to go into project management, there are at least 2 relevant certification bodies. You could mix that with tech vendor certs, or not.
And whatever route you go - start going. Now. Your time has run out, If you want to do project management, start getting into project management roles in large projects now.
With Jumpgate 1, they apruptly closed the European servers, leaving all of us out in the cold (playing the us server wasn't really an option - too much lag).
I never really understood the reasoning. Comparted to programmin g and maintenance, server and traffic is really neglibible in a MMO budget, and they had several thousand paying customers over here. Ther was an issue with their local parrtner, but I think with some good will that could have been solved - especially since the European server als was quite an iunteresting alternative sto study to the US one.
Back then criics of the US server described it as one huge oderless mess of deathmatch forever PvP junkies, while critics of the European server described it as "carebears in space", for its nice and working set of rules that managed to keep the PvPers (Thieves and Pirates, mostly) from molesting the PvE players. Of course the pirates kept whining about how hard their live was, but they could always fight each other.
Hallam-Baker, IIRC, is the guy who managed to loose the first internet related libel suit, and he lost it against one of the worst kooks in usenet history, and,. agaian, IIRC, he lost very badly. Cost him tons of money.
OTOH, his CS credentials are fairly solid. And he made it CTO of Verisign? Sort of interesting. OTOH his id his higher than mine, and mine's already nothing to be proud of.
in cases like tivo, the original bsd license 1is the enabler that *allows* the vendor to take every single freedom about his product away from me.
The bsd license is nice for vendors trying to use it, and it is hassle free. But it is *bad* for people in the marklet, because they end up with non free software.
As I interprete TFA, it was BGP problem - possibly a failover situation not handled correctly. Or they (NTT) did some seriously weird thing with their BGP design.
Those dodgy practices would probably land a lot of movie execs in a federal golf resort.
Well, their putting is probably in need of improvement, anyway. OTOH, maybe other people's putting qualities would improve more by Mr Shaye reporting the federal bend-over institute....
And knowing they are sharks its perfectly reasonable and correct for Jackson do deal with them as sharks. The funny thing here isn't that they are sharks - the funny thing is the poor sharks are whining because they get a hefty beating from Jackson in court. The sharks are sort of getting out-sharked here:-)
So that embarassing Mr Shaye should stop whining and take it like a man. Or shark:-)
It depends on yoour point of view. In Europe its a) not considered fair, and b) prohibited by our version of copyrigiht law.
This is nonsense. Nothing in European law prohibits Jackson from having and enforcing contracts guaranteeing him whatever amount the parties have agreed upon. Contracts between companies are perfectly valid - the only thing that might be invalid is a contract that does not give any benefit to one party.
this exact story shows why disclosure continues to be necessary. Esser failed especially at getting PHP programmers to make PHP more secure. They summarily resited any of his effortsand suggestions, and in the end he felt isolated and antagonized. "the moment you criticize the security of PHP itself you become persona non grata" he wrote in his blog
The sorry fact is that those assholes *have* to be forced. You *have* to beat sense into them, since apparently they are not accesiible to reason.
The lie detector is crackpot science. Apparently the idea of forcing people to tell the truth rings some arch-american instinct, so the attempts to abolish it on scientific grounds have been unsuccsessful so far (as with other highly questionable practices, like the death penalty, or the unlimited "adult" criminal responsibility of children, that also appeal to brutish instincts of the american populace).
Virtually nobody outside of the US uses it any more.
Take2 was a victim. The modders were victim. But the super trolls around here blame victims only, apparently.
Well trolls, I tell you what. Blame the fucking conservatives and bigots who produced that fucking "outcry". The fanatical save the children hypocrites. The right wing noise machines. All those braindead voters who vote brainfree teflon critters into congreß, or those fucktards who actually let preachers near politics, and all the other stupidos.
But godamned stop blaming the victims.
Sex is ok and a little sex game doesn't hurt the GTA target group. Fucking full stop! Morons who think sex is evil and try to force their sicko warped world view upon us belong into jails or asylums for the mad, not into congress and city halls! And doofus fucking stupid voter who vote the cretins into office should hide their heads in shame instead of trolling slashdot.
My God, when will this country wake up !
And to the fucking conservative fascists who will try to rate this as flamebait or overrated, you are sick little control freaks. This a hearttfelt political opinion about a very political topic affecting us all, so go and shove your worthless little plays.
Corrupt RBLs are bad, too. I'm not implying Spamhaus is bad. I'm just saying look carefully who you trust and for which purpose.
You are a lying sack of shit. You are implying exactly what you claim you dont't. Weasely language like that is that traditional excuse of the defamer. "I am not claiming that woman is a whore. But prostitution is a serious problem."
You guys managed to send that Peterson guy to the death row withoud either a body, a confession or even a first hand witness. He was basically conviced to death for beeing a cheating asshole.
American courts convict on sympathy, knee jerk bigotry and showmanship of the various lawyers.
people do not act ibn a vacuum. India is ripe with corruption, and the reason is that society tolerates corruption. As long as India as society doesn't not eradicate corruption, stuff like that happens all the time.
And yes, that means really hard punishment not only for the ccorrupt officials but also for the bribers. When was the last really rich man convicted to a really long prison sentence for corruption ? Why do politicians tolerate obviously corrupt or bribing colleagues in their mid ?
They can not even prosecute clear cut cases of murder, when there is ample proof.
Just a somwhat current example: the murder of Jessica Lal.
The victim, an attractive model, worked at the bar at a friend's party in a fancy restaurant. A son of a powerful politician comes in with his entourage and asks for a drink. She refuses to give him one, because the bar is already closed. The man - offended beeing refused in front of his friends - pulls a gun and shoots her direct in the face.
Numerous witnesses. Ample evidence. OJ Simpson was a mystery compared to that. And yet, after seven years of judical wrangling, the man walks away free (not that he ever spent a day in jail). Witnesses who can not remember anything, a police that just happens to destroy or devalue all evidence - the case stinks of corruption.
Its been a major scandal in India half a year ago. But only because the victim was well known and had many influential friends of her own. Had she been a simple rural woman, we wouldn't even know. Local observers note that affairs like that are standard practice - if you are rich enough in India, there is no law that applies to you, because everybody is corrupt and can be bought.
Don't believe me ? Just google for Jessica Lal, and read the whole sordid story.
Slashdot Mirror
yes.
There are IT and related tech qualifications at the craft level, and also intermediate (tech) level schools.
But they both have in common that they are intellectually less demanding but not faster than an Bachelor
in CS or engineering. And the craftman's qualification is only available full time.
*sigh* Knock knock. Anybody at home. McFly? Repeat after me:
NOT U.S.
Germany.
There is no such thing as an Engineering license around here. The degree is the real thing.
(except in a few historically isolated cases like mining, where the degree is usually complemented by a state organized additional training and exam.)
We stupid Germans used to think our universities were all good enough so the degree directly means qualification. Then came Bologna.....
A few years or decades down the road you might even be right. But not today.
well, I have no idea where you sit. But if it is Germany, you are now ~5 years older than when you started going to University, and you have a degree nobody really knows if its any good (thanks to Bologna). The the tech labor market right now is ok but not nearly as good many folks claim it to be.
If you went full time you spent 5 years hardly earning a dime. And moreover, you probably didn't learn a thing you could not have learned reading a good book or article on the subject. On the other hand, you spent tons of time and energy on stuff you will never ever touch again.
Trust me, been there, done that. I have full masters-equivalent degree in CS from a research university. Yes, it's a good basis when you start. But not something I would suggest you spent 5 years in your forties on.
OTOH, I support your distance ed suggestion. But MSc in CS per distance ed while working normally means either the equivalent of 2 jobs or more for ~5 years, or 7-10 with a less demanding schedule. Both are not very good alternatives.
which is why libertarians tend to end up on ropes or pitchforks when the next revolution comes. We get the "magical treatment" because we are more than you, and we force you to (and that is quite independent of the actual item of discrimination).
You have SO no idea what the working environment in Europe is, especially in Germany. A university degree is the entry card to a very invisible club. I work in a Telco, and that sector has had many lateral recruits in the 90s. One of my colleagues is a journeyman pastry chef. Another one is a licensed railway train driver. We have tons of physicists, electrical engineers, a few engineers of other disciplines, chemicists, a few MBAs, even a Master of Divinity, all doing IT and network engineering work.
Those without a university degree usually don't play in the same level though (exceptions do exist, but are rare). And even among those - Germany has an extensive sub-university education system. Folks with a technical journeyman qualification can easily find a job elsewhere. Those without have a very very hard time. They are chained to their current job - because to the HR dept in another company they are just a guy without papers.
Nice of you to recognize that you (and nearly everybody else) is blowing hot steam.
There is no college in Germany. Until very recently, we didn't even have Bachelor degrees at all. There are full universities and "universities of applied science". (Fachhochschulen). The latter are, in theory, not staffed and equipped for research and cater to a lower qualified student tier, but these days everyone and his dog are offering masters programs under the new Bologna rules, and depending on their motivation and other factors they may or may not do research.
I do assume the OP has the necessary requirements for university attendance (Abitur for universities, "Fachhochschulreife" plus relevant experience for universities of applied science).
The MBA market in Germany has become especially intransparent. Here Bologna has really ruined the educational system. Crappy provincial Fachhochschulen compete with first rate universities offering the same title. Moreover, the MBA is NOT part of the "consecutive" system (where a Master require a Bachelor) but are basically given to everyone who completed the course, whatever its requirements were. There are MBAs that can be had after 2 years of distance learning.
If you want a regular masters degree in Business Administration, otoh, you'll get a M.A. in Business administration. Bologna at its finest.
First - you are right. A degree is substantially more relevant in D than in the US. A tech without a university degree is presumed to play in a lower league. A guy with a degree gets a certain respect from his peers, but can of course loose it. A guy without is assumed to be a simple mind and has to earn peer respect the hard way - up front. In large organizations, people know exactly who has a degree and who doesn't. Funnily, the exact subject of the degeree is less relevant in practice. Anything remotely serious will get you going, even BA (BWL), though that is borderline for techs.
But - having said that - somewhere in your fourties, going back to University is not an option any more. You can basically do 2 things
- a get a cheap part-time degree. With cheap I mean BA or some such (aka BWL). Part time means internet or study-by-mail - Fernuni Hagen comes to mind, but I'm sure there are others.
- accumulate non-academic/professional certifications. If you want to go into project management, there are at least 2 relevant certification bodies. You could mix that with tech vendor certs, or not.
And whatever route you go - start going. Now. Your time has run out, If you want to do project management, start getting into project management roles in large projects now.
well, his twitter feed is the PR equivalent of an ax murderer on a killing rampage.
He has clearly no clue what he is talking about (IP law), and apparently is too emotionally
invested in the matter to even be taken seriously.
That is not going to end well.
With Jumpgate 1, they apruptly closed the European servers, leaving all of us out in the cold (playing the us server wasn't really an option - too much lag).
I never really understood the reasoning. Comparted to programmin g and maintenance, server and traffic is really neglibible in a MMO budget, and they had several thousand paying customers over here. Ther was an issue with their local parrtner, but I think with some good will that could have been solved - especially since the European server als was quite an iunteresting alternative sto study to the US one.
Back then criics of the US server described it as one huge oderless mess of deathmatch forever PvP junkies, while critics of the European server described it as "carebears in space", for its nice and working set of rules that managed to keep the PvPers (Thieves and Pirates, mostly) from molesting the PvE players. Of course the pirates kept whining about how hard their live was, but they could always fight each other.
Ooops. Sure ?
Hallam-Baker, IIRC, is the guy who managed to loose the first internet related libel suit, and he lost it against one of the worst kooks in usenet history, and,. agaian, IIRC, he lost very badly. Cost him tons of money.
OTOH, his CS credentials are fairly solid. And he made it CTO of Verisign? Sort
of interesting. OTOH his id his higher than mine, and mine's already nothing to be proud of.
All very strange...
in cases like tivo, the original bsd license 1is the enabler that *allows* the vendor to take every single freedom about his product away from me.
The bsd license is nice for vendors trying to use it, and it is hassle free. But it is *bad* for people in the marklet, because they end up with non free software.
No.
above all it sucks for the *recipient*!
It is the recipent's freedom to modify what he gets that gets lost.
Tivo is an excellent example, if they really prevent people from tinkering with their own tivos, I couldn't care less at their whining about GPLv3.
All they need to do is lift those arrogant restrictions.
IIRC we tested amounts like that even in well equipped 75ers .
As others already noted the 6500/7600 is a switch with limited
routing capabilities. you use it as a core router at your own
risk (and peril).
im a fraid you are a little off here.
As I interprete TFA, it was BGP problem - possibly a failover
situation not handled correctly. Or they (NTT) did some
seriously weird thing with their BGP design.
Well, their putting is probably in need of improvement, anyway. OTOH, maybe other people's putting qualities would improve more by Mr Shaye reporting the federal bend-over institute....
Indeeed.
:-)
:-)
And knowing they are sharks its perfectly reasonable and correct for Jackson do deal with them as sharks. The funny thing here isn't that they are sharks - the funny thing is the poor sharks are whining because they get a hefty beating from Jackson in court. The sharks are sort of getting out-sharked here
So that embarassing Mr Shaye should stop whining and take it like a man. Or shark
This is nonsense. Nothing in European law prohibits Jackson from having and enforcing contracts guaranteeing him whatever amount the parties have agreed upon. Contracts between companies are perfectly valid - the only thing that might be invalid is a contract that does not give any benefit to one party.
this exact story shows why disclosure continues to be necessary. Esser failed especially at getting PHP programmers to make PHP more secure. They summarily resited any of his effortsand suggestions, and in the end he felt isolated and antagonized. "the moment you criticize the security of PHP itself you become persona non grata" he wrote in his blog
The sorry fact is that those assholes *have* to be forced. You *have* to beat sense into them, since apparently they are not accesiible to reason.
So full disclosure continues to be the way to go.
Heise has more details on the issue.
you are probably more right than you meant to.
The lie detector is crackpot science. Apparently the idea of forcing people to tell the truth rings some arch-american instinct, so the attempts to abolish it on scientific grounds have been unsuccsessful so far (as with other highly questionable practices, like the death penalty, or the unlimited "adult" criminal responsibility of children, that also appeal to brutish instincts of the american populace).
Virtually nobody outside of the US uses it any more.
what are you ? all trolls ?
Take2 was a victim. The modders were victim. But the super trolls around here blame victims only, apparently.
Well trolls, I tell you what. Blame the fucking conservatives and bigots who produced that fucking "outcry". The fanatical save the children hypocrites. The right wing noise machines. All those braindead voters who vote brainfree teflon critters into congreß, or those fucktards who actually let preachers near politics, and all the other stupidos.
But godamned stop blaming the victims.
Sex is ok and a little sex game doesn't hurt the GTA target group. Fucking full stop! Morons who think sex is evil and try to force their sicko warped world view upon us belong into jails or asylums for the mad, not into congress and city halls! And doofus fucking stupid voter who vote the cretins into office should hide their heads in shame instead of trolling slashdot.
My God, when will this country wake up !
And to the fucking conservative fascists who will try to rate this as flamebait or overrated, you are sick little control freaks. This a hearttfelt political opinion about a very political topic affecting us all, so go and shove your worthless little plays.
Lying sack of shit.
ahem ... evidence ? Is that required ?
You guys managed to send that Peterson guy to the death row withoud either a body, a confession or even a first hand witness. He was basically conviced to death for beeing a cheating asshole.
American courts convict on sympathy, knee jerk bigotry and showmanship of the various lawyers.
people do not act ibn a vacuum. India is ripe with corruption, and the reason is that society tolerates corruption. As long as India as society doesn't not eradicate corruption, stuff like that happens all the time.
And yes, that means really hard punishment not only for the ccorrupt officials but also for the bribers. When was the last really rich man convicted to a really long prison sentence for corruption ? Why do politicians tolerate obviously corrupt or bribing colleagues in their mid ?
They can not even prosecute clear cut cases of murder, when there is ample proof.
Just a somwhat current example: the murder of Jessica Lal.
The victim, an attractive model, worked at the bar at a friend's party in a fancy restaurant. A son of a powerful politician comes in with his entourage and asks for a drink. She refuses to give him one, because the bar is already closed. The man - offended beeing refused in front of his friends - pulls a gun and shoots her direct in the face.
Numerous witnesses. Ample evidence. OJ Simpson was a mystery compared to that. And yet, after seven years of judical wrangling, the man walks away free (not that he ever spent a day in jail). Witnesses who can not remember anything, a police that just happens to destroy or devalue all evidence - the case stinks of corruption.
Its been a major scandal in India half a year ago. But only because the victim was well known and had many influential friends of her own. Had she been a simple rural woman, we wouldn't even know. Local observers note that affairs like that are standard practice - if you are rich enough in India, there is no law that applies to you, because everybody is corrupt and can be bought.
Don't believe me ? Just google for Jessica Lal, and read the whole sordid story.
isnt that van Damme ?
....
others ? Well
Marc Dutroux ?