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Hot Coffee's Effects On The GTA Mod Scene
simoniker writes "Over a year after the infamous 'Hot Coffee' incident, author and game designer Brenda Brathwaite explores the tragic aftermath on the GTA mod community — including interviews with 'Hot Coffee' creator PatrickW, the ESRB's Patricia Vance, and more." From the article: "The second version of San Andreas was made 'much more mod-resistant' according to Patrick, and among members of the community, there is doubt that future versions will be moddable at all. 'This has already made good people leave the scene,' Patrick adds. Among those that remain, there exists a certain amount of caution. 'Some innocent modding stuff isn't getting released,' says Patrick, 'because modders are afraid it might cause another controversy.'"
'Some innocent modding stuff isn't getting released,' says Patrick, 'because modders are afraid it might cause another controversy.'
I'm sure a modder would hate to cause controversy. That wouldn't get them noticed at all....
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"'Some innocent modding stuff isn't getting released,' says Patrick, 'because modders are afraid it might cause another controversy.'"
Yeah and Elvis Presley lives at the bottom of my yard with the fairies. Since when have individuals on the internet been afraid of controversy? Sounds like a load of horsecrap to me. If they really are afraid of controversy, they must have a hugely inflated sense of self importance. Like anyone gives two craps if someone makes a mod in his bedroom, what are they worried about, their carefully crafted professional reputation on the modding scene? The cops coming round to arrest them? Give me a break.
all the news websites that ran like a hojillion articles about it... from gamespot all the way up to CNN. i am so freaking tired of the words "hot coffee" that even if the mod cured cancer and ran on linix i still wouldn't care.
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Hot coffee summary: the sex scenes were in the original game, but not accessible without hacking. Take2 could have simply clarified that. Hey, it's not like GTA is an all-ages game in the first place. Instead, they blamed modders, and turned a minor issue into a big mess.
Circumcision is child abuse.
The "think of the children" crowd's only actual impact on the world is frivolous lawsuits and pointless censorship?
Gee, color me surprised.
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what are you ? all trolls ?
Take2 was a victim. The modders were victim. But the super trolls around here blame victims only, apparently.
Well trolls, I tell you what. Blame the fucking conservatives and bigots who produced that fucking "outcry". The fanatical save the children hypocrites. The right wing noise machines. All those braindead voters who vote brainfree teflon critters into congreß, or those fucktards who actually let preachers near politics, and all the other stupidos.
But godamned stop blaming the victims.
Sex is ok and a little sex game doesn't hurt the GTA target group. Fucking full stop! Morons who think sex is evil and try to force their sicko warped world view upon us belong into jails or asylums for the mad, not into congress and city halls! And doofus fucking stupid voter who vote the cretins into office should hide their heads in shame instead of trolling slashdot.
My God, when will this country wake up !
And to the fucking conservative fascists who will try to rate this as flamebait or overrated, you are sick little control freaks. This a hearttfelt political opinion about a very political topic affecting us all, so go and shove your worthless little plays.
I never had much interest in GTA:SA (not a fan of the 90's gang land genre), but a fellow member of the Machinima community had created a movie studio mod for it (Discussion here) and I really, really, wanted to check it out.
Unfortunately I didn't catch wind of this project until after the Hot Coffee mess, and the retailers had already re-stocked with the "fixed" copy of the game. Needless to say I was no longer motivated to spend my money.
The only one you can blame here is R* for not disclosing all the naughty 'bits' (pun intended) when up for ERSB review. The media response was predictable: childish, immature, and embarrassing when overseas. You know, the usual for us Americans.
Anyway, modders are essential for PC games, they keep the game content fresh, (thus keeping the game on store shelves longer) and players get to play game developer and train for that line of work. (Not to mention all the unique new game play modes and art style innovations) To shun modders is the same as shunning your developers. Bad move not matter how you look at it.
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...that time you were embarassed when friends/family/your date saw the pr0n jpeg you used as desktop wallpaper, has caused a lot of good people to leave the pr0n business.
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Tomb Raider's mods have been on the market long enough to prove your point :)
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I feel so bad. Looks like a small niche group of people doing something pointless will have to find somewhere else to spend their valuable time. *tear*
"It'll destroy you if you try to make it mean anything to anyone but yourself." - Henry Rollins
Despite the above posts that seem to be completely clueless about the modding communities, yes, this and the Oblivion kerfluffle have indeed killed an awful lot of interest in modding. 6 weeks after Morrowind's release, we had skins that replicated the toplessness you found in Arena and Daggerfall. Was it a big deal? Nope. Just about everyone who had the game then remembered playing the first two.
Now? If you patch Oblivion, you can't modify models or skins without SERIOUS work because of, well, mostly because of Jack Thompson and his problems with sexuality, nudity, and a spot of violence.
It isn't so much a fear of asshats like him on the boards and in chat, or the difficulty of hacking the new patches, but a fear of killing the game that we like. Is it too racy? Is it too violent? Do we mention Jack Thompson without his permission?
Not all of us are up for a legal battle, or the notoriety of destroying a very awesome game and community. And although I loved playing game developer in Morrowind, I'll just have to stick to modding X3 or something that has ZERO possibility of offending someone...
The whole Hot Coffee thing was stupid any way. First, GTA is obviously a game that parents shouldn't give to young children - it's rated M for 17 and older right on the damn box. Then to push up that rating with mods like Hot Coffee doesn't happen by accident - you have to search out, download, and install the mods. You might as well blame Mozilla when your kid finds Dads porn bookmarks and visits some sites they shouldn't.
I for one think GTA should have an XXX version created and released by Take2 that includes much more sex and violence. I don't care if I have to special order it - I'd still buy a copy. I'm sure others would too. Maybe something to try for the PS3? Take advantage of those big disks. I want to be able to break the door down and go into every building in the whole city.
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I got an oblivion nude mod - took about 15 seconds to install. Not sure if it takes serious work to make, but it sure as hell is easy to install.