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Hans Reiser Arrested On Suspicion of Murder
Many readers wrote about the arrest today of Hans Reiser, author of ReiserFS, by Oakland, CA police on suspicion of murdering his estranged wife. From the San Francisco Chronicle: "Hans Reiser, 42, was taken into custody at 11 a.m., hours after Oakland police and FBI technicians searched his home in the Oakland hills. His estranged wife, Nina Reiser, 31, has been missing since Sept. 3, when she dropped off the couple's son and daughter at his home on the 6900 block of Exeter Drive... Police made the arrest based on circumstantial evidence and have not found Nina Reiser's body, [Hans Reiser's attorney] Du Bois said. 'I have no idea what the circumstantial evidence is,' he said. 'When I hear what the evidence is against him, I'll make a decision as to whether he'll talk to them.'" kimvette writes, "While the disappearance (and possible murder) of his wife is tragic, Linux users will wonder where this will leave Reiser 4. If Reiser is found guilty, will Novell or IBM pick up the pieces and finish up Reiser 4 for inclusion in the kernel or is this the end of the Reiser filesystem project? Will there be any future for the Reiser filesystem, and if Hans is found guilty and the project is continued, will the project be renamed to avoid notoriety?"
I hope they let him code in prison.
He's arrested for killing his wife and this post asks what's the deal with Reiser 4? Classy kdawson, very classy.
Does anyone else feel very weird when reading this?
I guess this means Reiser FS will never reach stability ... sigh
The filesystem with killer performance.
When you deal with killer code for to long...
Would that mean if I used ReiserFS that I support murder? Back to ext
but it doesn't sound really good for reiser wether it is FS or H.
This brings up an interesting line of questioning. Are OSS projects that rely so heavily on a single person able to be trusted for widespread use? OSS and Linux zealots scream the advantages of using that kind of software, but is it a smart business decision to deploy something that could potentially lose all support if its project manager is in a fatal car accident? I'm the first to admit my own ignorance on a lot of the heirarchy of OSS projects. Are concerns like this valid or is the community able to pick up where someone left off with minimal interruption to clients?
Four roommates. No microwave. You do the math.
...if Reiser used good journaling techniques.
This may sound harsh, but development communities (professional or not) lose developers all the time, seniors included, so even if he is found guilty the long-term consequences will be minor.
What if he's found guilty, and the project is continued by other people, and renamed to avoid infamy, and Reiser loses his first appeal because his lawyer fails to subpoena critical records from the medical examiner's office, and Reiser 4 is finally completed and included in Linux 5.0, but develops stability issues, and around that time Hans is acquitted in a later appeal based on new evidence, and he rejoins the project? Will they change the name back?
-b
If I wanted a sig I would have filled in that stupid box.
In the case of ReiserFS, the code doesn't get into the mainline kernel without it being reviewed by enough people that there is some hope of maintainability in the absence of one key person.
The problem comes in when no one else wants to maintain a piece of code, but then that's why people pay Red Hat or SuSE cash for their otherwise freely distributable distributions.
- jon
Ganymede, a GPL'ed metadirectory for UNIX
Eh, well then, if anybody asks, I've been here all night, ok?
Microsoft has just released their much anticipated hands-free cordless mouse. Warning, it may hurt a little at first.
People need to remember that there are human lives involved here. There are also children in the mix. This is NOT a tragedy for the Reiser filesystem.
Could be Linus!
Okay, so I'm not a good person.
All Reiser has to do is roll back the journal on his wife's deletion. Problem solved by superior software!
There. How's that for tasteless?
In California, sports and TV stars can murder their wives with impunity. Can OSS gurus? Perhaps this is the bellweather case.
"Will there be any future for the Reiser filesystem, and if Hans is found guilty and the project is continued, will the project be renamed to avoid notoriety?"
It will be renamed OJ-FS!
"...will the project be renamed to avoid notoriety?"
Bit late for that, eh?
The answer is no. When an OSS maintainer gives up, you can still maintain the software precisely because you have the source so that there are ways of maintaining the software. There is no danger that reiserfs will break in Linux in the forseeable future, because the kernel maintainers will keep looking after it. If Hans Reiser and Namesys had kept the source code to themselves, then his users should be worried.
Really!
Well, that's what they tell us, anyway.
The simple truth is that interstellar distances will not fit into the human imagination
- Douglas Adams
the guy gets locked up for a possible murder and you mother fuckers are worrying about his filesystem project?
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU
Oddly enough, Andrew Morton included Reiser4 in his -mm kernel series today.
t ches/2.6/2.6.19-rc1/2.6.19-rc1-mm1/announce.txt
http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm/pa
It is an extremely reasonable question to ask for the people on here who are personally affected by the release, or lack thereof of software they depend on. It may be callous, selfish, and probably indicates some sort of emotional or social mental deficiency if it is the primary concern.
But, it is entirely reasonable. It just should not be the primary concern when compared to someone elses life.
This is hardly tragic, Linux has quite a few other options for a journaling filesystem.
Ext3: Okay it's a bit slow.
JFS: I hear it's nice.
XFS: Supposed to be fast with right options.
The ReiserFS, while still not the "default" FS of most distros was really an innovative one, and one that could eventually be the standard. While his work and his personal life should not be intertwined, I can't help but wonder how much his work affected his family.
Some things are just so shocking, and yet there aren't too many details yet, so I guess we just have to wait.
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Police made the arrest based on circumstantial evidence
I sure hope they had probable cause. Because, you know, probable cause is the legal basis for seizing (i.e., arresting) a person. I wonder what they found more than a month after a person allegedly disappeared to meet their legal burden. I will be watching this case closely. I sure hope they did not arrest him because they "think" he did it and want to "send a message." That, too often, seems the basis for much high profile police action. Just saying.
If Hans Reiser wasn't the author of a somewhat well known filesystem, but instead some other random guy who was uninvolved in free software, his being arrested wouldn't be on Slashdot in the first place.
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Great point, and yes it is a valid concern. While your question is "What happens to the code base?" I think the more germane question in this case is "Was the code base ever safe to use in the first place?"
/. or Google search would reveal more info. Fortunately, as far as I know they were detected in an audit of the code. The potential for abuse is out there. )
Once that one person in charge of that one project fails a test of moral turpitude so badly that they murder somebody, where do you go from there? If that person has no respect for human life, what assurances does the community have that his software is made with respect to privacy, security, and so on? If somebody is out murdering others, what does that say about the safety of using their code?
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(note: And before somebody tells me "Yes, but it's open source", I'll say that I know for a fact that rather ingenious backdoors have been introduced into open source projects in the past. I'm going on memory--a cursory
Don't even bother with ext3. It's a lousy hack on top of a 1980s-era design. That is shown by its excessive space consumption for inodes. It's shown by it's extremely long fsck times. It's shown by it's markedly decreased performance both when dealing with larger files and smaller files.
There are far better options available. JFS and XFS are the best alternatives. Both are high-quality journaling filesystems. JFS is from IBM, while XFS is from SGI IRIX. Those are both names known for their high-quality, high-performance computing systems. So it's no surprise that JFS and XFS work so damn well.
MurderFS ftw!!!
Well maybe not Reiser, but if Linus killed someone (perhaps he got ticked off or something), should he be pardoned for the better good? Or should he just be given a light sentence in a minimum security prison where he could continue coding?
You'd be surprised the amount of proprietary projects out there that "rely" on one person, or perhaps 1 person per major section.
I've heard from enough managers some conventional wisdom, that if a programmer becomes irreplaceable, fire him/her immediately.
Often, but not always, this refers to bad programming style. But there is a certain truth in it the industry must have learned from experience.
Still, I think in private industry it happens enough to this day.
It may be that I watch way too much "Law and Order" and CSI (the first one only), but unless the judge is trying to make a example out of him (like in the Fatty Arbuckle case), the circumstancial evidence is prob nothing more than hearsay about how the sister or whoever hates his guts and other stuff that is to distroy his character. Unless you have real evidence, you can't prove anything. They are prob just reaching for more info, when they have nothing at all. For all anyone knows, she left town with a boyfriend or got depressed and off'd herself, or something of that nature. Although we'd like to believe that it's innocent until proven guilty, people are judged really quickly (it's our nature).
Why should I, with no life, be overly concerned with someone else's new-found lack of a life?
A website aimed at helping to find her, Help Find Nina Reiser
Common sense is not so common
If she went grocery shopping after she dropped off the kids with him, doesn't he have a good alibi? They did find her car with grocery bags inside abandoned somewhere. It appears that the investigators were presumptuous unless there is some additional information they have that they did not release.
Just my $0.02
how in the hell is this "your rights online"?
Granted, finding a spot to post (effectively) tabloid news is hard, but YRO definitely isn't the spot..
Well, this might be a good test of the open source community. Will an open source project meet the challenge of carrying something forward after its creator/lead passes, or will the project die due to developer natural selection. If it isn't that good, or better than a competing project, will it continue to live after something like this plays out to the negative? I would like to believe that if a project shows even the potential of being something useful and beneficial, it will draw a good support base and go forward.
This isn't meant to be funny or insensitive ... but if he did do it and is found guilty it seems like he'll have a bunch of time on his hand. You know, with the long jail sentence and all. Is their a reason why he can't continue working on this project from jail? Also, working on a OSS with your free time in jail seems like it might get you some good behavior points.
It's an entirely reasonable question to ask, and the only reason this particular crime is getting attention here is the filesystem in question.
Are OSS projects that rely so heavily on a single person able to be trusted for widespread use?
Compared to a closed source project that relies so heavily on a single person, the open source project is a much safer bet.
Are concerns like this valid or is the community able to pick up where someone left off with minimal interruption to clients?
You should very much take those considerations into account. With open source, you have two advantages compared to the same project when it's closed: (1) you know who the project relies on, and (2) it is clear under what conditions the project can be continued.
You gotta consider him innocent until proven guilty though, despite the jokes.
I mean come on, what happens if he's found innocent/charges are dropped, and he decides to pop back here to make a few comments of his own? You probably won't be feeling so good then, particuarly if he lets loose about his missing wife.
A very important question.
A coworker of mine uses an indicator he calls the "bus factor" to determine the likelihood of discontinued support for a particular tool or library.
The "bus factor" is simply defined as "the number of people who have to be hit by a bus before the fundamental understanding of the underlying codebase is lost."
garethw
I hope that at least the first one will come about.
Finally, someone in open source is a bigger asshole than Theo.
I know, Microsoft have paid the police to do this, to discredit a Linux FS?
Totally, dude. Like, this one time, Micro$uxx paid this chick to be this like hardcore open-source dude's girlfriend, and like, she made him chili with peanuts in it, which he like would like totally have died if he ate it? Way of the world, man *massssssivvvee toooooke* way of the fuckin' world.
Shop as usual. And avoid panic buying.
I realize that "file" system and "life" system are anagrammatic, but the latter has very little journalling capability. However, the latter may be reformatted, with the simple act of making weapons-grade uranium available to anyone who asks for it. It can be encrypted, by bashing the viewer over the head a few times. It is also read-only, once committed to memory^w posterity.
Solomon
"Twice half-assed makes an ass whole." --Solomon K. Chang
We've all seen enough crappy investigative work to know that it's best not to speculate wildly and say things we'll all regret later and wait and see what unfolds. So for once, let's do that.
Reiser's past contributions and notoreity are why it's here. Not because of his involvement in Reiser 4.
Do doctors who use information gleaned through Nazi human tolerance testing (i.e. most of them) support Nazis?
There are lives at stake here!
Is this a case of a mail order russian who divorces once her citizenship comes in? Or what happens when some U.S. guy marries a mail order since he he can't get an American girl and she finds out he is a dickwad... but waits till she has her citizenship. If he did kill her they can rename the fs to "murdering bastard file system", or "mbfs"
Weird how Hans gets arrested the day Ext4 filesystem is released eh?
a kpm/patches/2.6/2.6.19-rc1/2.6.19-rc1-mm1/announce .txt
http://www.kr.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/
He discovered she was a beta tester for Microsoft and had Windows Vista installed.
It's pretty sad that there are fifty-odd comments here, a few jokes about coding from jail, what ReiserFS is going to be called, whether or not single-developer projects should be included in Linux or whatever, but nothing about trying to help the guy out. No calls for donations for his legal defense?
Sad, really.
the story rates as a troll.
First off, the filesystem is in no danger of being dropped due to this event.
Thats the benefit of Open Source. Where anyone who starts up a major project is typically going to be wise enough to make contingency plans upon their demise (could be a car accident, health problem etc.)
Second of all, even if he did it, it won't hurt Open Source Software reputation.There are alot of very good people. Perhaps more so in open source then in proprietary. Anyone who trys to use it in any event, against open source softare, will be admitting what an absolute jackass they are.
Third, anyone with enough sence and aware enough about teh events that have happened in main stream news these last few years regarding death and killing would know there are people with names known that are much worse then this suspicion.
Perhaps the story really should have been simply noting the arrest. There was no reason to bring up filesystems concerns.
neither, he should get the same sentence that everyone else does.
Gone!
of trying to kill off ext3!
Thank you thank you - I'll be here the rest of the week...
creation science book
At stake is the Reiser4 Code, which has not yet been included into the kernel due to what appears to be mostly political bickering over source code formatting standards. It is still in a mostly beta state, but has potential for much better performance. This, also, is GLPed, so it is possible for this to be picked up by a major player (SuSe, RedHat, etc.) or advanced team. Being that it is not yet widely relied upon, it is not much of an issue with the status quo.
Yeah but in all honesty as harsh as it sounds, no one cares about his wife. It wouldnt have even made slashdot if he werent a linux geek.
how many other murders have made slashdot...
and like i said, no offense to the family, but people are not concerned with her murder, just like you are not concerned with every other murder in the US over the last 24 hours..
The phrase "more better" is acceptable English. suck it grammar Nazis
When Jason Haas was in a car acciedent linux PowerPC suffered. But eventually others pick up and run with it. He was alright
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http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/03/24
Interesting to note the different temperment of slashdot articles 6 years ago. No jokes..
Other than his aptitude for coding, and the fact that his filesystem is one of my favorites, I don't know a whole lot about Reiserfs.
I'm extrapolating greatly here, but if he's a common geek-type, perhaps she left or ran away because he was paying too much attention to work and not the relationship - though that doesn't explain leaving the child behind. There's a comment from her divorce lawyer, so I'm assuming they were breaking up, and there is mention of physical abuse (though in divorce cases it isn't uncommon to have such accusations).
What about Hans himself, had he filed a missing-persons report? Why and how are they preventing his lawyer from reaching him? Innocent until proven guilty, but I would like to know more of the history on this.
People certainly write books while in prison, so why not code? I suppose he'd have to be given access to hardware and possibly internet access, but it certainly seems reasonable.
She probably badmouthed the GPL or something.
It should now be calld the Gacy or Speck FS
"Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell
Oh, did you mean to say that Mr. Reiser's arrest proves his guilt then?
I don't see lots of people 'making excuses' or 'justifications', I see a lot of pissants cracking jokes, and I also smell some trolls.
So the real question is, WHY DON'T YOU SHOWER, SMELLY TROLL?
Glad to see he's getting such support around here. Innocent until proven guilty.
In the last week? Two (both in the north of England). One for a free speech issue and one because of the YouTube connection.
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http://www.nbc11.com/news/10046048/detail.html
Chilling quote: "All avenues led back to Mr. Reiser being responsible."
Sounds like Hans Reiser is really fsck'ed now.
Looks like you'll be able to choose either, if he shows up in this game...
Someone mod this up. Notice Hemos's post - thoughts and prayers rather than absolute lack of concern for finding the wife and a focus on "what's the future of Reiser 4 if he's guilty". A good post would have been one that included the find Nina Reiser website.
arresting someone on circumstantial evidence ? = total incompetence.
Lets get a number of circumstantial situations that one can be arrested :
you fight with your wife, you yell "goddamit, woman", and she is struck by a lightning on the way back from the grocery - circumstantial ! you have cursed, a curse has struck !
you write a novel that involves one of the characters in a situation with s/he having a meteor hit himself/herself. 2 years later, someone in your area is hit by a meteorite, and s/he has the same hair color with your novel character - voila, circumstantial.
you go to wc in your house and your neighbor's wc gets clogged at the same time - you pay punitive damages
Read radical news here
same reiser time, same reiser channel!
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and not one has any substance or material about the case. That's sad. Just lame jokes.
Anyone have something of value? Is there any truth to these claims?
Slashdot, you suck. And to the mod who mods me down for saying so; that means you, personally.
~Rebecca
lost somewhere in the badblocks, perhaps? They should check her journal...
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It just means that the FBI needs a high level Linux hacker.
This brings up an interesting line of questioning. Are OSS projects that rely so heavily on a single person able to be trusted for widespread use?
No. It isn't. And ReiserFS isn't trusted for widespread use either (for various reasons).
If ReiserFS ever gets in the mainline kernel you can probably trust it; it would become part of overall kernel maintenance. From developments so far (and disregarding the recent events) however, it doesn't seem likely to get into the kernal proper at any time in the foreseeable future.
Trust the Computer. The Computer is your friend.
but that is rarely the case after a month...
That said, he's pretty much of an arrogant asshole and Reiser4 is crap. Why would IBM pick it up when they sponsor the totally superior JFS?
I say Reiser4 is crap from experience. It ran our system load through the roof and paralyzed us for 3 days until we pulled an all night session to move 1Tb of data to JFS, which has yet to cause a system freeze.
Acquiescence leads to obliteration
How completely selfish and self centered can you be? This man may have killed another human being and you are worried about some file system? Holy crap, do you have no moral compass.
If he did it, he doesn't have much to look forward to.
Part of me says, you are correct. The other part says: we are in the business of coding, and one of our projects will experience some delay. These decisions will have to be made whether in these forums or in a boardroom. That is reality, and one should be prepared to deal with worst case scenarios.
Okay you nerd, geek, dork, slimey, jerk-off assholes, you've finally crossed the line. I'm simply shocked at the that in a matter of life and death you would even think to equate the importance of this piece of software that less than .005% of the population has heard of with someone's LIFE. And don't tell me about how this article wouldn't be up if it wasn't for the software. It's common moral and journalistic decency and respect to simply report the facts and allow people to jump to their own conclusions. I think I'm going to request to have my login deleted and boycott this site. I do not want to generate ad impression revenue to support you scummy dickless douchebags and your fanatical linux agenda anymore.
I'm sure he still uses plenty of applications with a "bus factor" of 0 ;)
being vague is almost as cool as doing that other thing...
Up until posting this, hansreiser(6963) had two foes, and 375 fans. And my honest guess is that most of those 375 fans were fans because he was the ReiserFS creator, and knew very little about the man.
(I never found the man palatable, so he's been on my "foe" list for years.)
I wonder how long that fan list will be in the future, no matter how this case turns out.
That it
Regards,
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That's the beauty of open source. If Linus Torvalds were to die (Linus...not looking for you to kick the bucket!) the source code would still exist and people would continue to work with it.
I'm sure that even if the originator of the ReiserFS is convicted, if the software is good it will continue onward.
Actually no.
I can not maintain the code.
Even if I had the skills, I don't have the time. And I can't afford to pay someone who can. So no - I can NOT maintain the code if it is intimately tied to a single developer. To suggest that I can is as farcical as suggesting that OSS is more secure because many eyes are critiquing the code - when in actual practice very few eyes are involved in most of the code on sourceforge etc.
If one has a proven record of despicable behavior*, what's wrong with getting rid of him?
a) There is no God, society is rid of him
b) There is a God, it is His problem now (assuming souls, afterlife, whathaveyou).
Either way, the rest of us no longer have to deal with it.
* = this is the problem. Define this.
What happens if Linus and Andrew Morton die in a plane crash? Who becomes the new kernel "gatekeeper"?
What makes your values the norm? You just said it to make your own point of view look accepted and make me look like a crazy.
In fact, there is a substantial amount of the population that is against the death penalty.
Indeed I probably would be in a pretty fucked up state of mind if it was someone I knew, but it's not, so I can I comment objectivly.
This is very disturbing as ReiserFS is a very important part of SUSE. Perhaps he will get a lighter sentence so that he can continue work on this project.
-- -- Warning. Do not stare directly at the sun.
Really, I don't get it. The guy can be the best coder in the world _and_ be a murderer. Why does it have to be a XOR? From what I read from kernel mailing lists, Torvalds isn't the finest person to deal with. Perhaps the problem is putting people on pedestals to start with. One should respect them for their abilities, but that doesn't mean they are nice people. I mean, suppose he is proven guilty beyond doubt. Would it be right to dump ReiserFS from my machines because the writer is a murderer? The code is fine, the code has nothing to do with the murder. It seems just stupid to me thinking there is or ther should be any relationship between the two things. Am I not really trying to troll here; in my mind there is a clear separation between ReiserFS and Hans Reiser's personality, whatever it may be.
Where is that guy who'd die defending what I had to say when I need him?
The racist anti-Linux Windows-using Oakland PD is out to get Hans because he's a Linux developer.
Tell me, how many Windows developers have been arrested for murder? ZERO. I rest my case.
Well no, I'm not sure it's just case closed, end of story. In the same sense that companies tend to be concerned about hiring felons, people who use a unilaterally coded software program should be concerned if the person who coded the program is a murderer. My point was that if their character has been called into question, to rule out deliberately planted backdoors only because the code is open source is to ask for trouble.
Do it!
From TFA:
Du Bois complained today that police had not allowed him to meet with his client after the arrest. He said investigators were keeping Reiser in isolation.
Did the whole "everybody is an Enemy Combatant if we say so" thing start already and no one told me? What exactly is this "isolation" where you can't contact your laywer?
sic transit gloria mundi
Reiser is better with a lot of "small" files
He no doubt "filed" her remains (FS driven by a MEAT processor).
Nina is probably in Russia. Have they checked with the airlines? This is unbelievable.
Later, GJC
Gregory Casamento
## Chief Maintainer for GNUstep
Reference to Benevolent dictator for life.; first sentence.
Heh, benevolent? Ask Nina...
This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
You're probably right.
:/
I've written a fair bit myself.
garethw
People are complex. There brains are complex. Sometimes there is no amount of love and support that can turn a guy around.
Secondly..Prison is the worst rehabilitation... Constant contact with other violent people usually is a negative influence.
Lastly, your logic is horrible. I'll use your line of argument in another situation:
I know a smoker who is 95 years old, therefore smoking is safe.
??? Well--Are you ready to say, "point conceded?"
A Good Troll is better than a Bad Human.
...I wonder if they'll (they being IBM or associated developers) include an implementation of The Evil Bit in the next build of ReiserFS.
Informatus Technologicus
At my office, we prefer to go by the number of people who win the lottery instead of the number of people killed by a bus.
What, you don't think proprietary code projects often rely heavily on a single person? I've certainly worked on projects where if a critical team member (or even a less-critical guy with poor documentation habits) got hit by a bus, the whole thing would have tanked.
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You cannot wash away blood with blood
The two events are of completely different natures. While both are tragic, the Haas incident was, in a way, mundane; it happens to many people, on a regular basis. As such people took the mundane approach to it, which was to mourn his passing. This on the other hand is so completely out there (killer OSS nerd!!) that you can't help but see the funny in it.
Anyone can "stand up for what they believe", but it takes a very brave individual to change what they believe. - Loundry
First off, I am filled with regret over this loss for Niki's family. I hope Hans is innocent -- and I hope even more that Niki is alive. It is such a tragic situation.
When it comes to his life's work -- the code, well, honestly, the prospect of Hans' silence might HELP reiser4. Much of the issue with inclusion of reiser4 into the Linux Kernel, from my vantage, has been personal conflicts between Hans and the kernel developers. Now, the code is there and visible -- it can speak for itself. If the code has value, then distributions and companies will pick it up and incorporate it into their distributions and systems.
The open source model is different from what many corporate folks are used to... If you wish to take advantage of the technology and use it in your infrastructure, you have several options -- from "winging it" & relying on support from the development community, to purchasing a support contract from a distributor, to hiring a consultant, to hiring a full time developer -- depending upon how dependent you are on the functionality for your core business needs and the maturity of the solution.
In the case of reiser4, it is not a "mature" universally accepted solution -- you are likely in a niche that requires some unique performance advantage that only reiser4 can provide -- you are officially on the cutting edge. In this case, I hope that you are fully invested in the development community and have hired someone to support/develop reiser on a full time basis.
m6ack
-- My sig used to be pretty cool.
it might at first seem a bit strange to put the fate of some software ahead of the fate of a women, but this is a technical forum. People who might be planning to use the next Rev or use the current Rev. of the software might need to rethink that, and maybe some other group will pick up the pieces.
At least for me it seems perfectly natural to discuss the technical aspects of an issue in this forum, even when the human life/death aspect of the story is more univeral and appropriate as a topic for any other random 'chat board.'
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She left their kids at his home, then drove away, and vanished. Only the car has been found. Or at least that's what the article says. Who knows what could have really happened?
Circumcision is child abuse.
Nina Reiser is a young wtwwa (Where the white women at). I predict that Nancy Grace will start covering this story any day now. And then it'll be all Nina all the time.
That's pretty sad. I just happened to be walking around Rockrdige (an area next to Oakland) and noticed his wife's flyer. She was very beautiful and looks very sweet. I had no idea that it was Hans Reiser's wife though.
Here's the flyer:
http://www.nbc11.com/news/9948582/detail.html
One of the reasons the code took so long to make it into the kernel was that the maintainers were worried that he'd drop support for it in favor of working on the latest version. Could be interesting.
The huge difference between the story of Jason Haas and the murder of Hans Reiser's wife is in one case you have the victim of an accident as the main player, and in the other case the main person is arrested and accused of murdering his wife. In one situation it makes sense to express concern, while it might feel a little weird to express concern for the welfare of an accused murderer. I'm not trying to put anything extra into this, but the differences are not minor.
I think people feel OK, for better or worse, to tell jokes at the expense of an accused murderer.
Long ramble short? Within a week or two no executive is going to remember who this Reiser guy is, let alone that his filesystem may be powering their systems... and that's ASSUMING someone points them to this news article and they make the connection in the first place.
Ya, who wants to use a filesystem designed by an accussed murderer! :(
WTF? Who cares? The source code is open, you can inspect it yourself to ensure that it won't murder you. Yeesh. The sad thing is that you're probably right
You really should read past the first sentence in posts you're responding to... The "you" he spoke of is "plural" and "generic." Not *you* specifically. Technically he should hae said 'one' I suppose, but really - don't be a clueless ass.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge"
- Charles Darwin
...the lawsuit settlement that Reiser reached with that Sturgeon guy (the one Reiser accused of diddling his wife). If Reiser had to relinguish some, or all of his Namesys assets, it's possible that he may have had to sign over his copyrights to Reiser4. There's just not enough information available yet.
I was just learning how to install Fedora with a reiserifs file system in class today, it's amazing how fast technology becomes outdated!!
According to this Reiser lost custody of his children based on "secret information" the police have. How can you defend your rights when the evidence against you is kept secret?
The name is not tainted. Whatever one's opinion of Hans Reiser (I personally have none), ReiserFS is pretty much universally accepted as a very fine filesystem, and there's no reason why that should change.
;-)
However, having said that, it might in fact be a plus to describe it as a killer filesystem...
*ducks*
Of course it's possible that Hans really did murder his wife. However, after reading other, related news stories, it seems
that if there was any foul play, many fingers would also point toward Nina Reiser's boyfriend, who one might rightly
label "unstable," "reckless," "devious," "subversive," etc., thus making the boyfriend the most likely suspect.
Still, Hans' lack of cooperation with the police (at one point he disappears; another time he skipped a court hearing)
is also troubling.
Poor Nina. It sounds like she shouldn't have been involved with either of those men.
/lost+found ofcourse. No wait!
How can you be arrested for suspicion of murder? You get arrested for murder. The cops at least think he did it.
nothing about trying to help the guy out. No calls for donations for his legal defense?
nope, no donations and no tears.
1) he didn't do it -> he gets acquitted (the legal system still works, rrrright?). he's a smart guy so he takes the hassle as a learning experience.
2) he did it -> he goes to jail and serves his time.
i might be an insensitive jerk, but it seems to me either way your compassion and donations would be wasted big time.
And why is that exactly? People should get credit for their contributions to society, just as they are punished for causing harm to the same. Nobody is suggesting letting convicted murderers go free, but perhaps someone who led an exemplarily life - volunteer work, good parenting, clean record - until the age of 40 shouldn't spend the rest of his/her life in prison for a single murder. Certainly a person who still have a high potential to contribute shouldn't be denied this opportunity even in jail. Think of a PC/broadband setup in a cell, parole to work in a science lab, canvas and paint and so on. Would you deny pen and paper to a jailed poet?
http://cbs5.com/localwire/localfsnews/bcn/2006/09/ 13/n/HeadlineNews/HOME-SEARCHED/resources_bcn_html
"'Yrch!' said Legolas, falling into his own tongue."
You can, if you choose to do so. The code is available to you. The resources to learn the language and the environment are available to you. The license of the software allows others to work on it.
"Can" means "is able to".
It sounds like you have made the choice to spend your time on something else.
> Probably a lot of people. But, what's wrong with that? It's natural for people to think of how an event will affect them.
A lot of things are natural to me and I'm not willing to discuss them with anyone.
I hope Mrs. Reiser is ok and reappears in healthy condition, and Hans is freed, even if only to conclude his divorce. But now, there's a personal drama going on.
There was once upon a time something now clearly outmoded we used to call "tact". That is, putting empathy above personal gain considerations... I guess this kind of thinking shows my age, but we could honor this guy with a little more respect, whether or not we believe his innocence, for all his amazing techno-adventures...
I'm no saint and I have had my quota of errors, not meaning to be holier-than-thou yada, yada... but c'mon, these facts are overwhelming, let's give the guy a hand, shall we?
If the software is stable enough, how important is it? For example, gzip, bzip2, and infozip (the zip command on unix). The software does a great job of compressing and decompressing. Bzip2 is not going to stop working suddenly.
Have you ever needed support for your reiser file system? Has your file system stopped working for no reason? Now lets assume that some flaw is found in reiser that has security implications? Plenty of people will be affected by this. As long as one of them has the skillset to fix it, it will get fixed because that person will be motivated to understand Han's code.
--- Justin Dearing http://www.justaprogrammer.net/ We're just programmers.
I don't think there is any need to be pedantic here. Can you afford to run closed source applications knowing that the vendor could drop support? From a risk assessment standpoint, is it better to have access to the source code even if you could not personally do anything with it? At the very least, if the program is worth something to you, you have the option to drop some spare change into a bounty to have your problem fixed. And if the program is worth nothing to you, what difference does it make if it doesn't work for you?
A steaming cup of soykaf would be real wiz right now.
Neither tacky nor cute - the comment is simply mean-spirited and shows a complete lack of empathy... when you grow up, you'll understand...
Just this weekend there was a search for Nina organized at the park across the street from my house. The children went to a local school. These same kids have lost their mother - and if the Oakland police are correct - they'll be losing their father. My kids are exactly the same age and it causes me physical distress thinking what the Reiser children are going through right now.
Tragic.
I realize that this isn't a "news for nerds" kind of comment, but since we're into bashing each other tonight regarding each others' reactions to the news: I just feel for the kids.
Think about it: two little (?) kids just had their world collapse. Their mother may be dead. Their father may be in prison. Aside from these two unimaginable losses, the kids probably also face the uncertainty of who will raise them at this point. They're scared, and can't turn to either parent for comfort perhaps for the first time in their short lives. IMHO the status of ReiserFS inclusion is completely insignificant compared to this issue.
Suddenly Bill Gates doesn't seem to be quite the Satan that most of the Linux bigots ;-)
believe he is, does he?
neither did you.
now that you mention it, anyone notice how the friends in the guestbook say support her family and her boyfriend, but don't say support Hans, too?
They must either already believe him to be guilty, or there's enough spite involved among her friends that if he's innocent, they still don't think he should get support, just because he's the ex.
If we start buying CDs then the terrorists have already won.
SIGSEGV caught, terminating
wait... not that kind of sig.
Just a SUSE developer's (Jeff Mahoney from SUSE Labs) opinion and suggestion. http://linux.wordpress.com/2006/09/27/suse-102-dit ching-reiserfs-as-it-default-fs/
Note that it's not "dropping support for reiserfs", it's "not using reiserfs as default". You're still free to use ext3/reiserfs/xfs if you know they perform well for your workload.
Are OSS projects that rely so heavily on a single person able to be trusted for widespread use?
Not that I'm saying he's guilty, but for the sake of argument, suppose he is: Are software projects that rely so heavily on an unethical mind to be trusted for widespread use? Isn't that part of the common argument around here against Microsoft, for instance?
Moderator hint: a comment is neither "Flamebait" nor "Troll" if it is true.
...to ext3 until this is all resolved.
You are all going to hell, everyone who posted in this thread is going straight to hell, and also I will for laughing so fucking hard.
Oh noes!!!!
In fact, it's probably a bad idea to tell your CEO that his filesystems are FAT. You may lose your job.
You used to be presumed innocent till proven guilty. Since the Bush administration came to power, you're presumed whatever the government says you are till you're granted the ability to prove otherwise or they change their mind about you.
At least they don't consider him an "enemy combatant." Since they're making up legal statuses for people, and don't so much have to give the habeas corpus to foriegners (including permanent residents), you're more or less screwed if they take a dislike to you.
And, yeah, in case you're wondering, we're starting the slow slide towards fascism.
The other thing is there are some incompatibilities with the rest of the kernel architecture that haven't been fixed and the discussion always ends up with people trying to explain to Hans what has to happen and change and Hans bitching about politics and showing some benchmarks or something. It's almost an ideal example of the process of getting code in to the kernel, show the code, respond to the requests to fix it and answer questions with something other than a benchmark. In the Reiserfs3 days the same thing happened, people asked questions about reliability and the answer almost always came with some kind of number showing that rfs3 could delete a directory of 1million files faster than ext2 could. Benchmarks are nice but they aren't reliability. In some sick way I can understand the desire to respond to an unwanted request with numbers but it doesn't cut it and you can't just snow Alan Cox, Andrew Morton and the others. They are really fscking sharp, probably sharper than you are if you can't answer their questions.
I see a couple things happening, rfs4 might be picked up by some people, there is some vocal interest in it and it's always possible, Novell/Suse is throwing their weight behind ocfs2. Ext4 is underway and looks to be the next main filesystem for the masses, Redhat is putting their cart behind this horse. The other thing is more people seem to be getting involved with XFS which is already very well supported and can scale as much as we appear to need for any time forseeable. I'm not sure what SGI is doing with it anymore but other people are looking at the code and doing things with it which is a good sign. I'm not sure who will pick up rfs4, it's possible namesys could continue and it's always possible that Hans won't be charged with anything, will be freed and might keep it going; he's certainly a volatile chap though and I'm not sure he's done himself a lot of favors with the things he's said to the media so far.
Even the OJ trial doesn't represent what really happens in courtrooms.
Go sit in on a real trial sometime.
http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/8/20/95
In many law enforcement officers eyes, if they think you are guilty you are guilty. It's sad, but true. They'll chase down evidence and witnesses and whatever they need to support their case.
Real police departments aren't like the ones you see on CSI and Law & Order. Mistakes happen constantly. Most don't have scientists or real foresincs experts (actually I have yet to see a real scientist in a police department). They just have a couple people who went to a class to learn to operate the DNA and fingerprint machines. Some reports say that up to 25% of people operating these machines aren't properly trained and have wrongly put away people. Juries think that DNA evidence means you did it, when it could really mean the lab tech doesn't know what they are doing. Things are ignored and swept under the rug all the time. Lie detectors are way overused. Fake confessions due to pressure. Lying and decieving tricks in the interrogations. BTW, for those that don't know, detectives can flat out lie to you to get a confession. They can tell you they've got evidence to put you away for life and it won't be so bad if you confess. Most cops keep tape recorders in their cars and will even try to get you to say something incriminating on the ride back.
With all that going on, you have to wonder the validity of "innocent until proven guilty". Hans could have done it, but I refuse to form an opinion until some concrete evidence comes out. And even then you won't really know.
If an officer ever threatens to taze you, say you have a pacemaker.
Wow, good thing I read slashdot. I work for a Satellite TV company and I had a service call on the same block as this guys home....and the damn road had crime scene tape up and I couldn't get to my job! Well now I know what was up. 3 slashdot
Filesystems don't kill people...people kill people.
"While the disappearance (and possible murder) of his wife is tragic, Linux users will wonder where this will leave Reiser 4."
That sentence really bothers me. It should read "While Linux users will wonder where this will leave Reiser 4, the disappearance (and possible murder) of his wife is tragic."
Come on, people.
] D
Always? Explain how warehousing a worthless lump of living flesh is good for anything?
Granted you have a couple of hurdles to overcome; a) how bad is bad enough, and b) are you sure you have the right guy for case "a"? But the parent has already stipulated this to be the case.
Do you really think societies money is better spent to keep such a person behind bars than to spend it in more productive ways?
Considering the huge amount of code and media we find in computers these days I'll bet anything that if it was possible to audit the provenance of anyone computer we could easily find programs/content produced by pedophiles, murderers, scammers and even RIAA lawyers. Is that a reason to throw the computer to the garbage? I think that corporations would only throw away the code if it become and issue popular in the media, otherwise just changing the name of the project will be enough for any company.
Yahh, hiii haaaaa! -Major Kong, from Dr. Strangelove
In reply to sig Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me...
I'm using aersol hairspray all I can and I don't even have hair.
Hah, that will teach you!
IF it gets accepted into the kernel. Will it though?
There may be a better chance now than before. (I don't follow it, so this is wild speculation.) Sometimes the original developer is so possessive and difficult to work with that once his project reaches a certain stage it is more likely to be accepted if he ceases his involvement with it.
OTOH, I haven't used the Reisser file system since ext3 was released, so I don't follow it. I might have already been accepted and I wouldn't know. (OTOH, I remember SOME project recently where the people who needed to accept the code into the kernel? just refused to work with the developer. For some reason I associate this with Reisser.)
Note that FOSS code doesn't require any particular group to support it. If enough people like the Reisser file system, they can maintain it/have it maintained even without support from the kernel maintainers. Whether this happens may be as much a function of social networking as technical competence, however.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
ReiserFS will now be known as the killer app for Linux.
Well, they are divorced and if she has a boyfriend then its very likely that she has moved on. We can't really tell anything about their post-divorce relationship other than they shuttle the kids back and forth, for all we can tell from the website the custody thing might as well be a court ordered result of a bitter divorce.
So, it is quite easy to imagine a situation where their current relationship status means Hans just doesn't merit mentioning.
When information is power, privacy is freedom.
Does pulling a kidnapper off the street, depriving him or her of freedom, and locking this individual up in jail make the state "just as bad" as a kidnapper?
Somehow, I doubt it.
There are lots of good arguments against capital punishment. This isn't really one of them.
...a business executive will not likely touch anything related to that person, no matter whether it gets taken over and run by other people or not.
How many executives do you know?
It will be a very rare executive will be able to indentify linux flavors. Very few follow open source file systems and their creator's private lives. This is a geek issue, not a business issue.
~~ What's stopping you?
They looked in his journal.
Thankyou, I'll be here all week, try the veal.
but from what I've heard, Hans is a killer coder---but not THAT kind of killer coder.
No matther what happens, I'm sure reiserfs will go on as it would have before, though it'll be nearly crippled in the short term till things get reorganized. But that's not what's important right now. Many of the people reading this article likely owe at least a little respect to Hans (I'm looking at you, ubuntu users. His FS is the default) and should be doing what they can to help Hans out. Let's face it, the justice system in this country always blames the husband when a wife goes missing or is killed or something. That or an anonymous african american male, but let's not get into that arugment. Innocent until proven guilty, remember? Blaming the husband, especially a would-be ex-husband, is usually an easy way out, and if that is what actually happened then I really hope we see some conclusive proof of it, but let's please not try and turn this into another one of those court cases where regardless of the evidence, the population at large (that's aware of the case) goes into it pointing fingers and really wanting nothing more than a good show.
Hans deserves better than that.
Now in addition to calling linux a cancer and anticommercial, MS can say it is a murder weapon.
The Gospel according to lolcat
They arrested him for murder, notified the press, but they don't actually have a body?
So if they are wrong, what does Reiser get? Does he get to ask for compensation equal to the projected value of the remainder of his career, which this defamation, it could (and should) be argued, has already ruined?
That's presuming he is innocent of course. Which, of course, the law in his country requires the state to presume.
-fb Everything not expressly forbidden is now mandatory.
"On the contrary, far from being crass, the fate of ReiserFS is the only part of this sorry subject that merits discussion on Slashot. "
Does it? Here's the Cliff Notes version. ReiserFS is released under GPL. The "hit by a bus" fallacy has been debunked. The community (and code) carries on. Anything else is "lurid".
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"It's been 10 minutes since you last successfully posted a comment"...for an AC.
"Slashdot requires you to wait between each successful posting of a comment to allow everyone a fair chance at posting a comment."...unless you're logged in. But I guess people will believe anything.
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=reiserfs&m=1095355 06122706&w=2
1 78128079&w=27 5720520&w=2
Hans Reiser:
Well, I am going to try being honest and see what happens.
I am more than 170k in debt, and Namesys is doing badly fiscally. A
technical great success being stabilized now, but then there is my
ongoing fiscal disaster. Once again, we are missing payroll. My wife
is divorcing me in part because I keep going deeper into debt, and I
thank her for divorcing me now rather than later. Unfortunately she is
making the divorce messy enough to keep me from pulling Namesys out of
the fiscal tailspin by consuming all my time with things like proving I
am not making the fantastic amounts of money she claims I am. I hope
next month is better."
Others
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=reiserfs&m=108353
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=reiserfs&m=984246
Actually, its possible that this could be good for publicity, in a roundabout sort of way. I regret to say i'm not much of a linux user, so i had never heard of ReiserFS before. But since he was accused of murdering his wife, it showed up in the headlines, and it piqued my interest as to why it was of so much consequence. No publicity is bad publicity as they say.
You have stated one of the fundamental problems with the jail system in the US - the attitude of "heaven forbid that prisoners should be uncomfortable in jail." It would depend on where the hypothetical criminal hypothetically gets sent, but I wouldn't be surprised if inmates had internet/computer access. There's a difference between how things should happen, and how they do.
You all have Oo.o and Firefox, so get World Wind.
It is not about the business people. It is about ReiserFS being tainted amongst the moral-conscious geeks. They'll stop implementing ReiserFS in their Linux boxes because it is closely related to an accused murderer.
After all, open source/free software is an ideology to some. They will not use a piece of software that limits one's freedom, nor will they used a piece of software created by someone who has severely limited another person's freedom, i.e. murder.
Why does everyone forget this cornerstone of the legal system, an accused person is innocent unless proven guilty. It is very easy to accuse someone of something bad, but the accusation alone causes a lot of damage to reputation.
This doesn't change what I think of Hans Reiser at all. If he's convicted of murder, that's different, but nothing like that has happened. A husband is a natural suspect in such a case. I hope that his wife is OK, but I have no reason to believe that Hans is responsible.
When I was in highschool, our principal was accused of sexual misconduct due to some activities that allegedly took place with a student. This shocking accusation made the news, and all the parents were horrified. But very few people went to the actual trial, and when the man was acquitted it did not make the news. Give everyone their chance and let the legal system do its job.
he is proven guilty that he killed his wife.
Reiserfs ain't THAT good.
I can deal with anything else basically.
That all being said, maybe I am just out of it, but I had not heard of her even being dead. On slashdot and other internet sites you would think it would be better news.
http://linux.wordpress.com/2006/09/27/suse-102-dit ching-reiserfs-as-it-default-fs/
I don't want to read
I don't consider killing someone found guilty of killing another human being murder. I've long considered murder as the killing of an innocent - the unwarranted and unlawful killing of another.
You might disagree with me on this definition, but I frankly have little problem with the state executing murders. And you might think that murderers can be rehabilitated, and I'm sure that some very well may be able to be rehabilitated. Unfortunately, just because a murderer can be a "productive member of society" (I guess killing someone was productive) doesn't mean they should be. I don't trust murderers to be members of my community - if you can't figure out that making the ultimate bad choice is bad before you do it, I'm not convinced you'll be any better off making the right decision a second time.
So how is that different from a small company that sells filesystems? If the company goes belly-up, not only do you lose support, but if the code is proprietary, you lose the possibility of there ever being anyone else able to support it. There are no guarantees when it comes to dealing with companies, any more than there are when you're dealing with people. People can die at any time, and companies can close down at any time.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean there isn't an invisible demon about to eat your face
Aforementioned website here
You will be missed....
Apparently Reiser not only deletes files, but wives, too.
-R
He may now have a full 24 hours a day to dedicate to releasing the next version of ReiserFS ;) Well, maybe 23, you've gotta spend a little time "dropping the soap".
I've ext3fs on my Linux, but if I had ReiserFS, I can guarantee it wouldn't affect me whatsoever. Anyone who equates an invention with someone's unrelated deed is a retard (anyone wanna Godwin this with reference to the Autobahn? Go ahead, I don't give a shit). And besides, he hasn't even been found guilty. Get off your high horses, people.
He's the one accused of murdering her! Without there even being a body or obvious evidence she's dead! (Or at least not that we've been told)
Also, I can't imagine that all of her friends were made only after the divorce. Surely some people knew them both.
If they don't want to support him at least until there's real evidence otherwise... bah! That's heartless.
Mostly people use fan vs foe to give automatic +5 ratings to comments. It's not a character judgement.
"What about his ideas in his head for the future of Reiserfs? Or those GPL'ed too? Or are they doomed to be locked away forever (or for so many years that it won't matter) along with his body in prison?"
Read a slashdot patent or copyright story sometime. According to the comments you can't lock ideas away. Apparently we're so overflowing with them.* People keep tripping over them (the "obviously" patented ones anyway). Now if you'll excuse me, I have some tapiers to light.
*To the point that "artists" are supliferous. Knee deep in good ideas, I tell ya. Shame someone else has the money to make something of it.
Since when do reputable software vendors just drop support for their product out of the blue without any notice or suitable upgrade/replacement?
"Ask not what your country can do for you." --John F. Kennedy
If Hans Reiser were less well-known -- or were involved in a non-Linux project -- maybe the story would have made Slashdot when his wife first disappeared, rather than when he was arrested for her murder.
(Obvious disclaimer here: I still hope she's alive and all right; I hope he wasn't involved in anything nefarious; and I hope everything works out for the best as soon as possible, and the children do not end up traumatized.)
As a person who helped Hans Reiser get some sponsorship in his early days and an early adopter of his filesystem in major corporate use I never would have expected something like this. It's a disaster for him but there isn't much we can do about it at this point aside from debate his innocence based on zero information. So what about Linux? Even if he turns out to be innocent (and I hope he is) the name is tarnished and the filesystem will probably languish. I was expecting reiserfs4 to be an important part of the future of Linux and Free Software's answer to WinFS. Now what will we do? We all know it takes ages, years even, to design, implement, and test a filesystem. XFS, JFS, ext3, etc. are nothing like reiser4 and lack it's capabilities. WinFS will someday be ready and will someday ship. And with this setback for Free Software the proprietary world has a huge head start over us.
:(
This is certainly a disaster for everyone involved.
A person like Hans, who has the intelligence and persistence (no pun intended) to put together a complicated and successful OSS project is smart enough to know that there's no way in hell he's going to get away with murdering his wife with whom he is waging a custody battle. He is immediately flagged as the prime suspect. If he had time to plan, he had time to come to this realization. Ergo, he did not premeditate this murder. If it were a crime of passion, the cops would have a much better case against Hans already as he would have made more mistakes and left behind more evidence. Ergo, he did not commit this crime on a whim. No premediation, no crime of passion, not guilty.
"I threw up my hands in disgust and wondered if it had been such a good idea to have eaten my hands in the first place."
Yeah. For instance, OJ got off because he's famous. To quote Chris Rock, if OJ drove a bus, he'd be Orenthal the bus driving murderer. ACtually, I think prisons should be for rehab where possible and isolation when necessary. This pretty much makes your value to society irrelevant.
"We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
It wouldn't be the first time that ReiserFS has been under suspicion because data went missing, presumed corrupted.
It is so annoying that ever time some quasi famous person who did work that affects other people or had half published books or something gets wacked or arrested or whatnot there is always the nagging, penetrating, insanley annoying keepers of the morale trying to make themselves look good and richeous by pointing out the personal tragedies and making everybody else look curel for not really giving a rats ass about the personal fate of somone they never met or knew but rather beeing conserned about the work they did and what will happen to it now because this actualy has an influnece in their lives.
Go home naysayers! Shut your pieholes whiners! I dont care about the children or the wife! Worse things happens to people every day! C'est la vie! It is not every day we stand at the brink of loosing such a major contributor and contribution to OSS.
When in danger, whewn in doubt! Run in circles, scream and shout!
"That it /is/ going to damage reiserfs is beyond any doubt, no matter whether he's proven innocent, not proven guilty, or proven guilty. The name is tainted, and a business executive will not likely touch anything related to that person, no matter whether it gets taken over and run by other people or not."
More, please! That is _the_ funniest thing I've read in a while.
Show me again a suit that knows what sort of filesystem their mail server is running and I'll retract this statement.
What a stupid comment.
This story has "Greta" written all over it.
You go Girl!
Nina . . . the next Lacy Peterson.
Guess it's ext3 for me from here on out
...but I will not use the filesystem of a murderer (if he's found guilty). It's just sick.
geek => did they kill "the code"?
I didn't think to send in this article when I read it about a month ago. Basically, it talks about the disappearence of his wife. This is honestly one of the most fucked up news stories I've ever read -- read on about the part regarding "death yoga". http://cbs5.com/topstories/local_story_256204954.h tml
No comment.
I'd venture to guess Alan Cox... he was Linus' right hand for years until deciding to take a break from kernel maintenance and development to get his MBA and has since returned.
because it will be sent to my kill file.
I found the question about the future of ReiserFS absolutely appropriate for a Slashdot article, especially since as another poster pointed out, if it weren't for ReiserFS, this wouldn't be on Slashdot at all.
Other people seem to disagree, saying it's insensitive to discuss such things. I find that to be an absurd and immature attitude. I think most of the off-color jokes were in response to exactly this: the idea that discussing the future of ReiserFS is inappropriate is so childish, that we'll throw in a similarly-absurd off-color joke, because the discussion has already been lowered to that level.
When you lose someone close to you, of course you grieve for them, but if there are mundane day-to-day issues that need attention, you deal with them, postponing your grief if necessary. In this case, most of us don't know anything about the Reiser family personally - I'd be surprised if more than a handful here were aware of Nina's disappearance. It's tragic, but no more so than the millions of other tragic deaths that occur each year, unless you had some connection to the family, which we don't.
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He is speaking in the plural as well. We don't have the time. We don't have the skills. We don't have the money to pay those who do.
After reading that article I scrolled back up to the top to find
"Posted by Hemos on Friday March 24, @09:11AM"
I, like several before me I'm sure, have found myself asking (in Kyle Reese style) "WHAT YEAR?"
I managed to work it out from the URL but wouldn't a year field in the timestamp be nice for these archived articles?
"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
Perhaps he was finally done in by the ultimate geek nightmare--- building a beowulf cluster, not even you can control.... And having it turn on you, and frame you for murder. Maybe I shouldn't add that extra node...
Who cares about a lil murder? I think his productivity for society far outweighs the negatives of removing one estranged wife that was probably past her 'normal' reproductive period anyways.
I vote we let him go free, regardless.
Even if he strikes again, so long as it is some statistic and not me, I could care less.
Not a sermon, just a thought. lol.
You realise you can get the year to show up by editing your settings right?
And likewise, if there's only one user, a piece of commercial software will probably stop being maintained pretty quickly. The thing is, for any reasonably widely used piece of software, there are likely to be enough users that they can maintain the code, or pay enough for someone else to maintain it. If it's something like ReiserFS, that is included in major Linux distributions, then part of the money you pay to buy those Linux distributions (if they're commercial ones like Red Hat or SUSE) goes towards maintaining that software. It's not like you have to maintain it yourself. You have that option, sure. You also have the option of single-handedly funding it's maintenance. And other companies have the option of taking over maintenance themselves. The difference between OSS and proprietary software is that you have these options. When a piece of proprietary software is cancelled, there's nothing you can do other than try to fight the bitrot of the old software, or the headache of trying to migrate your data to a new system (if you can even access your data, which may be stored in propriety formats with no export or conversion options). Yes, it will cause problems if Hans Reiser is not able to keep maintaining ReiserFS. However, from what I've heard, his leadership of the project has also caused problems. Maybe someone will fork it now, take control, and actually get Reiser4 to a reasonable degree of quality. Or maybe not. There are lots of other good linux filesystems out there, and maybe the effort will be better spent on them. The key is that with open source, you have all these choices, rather than being forced to do whatever the vendor wants.
Actually no.
I can not maintain the code.
Even if I had the skills, I don't have the time. And I can't afford to pay someone who can. So no - I can NOT maintain the code if it is intimately tied to a single developer. To suggest that I can is as farcical as suggesting that OSS is more secure because many eyes are critiquing the code - when in actual practice very few eyes are involved in most of the code on sourceforge etc.
Most of the code on sourceforge only matters to a handful of people, and if any of them really need it after the developer(s) quit they can either maintain it themselves or hire someone to (if they really need it they'll make the time).
For a major project like reiserfs if the lead developer goes than it's important enough that it will be easy to find new maintainers. Of course these new maintainers may not be as good or as familiar with the code (as with any project) and it may cause some delays during the transition but there's no question that reiserfs will continue to exist (even if it does change names).
I stole this Sig
Dispute Over Loan, Accusations Of Affair According to filings in Alameda County Superior Court, a notice of settlement was filed on Hans Reiser's behalf Wednesday to resolve a lawsuit filed against him by Sean Sturgeon on Dec. 30, 2004, seeking $131,552 in damages. The terms of the settlement weren't disclosed. Sturgeon claimed that Reiser and his company, Namesys, Inc., which he ran out of his home, failed to pay back a loan. In a response to the lawsuit that was filed on Feb. 15, 2005, Reiser, acting as his own attorney, said "under no theory of liability is defendant Reiser liable personally for repayment." Reiser alleged that Sturgeon "had been having a secret affair with defendant's wife, Nina Reiser, at the time of the loan." Reiser said Sturgeon "continues this illicit affair even during divorce proceedings currently in action" and that Sturgeon "even apparently is, in defiance of a court order, residing with defendant's wife and children." Reiser also alleged, "It is well known and was well known to plaintiff (Sturgeon) that the majority of the allegedly loaned funds were spent exclusively by Nina Reiser." Reiser said the fact that Sturgeon didn't name Nina Reiser as a defendant and named him as an individual "is clear evidence of his malicious intent to destroy defendant's marriage and leave the defendant to clean up the wreckage and pay the debts." In a cross-complaint that Reiser filed against Sturgeon on Sept. 8, 2005, Reiser said Sturgeon acted as his financial agent from 1999 through 2002 and had access to and control over deposits, withdrawals and funds at the Patelco Credit Union. Reiser said Sturgeon "worked with my wife Nina Reiser and eventually drugged her with ecstasy and seduced her." Reiser alleged, "He then engaged in Bondage, Domination, Sadism and Masochism techniques and continued to redrug her repeatedly over time." He said Sturgeon engaged in those techniques "in an effort to show that he was a better man than I and to convince my wife Nina to conspire with him to steal the Namesys Inc. company assets." Reiser alleged that, "Sean has threatened to have me beaten up by some of his associates in illegal activities and that he would hurt me, my mother or my children if he did not get what he wanted." He also accused Sturgeon of engaging in extortion by threatening to make calls to the Internal Revenue Service to report him and his mother. In addition, Reiser alleged that Sturgeon wrote into a contract that Reiser must participate in "Death Yoga," which he said has the purpose of "slowing down one's heart to the point of death." Sturgeon's attorney, Richard Meier, didn't return a phone call today seeking comment on the case. Reiser's attorney, Gregory Silva, declined to comment.
What kind of good karma? If you literally save the world, perhaps the society doesn't have the right to imprison you for a single personal crime, no matter how much people condemn you privately. In more common cases, juries already consider character testimonies to decide on death penalty and judges impose sentences based on prior criminal background. In any case, why should society punish itself by not making use of someone's extraordinary abilities even as that person is being punished?
There is only "very expensive to replace."
Whether that expense is in time, money, labor, or all three is besides the point. It can be done, just not cheaply.
[Fuck Beta]
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Isn't there some kind of immunity for authors of large open source projects?
Get over it. Yeah, he's black, and his wife was blonde. So what? Why do you care more than any other stupid murder of someone you don't know.
There are several stories that talk about secret evidence, like this one:
DuBois said that at a hearing in Alameda County Superior Court last week, police officers said they had evidence against Hans Reiser but said they couldn't share their secret information with Reiser or the court
I can not maintain the code.
I doubt you can tie your own shoes.
How we know is more important than what we know.
Almost as classy as putting it in Your Rights Online. As in .. you have the right to remain silent?
sulli
RTFJ.
I am waiting for someone to say "See what open source programming does to you?. He must be a communist terrorist."
Another disturbing thing is you'll see in many of these articles that the police claim Reiser was the last one to see his wife. However, the facts of the state that she went shopping after she left his house; her car was found with the groceries she bought. Clearly then, he was not the last person his wife, as the checker at the supermarket obviously interacted with her.
I dont see how the story works: she drops the kids at his house, she goes shopping, and then..how does he end up killing her? He has the kids with him..at home..she's on the road. When does he have the opportunity to kill her?
I actually think the interesting question is to why you assume that this is not the case for proprietary software. They may not admit to it, but there are plenty of companies out there who would be totally screwed (or at least individual projects would be screwed) if their lead developer was hit by a bus.
This gives an entire new meaning to the term fatal file system error.
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I hear he hid the body in the trees...
I have discovered a truly marvelous
After this, how could ReiserFS not be the default Linux filesystem? I mean, come on, what's the worst that can happen if Linux dumps Ext3?
You're assuming that people can actually read Reiser code. It's scary, and it doesn't really conform to Linux conventions. I don't particularly think Hans Reiser cares at all about Linux or its users; it's just a convenient playground for testing his filesystem code, and it comes with a whole bunch of schmucks who will test it for free.
From my own experiences on lkml and reiserfs-list, I would guess he is innocent.
Is he an arrogant asshole sometimes? Yes.
Does he have a bit of a temper? Yes.
Does he take things personally far too often? Yes.
Does it surprise me that he's divorced? No.
I would be surprised (happy, but surprised) if he was still married. But I would be shocked if he killed anyone.
Shocking things do happen, every day. I have no way of really knowing, but until we know more, I call him innocent.
Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
That's actually the problem. Your average PHB indeed doesn't know jack shit about the difference between ReiserFS or FAT, or between Java and Visual Basic. So he'll take that kind of decisions not based on their actual merits, but based on rumours, over-simplified half-truths they half-understood from some IT-for-managers ragazines, fashion, and what the nice MS/IBM/whatever salesman filled their head with during a round of golf.
I've seen people actually take such stupid decisions as "let's use a single-user database and just copy the database file on the department's file server", in that case MS Visual Fox Pro for a reason as stupid as "Visual Fox Pro is more visual than Java". Once the nice MS salesman showed them some dragging and dropping buttons around (and, as everyone knows, there's nothing else to programming an app than dragging and dropping the buttons on forms), any other considerations like concurrent access, transactions, available tools and libraries, etc, went right over their head.
So the danger is precisely that at some point a nice salesman shop drops by and goes "whoa, you guys run SuSE? Did you know they paid a convicted murderer to develop their filesystem? Every time you save your powerpoint presentations on that file server, you have an innocent's blood on your hands, not to mention all over your neatly formatted presentation. Now if you upgraded to Vista Super-Professional Snake-Oil Edition, you'd show your support for the Bill and Melinda Gates Charity and be _much_ more fashionable among your peers."
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If it's something with a wider base of interest and multiple contributors than ya it usually can continue on, though perhaps at a much slower pace. However sometimes things do die with their creator, even if OSS, because nobody else has the willingness and/or skill to continue it. If the code is open there's always the ABILITY for someone to pick it up, but that doesn't mean that someone will.
Two years ago I used to live on that block of Exeter drive... no joking!
Note that this guy is very smart and very cockey. This isn't Scott Peterson making anchor weights in his garage. The standard interview isn't going to do the trick with this guy. If he did do it I bet he thought of a special way to get rid of the body. And now we have OJ going to LUG meetings. Same deal even if he didn't do it.
Plenty of smart people commit stupid crimes. In the case of murder emotions are probably the most common reason. Stress, rage, whatever, emotions get the better of logic and there you go. Also just because you are computer smart doesn't mean you are street smart. I know many people with domain specific intelligence that are morons when it comes to everyday life. Worse, a number of them suffer from what I call SMITU, Smartest Motherfucker In The Universe, syndrome. Basically because they are so good at their field (or at least they think they are so good) they think they are really smart in general, WAAAAY smarter than the rest of us plebeians. This can lead to situations of thinking they can get away with something because they are so convinced of their intellectual superiority.
Though smarter people are perhaps less likely to engage in crimes, at least petty ones, because of an ability to find gainful employment, it doesn't stop them from committing crimes.
This just prooves that OSS is only for MURDERERS and other criminals!!! This message brought to you by Microsoft. Buy our crap.
You are running too narrow a risk assessment. The reason is that there is often a big disjoint between an OSS and commercial project. If all other factors were equal, yes having code is less risk than not. However they often aren't. Suppose you have two solution choices:
1) A commercial product from IBM. It costs $500 up front, not cheap but you can afford it as a small firm. IBM guarantees to support it for at least 5 years.
2) An OSS product that does just as good a job. No charge, however there's just a single guy that works on it, nobody else has really shown an interest. You don't have any programmers on staff.
Now in this case, the OSS product is drastically more risk. Why? Well while it IS possible that IBM could go out of business or could decide to break their contract (illegal by the way) it is extremely unlikely. They are a massive organization and the possibility of them failing anytime soon is next to none. However what happens if the OSS guy dies or simply loses interest? You are stuck with a product you can't update.
Well now you have to hire someone to do it for you. Thing is, that shit doesn't come cheap. No, that bounty system isn't very realistic if you want real, timely support. You'll have to hire a contractor (individual or more likely firm) and that generally will run in the range of 5 figures.
Having code may make you feel warm and fuzzy, but unless you have the resources to do something with it, it really does nothing.
May the Maths Be with you!
Can I convince you to show up and post that every time a story is submitted about death/murder? ;-)
But how is this classified under "Your Rights Online"?
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It's not a law private citizens must follow. What it means is that the state is responsible for presenting evidence of someones guilt. If they can't do that, the person walks free. While you have the right to defend yourself (and have a lawyer assist) to try and poke holes in the state's case, you needn't actually do so to be found innocent. The burden is on the state to prove your guilt.
Outside of a courtroom, it has no legal force. You as a private citizen are free to believe and express whatever you wish. You can even believe someone guilty after they have been found innocent in court.
The law is only applicable to how trials proceed. In some countries, it's not the case, the state needs to do nothing but charge you. If you can't present evidence of your innocence, you are convicted.
Also people in this case are not unjustified in assuming foul play was a part. It is extremely unlikely that a woman would simply leave her child, and even more unlikely that if she were alive the massive manhunt (there was on in this case) wouldn't turn her up.
By the way, OJ Simpson was found not guilty in a criminal court. However you'll find few people that believe that's the case. Just how it goes. Courts are the final say legally, but people have a right to their opinions.
Sounds like something Intel would come up with.
The cartoon "Everybody loves Eric Raymond" had a take on the affair:
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http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/so-i-marr
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His name isn't tarnished at all. Not yet. He's been arrested. On circumstantial evidence. So what?
As far as I can tell this really is no big deal in the US. Let's not forget this is the country that arrests 12 year olds and drags them before the judge in chains for losening their litttle sisters pants and sitting them on the pot. I'm sure many still remember that little swiss kid and the uproar the bizare american legal system caused throught the world when that happend. So, no, being arrested shouldn't be a big deal at all.
Back to Reiser: Innocent until proven guilty. Ring a bell? It should even still apply in the US at most times. Unless they find his wife dead and the evidence that he killed her his name shouldn't be tarnished a bit. She's probably just off and undercover with that other guy and will turn up in a week or two.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
Because it's not really fame that does it, as much as money. In a strong circumstantial case (meaning that there's no direct physical proof someone committed the crime but plenty of good indirect evidence) the outcome is highly dependant on the legal team. Come to the table with a public defender, you are likely going to jail. Come to the table with three, multi-million dollar lawyers, chances are they can figure out ways to poke enough holes in the case that there's reasonable doubt.
Now of course maybe the case against him is really weak, but then status is irrelevant, unless his lawyer sucks he's likely to walk. However if it's a solid case, then it mostly comes down to the quality of the defense team and the quality mostly comes down to money.
This is all assuming of course that they don't have direct evidence. Generally then you are screwed. A good lawyer can convince a jury that the string of coincidences the state presented are just that: coincidences, or at least not certain enough to be beyond a reasonable doubt. However if there's direct evidence, like your finger prints on the gun that killed someone, you are done unless your lawyer can find a way to suppress it.
There are plenty of suitable replacements. ReiserFS was becoming irrelevant anyway, it had scalabilty issues and Hans seemed to have lost interest in fixing it. If a free/OSS project that really is crucial stalls, then invariably it gets picked up. For an example look at how X.org forked off XFree86, and that wasn't even "dead" it just had a ridiculously protracted development process.
http://www.ninareiser.com/inthenews.html
The first link I followed is interesting, too - it says that Hans didn't talk to the police for the whole time his wife was missing, because he was upset that they searched his house...
... many of the Amish actually attended his funeral and mourned his death./ 10/07/national/a191914D02.DTL
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006
I can't preach to anyone here about hate and revenge myself, due to my past reactions to things, but what those Amish people did really impressed me. Any members of the phoney religions of peace on here(you christians, muslims, jews, etc...) might want to take some notes from the Amish. I realize they are a christian sect, but their EXAMPLE spoke to me louder than the millions of words I've heard come from christians(or the other two "religions of peace"). If all religions did their preaching that way, they'd make the world a better place, instead of the shithole they seem bent on turning it into in the name of their "faith".
You fail to realize the poster was not referring to you specifically.
Very few eyes involved in reading most of the code? Compared to what, closed source software? Again, you fail to realize the actual point at hand. The point is that you can, if you are so inclined (and yes, people are inclined). You are obviously a user, which is quite a bit different from a coder or contributer. You are not expected to look at source code or even care about its existence.
They call me the wookie man, I guess that's what I am
Let's see some evidence. I'm interested too.
WTF has this got to do with my rights on line?
Well, IMO (at least some) companies are susceptible to the same problem: key person dies and project ... is in deep problems.
Yes, companies (especialy big ones) can throw other people and money at the problem but in such cases customers would be maybe far better off if they were just given the source code. Rather than accept "improvements" or "fixes" done by people which do not understand the code, were not willing to work on it and did so under threat and pressure.
But yes, companies with more that one guy for the problem are supposed to better handle such loses of individuals. It costs, but it is ussualy good idea to be "insured".
So at the end it's only the question of whether you (I, whoever - as customer) want to be "insured" and willing to pay for it. :)
hany
This is a good idea. Instead of asking him to code, simply force him to code, it's prison, and if he is a murderer, he owes society. So do the other prisoners, and if they are allowed to code, it would be a lot cheaper than paying people in India to do it. The money generated by their code could be used to pay for upgrades to their prison.
Yeah, but is it understandable?
Some device drivers in the Linux kernel are so obscure that you can't be sure that it won't try to insert its floppy dick into your anus.
Yeah, it's like giving a teenage boy a home arrest without taking computer from his room: he can than play games and surf all day long.
Assuming a lot of teenage boys like playing games and surfing the Net on computer it would be realy "awfull" for them to be locked in the room.
Such punishment may be considered reward and then, what's the point of such punishment?
hany
All psychopaths, lack the capability to feel guilt, thats why they commit murders in the first place. If you murder, and it's someone like your wife, chances are you are psycho, because you are right, the average person would never be able to kill their wife because they'd feel guilt, remorse, empathy, psychopaths don't feel this.
"What do you mean by when we'll pass to the serious matters? I only come to have my computer installed and learn about Linux, nothing more!"
Guess one could say that no matter the outcome, he's really fsck'd...
so let me get this straight. You want to murder someone for commiting a murder? That makes you (or the state, rather) just as bad.
... Murder is an illegal killing, the preceding are legal. The State does have the right to kill, individuals do not except in self defense. Bad, or more accurately moral, only comes into play with respect to when the State decides to use such power. If everyone convicted of murder was executed, I'd lean heavily towards the immoral label. There are erroneous convictions and an execution can not be undone, it might be cheaper to warehouse the MF'er, the MF'er might suffer more by living, ... However, if it is an extreme case and the circumstances remove the doubt (caught in the act, DNA versus picked from a lineup, etc.) then I would lean towards the moral label.
Execution is not murder, self defense is not murder, military combat is not murder,
You know, even murderers can be rehabilitated. I've met a guy who killed his wife. He spend 8 years in prison and now he's out being a productive member of society. So long as he has a community of support, he won't commit another.
That is a highly defective appraisal, "so long as he has a community of support." Rehabilitated is when someone won't murder, regardless of a community of support. I had a Psych professor who used to believe as you seem to. His opinion changed after spending years volunteering at a state prison. He learned that many criminals simply adapt to their environment. When in prison where there is a much greater likelihood of being caught and harsher punishment they behave, when returned to a society where they are likely to get away with it they revert. Predator -> Model Prisoner -> Predator, repeat. Actual rehabilitation is rare. The problem with a murderer is that the cost of finding out if they are truly rehabilitated can be quite high. Society may be better off with murderers being permanently removed, life with no parole.
If you are a murderer you SHOULD be in a database or registry for the rest of your life. We are talking murder here, it's a permanent crime.
We don't know that 5% doesnt kill again, they might just get better at it. There is little evidence that a psychopath can change, sure they might not get caught next time, but still, they will think like a murderer.
If the worst thing a person has done was murder or rape someone, they should have it hang over their head, especially if they feel no guilt, I mean why are we suddenly soft on crime? and murder? I mean really what crime could be worse than that?
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Kids aside, the jokes sure are funny!
If other reasons we do lack, we swear no one will die when we attack
In this article the wife even posted (at a +5 comment):
Hi. This is Jason's wife. Jeff Carr told me that Jason had been slashdotted (a fact that would have him bursting with pride, if he understood what it meant right now) and I've been reading everybody's comments. I just wanted to thank *everyone* who has posted their good wishes for Jason's speedy recovery. And for everyone who has complimented me on my fortitude and humor, thanks also.
Clearly, the readers were more shocked in the article you linked, probably because there was more personal involvement, and the situation was less absurd. Also, in this case, Reiser may have killed his wife. It just doesn't feel naturall to say something like 'how awefull' when it's done by a smart guy we like. Still, the wife in your link explicitly thanked for the humorous comments.
I dont know if they need to change the FS's name if he is found guilty, but they would definitely need to change it if he has killed his wife with a RAZOR!
Yes you can say that a lot of people would murder, but some people would NEVER murder because they have empathy. It's that simple, if this story is true, Mr. Reiser had no empathy at all, and this was his wife.
Why do you believe it's normal to murder? Most people would never even consider murdering their wife, and of people who think about it, most people quickly feel guilty for even thinking about it. If a person planned it and went through with it, it's safe to say they werent feeling empathy or guilt.
Tell me why do you defend a person who could just as easily do this to you?
This is why we have life sentences. Why should anyone be released from prison for murder? And if they are released, they should be watched. It's murder, it's not robbery, it's not drug dealing, it's the worst crime a human can commit, if you arent tough in this crime, why have any laws at all?
They DO drop support eventually. And if the software vendor goes bankrupt, it may even be "out of the blue". But let us take a well known example:
Microsoft's operating systems.
Yes, they announce the end of support early. But it will come. AFAIK, Win98 is de-supported now.
There is usually a replacement, but with strings attached:
1) The upgrade is NOT free. You will have to pay for new licenses and often for new hardware, as the hardware requirements go up.
2) It is not always fully compatible. For instance, the Windows NT/2000/XP series does not allow direct hardware access by applications. Now there were good reasons for this, but if you have an old application that accesses hardware directly you are still stranded.
A somwhat unusual example of 1):
The company I work for has recently started to support networking of their Windows-based devices. When reading files from a shared directory on the network, performance suffers. The problem is caused by a custom file open dialog where a few kBytes from each file are read.
For Windows 2000 performance is (barely) acceptable, for Windows XP it is slower by a factor of 3. We have spent several days trying to fix that on the Windows side, without success. By now we also have a prototype of an optimized new software version that will perform acceptably under XP. Actually releasing it will take more work for validation and documentation.
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Would people here be trying to say that murder should be legalized then?
You make a very good point, people seem to have seperate laws for celebrity criminals, we saw it with OJ.
And if you go to the more cold-blooded end of the murder spectrum, the killers actually get smarter, and outright sociopaths are often pretty bright. However, I base that on nothing more substantial than a hunch I get from what I've read, heard, and seen over the years, so don't bet any vital organs on it.
Any system dealing in life-and-death issues will have some degree of fatal mistakes. This goes for car and airplane design, health care, traffic policy, policing, etc.
The central question in those areas is not achieving a 0 death ratio or ceasing their operation. Rather, they weigh the benefit acheived, both in terms of quality of life, productivity, lives saved, etc. against the costs, including deaths caused. In the case of capital punishment, the risk of erronous execution can be almost entirely avoided simply by staying clear of a life of crime.
Hence, I find the whole "but innocents die because of executions!" line of argumentation unconvincing. Innocents die because of virtually all areas of human endeavour.
Psychopaths have a right to life and happiness just like everyone else. Just because Reiser may have been a productive psychopath, it does not mean he had the right to kill his wife, even if she was a psychopath, she was human.
1) Software that cannot, by definition, be maintained because of a restrictive license and locked-down, secret code.
2) Software that can be supported in principle, but you don't have the time to support.
Is there really no difference? Even if code isn't maintained, it can be reused, improved, looked at for ideas, etc. I know that in reality there isn't a vibrant, vigilant community of volunteers swarming over ever snippet of code, eating up bugs and vulnerabilities like so many little scrubbing bubbles. But years from now someone could pick it up and move forward with the project, as opposed to a commercial offering that just dies forever and forever. Look at truecrypt--the E4M project wasn't being actively developed, but after it sat around for a while someone came in and used the E4M base to make Truecrypt. It may have been the same people (I don't really know) but even so, in principle it could've been someone else.
It's true that not everyone has the inclination and time to do everything. That doesn't change the fact that it's better to have the option than not.
I can only imagine the court declaring him guilty, without proof. He'll end up in prison, say Shawshank, and in it he is the quiet guy, until one day the prison director says that they need to tar the roof of a new complex and he needs volunteers.
...
Ofcourse, his good friend in prison scams the lottery, and they get the job.
Once on the roof, busy tarring, this security guard tells to the other security guard that he has just acquired a lot of important data he needs to store somewhere. But that darned Microsoft makes him store the data only on NTFS, which he doesn't trust for one bit.
This is Hans's time to step up, so he does: "Do you trust Linux ?" - he says.
So the guard throws him over the roof-end, and says "I think this fellow is asking for an accident".
Hans replies: "No wait, I can store your data on another file system, it's called ReiserFS - it runs under Linux. If you trust Linux, I can help you put your data on that filesystem".
I can see it all before me...
IIRC, there's only been one crime punished where no body was found and no other evidence. Removing items from the house is fairly regular.
:(
I wish the SFC article was more about the charge than presuming guilt - its plain to see: "estranged" (nee ex-wife), references to a missing persons website and the quote from the divorce lawyer.
Guilty until proven innocent is one of the corner stones to modern society, yet the media can take liberties with how they represent information.
(nb: i dont care who did it. but I do want reiserfs included in the stock kernel)
This is the sorta case which should get national attention, I mean this is the exact kinda case that would be on the news for months of years.
Reiser was no ordinary internet user, and his wife did not seem ordinary either. I'm surprised to be reading it on Slashdot and not seeing it on CNN.
Hans described his situation in some mails. His advanced filesystems are a great success technically, but his private life suffered a lot. He was divorced, his children taken away from him, he is in debt and Namesys is in a financial tailspin. Read it yourself:
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http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=reiserfs&m=109535
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=reiserfs&m=110443
Can you ever really be sure anyone is 100% guilty. Putting someone in prison or even just marking their record as guilty is not a fair thing for someone who is innocent. ...and I would say giving someone a life sentance is at least as bad as execution. Sure, they may get out of prison sometime, however what kind of life will they be able to lead?
There are worse things than prison. Because I was over 25 and single, the local taliban essentially made it so I would have all sorts of problems, including being poisoned. I will have kidney failure and the damage from 2 strokes for the rest of my life. I have to be chained to a dialysis machine for 9 hrs/day, and because of the strokes, I can't be active (meaning doing things like walking) for more than 2 or so hrs/day. Much less if I carry something heavy, and now anything over 10 lbs is "heavy." I didn't even do anything wrong--just tried to live my life. So I didn't go to their church. Is that and the constant harrasment they gave me fair "punishment"? Is it not worse than prison or death?
Now the US justice system is supposed to make things fair, or at least reasonable. It is designed to let people go if there is any excuse to do so, because holding or punishing someone when they are innocent is a crime in itself. So I think the question should be: If someone has gone through all the stringent requirements for being declared guilty, should they not be punished for their apparent crime? At least so long as the punishment is resonable for said crime and it is a real crime?
Jason Haas wasn't a developer IIRC. Rather, he was somebody who did a lot of the work involved in running LinuxPPC, Inc., the parent company of the LinuxPPC distribution. Development of PowerPC Linux didn't slow down a bit. The accident probably played a role in the eventual demise of that particular distribution -- I don't remember it staying around too much longer.
No body? No evidence? M$ conspiracy theory anyone?
Seriously,
What happens if Linus kills his wife and goes to prison? What happens to Linux then?
It is the general consensus in the psychological community that a conscience is something to be trained.
Don't let the gravity of the accusations prevent you from running the classic experiment with this. Ask a 5 or a 6 year old child to kill his brother/sister/pet/... (Be prepared for the situation that he might actually try to do it). You will obviously need to stop the interaction between the "killer" and his "victim" shortly after. Then ask the kid what happened. Why it did/did not do what you asked. You will be very surprised by the answers.
Child soldiers are a very clear illustration of what can happen if a child's conscience is badly trained. These children are trained to kill at an age of 5 or 6 (12 at the most) and they kill. They don't stop, they don't pause. They don't think they've done anything wrong.
Lots of people think this is related to the motivations of terrorists, where violent religious conviction takes precedence over rationality.
It's funny, because I was thinking of Godwining this thread with Nazi research. Would someone really turn down a treatment if they learned the doctor came up with it using Nazi reasearch? I doubt it. Likewise, I don't see why someone would throw away a filesystem because of an incident completely unrelated to its development.
They can rename it to CuntFS after his wife.
C'mon, you know she must have been a huge cunt if he murdered her. Cunty cunt cunty
Journaling support was not present in v1.0 of OJSimpsonFS, and the FS was selective about which events were journalled. v 2.0 was also flawed as it reported false events.
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but perhaps someone who led an exemplarily life - volunteer work, good parenting, clean record - until the age of 40 shouldn't spend the rest of his/her life in prison for a single murder.
This has got to be the stupidest goddamn argument I have ever heard.
So how many people should this paragon of virtue be allowed to murder before we lock them up for life? And are you saying you're willing to allow your hypothetical murderer get off with a slap on the wrist, as long as he or she is really this great guy?
And how do we decide who gets the benefit of being let off easy for murder? Does being able to write a great filesystem rank higher than, say, being a pediatrician? How about a minister?
If Hans Reiser did in fact kill his wife, then I don't care how great Reiser4 is, or how great Reiser5 might have been. He should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. I'm sorry if the reality of that situation inconveniences your overprivileged ass, but you'll get over it eventually.
I've heard of this great, simple test for finding out whether you are truly irreplaceable. It goes like this:
If you now see a visible dent in the water, congratulations!
Subject says it all
Slashdot should be left to rot in prison
Yeah see, I told you it wasn't as evil that it kills small children! Err No wait, it does?
My last sig was ridiculed
With your logic i could show that the space shuttle is unmaintainable. I don't have the skills to maintain it, don't have the time or money.
See some problem with that? Just because you can't do it doesn't mean others can't do it.
As such people took the mundane approach to it, which was to mourn his passing.
Dude, Jason Haas didn't die. Apart from that, I agree completely.
Switch back to Slashdot's D1 system.
Now if only he had designed a language!
Programming Language Inventor or Serial Killer?
Osama Bin Laden has been missing for quite a long time now. If a person disappearing is all that is necessary to charge someone with murder (its not IMHO, but then, there is nothing just about the justice system)...
a s ). I live right next to a military base ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Gordon ). There are at least 50 count them 50 prisons in my state alone, all hidden at the ends of roads out in the middle of nowhere of public sight in pine forests. My state, Georgia, was founded as a penal colony and from there its civil rights abuses have spiraled downwards ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_tears , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andersonville_prison , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kkk , and on and on and on ).
I think George Bush should be charged with the murder, as he's the obvious first suspect having made comments on public record to effect of wanting to catch him DEAD or alive. I believe, saying something like that against an individual, irregardless of who you are, constitutes a terroristic threat (a criminal offense) under our current justice system, and makes him suspect number 1.
Even if we can't find the body I think there's plenty of historical evidence that can be used to backup that the United States government is fundamentally a criminal organization engaged in clandestine and subversive activities driven by unbridaled power, corruption, and lies. CIA BLACKSITES, secret prisons, slander games, FALSE FLAG operations, POLITICAL SPIN, airstrikes upon civilian targets for assassination purposes, world policing, PAX AMERICANA domination, FEMA PRISON CAMPS, inhuman use of DEPLETED URANIUM in combat, and the stockpiling of ungodly amounts of weapons of mass destruction 1,000,000 times more than all the other countries on earth combined (nuclear, chemical, and biological). PHOSOPHORUS and NAPALM, AGENT ORANGE, CLUSTER BOMBS, BOUNCING BETTIES, and on an on. If my nextdoor neighbor was doing or stockpiling even a tiny fraction of the things the US government is doing behind the scenes, I'd think he was a total psycho. For real? Wouldn't you, if your next door neighbor for the last 50 years just to be macho strong experimented with chemical and biological weapons, and stockpiled them in his back yard, and was building nuclear bombs, and torturing people in his basement. You'd think he was certifiable insane. Which is what our government is. Those old farts are certifiably insane. This next election, boot every single incumbent out. Every one of them.
As an aside, all this screaming about North Korea right now is TOTAL BS. I'm not down with anybody having nukes, but the US has absolutely no right to point fingers at all at anybody. Its a case of the pot accusing the kettle of being black.
I live in Augusta, GA. Right down the road from me is Savannah River Site ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savannah_River_Site ) where they refine tritium in ungodly amounts to put into weapons to melt and cook people and vaporize them Hiroshima style. Its all business as usually. If any body is planning to kill huge amounts of people its the US government, and no court (there' own or otherwise) is going to be able to stop them.
Don't take my word for it, let Ben of Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream testify for me:
http://www.truemajority.com/bensbbs/
Down the road in the other direction is an assissin training camp ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_the_Americ
My kids are exactly the same age and it causes me physical distress thinking what the Reiser children are going through right now.
Right, so that explains why you can't take a fucking joke. You're the one that needs to grow up and learn there's a difference between words and actions. No one's telling jokes to the guy's kids, get over yourself.
If other reasons we do lack, we swear no one will die when we attack
Local Taliban?
Search the code. I was always joking you could hide a corpse in the ReiserFS code, but jeez...
Could be worse. Could be raining.
FTA: "Nina Reiser filed for divorce three months later, citing irreconcilable differences and saying their children "hardly know their father" because he was out of the country on business for most of the year, according to court records."
That's no reason to file for divorce - that's reason to stay even closer together.
ReiserFS - because wives should stay at home!
Also note that the linuxppc project seems to have died out as he retired from the project about a years after. There are apparently alternatives that work. So maybe it'll all work out one way or another, no matter what happens to the developer. Dammit, we're all dispensable, people!
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First, it is that beatiful and young woman is (propably) dead.
Second, two childrens left behind, with no real parents looking after them now. This is serious fuckup, I know how it is to live without any attention and care and love.
Third, it is stupid and sad situation for Reiser - if he is NOT guilty, then it is terrible to lost someone close (even if you are divorsing), or if he IS guilty, I don't believe any second that he planned to do this - everything is too obvious in this situation - and he did it out of passion and anger (as such happens when divorse comes - like reason of it, or outcome of it).
And yeah, Fourth - Reiser maybe have been hyping his file system, but it wasn't so bad either, it has some interesting and good characteristics, so let's see real impact on ReiserFS yet, but any improvements definetly will be delayed for some time.
So, this is definetly sad.
user@ubuntubox:~$ stfu This server is going down for shutdown NOW!
The same as usual. A beatiful russian girls who wants to live in the USA, marries to a young american nerd to obtain a residence permit. Soon after that starts cheaping on him... move along, nothing to see here.
There is only one factor - the number of people or organizations that have significant incentive to continue the work. In the case of closed source software, this is likely a financial incentive of the organization that sells the software. They will continue in order to make money. Money is a strong motivator. In the case of open source, you have to hope that enough other people make significant use of that package that there is either a person (or persons) knowledgeable, capable, and willing to continue it or that there are organizations like RedHat or Novell that see enough fincancial incentive to pay someone to take up the work. While it is idealistic to say that open source is better here, it is not likely realistic. Money makes the world go around and software that was bringing money to someone stands a pretty good chance of continuance.
Yes you can teach morality, to strengthen conscience, however conscience is something based on natural intuition that people are born with, or not. Some of us are born with the ability to be good at having a conscience just as some of us are born to be good at math, or born to be good at reading or not.
So you can teach someone without a conscience to behave, and to develop a rational conscience, it's just far more difficult to teach a person who lacks the innate ability. It's like anything else really, some people have the conscience talent and some don't. Child soldiers, you are acting as if every child would equally be a good child soldier. Most child soldiers, are damaged
and feel a lot of remorse, just later. Children generally can be trained into killing machines not because they lack remorse, or conscience, but because their conscience is not complex enough or firm enough to avoid being molded by religion.
Adults on the other hand, they know right from wrong based on experience, because they know what is rational and or irrational and it matches up with their conscience. Ethics are rational, but you don't really understand this as a kid even if you have the natural ability, you wont really know what you are doing at 5. So I agree, that we must spend more time training children in ethics, and do a better job teaching reasoning ability.
Censorship does not work, as censoring words, or violence, it does not really influence conscience at all, however it can keep your kid from being violent if they lack a conscience. At the same time when you make something forbidden you risk making it "cool" to be violent too. This is actually true, it's a big debate now in the psychology world as to how to teach conscience, and the tests have been done on prisoners with moderate success. Prisoners can be taught right from wrong, but their concept of right and wrong is narrow and based on the influence it has on themself, not the influence it has on anyone else, as they are the center of their world and you are the guest, you have to explain how it's in their best interest to act ethical and stop being a criminal. Most people CAN learn to not be a criminal because they fear going to jail. Most criminals want to stay out of jail and enjoy their lives,
problem is, it's so simple to just take whatever you want simply because you can, and it's so simple to just do whatever you want simply because you can, that you have to actually explain to people why it's RATIONAL to limit their freedoms. Easier said than done.
Moreover, you're asking me to prove things while you are, by your own admission, presenting your wild aproximate guesses as fact. You prove it.
Would this be another one of your wild guesses?
There is a high suicide rate in prison, and for people awaiting trial. And there are plenty of murder-suicides. But that's a hell of a long way from "average people almost always kill themselves after commiting violent acts". And moreover, most of the murder suicides aren't exactly average either.
Regardless of whether someone has commited a crime, most suicides are born of depression. This means that murderers who off themselve either planned suicide and decided in advance to take someone else with them (as in murder suicide, like the Columbine massacre), or else commited the crime, were driven to depression by guilt, and later killed themselves, which is not "immediately commiting suicide" as you phrased it. The impetus for self-preservation is stronger than guilt.
A killer who does not also take their own life is not a de facto psychopath, which is what you seem to be claiming.
Erotic is when you use a feather. Exotic is when you use the whole chicken.
http://www.malevole.com/mv/misc/killerquiz/
"The difference between car accidents, faulty aircraft designs and the like - is that the responsible parties are NEVER looking to go out and kill people. Indeed, they are generally trying to come up with something that reduces the risk of killing someone.
Capital punishment, on the other hand, is designed to kill people - not avoid it. The innocent man on death row is being deliberately put to death by society."
Couple of points:
- The innocent man is not being deliberately put to death by society, but is rather mistakenly put to death by society.
- " Indeed, they are generally trying to come up with something that reduces the risk of killing someone."
Sometimes. Sometimes they are trying to shave time off travel at the cost of a slight increase in deaths per year. (Or some similar scenario) In any case, most areas of social endeavour has some acceptable level of deaths caused. To apply a zero-tolerance standard to capital punishment is thus inconsistent, and most likely driven by other motivations. (Revulsion at deliberate killing, etc.)
"I may have invented it, but Bill made it famous" - David Bradley, inventor of Ctrl-Alt-Delete system restart
C'mon, the guy killed his wife for chrissake. In some countries, they give you coupons for doing that.
She probably told him he types too loudly on the keyboard or something. "Hans, that noise is keeping me awake. Will you turn off the computer and come to bed?"
You are welcome on my lawn.
This oughtta be good ;-)
we see things not as as they are, but as we are.
-- anais nin
Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, Chef's attorney would certainly want you to believe that Hans wrote bad fs code some years ago. And they make a good case. Hell, I almost felt pity myself! But, ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!
Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, [approaches and softens] does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests.
This comment was spectacularly stupid. The only possible response is: "Bill Gates was caught speeding once. People who use Windows are a traffic hazard."
Hans' wife is dead
o Hans is guilty
o He probably had his reasons
o He got help from OJ Simpsons
o hmm I forgot the last option
Maybe Reiser just dropped her inode by accident as it sometimes does. Did the police try to use the "rebuild tree" commandline param?
-- Patrys
How about a +10 BLOODY OBVIOUS!!!!
And how many japanese died after nagasaki?
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
What, so Mr.Reiser (alledgedly) killed his wife "for fun" now, is it?
You're beginnning to sound like a total wally now.
There are plenty of killers out there - in the armed forces, in the police services, executioners etc - it's not as uncommon as you seem to think. Legal killers wouldn't necessary class themselves as psychopaths lacking empathy, but that doesn't make what they do morally right in my opinion.
>being reviewed by enough people
Let's hope no-one missed:
#include
#include
#include
I want a list of atrocities done in your name - Recoil
Erm,I said Reiserfs. Reiserfs is already part of the kernel. Reiser4 isn't, yet.
Explain how warehousing a worthless lump of living flesh is good for anything?
That's the point. Prison ought to be about punishment and rehabilitation. However, if the State sees the offender as "a worthless lump of living flesh" then there's not likely to be any effort to rehabilitate, is there now?
As for Capital punishment always being wrong - it has to be. You can split hairs over legal definitions of murder, homicide, manslaughter etc but the bottom line is, if the action of killing a human being is morally wrong, how is it morally right for you (or the State in your name) to kill the killer?
And don't try telling me that there is no moral basis to homicide law.
He caught his wife using ext3.
Whoever modded the last post "troll" didn't read the subject line. The comment was probably meant in jest, but raises an important issue: whether or not we believe it is morally sound to use a murderer's code is not as important as the effect it has on the popularity of Linux under the fire of smear campaigners.
It's the classic word-of-mouth rumor spread: "Linux's file system was programmed by a murderer", to "some part of Linux was programmed by a murderer", to "parts of Linux were programmed by a murderer", and finally: "don't use Linux, I heard it was programmed by a murderer."
Even if Reiser is not convicted, it may be wise for the project to be distanced from him, or not used. Not for technical or moral reasons, but political ones. Yes, it's a pain in the ass, but his code could damage Linux's fragile reputation even as it improves its already superior filesystem.
I doubt you have the wit to keep a civil tongue in your head.
Hey, this is easy *and* fun!
It's official. Most of you are morons.
Nobody does? Really? IBM? Novell? Noone? I somehow doubt that...
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge"
- Charles Darwin
If I could mod you up I sooooo would. But yes, you are evil! :D
...inspector Columbo?
he will have the time to work on the code cosmetics and make it accepted by the kernel crowd...
That being said, I really hope that:
- he didn't marry that russian chick because she hunted for financial wellfare.
- if he didn't kill her, that she is fine.
- If he did kill her, and she deserved that, that they never prove anything...
After all republican "legal" manuevers and s*itload of corpses that resulted from them, I really couldn't care less for one more dead body...
It's better to be the foot on the boot than the face on the pavement. ~~ tkx Kadin2048
Anyone else have another estimate?
Once again, I said the prison population, not the general population. It's impossible to measure the general population unless you can test every single person in the general population and even then it's not going to be the same as the prison environment where you can test and then see people in action.
But who knows, I could be wrong about this you know. If you have so much faith in humanity, and if you believe only 4-5% of the population are psychopaths, then the world should be filled with compassion and empathy, and unity should be just around the corner. I don't really have much faith in that. I'm sure it's over 4-5%, but it might be less than 20%, even if it's 15%, it's high enough that we all know people like this.
I read the 20% number in a book by Robert Hare, you should be able to find his site online somewhere. In general, the number is for the prison population. However if 20% of prisoners think like this, well you know that a lot of people outside of prison think like this, certainly more than 5% in my opinion, but maybe less than 20%. I'm sure you know some people who think just like the profile says, and no not everyone is psychopath who thinks like this, psychopath is specific for the lack of empathy. Sociopath however is also lack of empathy, but a sociopath is more likely to be a businessman blended into society and not a criminal. Then you have a range of disorders which can produce symptoms which cause psycho behavior but which are not technically because yeah, under enough pressure or stress anyone an act like a psychopath, this has been proven.
You put people in a situation that is just right, and they'll lose empathy, even if just for a short while, they'll still feel guilt, but empathy can be paused.
Fed up with her growth only resizing he set out to send her tail packing, cutting her brake lines and sending her next drive careening into a B+ tree. The police found the vehicle covered in leaf nodes.
The MansonFS was quietly renamed to NTFS and has many loyal cult followers the world over.
Most followers know it is wrong and swear at it while at the same time defending it. This at the same time while the top guy continues to commit crimes all over. Sadly, he is found guilty and able to skip it.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Make him stay outside in the sun and force him to work for EA.
"In the game of life, someone always has to lose. To me, if life were fair, that someone would always be Oklahoma." -DKR
Well, your argument isn't much better:
"He should be punished to the fullest extent of the law."
Wow, that's a great argument, dude.
It's only slightly better than mine:
"Go suck cock, because that's what you should do."
I don't know if Hans Reiser is guilty or not. I hope and assume that he's innocent. One thing is certain though, Slashdot crowd should not jump to any conclusions, let the due legal process run its course.
I'm surprise though that I've not seen even a single comment suggesting to help Hans with his legal defense. Surely, for all the good he's done over the years contributing to FOSS, there'll be more than a few people willing to donate some money to help him in this difficult time.
Perhaps guys from Namesys could organize some fund raising?
Both quotes are by you, Elucido. See the problem with this?
If you'd meant the prison population was 20% psychopathic, then you wouldn't be suggesting exes, bosses and the like as potential psychos in the first quote, unless you meant to imply that my boss is an ex-con. If you meant to say 20% of the people in prison are psychopathic, then say that, and don't give confusing examples.
And I didn't say that the number of psychopaths in the general population was 4-5%. The high number I found in under five minutes was 1% of females and 3% of males (which would mean 2% total). Now, is this figure accurate? I have no clue. But I utterly refuse to believe that 20% is even remotely possible in the general population.
It does sound possible for the prison population however, so I will cede that point for the sake of arguement. However, that also means that a whopping 80% of the people in prison are not psychopaths. In other words, 4/5 convicts would presumably feel guilt or remorse. In a thread that started on the subject of rehabilitation, I'd say that's important.
That is incorrect. You can never know with total certainty, but random sampling can give you a close enough margin of error that you know to within a percent or two. This isn't exacly a revelation; we've been using statistics to estimate how many of X there are in the general population for a very long time. It isn't perfect, but it doesn't have to be in order to be good enough.
Depends on what assumptions you're working from. For example, I've seen the arguement made that ex-cons have a higher rate of sociopathy than people entering the prison population. That could imply that a penal environment breeds sociopathic/psychopathic tendancies. A person subjected to 10-20 years of prison life isn't going to be as mentally healthy as he was when he went in. Additionally, the rate of addiction and substance abuse rises in prison - that could be a contributing factor.
One could also argue that using the prison population as a barometer for the mental health of the general population is unwise.
Erotic is when you use a feather. Exotic is when you use the whole chicken.
First off, nearly all OSS projects that get popular rarely have one person working on it. Even Reiserfs has a number of coders working on it.
Lets assume that it is one person. If so, then it is either un-popular or it is a small project. If it is un-popular, and you need it, then you can do it or pay somebody because you have the source code. If it is small, but popular, it will be picked up.
Contrast this with any closed source project where the company goes out of business (you are screwed) or a key developer leaves (you will not know it for some time, but future development goes way off course). There is no favorable situation to this save paying large amounts of money to move to a competitor's product (assuming that there is one there).
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Sorry for interrupting here....
It has not been proved that he did anything.
When a wife goes missing, they always suspect the husband first.
I have no idea about the facts of the case, but the way the police work is scientifically incorrect. They come up with a theory and build a case to support it. It is an adversarial system in which the proof of "real" guilt is secondary to winning the case. The CSI nonsense of evidence indicating the killer is fiction. Real police have no idea about scientific method or clear thinking.
I know a lot of police, and the more police I know, the more I dislike police.
so, unless and until I hear some real evidence against the guy, I think the police are wrong.
...when using the OJSImpsonFS, or you might get fstab'ed to death!
I only look human.
My mother is a halfling and my dad is an ogre, so that makes me an Ogreling
I'm just going to play devil's advocate for a moment: I see all these comments about "Think of the Kids!!!", and I can clearly see the personal tragedy of any outcome of this situation for them, however, they're just two people (kids or otherwise). If millions of people are relying on a software for gainful employment or other serious reasons (which, let's face it, a FS can be very important to lots and lots of businesses and therefore people), then don't the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few? Even if the needs of the few are dire and sickening? I care more about the development of lots of different software over any lone individual. Maybe that's part of what makes me a nerd, but ultimately I see the value of certain softwares for all people and society in general, and that this is ultimately more important than any one or few people, per se.
That's one of the things I love so much about FOSS in general. This is code that can be read/used/updated/copied/borrowed/etc. for eternity, and a contribution to all people outside of one's self, even after the self no longer exists.
Kids loose their parents in tragic circumstances every day all over the planet. These two's loss may correspond with a bigger loss for a bigger volume of people. That said though, I doubt it. I just don't think ReiserFS is remotely that important.
Now if it was the lead Firefox or Gimp developer.....
rhY
I hold very few opinions. I hold information based on observation and fact. If you wish to disagree, please use facts.
As cynical as you want it to be, but he nailed this one.
Victims of 9/11: <3000. Traffic in the US: >30,000/y
Funny how things can take on a whole new meaning.
(who knows if he even did it) - too true. Being sexually frustrated can lead to a murder.
:P)
So, since Slashdotters never get laid and thus are permanently sexually frustrated, does this mean that there are more murderers here than average?
Or does it mean that, since Slashdotters never find a spouse, that they don't suffer the frustrations of marriage and so are less likely to be murderers?
Damn, I don't know, I'm so frustrated!!! (But not sexually.
In Wisconsin, once an individual serves his or her prison time and completes probation, they regain their right to vote.
That's because nobody on here would dare make a joke about Linux crashing :P
*BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM!*
"See you on the web, bitch!"
But really.
Please stop stalking me, bro.
Try: /root/recovery.log /dev/path/to/wife
r ecovery_howto.comments
reiserfsck --rebuild-tree -S -l
http://antrix.net/journal/techtalk/reiserfs_data_
Please stop stalking me, bro.
.. somebody die's and all you care about is a Linux file system?
Dudes, you are totally fucked up and need to put things back in perspective.
You have to keep in mind that jail is meant to be a deterrent. It is really not meant to reform anyone, aside from the fact that people are supposed to reform themselves so they don't go BACK to jail. Offering a 'get out of jail free' card lessens that deterrent.
ReiserFS sucks. Version 3 is fairly stable but you will get file corruption and lose data during crashes. And as for version 4 well, it's incredibly unstable like version 3 was for the longest time. I wouldn't touch that with a million foot pole.
I can't see any advantages at this point. XFS has surpassed it in every way. I just wish XFS had the bad block marking capability of ext2/3. Very often when drives fail the drive itself fails to mark the blocks as bad and keeps them available rather than using the extra blocks to replace them. I know it's not suppose to work like that but it does and XFS's choice to rely only on the drive was stupid.
Even if Reiser is not convicted, it may be wise for the project to be distanced from him, or not used.
REISERFS, Even, Is Stopping Evoking Reiser For Sponsorship?
Reiser Eventually Is Somewhat Endangering REISERFS's Final Safety?
Reiser Ejected Is Somehow Emboldening REISER?
Please stop stalking me, bro.
Reiser Ejected Is Somehow Emboldening REISER?
I just realized that this is way better:
REISER Emboldened Is Somehow Ejecting Reiser
Please stop stalking me, bro.
That applies to any human being. You never know what people are going to do. So let's just kill us all and let God sort us out. Savest solution for everyone involved.
If one was sufferig from helicopter syndrome one might suspect that Mr. Reiser could be the victim of a set up by forces that do not wish to see ReiserFS4 implemented as it will put some other file systems by some player/s to shame, or more plausibly entirely obiltterate them.... But that would be if one suffered the syndrome....
Twok - twok - twok twok.... what's that sound?
This is so wrong, it's absurd that anyone could actually believe something like this. You do quite simply not know what you are talking about. There are people with mental issues who don't feel guilt. These are a tiny minority of all killers, and a tiny minority of all people with mental issues (psychopaths, as you call them).
In fact, a lot of people who murder or rape eventually try to kill themselves to stop the guilt, and to stop themselves from killing or raping again.
You know, I see a lot of inane arguments on slashdot, but most at least appear to be somewhat logical. Have you actually thought about what you wrote before you wrote it? Do you seriously not see the problem with your argument?
In some states, part of the punishment for committing a felony offense is the revocation of civic right to vote. That's part of the punishment. Perhaps your co-worker is rehabilitated, but their punishment continues.
8 5-2004Aug17.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A97
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0226-05.htm
I don't use Linux so my immediate reaction was "what's a murder investigation doing on /.?" Reading further, I realized the suspect is involved in a Linux project, the relevance of the post became clear.
/.'s audience.
So perhaps nubnub, the poster wasn't being declasse as you presume. Perhaps he was just making the post's relevance obvious to a larger segment to
Letting someone do something s/he loves while in prison, will sort of defeat the purpose of prison, i.e. make them wish they hadn't committed a crime.
That's assuming you think that's the purpose of prison.
Personally I'm more of the school of thought where prison is where you put people that are just too dangerous to be allowed out and running around. Might as well let them do something useful while they're there.
Even if Reiser did kill his wife, it's a bit ridiculous to compound that loss to society by then not letting him do what he's apparently very good at (designing file systems) just because we don't want him to "enjoy it." Who cares whether he enjoys it or not, the point it that society gets more from him this way than if we just locked him up and threw away the key.
Obviously, this assumes he's guilty, which I have no reason to think one way or the other about.
"Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
That it /is/ going to damage reiserfs is beyond any doubt, no matter whether he's proven innocent, not proven guilty, or proven guilty. The name is tainted, and a business executive will not likely touch anything related to that person, no matter whether it gets taken over and run by other people or not.
You mean, like it hurt Microsoft?
I can throw myself at the ground, and miss.
Actually the story DID make Slashdot when his wife first disappeared.
I would be interested to know how many of the people commenting have been personally acquainted with a murder suspect. I was, once. Air Force guy, he was deployed, his wife fooled around on him. She ended up shot one night. He had taken the kids to a party that night, but I don't think he had any witnesses to account for how he was spending his time at the time of the murder.
Luckily, he had good enough luck/lawyer/whatever that he remained free. I was at a cafe near the base one time and I heard a couple of deputies/cops discussing the case. Their take? They knew it was him, they just couldn't get enough evidence together to convict.
Fast forward a year later, they found the guy that really did it.
Moral of the story--if she's sleeping around, her husband is likely not the only person she's pissed off. Oh, and cop "instinct" is why we need very picky, painstakingly applied laws about collection and use of evidence.
Liberty uber alles.
> Fortunately, I don't believe in a second life.
You missed the spirit of his comment, pun intended. His comment is that the angry person's life is the second one wasted, after the loss of the first (the victim, assuming the victim and the angry person aren't the same, which would be the case in a murder).
Virg
Rename the file system to "Kimble".
http://hans.reiser.justgotowned.com/
You don't need to drag out treason, there are lots of other Federal capital crimes. As I recall, if you traffic in a large enough quantity of drugs, it can earn you the needle, among many other things. (Here is a list, if you're interested; be aware it's an anti-death-penalty site.) Some examples: Murder committed by the use of a firearm during a crime of violence or a drug trafficking crime; Murder of a Federal judge or law enforcement official; Trafficking in large quantities of drugs; Attempting, authorizing or advising the killing of any officer, juror, or witness in cases involving a Continuing Criminal Enterprise, regardless of whether such killing actually occurs.
Not sure how many people are executed by the Federal government every year, but I bet there are a few.
So even if you're in a "no death penalty" state like West Virginia or Maine, you could still do something that would get you executed, by virtue of it being a Federal crime.
"Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
Dude! Talk for yourself!
Seriously, I hope you're not somebody I'll ever meet in real life.
In the issue of a wrongful execution what you are looking at is a wrongful conviction. This is not an issue you can fix by getting rid of the death penalty. Whether a man is killed by lethal injection or dies rotting in his cell, the justice system has ultimately failed him in that case.
I think it comes down to simple statistics. If you execute n people, and the chance of an innocent person being found guilty is m where m>0 (and surely, nobody can argue that m==0), and the chance of an innocent convicted people found not guilty before being executed being o, then it follows that (m*n - (m*n*o)) innocent people are executed.
Unless you're living in a perfect world, there's no way you'll end up with no innocent people being executed.
I think there's a very basic fact you're missing: Punishment is not revenge.
We don't punish people because we want to revenge their victims. We punish people in order to create a society where behave in a non-violent way.
The time a crime happens, punishment has already failed for the person who commited the crime. Punishment is not about that person (or about that person's victim). It's about every other person: It's to show that every other person gets punished when they behave in that specific way.
It's to try and make sure that it won't happen again.
Linux is still in need of one.
Hans is Innocent until Proven Guilty, OK? The husband is always a prime suspect, but that doesn't mean he did anything. His ex may be galavanting in Vegas for all we know.
Excuse me, but please get off my Pennisetum Clandestinum, eh!
"Nobody is suggesting letting convicted murderers go free, but perhaps someone who led an exemplarily life - volunteer work, good parenting, clean record - until the age of 40 shouldn't spend the rest of his/her life in prison for a single murder."
I hope you're not suggesting he was any of those things. After all, how do you know? His criminal behavior to this point may simply be undocumented. In any case, he should be sentenced like anyone else if he's guilty of a crime---after all, the same case could be made for many first-time murderers.
"Certainly a person who still have a high potential to contribute shouldn't be denied this opportunity even in jail."
Why not? Even given the assumption of "high potential" that is what jail is for after all.
"Would you deny pen and paper to a jailed poet?"
It's certainly happened before. The difference is that programming is Reiser's profession.
I'd really like to see ZFS become the standard file system if work is discontinued on Reiser4. ZFS is probably the best file system available, with virtual storage pools, snapshots, variable block sizes, and lightweight filesystem creation. Check out this ZFS demo.
Do you think that proprietary software development is different? There are large projects and small ones, just like in OSS, and many times, there's a lead programmer who is indispensible. I'm sure there are a number of hackers out there whose absence would break a company.
Besides, it's not like my fileserver is going to spontaneously combust if the guy who wrote Samba bit the dust. If anything, the argument is stronger for OSS. If the lead programmer disappears and a company goes out of business, what happens to the code? In OSS, if it is important enough, somebody else will pick it up. If it is important enough from a business perspective, you hire someone to maintain it.
Mod parent up.
Grow up. Thousands of people depend on ReiserFS, and it's perfectly normal to ask what will happen with it. Or does your business not ever think about what to do should an extremely important employee get hit by the proverbial bus?
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
The Reisers were married in 1999 and frequently traveled to Russia, where she was born. They separated in May 2004.
Just long enough to get her green card
Nina Reiser filed for divorce three months later, citing irreconcilable differences and saying their children "hardly know their father" because he was out of the country on business for most of the year, according to court records.
"Verbal statements made in court" BECOMES "Court Transcript" BECOMES "Court Records". There is not anything here saying whether or not it was proven or not.
Nina Reiser was granted a temporary restraining order against her husband in December 2004 after she reported that he had pushed her and was abusive to her. A year later, she agreed not to seek a permanent order.
Temporary Restraining Orders are easy to get, and hard to keep. In a divorce, one of the favorite tactics (of both sides) is to file for a TRO. Usually these get thrown out of court some months later. Judges typically grant TROs because nobody wants to be the judge who denied a TRO against an abusive spouse. But most of the time, TROs are just stupid games that people play.
Hans Reiser was accused earlier this year of failing to pay medical and child-care expenses as ordered by a judge, records show. He pleaded not guilty Aug. 25 to a civil contempt charge and was scheduled for trial in October.
Again, it is very easy to "accuse" somebody. One of the games spouses play is to not send bills to the other spouse, and then file a civil suit against them for "failure to pay". This is usually yet another game in custody and visitation battles.
Not that I am defending this guy, but the "evidence" in the article that he was a "bad man", just isn't any evidence at all.
LongTail SSH Brute Force analysis tool is here!
From TFA:
A lot of times, the stuff that gets people in the chair is contraditary/inconsistant statements, Reiser hasn't given the Police any statement.
Hopefuly He will be aquitted so that he can continue the good work he is doing.
Hmm, was it wrong? I believe that, according to your religious beliefs, it was right. I mean, Jesus himself could have stopped it, but didn't because it was God's plan for him to die. If it was wrong that Jesus died, then God would have been wrong. We can't have that now, can we?
Imagine all the televangelists who would be in the poor house if things had been different, and Jesus had lived a normal life. You can't quite sell the message "Remember, Jesus died for your sins - in a chariot accident."
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
It's to kill for!!!
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Namesys it's Hans own job which he runs(used to?) from his own home.
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Modern software is complex enough that simply having the source code for a component does not necessarily mean a person (even a skilled coder) can maintain that component.
Such ideas made more sense 15 years ago, but not today.
A slashdotter who didn't build his own computer is like a Jedi who didn't build his own lightsaber.
AFAIK treating wounds with maggots was ignored for quite some time because the initial discovery that maggots help wounds heal was made by the Nazis.
Justice is the sheep getting arrested while an impartial judge declares the vote void.
You have the right to remain silent. You have the right to allow your attorney to examine your "interpretation" and present it as best as (s)he can to a jury. What point is there in helping build a charge against yourself?
How many cigarettes does a Slack 11 CD cost in the "big house" anyway?
The less confident you are, the more serious you have to act.
You'd think that Rieser is smart enough to know that no matter how pissed off he gets at his ex, the best thing he could do is relocate to Greenland , Canada, or go back this his homeland. So, that being said, what if his ex had a physo boyfriend, he
would more than likely think the cops would pick the ex husband as a prime usupect. I bet the boyfriend did it.
...perhaps it's the subject matter, but I read your username as "bong copyeditor"...
I [may] disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
If Reiser is found guilty, will Novell or IBM pick up the pieces and finish up Reiser 4 for inclusion in the kernel or is this the end of the Reiser filesystem project?
I couldn't care less. I found the Reiser filesystem to be flakey and made me wonder why the hell it was being sustained by users when there were so many better and more reliable filesystems out there.
But hey, I'll be labelled a troll for not towing the party line.
Now it's time for him to switch to OpenBSD. If you want to execute him W^X will protect him.
#1 What if the murder never took place? Are you sure anyone died? Says who? A web page?
#2 What if the real killer is found? What if Hans Reiser wakes up one morning, still mourning his wife's death, opens the computer, checks the usual forums on which he usually posts useful and insightful information, and sees this thread?
How would you feel?
I was mugged in Seattle and lost my left eye. I have forgiven the mugger. I can't say for sure that if someone I loved was killed I would find it as easy to forgive, but I would find a way. Not for their sake, but for mine.
Could you forgive a hurricane or an earthquake if it killed a loved one? Would you even need to? Why are the actions of a human treated differently, because the human had a choice? How do you know they had a choice, and how do you know the hurricane didn't? Seeing as how one of the defining traits of consciousness is that it is private, you have about as much real knowledge of the choices of another as you do about the "choices" of a hurricane or earthquake.
Moral Judgement is part of a mental parasite that infects almost all humans. "Judge not lest ye be judged" means everytime you judge someone else, you make the Judge part of the parasite inside you stronger, and there is no place you can hide from it. It is not our place to judge the rightness of things, but it is our place to discern the difference between things. Judgement is not "wrong" (that is judgement!) It is just inefficient and counterproductive to the functioning of the individual and society.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
I would love to hear your explanation of "normal value systems".
The software isn't as subjectively ephemeral as the woman. I didn't even know Hans Reiser had a wife, and she has played no role whatsoever in most Slashdotters' lives(*). She's a news story (this one story, in fact) that that's all.
How many other people were murdered in September? None of them got news stories here. The only reason Hans' wife is relevant on Slashdot, is because she was the wife of ReiserFS' developer. Looking at this situation in terms of the software, makes sense.
If we're going to grieve over the death of a stranger, then every day, all day long, Slashdot would be a series of death announcements, with maybe room for a technical story 1% of the time. And some troll would probably post in the technical story, "look at all the people who died today. You insensitive bastards are talking about tech stuff?!"
The same kind of bullshit happens whenever people make jokes about death. You should see some of the reactions I have witnessed to 9/11 jokes, Columbine jokes, Amish massacre jokes, space shuttle Challenger/Columbia jokes, etc. Get over it. Life goes on for the rest of us, and there's plenty of things to think about, talk about, and joke about instead of solemnly brooding over horror and sadness. I'm taking my cat -- who I have known for almost 18 years (we're pretty damn close) -- to be euthanized this afternoon. You bet your ass I have already cracked some jokes about it. It doesn't mean I'm psycho; it just means I intend to keep on living in spite of the loss.
(*) Or if she did play a role in Slashdotters' lives, it was very indirect and vague -- i.e. influencing Hans' personality which perhaps manifested itself in the software.
As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
Not unless we fsck the planet. Think of the downtime while we wait! Screw that, I'd rather just restore from backup.
As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
> Eg, finding the suspect's fingerprints on the murder weapon is circumstantial evidence, but usually very damning circumstantial evidence.
A fingerprint on the murder weapon is corroborating evidence, not circumstantial. It directly connects the suspect to the weapon, and would only be considered circumstantial in the case where the suspect had reason (other than murder) to touch it, like finding a fingerprint on the suspect's own kitchen knife. Circumstantial evidence is evidence that points to the prosecution's case but doesn't directly corroborate it (like a receipt for a gasoline purchase in an arson case, or fibers in a car that match an article of clothing the suspect owns).
Virg
In case nobody recalls, he's a member of slashdot and an early one at that (6963) : http://slashdot.org/~hansreiser . I think it calls for a little more reserve than has been displayed so far.
-void delete_nagging_wife(int* inode, fs* mountpoint) {
+void delete_detached_inode(int* inode, fs* mountpoint) {
While not the same as being accused of murder or becoming severely injured, when Cassondra Foesch, one of the primary developers of PearPC, went to work for Microsoft, work on PearPC slowed down considerably. Microsoft no longer allowed her to continue to work on PearPC. Before she changed genders, Cassondra Foesch was known as Daniel Foesch. I am (and so is the English language) really bad at explaining this situation without being offensive. I may have "outed" her current status on Slashdot, but she did "out" herself last week on the PearPC devel list. Hopefully, I managed to write this post this without offending her.
Impersonating Tycho from Penny Arcade since before there was a PA.
That may have been true before, but in today's US society, accusation is often taken as proof. For instance, in Ohio, there is now a law that expands the database of sexual criminals-- now, you are listed in the database as soon as you are accused. Even if you are proven innocent, your name remains in the database.
We are quickly moving to a society in which accusation is all that is required.
Microsoft is to software what Budweiser is to beer.
I don't recall seeing anyone screaming that during the O.J. Simpson case
Did AC's laptop just happen to burn up, or was he trying to kill his wife with a laptop bomb?
You assume Jesus had to die to save us. Had He not been executed, who's to say He would not establish Heaven on Earth or something.
You also assume He had to go easy on us during His execution, chosing to cleanse our sins (as opposed to, say sending the entire humanity to Hades).
Obama likes poor people so much, he wants to make more of them.
Kind of creepy. Seemed like a regular guy but he took his wife camping and drowned her. I actually did landscaping work for him once.
How would such a thing be decided? What if there were two competing entities that wanted control of the kernel? Could there be a fork, where you have Alan producing his kernel and some other person (or company) accepting contributions and releasing their own?
good one
From the CBS5 article:
In addition, Reiser alleged that Sturgeon wrote into a contract that Reiser must participate in "Death Yoga," which he said has the purpose of "slowing down one's heart to the point of death."
If ol' Hans was a rational and intelligent fellow he would have seen this as a sign not to do business with Mr. Sturgeon in the first place.
I am becoming gerund, destroyer of verbs.
Does anyone else find it strange that she dropped off the kids and THEN disapears? The kids are little. I doubt that Hans would or could leave little kids alone long enough to follow her, kill her and dispose of the body. Even if he grabbed her at the door, the kids would see it. You can't have witnesses to something like this and expect to stay out of jail. And for him to do something like this requires planning (premeditation). From my experience as a divorced dad, dropp-offs are too unpredictable. Even a few minutes different in planned drop-off time, which happens frequently, can throw off a plan. He'd have to get rid of a body, murder weapon, CAR, remove evidence from his house of altercation and al kinds of stuff.
Hell, Scott Peterson had his wife alone in the house, no kids, no relatives around, no one knew of his affair at the time and he had a holiday weekend and no work to go to. He was also way to dumb to get away with it.
Just theorizing here, but suppose she is into something else (bondage, drugs, cheating, what ever), it is more likely that someone from that world committed the act of violence against her. She just got caught in the downward spiral of that lifestyle. I'd be looking at Hans' old business partner to start with and questioning Hans' kids for confirmation of getting dropped off, etc.
--Somewhere there is a village missing an idiot.
Got it wrong once with Jesus...
Anyone willing to take another chance at the death penalty?
Well now you're just comparing apples and oranges.
In Jesus' case, the world's only superpower had an army occupying the Middle East, was so unpopular among the natives that it felt the need to crack down hard on any sign of rebellion, and thus ended up regularly torturing and murdering suspected insurgents. Sometimes it based those suspicions on nothing more than the accusations of grudge-bearing local leaders, and it justified that torture and death by pointing out the enemies' apocalyptic religious fanaticism. Obviously in such a situation Rome was going to make a few mistakes in whom they killed, but Americans are good students of history and would never let their own country be so reckless!
(Without condemning Hans)
I knew that ReiserFS was unstable, but Reiser himself?
and
Mere allegations are enough reason to just purge ReiserFS code from the kernel tree!
That's about right - I can't take a joke on this topic for exactly the reasons I gave. (And how you interpret this to mean I can't generally take a "fucking joke" - I've no idea...) If this apparently funny story wasn't actually happening around me, and I didn't take part in the search event at the park last weekend, I likely wouldn't have responded at all.
OK, Reisser4. In that case I've definitely never used it and it's not currently a part of the kernel. That removes a couple of places where I was vague. The rest stands.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
So far no body has been found, so we don't even know if a crime has occurred, nevermind who did it. It seems premature to bring out the pitchforks and torches.
That's interesting... maybe she's not dead, maybe she just disappeared now that she has her residency. Mr. Reiser could be the victim of a Russian bride scam.
ERROR 144 - REBOOT ?
That's all I got.
Did anyone check his journal?
Have you read my journal today?
When an OSS maintainer gives up, you can still maintain the software precisely because you have the source so that there are ways of maintaining the software.
Actually no.
I can not maintain the code.
He didn't say that you could maintain the code. He said there are ways of maintaining the software. This includes input from better qualified and better motivated programmers. And so you and I may rely on the work of others on reiserfs, just as we have been doing up until now.
But with a closed source filesystem, we'd have a lot more worries.
Phiwum's law: anyone that names an obvious law after himself and then puts it in his own sig is just pathetic.
The considerable age difference, the ethnicity and attractiveness of the victim and marriage problems hints that she was a russian mail bride. You can shop for a doctor there too.
Moderating 101
This is bullshit. You're arguing that if a=b that c=d. But what you are forgetting is that humans, like wolves, are pack animals. We're wired to accept hierarchies and to go with the flow.
The powers that be have not forgotten this, and they maintain their position atop the heap by keeping us fighting each other so that we're too busy to unite and rise up against their asses.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Exactly. One of the great losses after the dotcom bust was that there was all this fabulous proprietary code that got locked up. Companies were bought for pennies on the dollar, including rights to all code the busted company had. In many cases, the new owners were not knowledgeable enough to place a value on the code, so the short-sighted, greedy bastards just held onto the code rather than selling it off at a potential loss from a price they weren't competent to establish.
A major example was the voice recognition code from L&H. Fortunately, someone did manage to acquire their code eventually and continued to develop it.
Sounds like a good idea to me.
I know of a supermax prison where the inmates do car washing and detailing (it's a good deal, too -- $3 for a hand wash and $11 for an interior detail; only you have to clean every single weaponizable object out of your car first). Not sure where the money goes, whether the prison takes all of it or whether they split it with the inmates or what. I see no reason why the prison shouldn't just take it all, unless they're trying to teach some sort of a lesson about economics. (Although I think most criminals get the "money is good" aspect.) After a certain amount of time in prison I think most people would work for free just to relieve the boredom.
At any rate, I'm all about getting the maximum amount of work we can get from incarcerated people. Since apparently we have a labor shortage in this country -- as evidenced by the outsourcing we do, and the arguments for allowing immigration -- there's no reason why we ought not have criminals do those jobs that Americans aren't doing already.
And if a particular prisoner is good at something marketable, and allowing them to do it doesn't present a risk to society (i.e., he can do it from within the prison without communicating with anyone), all the better. Society is still protected from the criminal element, and gets some useful work done.
Better than just having them sit around and pump iron all day and think of new and amusing ways to sodomize each other, which seems to be the current situation.
"Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
The "you" in the orginal post was obviously metaphorical. You personally might not be able to maintain the code, but someone else will be, or can afford to hire someone to maintain the code. None of that would be possible if the code was closed, is what the point of the original poster was.
Look at the post I was replying to - we are talking about Linus Torvalds, not Hans Reiser and about allowing him access to a computer if commits murder rather than just letting him go free. No, I don't believe jailed poets should be denied pen and paper and similar allowances should be made for other talented individuals. Otherwise we are punishing ourselves more than the criminal. As for first time murderers without a criminal background, well they already get more lenient sentences so I am not suggesting anything new. Except that if you did an extraordinary service to humanity, you should be given even more leniency. If you stopped a million murders by preventing a war, shouldn't people who were trying to start it go to electric chair before you are executed or put away for life for accidentally killing someone in a bar fight?
Holy crap - this is one seriously fucked up story. . .
Had I not already responded to other posts in this thread, I would have modded you up.
Synopsys:
Reiser alleges that Sean Sturgeon drugged his wife, seduced her, practiced BDSM on her, then loaned a bunch of money to namesys, which SHE then spent, and then Sturgeon attempted to extort the company from him, via legal threats, and threats of violence.
If what Reiser alleges is true, holy fuck.
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
Case solved, move along http://www.namesys.com/support.html
$25 gets you an answer to a question about anything.
Wish I had mod points. That's the funniest thing I've seen on /. in a while.
Well, I don't know about anyone else, but I certainly wouldn't use any software written by a felon.
(That noise is not me giggling insanely waiting for someone to bite. Really)
I don't think you're right at all.
You're assuming that children are "naturally" good, and require training to kill. I see no evidence for this. If it seems like children are naturally one way or the other, it's because we consider it normal to train them that way. I.e., we train children that hurting other people is wrong and bad, and that they should consider the feelings of others -- this seems "normal" to us. Children don't automatically realize that "other people have feelings, too," and you'd realize this if you spent some time around pre-schoolers.
If one kid wants a toy that some other kid has, and he hasn't been taught to think about others' feelings, he'll just walk up and take the toy from the other kid. But if someone does that to them, they'll get upset. That the other kid doesn't like it when they take the toy away from them, is not obvious. This is why you spend a lot of time trying to get kids to think about situations from somebody else's perspective. E.g.: "Tommy, would you like it if Joey punched you in the face? No? Well, then you shouldn't punch Joey in the face, because he doesn't like it either." That type of reasoning is pretty high-level. Unless you point out to them that they've done something wrong, a child won't feel bad about stealing another kid's toy or shoving them, they'll just go about their business and not think twice about it.
Without social conditioning, I don't think children would necessarily even realize that other people have feelings. More likely, they'd just determine a cause and effect which would discourage them from hurting people bigger than them, like animals do. My cat knows not to bite the dog, because if it does, the dog will really maul the shit out of it -- the cat doesn't (at least, I doubt it does) have any moral impulses about whether hurting the dog is a good thing or not, it just knows not to do it. In the absence of high-level social conditioning, I think that's what human children would probably operate according to if left totally to their own devices. (And you can see a little of this in the rare cases of children raised by animals, particularly social ones like wolves.)
So I think you're engaging in a whole lot of normalization. I think it's a mistake to think of any type of high-level social behavior as "natural." What seems 'natural' to us is a result of the social conditions that we think of as normal. Our "true nature," if you relied on our hardware alone, and tossed out all the programming we receive as we're growing up from our social structures, is probably not anything like what I think you're imagining it to be. In all honesty, it would probably be a lot closer to a pack of wolves with some very advanced language abilities, than any recognizable human society.
"Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
Absolutely, especially if his crime was writing bad poetry. [bah-dum-bum]
>Would you deny pen and paper to a jailed poet?
In all seriousness, one acquaintance of mine that was in prison for a while, was allowed to have only 2 pieces of paper at any given time, which had to be mailed to him, and any more paper would be confiscated. He had to ask for a pen and was only allowed to write while supervised, and had to give the pen back. Anything he wrote was inspected. Letters were subject to approval and censorship, and he did not get to do the envelope part (but did have to supply the stamps, which were also strictly limited.)
-fb Everything not expressly forbidden is now mandatory.
>You have to keep in mind that jail is meant to be a deterrent. It is really not meant to reform anyone
Opinions vary on that, even among those responsible for the justice system. Some believe that prison should simply be a place where you are relentlessly punished, the more cruel, the better, since it is the only thing that can be extracted from a criminal during the time he is incarcerated. Others believe that prison should have a "correctional" effect. To varying degrees, both theories are implemented.
-fb Everything not expressly forbidden is now mandatory.
I ain't got anything against Hans, but why should anyone donate for his defense?
Is he unable to aford it?
Hans has a job and has been awarded a lot of money in support for the development of reiserfs.
Has he asked for anyone's help? If he needs anything I'm sure theres plenty of people to help, but just because the guy is an open source developer, you're sterotyping him as a guy without his own resources?
Why don't people also make donations when it comes to defending homeless people that often are used as escape goats for street murderers and drug dealers? Are they any less then Hans?
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"I find your morals and logic very similar to those that of the WWII Germans."
Such an original line of argument! Did you find it on the internets?
As for my actual point, it was not contingent on zero executions of innocents, rather it pointed out that it is strange to accept the (likely far more) numerous deaths caused by other areas of human activity (Thrill rides kill!) while keeping an absolutist stance on deaths of innocents caused by execution.
This is especially so as those innocently convicted and executed are highly likely to be pond scum, while many other forms of tragedy strike far more randomly in the population.
Can you guys drop the ridiculous obsession with "fud", which I doubt half of you understand to begin with? It makes you look silly, and you use it when it isn't even applicable. If there was an article about Bill Gates' dog crapping on a sidewalk, you guys would tag it "fud".
STOP IT!!!!
Han's wife isn't really dead if he turned journalling on before he performed the deletion.
Some states routinely grant partial or full pardons on non-violent offenses that happened more than a decade or two ago, IF you've been clean ever since and you can get several letters showing you are a person of good moral character.
Once he does that, he should be able to vote again.
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
... mail order brides come with no warranties stated or implied, Hans.
'A lie if repeated often enough, becomes the truth.' - Goebbels
Religious extremists who take control of the local government and pass laws to attempt elimination of all who don't belong to their religion or those who don't follow their religion.
For example, one of their clerics declared that everyone over 25 and single was a "menace to society." So they set about plans to try and eliminate all housing which housed people who where over 25. First the nearby religious university changed their rules for off campus[1] housing. It required all people living in said housing would have to be a student. Nearly all other housing was considered "family" and most of them wouldn't rent to single people. This made housing very scarce if you weren't married and not a student.
Then a few years later, the city council decided to pass some "parking laws", which essentially eliminated quite a bit more housing for non-student singles. It meant you couldn't have any roommates. And you needed a really good job to afford your own apartment around there. (The employers paid almost nothing for jobs.) The real parking problems were mostly caused by the university not having enough lots. There were a few "off campus housing" complexes which did have parking problems, but as far as I could see, they were never touched. This was the point I became homeless.
[1] - Off campus housing has nothing to do with the university. It is just the places their students happen to live. The students were required to live only in housing which followed the university's rules. Since the majority of single people in the area were going to this university, nearly all single housing in the area were bound by these rules, and even if you didn't go to that school, you were required to sign a contract and follow those rules to live in those complexes.
Well, some people believe making them criminals suffer is more important than the good of society. I call that personality disorder Punishism.
Hold on there, 'spectre.
What you say is murder is not murder to me. Murder is psychological; a prospective murder begins in the mind, then applied. I believe "murder" is the wrong word, because I have found some entemology that distracts to the word "martyr" and we all know why and how a "martyr" can change the political and morale landscape of a foreign invasion. Foremost, a "Statute" is not law; it applies to aliens; statutes govern corporatations, by admiralty venue. All law begins at the Bench, by Oath and Bond for a Trust; it is said "Trust in God." Also of note, all statutes are Roman; they are historically derived from the fact that Rome sent armies to harass and tresspass on neighbors, where the conquered neighbors would then be adopted under the parentage of a Roman state. Factually, Statutes were the religios icons incorporated by the Roman state. The word has slowly changed, but at one time "Statute" was literally a iconoclast of worship to whomever adhered to the image: totem-poles, trinkettes, charms, et al are alien to the law preeminent to the conquest and plunder of those failed images; they are recognized as assets, corporations insecure, waiting to be financed by whatever party willing to depose and inherit a controlling security interest.
By adopting statutes and reference to them in our daily manners, is evidence that Rome is verry-much an influence. How would one know the difference of a law from a statute if they lived and were taught by employees of a corporation regulated by statute, and never once have had the issue of a peculiar or court of competant jurisdiction to take exception between politic and body-politic and body-corporate
By most standards of law, the word we are looking for is "kill" as defined in their law, to know if our law is common to a neighboring patron of the exchequeur at the locale. In most law, it is impossible to be killed: everyone arbitrarily, unqualifiedly sends eachother to Heaven or Hell. I hear USPS can send someone to Hell at far cheaper rates than FedEx or UPS.
Chears.
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I couldn't believe this... I've met him at a number of trade shows, and even corresponded with him when he was living in Moscow. I just cannot believe he could do such a thing. But then I suppose a lot of people say that when they learn an acquaintence had allegedly done such a dispicable act.
things are MUCH worse than that in the US:
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"Some US prisons terrorize inmates with dogs-report"
"BOSTON, Oct 10 (Reuters) - Dogs are allowed to terrify and even bite unruly prisoners who refuse to leave their cells in five U.S. states, a human rights group said on Tuesday, comparing the policy to abuses at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison."
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N1055091
"I once preached peaceful coexistence with Windows. You may laugh at my expense - I deserve it." Be's Jean-Louis Gass
I hope everything turns well for him. Reiserfs is a great product.
Wow, where did it take place - are things so bad in US? Were there any special circumstances that indicated he could use writing for harmful purposes? I would contact Amnesty International. Completely depriving someone of mental outlets can be considered a form of torture. How did all these dudes manage to write books in jail then?
Pshya, all he has to say is "Ooh, I murder!" without being asked and he's home free!
I don't know if I am feeding a troll here, but...
You affirm that "and there are a lot of people who don't feel guilt, remorse or empathy, enough that I'd say it's normal", and I ask how do you know? Many people uses tricks, self-deception, to separate themselves from the people they harm or treat badly. People would say that in fact is helping that under payed employee because otherwise he would be jobless. Others would argue that those poor people actually deserve to be poor and hungry because they do not work as hard as they do, not noticing that probably they work as hard or harder. And finally some simply convince them selves that that person who he just killed is "the enemy" or maybe they "deserve to die" or simply "they are less human because of their color, origin or believes in some other super powered divinity that I don't really like".
Self deception is a powerful toy and many people use them to do horrible things and sleep at night, but that don't make them psycho. Psychopaths, know that what they made are wrong and yet they do not feel any guilty, they don't need to create a self-deception.
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Don't worry, this is all part of the project roadmap. In prison, he will definitely be able to continue research on Tail Packing. I'm sure the results will be in his journal.
In any case, if convicted, no one can blame him for what he did. His wife was FAT32. Trust me, no one would want to mount *that*.
- to finding your search topic!
New OJFS Motto: "Used to be fast"
Give a man a fish and you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish, and he'll say "WHERE'S MY FISH, YOU IDIOT?"
You call for the man to be suspect just because of this URL showing a bunch of opinions to his trial and error of character and workmanship. Regardless of him owing no specific debt, you are among them that try to derive satisfaction by taunting him to be an arrogant "douche." I mean, you talk about how his form to apply a tecnique or skill is actually homework, while the alleged "homework" to his ill-favor in said Technical School is verry unpleasing and unsatisfying to him in lite of proving one's knowledge by discussion.
I'm honestly trying to flaim "fithmo", and have acknowledgment from Moderators and meta-mod to emphasize the verry candid nature of that useless correspondance of "fithmo" to someone he has either (1) lied of not-knowing for less than 15-minutes just to procure the heated debate of Hans Reiser through Google or (2) knows technically in leu of a competitor with vile necessity to indirectly correlate unrelated events for ill critique.
I'm saying if you have sympathy or money to donate, then let you be a Linux Distributor to question whether Hans Reiser attaining $170K + USian dollars to blame on ReiserFS is to technical merrit in comparison to non-debted filesystems, and whether his creditors could claim ReiserFS as their bankruptcy holdings and surety for the debtor and thereby cause Linux to be impeded with said disabilities to package.
A typical liar trying to play-off false-moderation with the drama of sarcasm. The glory is all mine!
FUCK YOU!
In fact, one could argue that the best "white collar" criminal would be a clinical psychopath in a position of corporate power - they'd make a great CEO in the short term.
Ever see a show "Profit"? It was a short-lived series from about 10 years ago that was about exactly that. It starred Adrian Pasdar (now the older flying brother in Heroes).
It would probably have faired better on HBO or Showtime, a bit too controversial for network TV. It is available on DVD.
According to Novell it looked like they were going to ditch ReiserFS before this came out anyways ...
http://linux.wordpress.com/2006/09/27/suse-102-dit ching-reiserfs-as-it-default-fs/
Is there a difference here ?
Let's see...
MansonFS crashes in on the system and home directory after the husband leaves for work, disembowling the database just before scrawling on the wall 'killall -TERM pigs'.
OswaldFS tries to perform two impossible writes in real-time, while processing on the highest-order of poor-latency behind a file-tree littered with read-errors and cache-missing.
OJSimpsonFS slashes nearby processes just to write solely on the platter, quickly flushing the cache after each session to prevent any dependance on redundancy that could cause latency and real-time writes to bog-down the flushing of the read, then just to piss everyone off it gets dirty by eating a drippy red-Tobasco'd double-decker Taco for every write, and is irresponsive to any inquest by the local system-adminsitrators while mounting remote volumes through Snearker Net.
I give up. I'm not a Unix guy. Please, shoot m3.
Donate money to Han's defence?
Why would Han Solo need money for a defense? Last I heard, the Rebel Alliance won the war against the Galactic Empire, and Han was a free man. Has he committed some crime now under the New Republic?
The article says no such thing. It says the police have "secret" (i.e. undisclosed) information about Reiser.
It does not say that it had anything at all to do with the custody of his children. In fact, what I can tell from the article, the issue of permanent custody has not been decided yet, which would be in-line with the fact that the divorce proceedings apparently aren't finished yet either.
What it says, is that the police testified against Reiser in the (presumably temporary) custody proceedings. It also says he'd been previously bound by a restraining order. Presumably the Police had at some point been involved in whatever incidents had lead up to that restraining order being issued. It's hardly a stretch of the imagination to think that same testimony would be brought up when it came to deciding on temporary custody.
You cannot gain or lose custody of your children on the basis of any kind of "secret" information. Custody can only be granted by a court in a proper hearing, where both sides are represented, due process, etc. Whatever "secret" information the police have about him now, it would not be secret if it had been brought up in a custody hearing.
The "secret" information here cannot have anything to do with the custody. It must be related to why he was arrested. And they are not required to disclose those reasons until either the preliminary hearing or the trial, should there be one.
Reiser said Sturgeon "worked with my wife Nina Reiser and eventually drugged her with ecstasy and seduced her."
Reiser alleged, "He then engaged in Bondage, Domination, Sadism and Masochism techniques and continued to redrug her repeatedly over time."
In addition, Reiser alleged that Sturgeon wrote into a contract that Reiser must participate in "Death Yoga," which he said has the purpose of "slowing down one's heart to the point of death."
Ok, this case is just plain whacky.
Sometimes my arms bend back.
Just from reading this article, it seems like Mr. Sturgeon should be suspect #1. If Hans was really murderous, it seems like he should have gone after Sturgeon instead of his wife.
Proprietary software can often be just as dependent on a single person. The big difference is that companies like to hide this; so that person gets no credit or publicity, lest a competitor tries to hire him away. In addition, many executives convince themselves that the lead engineer isn't that important, and that the product's success comes mainly from good management and marketing.
When the top people leave a company, few outsiders know what's going on. But a few years later, users will wonder why the product's quality has gone down.
I think the fact that, even if you are caught, and are convicted (it's easy to believe either of those won't happen), you still won't die for at least 20 years, neutralizes the effect. The death penalty has about as much deterrent value as the surgeon general's warnings on cigarette boxes, or the preacher warning you you'll rot in hell. "Don't do it, you might die in 20 years!" has almost no impact.
If, however, you wired someone up to an electric chair circuit and they knew that the second they killed someone they would die, that would be a deterrent. It still wouldn't stop 100% of murders, but it would have a pretty significant effect.
IMHO, the real benefit of the death penalty is in stopping repeat offenders. The other potential benefit is that the tax payers don't have to support the murderer for the rest of their life (paying for sex changes, and viagra, on top of everything else), but the fact that the system drags the trials out for 20 years pretty much negates that benefit.
I...I'm attacking the darkness!
Of course. That's why you mentioned "convicted murderer".
". Except that if you did an extraordinary service to humanity, you should be given even more leniency."
Why? Is that your get out of jail free card? Do we have "platinum citizenship"?
"Otherwise we are punishing ourselves more than the criminal. "
Sentencing is about justice, not about service to society. It is not considered what society gives up when someone commits a crime. Poets can write poetry because they require minimal resources that can be provided. A computer, test equipment and an internet connection is another matter. Who says Reiser or Linus either one contributes enough to society to be give special consideration?
>Wow, where did it take place
A state pen in Texas, where mostly only drug possession convicts go.
>Were there any special circumstances that indicated he could use writing for harmful purposes?
Oh heavens no. The rules are applied to everyone. And anyone that writes to them is supposed to know that they can only send a limited amount of stamps and paper (rules are very specific), you cannot send them money, and your mail will be intercepted, read, and not necessarily delivered. Exceptions are made for court documents and correspondence with attorneys, but that's about all.
>I would contact Amnesty International.
You think AI has any capability to reform the Texas penal system? Yeah, I'll get right on that.
>How did all these dudes manage to write books in jail then?
They don't. Not in certain state prisons in Texas anyway. Make sure you get Federal time, I guess.
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Wide spread institutionalized racism in the South is long dead. Why must you continue to judge us by something that hasn't existed for over 20 years?
The key word in your statement being true is "institutionalized," though people here are arguing that laws stripping felons of voting rights continue on as an institutional legacy of racism. Heck, it's not even that unofficial, if you look back to the 2000 election in Florida. Note one eye-popping stat there -- 31% of black males cannot vote because of this law, and black voters voted 93% for Al Gore. Imagine what 31% more black male voters would've done in a state decided by a few hundred votes.
Also, living in Georgia and hearing the stirrings of continued discontent of white Southerners over the flag issue, the anger over immigration, and the current rhetoric over voter ID, I can tell you that racism is still widespread if not as up-front and brazen as it used to be. I've seen mass racism first hand in high school, and it's left its marks on me ever since then.
If it's for-profit but free, you're not the customer -- you're the product (e.g., the Slashdot Beta's "audience").
Now why is this important? because you obviously are getting something backwards. In 1998 representative Fox from pennsylvania stated that a released murderer was five times more likley to be re-arested for murder then other prisoners in general poulation. That's five times more likley to recommit the crime they already served time for then someone who just robbed a bank or cheated on thier taxes. Sounds a little more significant then 5%.
I know I get all my facts from politicians instead of eggheads! Boy, howdy, that's where the truth is!
If it's for-profit but free, you're not the customer -- you're the product (e.g., the Slashdot Beta's "audience").
"In fact, what I can tell from the article, the issue of permanent custody has not been decided yet, which would be in-line with the fact that the divorce proceedings apparently aren't finished yet either."
I'd say that's a relatively moot point.
Hmm, was it wrong? I believe that, according to your religious beliefs, it was right. I mean, Jesus himself could have stopped it, but didn't because it was God's plan for him to die. If it was wrong that Jesus died, then God would have been wrong. We can't have that now, can we?
Actually, that all depends on how you approach theodicy, the question of the problem of evil. Is it possible to be evil and follow God's will at the same time? If so, then the murder of Jesus was an evil act. If not, then it wasn't.
The question comes down to whether or not evil serves a purpose in creation and how much of that purpose is directed by God and how much is in spite of God. Personally, I believe that it is possible for events to be foretold by God and to happen at the urgings of evil without God approving of the evil itself. (e.g. Promoting suffering to attempt to fulfill prophecy and bring about the End Times is not a virtuous act.)
Of course, you and I both know that the original poster wasn't using "wrong" in the sense of "evil" so much as "incorrect," which is what he is hinting that modern day executions can sometimes be. Think of all the people executed and then exonerated after their deaths by DNA evidence.
If it's for-profit but free, you're not the customer -- you're the product (e.g., the Slashdot Beta's "audience").
According to Dr. Hare about 20% of the prison population meets his definition of psychopathic. Further down the page, it says that 1% of the general population is psychopathic.
"What do you think?" "I think 'What, do you think?!'"
So how many people should this paragon of virtue be allowed to murder before we lock them up for life? And are you saying you're willing to allow your hypothetical murderer get off with a slap on the wrist, as long as he or she is really this great guy?
Absolutely. And FYI, this is EXACTLY how it works in the USA today. You better believe that if you are an "upstanding" citizen that will factor into your sentencing. As well it should.
Let's use the example of the emergency room doctor that murders his wife because she is sleeping with another man. And let's say that he's an exceptionally good doctor who as saved thousands of lives. Now is it REALLY better for society to have this guy locked up in prison getting ass raped rather than restricting his behavior with a combination of electronic monitoring and restitution (doctors make a lot of money)?
And I'd go farther. Most doctors are basically saints, working extremely long hours under difficult conditions, doing insanely taxing work. It's also emotionally taxing in a way most people find difficult to imagine. So yeah, *I* would be inclined to give the doctor above a pass on that murder.
And I don't think that ANYONE should get a "life" sentence. Should we have geriatric wards in the prisons filled with drooling vegetables (like we do now)? I'm sorry, but a dottering old man simply isn't much of a threat. I think everyone should get automatic parole at 65. If they somehow manage to keep commiting crimes/parole violations then we can stick them back into jail.
So by your logic, people with prior criminal record shouldn't get stiffer sentences than first time offenders? If you support existing practice, why should "positive record" not be considered in addition to criminal record? What's your problem with someone having a computer in jail if the costs are fully paid for by outside parties?
Give it a rest -- you obviously don't understand the difference between the general and the particular uses of the word "you". If you (particular) can't maintain the code, someone more capable will rise up to shoulder the burden for you (again, particular).
Are you (general) in agreement with me on this?
"Splatters of Nina Reiser's blood were found in the house and car of the missing woman's estranged husband, Hans Reiser, law enforcement sources said Wednesday.
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The sources also said that Hans Reiser removed the passenger seat of his 1988 Honda hatchback and that he attempted to hide the vehicle from authorities. This is the same car that his wife's blood was found in, sources said. Police are still looking for the missing seat."
http://www.insidebayarea.com/trivalleyherald/ci_4
In the case of closed source software, this is likely a financial incentive of the organization that sells the software. They will continue in order to make money. Money is a strong motivator.
You would think so. Unfortunately, real life works differently. When key developers disappear or companies change ownership, a lot of software products become unavailable because the cost of continuing to develop them is not justified by the revenue. And in many cases, companies even have a financial incentive for discontinuing a product, namely after acquiring a competitor. And when people pick up products like this, they are often small consulting houses that deliberately charge exorbitant prices to milk the remaning customers for all they are worth before discontinuing the product. And, finally, even when products nominally continue, they are often wildly incompatible (and often as a part of a company's business strategy).
While it is idealistic to say that open source is better here, it is not likely realistic. Money makes the world go around and software that was bringing money to someone stands a pretty good chance of continuance.
I've been in this business for more than a quarter of a century, and I have seen lots of companies come and go. Saying that open source software reduces the risk of leaving me stranded with an orphan product isn't "idealistic", it's reality based on lots of experience. Lousy experience with orphan software products is one of the reasons I'm so active in open source.
You don't even support one of your own!
I'm 100% behind Reiser, this is so much pig slander bull****
The guys wife drives off and is missing for ten days, and all of a sudden he's a murderer? I don't think so. Wrong. It takes nothing to point a car in any direction and just drive away.
The geek community needs to get its collective balls together and present a unified front against the pigs and the lawyers and their little justice system racket. Make no mistake about it, my friends, that's what it is, an economic racket that pays and obsene amount of salaries. Because guess what, they are going to come after you, one individual at a time. Who's going to stand up for you then?
Big question: how many people have the cops, state governments, and the US governement murdered? On the streets, in war actions, in electric chairs. Hello? They don't have a single moral fiber left to stand on to accuse *anybody* of *anything*. At all. Nada. Nothing. No police department anywhere has any right to accuse anybody of anything. Can you ever remember giving any consent whatsoever to be ruled and governed by this olgiarchy. This is no democracracy, its not even a republic, its not a democratic republic, its rule by the rich. It was founded that way and it continues to be that way to this day.
"Sadly, Mike Muuss was killed in an automobile accident on November 20, 2000. His work lives on in testament to his intellect and indomitable spirit."
I'd like to raise my hand here.
I'm an Asshole.
There, I've said it. Step one of 12 is done. Step 2 is where I call all the people I've pissed off, and apologize. Hell, I'll never make it past that step.
Seriously. I filed my taxes late. Late for the extension. That's still 4 days away, but I haven't sent it back yet to my accountant. With the bad cheque I'll write him.
I read all of my email, and when I smell bullshit, I ask questions. I think I just caused the next Jihad in Accounting. Rise Up, beancounters!
When the cookies are free, I take two. I step on ants. I eat dog meat. If I had a car, I'd double-park. I'd double-parallel-park. In the fire lane. With a "media/press" pass in the window and twin "I love Chairman Mao" and "Free Tibet" bumper stickers. And a bobble-head of GW Bush.
Damn, now (with that 5-letter T-word) slashdot will be "protected" from Beijing by the Great Firewall of China. I've nailed all the slashdot readers in China. I'm an Asshole.
Here, I'll help you with that:
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Why don't you use your own damn link, you stupid ass?
You mean "just long enough to get her Citizenship". Huge difference.
A "Green Card" is a permit that allows non-US citizens to live and work in the United States. If you apply for one by way of marriage, it doesn't take five years. I don't know the time it takes today but back when I neede to know this, it was about 6 months. Depended heavily on where you would be moving to in the US, as some INS offices were heavily overworked. It might all be different now.
A green card is also different from citizenship in that it is void if you leave the US for more than a year. According to international law, no nation may revoke citizenhip once it's granted, if that would render the person stateless, i.e. they aren't also citizens of a different country.
IANAL, TINLA, yada yada.
After you've lived lawfully in the country for five years, you may apply for citizenship. Maybe that's what she did?
Go find a cliff or a bridge somewhere, then take your entire fucktarded family.
Have all of them jump off to their deaths, after that jump to yours as you're obviously too stupid to even exist let alone use a computer.
"So by your logic, people with prior criminal record shouldn't get stiffer sentences than first time offenders?"
Where did I say that?
"why should "positive record" not be considered in addition to criminal record?"
No such thing as a positive record.
"What's your problem with someone having a computer in jail if the costs are fully paid for by outside parties?"
Because jail is punishment. What's the problem with an inmate staying at the Hyatt Regency if the costs are fully paid for by outside parties? By your logic, anyone who could afford to live outside jail would have no need going at all (and they could keep their job too). Think how much money that would save!
That's a very positive way to look at it.
;-)
I like bus factor better though. It's decidedly graphic, and matches the effect on the project. Also, a moderate percentage of people who were not mis-treated as employees would likely help transition the team given a huge payout. Nobody that's hit by a bus will be "hanging around" to do that.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
What part of "equal in the eyes of the law" don't you get? It to protect us from thinking like yours that Justice is blind.
Can you cite any examples of a production quality closed source filesystem embedded in a commercial operating system spontaneously failing after the operating system's support is dropped or the manufacturer goes out of business?
Final 2006 "Proof of Global Warming" US Hurricane Count -> 0
Can you spell Scott Peterson?
In CA circumstantial evidence == death row and awe-inspiring beatings everyday till your execution.
Hail Satan!
Can you cite any examples of a production quality closed source filesystem embedded in a commercial operating system spontaneously failing after the operating system's support is dropped or the manufacturer goes out of business?
No. Can you name any production quality open source filesystems that have similarly failed?
If not, I'll stick by my claim. Open source projects seem less worrisome when something bad happens to the principal developers. The code is there, and if the project is useful to enough folk, we can expect development to continue.
Phiwum's law: anyone that names an obvious law after himself and then puts it in his own sig is just pathetic.
I think may be he really frustrated bcoz his wife have affair with his friend...In addition, not making money for living from opensource, problem in development, and lastly your wife and good friend try to hit you down ... what would you do?
but of course i do not agree. Killing is not the problem solver but maybe it happen when we are so angry and cannot hold it anymore longer (that why we must always try to stay cool ;D )
For reiserFS, maybe we should give him time to continue his project (if there is) :(
There is not even doublespeak as to the intent of rehabilitation, just because CA's governor (mine) changed the name to include it, it makes no practical difference whatsoever.
If you ask officials what the point is, they will say it is DETERRENCE, not anything else. The only problem with that, is that giving somebody 3 hot meals and a cot for months or years does absolutely *nothing* to deter them from doing it again in the vast majority of cases. maybe for a casual first law breaker, but not for a a criminal who's found a way of life usually through circumstance and or plain poverty. I do not care to argue the reasons for criminality definitions in any case.
Furthermore, i dare everyone who seeks to make judgements on what jails/prisons are like and or for, efficacious or not,
to let us know where and how much time you've spent behind bars, so that we may know how much salt to take with the numerous unfounded assertions i'm sure will pop up in this thread.
only a year, personally. All I left with was various criminal knowledge and know-how that i had not until then possessed, and a ridiculous amount of 'job' offers that would undoubtedly have lead to alot of fast cash, and a sure high risk for going back, but to prison that time.
In closing, Fuck All You armchair jockeys.
- I'd prefer not to.
Since authors are allowed to continue their profession, why not programmers? I wasn't suggesting the government provide him a laptop, but if he wants to buy one, I don't see a legitimate reason not to allow it in.
A woman may be dead and all you can worry about is whether the project will continue?!
Yeah that's what I was trying to say, but how did he measure the general population? That seems like a difficult task, sure it's something I can believe, but 1%? We have 300 million people, thats like, less than 500,000, I think it's likely more than 1%, but less than 20%, but really, how can we really know?
In prison you can watch how people act and see that there are psychopaths there. Outside of prison, you have to rely on small samples, so we know it's rare, but it's not so rare that we don't all know someone who is one. 1% based on how it was collected is not as accurate as the 20% we know for sure because we collected it in prison.
What say you? How exactly would you measure the general population?
Two words: Adolf Hitler.
Moron.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
The state applies the laws that society deems acceptable.
In most civilized countries in the world the state does not have the right to execute people.
In the US it does, but it is not absolute and it can be retrived at any time by the lawmakers.
You make it sound like if it is a natural absolute which clearly it isn't.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
And they almost never have to kill anybody. It is such an strange occurence that it would be national news.
YOu guys in the US love your guns, fair enough, but the kind of society your are creating is conditioning you to believe everything can be solved by sheer force and submission of your opossites.
No wonder the Iraq fiasco.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
You may not like it, but during crisis situations one has to discuss how to recover from disaster.
For the particular project that MR Reiser has been heading so succesfuly, it is very legitimate to discuss what needs to be done to keep things going.
Given the openess and visibility of the project this kind of discussions will happen in open forums like this.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Don't be silly.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
You really are stretching it.
The leagal and political contexts in which FOSS works are clearly described in a series of documents.
What you are saying is written nowhere and I am sure, even if Mr Reiser was found guilty and jailed, if he could continue contributing from prision I am sure the community would continue benefitting from his input.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
This matter will not paint in the radar of even junior IT managers. The only people that will know something about this are Linux geeks, and not even all of them for sure.
Most managers worry themselves aobut issues at much higer level, niceties like files systems will interest them when pertinent, but I am sure they will only care about the relevant technical aspects and not much else.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
I will wait that the investigations are concluded and judgment is passed before delving in the whys.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
.... that it gets completely distoreted.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Hans Reiser purchased two books "Homicide'' by David Simon and "Masterpieces of Murder" by Jonathan Goodman on Sept. 8 from Barnes & Noble in Berkeley.
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Your or your acquaintance should still write a letter to Amnesty. They may not be able to do much right away, but if enough people complain, they will downgrade US in their report. If Congress changes hands this election, new leadership may be eager to flog the president's home state and make some token changes.
You have the right to remain silent. You have the right to allow your attorney to examine your "interpretation" and present it as best as (s)he can to a jury. What point is there in helping build a charge against yourself?
The point of helping to find his missing wife, or not.
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I wonder if I'm the only one who noticed that the character you're nickname is taken from, Kokkor Hekkus, was called "The Killing Machine".
Finally believe it now?
>If Congress changes hands this election...
Congress will change hands dramatically this election, and that will illustrate for even more people just how the two dominant parties are merely two faces of the same beast.
-fb Everything not expressly forbidden is now mandatory.
According to International law...
What International Law? There is no "International Law", just as there is no international government to enforce it. Furthermore, while I cannot speak for other countries, you most certainly can have your US citizenship revoked if you do any number of things the US government forbids you from doing (there are certain countries you aren't allowed to travel to, and I believe serving in the armed forces of another country without obtaining prior permission is grounds for losing your citizenship). There's a little paragraph in your passport that even outlines how you can lose it, IIRC.
---- MISSING MISCELLANEOUS DATA SEGMENT --- [sigdash] trolololol
I mean when contributing a lot from yourself into opensource (or any other task as well) are we breaking up families? Is this the cost of the open source stuff? If you think about Linus for example, I bet that he had some discussions with his wife about how he manages the time between his family and his work. I didn't contribute much to community, but still I had to go through this kind of exprerience when coding "intresting stuff". I have 3 small kids. Think about it; are you stealing precious time from your very own children when doing this? What is the price of open source? What is the price of art? :)