Read it yourself, it's obviously biased. Faults with the article: * listing of single-family homes would preclude multi-family dwellings, skewing the results higher * claims homes of occupiers are "luxurious" and they provide 5 pictures out of 1,000 of nice homes which are hardly the "definition of opulence" as the article claims. I wonder if those homes might belong to someone's parents? * the cost per sq foot of real estate in NYC is much higher than the average -- this in no way means these homes are "luxurious". A $300K house in Little Rock, AR is a nice fucking house. In NYC, it's a disaster. Even a $500,000 building in New York City totally sucks.
As for everything being pricier in NYC, I think that's a relevant point. One's standard of living is not about one's absolute income relative to the US at large but rather the difference between income and expenses in one's locale. And, if you want to account for disparities, we should also talk about the disproportionate contribution of large cities to federal coffers versus rural locales. NYC is more expensive than Bee Branch, AR but it also contributes a lot more money to national defense, interstate highway systems, etc.
Having looked around a bit, I see that the DC has some controversy in its past but nothing extreme. It looks to me like a selective presentation of facts with a slant in mind, but does not appear to be blatantly false. Thanks for bringing in some facts, although I'm not sure it's the scandal they attempt to portray.
You do have a good point about life choices. I applaud your pragmatism. I borrowed and went to a fancy school and paid off my debt a long time ago (damn I miss the 90's). I would love to get my ass in a house.
I appreciate your willingness to separate me from OWS. I consider myself a moderate.
I consider it pretty feudal when a merchant worth $1B can buy a dozen houses each year without working a single second (3% interest on $1B compounded yearly is $30M) when I work 2000-3000 hours per year and can't afford a house here in Los Angeles. I'm don't harbor any sense of entitlement to a house, but I work full time and would love it if I could afford one.
On another note, anyone who's studied nonlinear differential equations should be able to recognize an asymptote. Money makes money. The more you have, the more you make. You have to put something in the equation to prevent points of unstable equilibrium. The zillion dollar question is what to put in and where.
I don't think it's possible to assign such specific qualities to OWS. Like the tea party, they are a mob of both reasonable people and wackos trying to find common ground and give voice to shared frustrations.
THANK YOU. Somebody finally RTFA. Textbook example of government fail and corrupt wall street assholes pouncing on the gaping loophole. It's gotta stop. I hope that you will please help me spread the word about this. Some heads have GOT to roll over this.
I still think your article is suspect, so you'll need to find another one or do some more research to make a convincing point. Even if the information is accurate (I wonder...), has it occurred to you that 2-4 people might be sharing the rent in one of these apartments? And, for the record, both wages and rents are much higher in NYC than almost any other city in the United States. If you pay $1,850 for an apartment in NYC, it's probably 200-400 square feet.
I appreciate you attributing such a grandiose notion to me, but I can hardly take credit for such a far-reaching proposal. I was just thinking of some tweaks to our current evil system in a direction I consider reasonable and somewhat less evil.
I don't claim to understand capitalism, but I'm pretty sure that it depends on the existence of a functioning government. I'm also pretty sure that capitalists like Christy Mack and Susan Karches give capitalism a bad name and need to be stopped.
While there are a lot of ludicrous, insane demands (see here), there are specific demands that sound entirely reasonable and, in my opinion, long overdue. * close tax loopholes for corporations * investigate bankers responsible for bank collapse and either criminally prosecute those who committed fraud or enact reasonable legislation like the Dodd-Frank act which will mitigate business practices that lead to unstable markets. * reduce defense spending, especially no-bid contracts like those given to Halliburton * increase spending on education * reduce the influence of money on elections and the influence of lobbyists on policy * increase taxes on wealthy individuals in order to pay down federal debt
That's what I mean by digging deeper.
I've never attended any OWS events nor do I plan to, but I like that they provide a counterweight to the Tea Party. I'm all for lower taxes, but given the debt situation it's just not a good idea right now. Both sides have all kinds of crazy going on and both sides can actually influence the direction of government.
I think what you and the tea party fail to understand is that government, however imperfect it may be in practice, is how wealth is redistributed from the rich to the poor. Perfect capitalism, without wealth redistribution, is feudalism.
We can also blame the so-called liberal media for failing to communicate their message and we can blame apathetic slackers like you for failing to look deeper.
You don't get it. OWS is protesting fraudsters like Christy Mack and Susan Karches and the increasing disparity between wage growth between the upper and lower clases.
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Yes I suppose it is in fact the use of "China" and "they" rather than some specific organization within China referred to as "they". If the article is about capabilities within the US or Europe, it typically refers to a specific organization of sub-group rather than the entire nation.
Interesting point about the linguistic aspects. It's funny how vague and quaint language can be compared to experience.
I have to say, I also kind of love this idea. I wonder, however, how much information technology might affect a drug cartel. I've always imagined their operations to be conducted largely in meatspace. Surely anonymous can stir up some antagonism between the gangs and also provide information to law enforcement in the process.
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Read it yourself, it's obviously biased. Faults with the article:
* listing of single-family homes would preclude multi-family dwellings, skewing the results higher
* claims homes of occupiers are "luxurious" and they provide 5 pictures out of 1,000 of nice homes which are hardly the "definition of opulence" as the article claims. I wonder if those homes might belong to someone's parents?
* the cost per sq foot of real estate in NYC is much higher than the average -- this in no way means these homes are "luxurious". A $300K house in Little Rock, AR is a nice fucking house. In NYC, it's a disaster. Even a $500,000 building in New York City totally sucks.
As for everything being pricier in NYC, I think that's a relevant point. One's standard of living is not about one's absolute income relative to the US at large but rather the difference between income and expenses in one's locale. And, if you want to account for disparities, we should also talk about the disproportionate contribution of large cities to federal coffers versus rural locales. NYC is more expensive than Bee Branch, AR but it also contributes a lot more money to national defense, interstate highway systems, etc.
Having looked around a bit, I see that the DC has some controversy in its past but nothing extreme. It looks to me like a selective presentation of facts with a slant in mind, but does not appear to be blatantly false. Thanks for bringing in some facts, although I'm not sure it's the scandal they attempt to portray.
You do have a good point about life choices. I applaud your pragmatism. I borrowed and went to a fancy school and paid off my debt a long time ago (damn I miss the 90's). I would love to get my ass in a house.
Ooooo...angry little troll. Tell me, did you read the article?
I appreciate your willingness to separate me from OWS. I consider myself a moderate.
I consider it pretty feudal when a merchant worth $1B can buy a dozen houses each year without working a single second (3% interest on $1B compounded yearly is $30M) when I work 2000-3000 hours per year and can't afford a house here in Los Angeles. I'm don't harbor any sense of entitlement to a house, but I work full time and would love it if I could afford one.
On another note, anyone who's studied nonlinear differential equations should be able to recognize an asymptote. Money makes money. The more you have, the more you make. You have to put something in the equation to prevent points of unstable equilibrium. The zillion dollar question is what to put in and where.
I don't think it's possible to assign such specific qualities to OWS. Like the tea party, they are a mob of both reasonable people and wackos trying to find common ground and give voice to shared frustrations.
THANK YOU. Somebody finally RTFA. Textbook example of government fail and corrupt wall street assholes pouncing on the gaping loophole. It's gotta stop. I hope that you will please help me spread the word about this. Some heads have GOT to roll over this.
I still think your article is suspect, so you'll need to find another one or do some more research to make a convincing point. Even if the information is accurate (I wonder...), has it occurred to you that 2-4 people might be sharing the rent in one of these apartments? And, for the record, both wages and rents are much higher in NYC than almost any other city in the United States. If you pay $1,850 for an apartment in NYC, it's probably 200-400 square feet.
I appreciate you attributing such a grandiose notion to me, but I can hardly take credit for such a far-reaching proposal. I was just thinking of some tweaks to our current evil system in a direction I consider reasonable and somewhat less evil.
I don't claim to understand capitalism, but I'm pretty sure that it depends on the existence of a functioning government. I'm also pretty sure that capitalists like Christy Mack and Susan Karches give capitalism a bad name and need to be stopped.
While there are a lot of ludicrous, insane demands (see here), there are specific demands that sound entirely reasonable and, in my opinion, long overdue.
* close tax loopholes for corporations
* investigate bankers responsible for bank collapse and either criminally prosecute those who committed fraud or enact reasonable legislation like the Dodd-Frank act which will mitigate business practices that lead to unstable markets.
* reduce defense spending, especially no-bid contracts like those given to Halliburton
* increase spending on education
* reduce the influence of money on elections and the influence of lobbyists on policy
* increase taxes on wealthy individuals in order to pay down federal debt
That's what I mean by digging deeper.
I've never attended any OWS events nor do I plan to, but I like that they provide a counterweight to the Tea Party. I'm all for lower taxes, but given the debt situation it's just not a good idea right now. Both sides have all kinds of crazy going on and both sides can actually influence the direction of government.
I think what you and the tea party fail to understand is that government, however imperfect it may be in practice, is how wealth is redistributed from the rich to the poor. Perfect capitalism, without wealth redistribution, is feudalism.
That article looks a little suspect to me. Most inhabitants of NYC don't live in "homes" they live in rented apartments.
Well put. It seems so obvious, but that doesn't make it any less worrisome.
We can also blame the so-called liberal media for failing to communicate their message and we can blame apathetic slackers like you for failing to look deeper.
Jumping the shark is right. Saw a headline about the "chocolate rain" dude singing for them. GAWD.
You don't get it. OWS is protesting fraudsters like Christy Mack and Susan Karches and the increasing disparity between wage growth between the upper and lower clases.
BENCHMARK!
In the meantime, *please* STFU.
"Honey, it's kinda cold. Can you fire up Linpack on the server?"
How about we take all the energy we are putting into this pissing contest and do some actual benchmarking?? Put up or shut up.
COME ON EVERYONE! BENCHMARK! BENCHMARK! BENCHMARK!
Agreed, f*ck Zynga. Boycott, anyone?
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200 Pedo-watts sounds very dangerous for the children.
Yes I suppose it is in fact the use of "China" and "they" rather than some specific organization within China referred to as "they". If the article is about capabilities within the US or Europe, it typically refers to a specific organization of sub-group rather than the entire nation.
Interesting point about the linguistic aspects. It's funny how vague and quaint language can be compared to experience.
Does the summary strike anyone else as a bit xenophobic? Or perhaps a bit skewed toward occidental cultures?
I have to say, I also kind of love this idea. I wonder, however, how much information technology might affect a drug cartel. I've always imagined their operations to be conducted largely in meatspace. Surely anonymous can stir up some antagonism between the gangs and also provide information to law enforcement in the process.