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Anonymous Takes On a Mexican Drug Cartel
New submitter NarcoTraficante writes "After one of their members was kidnapped in Veracruz, Mexico by the Zetas drug cartel, Mexican Anonymous members have issued an ultimatum to the Zetas in a recently posted YouTube video. The video demands the release of the kidnapped member and threatens to publish information of cartel members and affiliates in Veracruz if the victim is not released by November 5. The Houston Chronicle article warns that there will be bloodshed if Anonymous publishes information on the Zeta's operations, either perpetrated by rival cartels or reprisal attacks by the Zetas themselves."
There's already been one politician web page defaced denouncing him as a Zeta.
http://sdpnoticias.com/nota/216899/Anonymous_hackea_sitio_de_presunto_funcionario_involucrado_con_el_narco
Somehow I don't think the Mexican Cartels are too worried about people finding out their names.
After all of the money spent fighting them, it would be ironic if a bunch of hackers brought the cartels down. (Also a hoot) :-)
So why do the police not have this information? Or do they make up the majority of the people on the list?
Undetectable Steganography? Yep, there's an app fo
It won't be difficult; we all know who they are and where they are located," says the man, who underlines the group's international ties by speaking Spanish with the accent of a Spaniard while using Mexican slang."
LOL.. the guy its using a text to speech program.. !!!
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Can I just say that I think it is fucking ridiculous that we send troops all over the world, even just lately to Uganda, but yet we let fucking Mexico turn into New Afghanistan before our eyes. Oh wait. I know. Keep the drug flow up, keep the police state up. More drugs more problems more need for daddy DoD to swell and swell and enforce and strip rights way.
Nevermind Mexico. As you were. We'll come knocking when you actually threaten our financial interest. Until then, keep up the good show. We won't bother.
'We are trying to prove ourselves wrong as quickly as possible, because only in that way can we find progress.' RPF
They're behind seven proxies. The Zetas are phucked.
These Cartels are a big thorn in the side of the US and especially the FDA.
If Anonymous succeeds here can the US Gov really continue its witch hunt of them?
Sadly the answer is yes. Anonymous has done far too much 'bad stuff' to get the US Gov to say, 'all is forgiven'.
I will BUY TICKETS to that EVENT!
Wonder if Vegas is taking bets?
-AI
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion
I suppose the outcome of this is going to depend on which faction of Anonymous we're talking about here. Any of the Mexican drug cartels are definitely not Amateur Night. I have to wonder if the Anonymous in question here really understands on a visceral level that these people (if you can refer to any of these drug cartel animals as "people"), if they find them, will kill them, likely in the most hideous and painful manner possible.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
Heads will literally roll over this.
At best, any Anonymous outing would create a vacuum that will be quickly filled.
Americans want their drugs, pay for their drugs and our own government can't stop it, let alone some third worlders with much less resources.
Why any government or 3rd party institutions would put themselves between Americans and our drugs is beyond me.
Holder will be sending the cartels even more guns.
"The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old......They literally know nothing." - Ben Rhodes
There's also the fact that they won't take down the drug cartels by revealing a few people on their pay, that Anonymous is not a single person or group that can be legally dealt with, or that being in Anonymous is not a crime. Basically, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
This is not exactly the first online community that has been victimized by the Mexican drug cartels lately. ...So if Anonymous has the muy macho cajones, and it seems they do... I wish them well in their endeavors.
http://www.npr.org/2011/09/23/140745739/mexican-drug-cartels-now-menace-social-media
You can't be ahead of the curve, if you're stuck in a loop.
Please, how in the fuck is this news for nerds?
Please stay in your lane, editors.
Oh, so just cause you're not interested means you must deprive the rest?
Interesting... tell me more about your childhood. No sibs, or youngest child?
-AI
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion
The drug cartels are not playing Anon's little kids game of doxing people. :(
"Anonymous" isn't a single group, it's whatever the fuck people want it to be. "Anonymous" has been responsible for hacking kiddie porn sites, yet at the same time trolling sites for people with epilepsy by putting flashing images on them. Those two "anonymous" groups are clearly not the same. Anyone can do whatever and say it's anonymous, there are even groups that don't frequent /b/, it's just a free for all and an excuse to do whatever.
+1 IDisagreeSoHeMustBeATrollOrAnAstroturferOrAShill
An online group wants to take on a real-life drug cartel. This is definitely news for nerds you dumb fuck.
one goes down another takes its place, with a little bloody war in between to sort things out.
Just drop the freaking war on drugs and it will all go away over night, no more gangsters with
enough money to corrupt whole countries
but the police prison system etc. etc. all make too much money to do that
For the love of all sanity mod this insightful/informative!
RUGBYRUGBYRUGBY
While these online hooligans are often nothing more, they seem to trend towards social justice....but my question is, if they could have all this info, when did they have it, and could they have done this sooner?
Are they responding in kind (having recently acquired the information in response to the situation)
are they bluffing (have faint leads but essentially have revealed all they know so far)
Did they have this info all along and could have published it, but did not for fear of reprisal?
Some of this we may find out on nov 5.
what I'm really wondering though, is if they could have done this all along ?years ago? , or if they only began to gather the information when they "needed" it.
the fifth of november...just sayin.
The person reportedly kidnapped is not named...
So your organization is called Anonymous and when one of you goes missing you threaten the suspected culprit while still not naming the missing guy?
It's not like the Zetas only 'disappear' a couple guys a year; they're a massive paramilitary threatening the public safety of entire states. How the fuck are they supposed to know which guy to return? Furthermore, this splinter of Anonymous is already at war with the Zetas. If they believe they can damage the Zetas so heavily with their supposed cache of information why didn't they do so weeks ago?
It all seems like weird internet posturing, although of course hacker groups and drug runners aren't exactly paragons of transparency. There may be so much back story missing that it's pointless to comment on.
And how is it not?
Information wars, my friend.
Information is Knowledge.
Knowledge is the tool of the nerd.
Please, go back to wherever you came from. You don't know what /. is.
Maybe we should hack some random server and leave a file behind saying "Anonymous 2.0". That'll scare the hell out of them ;-)
Write boring code, not shiny code!
This is fake. It's not Anonymous. The bad thing about the Anonymous collective is that their very nature makes it very easy for anyone to masquerade as them.
The top most voted comments in the Youtube video confirm this.
And yeah, I live in México.
I don't think you're reading his statement correctly. I'm not sure you can read any justification for sovereign manipulation into his statements. He's simply saying that if we insist on putting troops in other countries to suit our interests (which includes nations we like, by the way, such as Japan, Germany, and Turkey) why do we ignore that option when an immediate neighbor has paramilitary uprisings in border territories?
Asking why we're pursuing the imperial option stupidly and inconsistently doesn't mean he's justifying the imperial option itself.
Yes, because there is no way that a multi-million dollar cartel, who kills thousands of people, bribes thousands more, and controls a large stake in the drug running business could possibly have someone(s) from Anon on their payroll. Or people that are extremely proficient with computers and the such to find these people making the demands. I know Anon is careful. I know they have their systems and their secrets. But really, they are a small group of people, and the cartel is more than capable of dealing with them. The only ones they threaten with this list is the people they would expose (maybe a journalist is working for the Cartel because if they don't the Cartel would kill their family) and themselves. I certainly hope that they aren't foolish enough to actually go through with this. There will be blood on their hands.
Anonymous. It used to be I'm Spartacus.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
Anonymous could be releasing a list of people they "think" are involved with the cartels. But, realistically, the cartels rarely leave traces specially online. You need to be an insider to know their names, and actually be one of the cartel workers. Anomymous could have a lot of innocent people killed by releasing names like that. Also, the guy in the video does not look Mexican to me.
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-09-14/world/mexico.violence_1_zetas-cartel-social-media-users-nuevo-laredo?_s=PM:WORLD
I'm glad Anonymous is messing with these assholes, but they better do it carefully. The drug cartels work by fear and intimidation.
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
The reporter responsible for the article takes pain to mention that the mask worn by the Anonymous member is like the one used in the movie Vendetta. I would like to point out to him that the mask from the movie Vendetta represents Guy Fawkes. Guy Fawkes day in England is celebrated on November 5th, the same day that the group Anonymous have threatened to expose the Cartel members. I would suggest to the reporter that perhaps Anonymous isn't so much influenced by some Hollywood movie, but more by an actual attempt to bring down the British government on November 5th, 1605 by a committed group fighting for their beliefs. To highlight the fact that the mask Anonymous members wear is taken from a movie and not in honor of a real movement in history somehow cheapens what Anonymous stands for. It is either a subtle editorial comment by the reporter, a lack of historical knowledge, or an example of some who cannot connect the dots.
sauce plz.
I wish Anonymous the best of luck. At best, they can release a few names and cut some heads off the Hydra. They will be replaced by equally corrupted politicians, policemen, journalists, etc. They might even be replaced by people that will refuse to be corrupted, at first, until they are offered the choice of plata o plomo (silver or lead = become corrupted or die). Most likely, though, they will find out which kidnap victim is being referred-to, torture him until he names names, then follow the chain of names, torturing them and their families, and leave them all hanging from bridges. Honestly, I can't see how this could possibly be a good move. The best move is to pay the ransom or forget about your friend, instead of getting him tortured to death.
To be fair, I feel it necessary to point out that any video display is already "flashing images" - that's how video displays work.
I don't know why I'm risking my karma by pointing this out, but there it is.
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I would also like to point out that most peoples knowledge of the November 5th plot comes from the movie and so is highly idealized. I wouldn't be surprised if many of the people that go by the title Anonymous actually use the graphic novel or the movie as their inspiration for wearing the Guy Fawkes mask.
They simply made a threat. Anyone can make a threat, because talk is cheap. Release the names, THAT will be a real action.
As of right now, we simply have a bluff.
Why would they care about the Silk Road at all? Even if the Zetas are behind it, which seems incredibly unlikely, it can't be more than a drop in the bucket of their total operations. More likely, it's run by some nerd in a basement who has more in common with Anonymous than the Zetas.
The Zetas may indeed use the Internet for other purposes, but I doubt they're so brazen as to start a website openly selling drugs direct to users.
tell me more about your childhood. No sibs, or youngest child?
In the developed world that would be about just under 3 in 4 people.
I am not sure what Anonymous is trying to achieve. They certainly might want to be more specific about their guy... On the other hand, I don't know what they are going to achieve by publishing a list of people's names and addresses. Those are sold in Tepito (black market in Mx City) for 12 000 dollars . :( to be taken down just from the digital front...
And who will be in the list? The previous governor of Veracruz? Everyone knows where he lives. The ones with power will just deny everything and "swear for the bible" (by which i mean, pay their way out of it IF they get in trouble), since being on a list is no proof of anything.
As for the drug lords being smart, they don't have to be smart, they just have to be smarter than the authorities (or at least the non-corrupted, "good" authorities, which are fewer), which is totally unlikely. Just look for the use of GT 200 in the Mexican war. And the have to have enough money to buy or kill those who are smarter than them... They are like what becomes of a big evil corporation: not smart people, just a good system (one that has evolved to become better and better). And just like in the US there is lobbying, in Mx there is probably lobbying (from them) to not legalize drugs.
That said, maybe it will be harder to recruit new adepts to the cartels, maybe anonymous will actually eventually cause some economical damage to them (together with a few more deaths). But the drug dealing is a far too complex problem
sage
The cartels are not trembling at this "list". We have a group who simply has a "list". What trust in their veracity is there? None. Big deal, I can fire up Notepad too. This "list" has about as much pull as a playground clique.
In the late 90s there were several bumper crops of poppies in Afghanistan, and the market was glutted. The Taliban put a huge amount of processed poppy essence in storage for future years. THEN they cooperated in the 'successful drug war', with US support, to weaken their enemies. This was a staged event, because all parties involved KNEW that Mullah Mohammed Omar and his allies had big stores (several years of production) in storage. It was 100% hypocrisy from the start, for all parties.
The Reuters article quoted above has a distorted version of the story, consistent with the 'official story' but not with what actually occurred. It leaves out the bit that the US knew that Mullah Mohammed Omar's allies had vast stores of concentrated poppy to sell after production was suppressed. It leaves out how the USA turned a blind eye when its allies in the region grew and sold heroin, but cracked down hard on groups that were hostile to US interests.
Sounds like some Anon members are about to make appearances in the /b/ gore threads...
Only because the Western Powers had to employ western police procedure and judicial processes when dealing with them. No taking the owner of the field, when the poppies are discovered, lining him up against the wall a shooting him on the spot.
Undetectable Steganography? Yep, there's an app fo
I find in odd that you reason as though Mexico doesn't think it owns any of El Estados Unidos since the Mexican-American War. Durring Hurrican Katrina, if I remember correctly, several ARMED APC's outwardly showing their firepower invaded parts of Texas and towards Louisianna when Hurrican Katrina swamped much of the area. Their intent wasn't neutral and they setup stations in various places without permition from the Sheriff, yet they were mostly ignored for the short time as though they were tempting their antagonism against the civil unrest to demonstrate how far they would be tolerated.
Similarly, I find it digusting that Police and Sheriff Deputies don't tolerate The People to open-carry side-arms yet the same Police and Sheriff having no ties to the Constitution demand that The People tolerate their carry and so-called "courthouse justified" use of the same against various individuals they pre-judged them as being CRIMINAL or FELONIOUS. When The People pop, they're taking down the drug companies and the law enforcement and the judiciary and the army, but it seems today The People is more of a abandoned child or endangered animal because everyone is too busy hurting eachother in various unconstitional professions and activities.
After December the wolves come home. Meaning this, our Military will be home, and there aren't a lot of jobs. But across the border are cartels, loaded with money and generally being a pain in the ass to the world.
This is where you take finely honed soldiers fresh from the combat zone, and start up some "private Black Ops". The combination of possibilities one can play here are limitless. You can make quick fast scores to finance bigger operations. Dig in, set up intel operations until you map out the players. Then it's a matter of figuring out the most elegant and effective low footprint means of eliminating them. Of course you capture their cache of money, dope, weapons, etc, but more importantly, you establish your own replacement system. You grease the right palms, don't abuse the locals, and bring everything back down under the radar, out of the news and everything becomes a ghost.
Too much attention has been brought to this region, and it's really bad for "the trade". It's sloppy management, as everything is a "management problem" if there is a problem. This is low hanging fruit for young mercenaries home from the dried up tit called Iraq. Any "mercenary operations brain" will recognize this as a golden opportunity. I don't think it's a matter if it will happen, but a matter of who will get the prize.
Personally, if I were conducting these ops, I would eliminate the meth production there and keep it eliminated. Frankly, it's rat poison for people, and America has been dosed enough with it. You would even put the squeeze on and shut down the sex slave traffic. Just focus on making money with weed. It's a cash crop that will make everyone more than enough money, giving you enough muscle in the region to keep things civilized. To make it really easy, you get the locals to farm it for you, and give them a taste of the pie. This keeps them at home, and from swarming across the border. It's a win/win/win situation except for assholes.
Of course this is very illegal and full of wet work, and it has to be done intelligently. Which makes it perfect for Americans. Well, the right kind of Americans that is. Usually this means the kind that not only survive, but thrive in war. Many of the dear gentle readers here have no clue what I mean or think I'm insane or creative. That's fine with me, they are right.
Take the Red Pill.
Does this include the CIA support for Afghan opium production during the Soviet occupation?
"When I first heard Daydream Nation it quite frankly scared the living shit out of me." -- Matthew Stearns
Remember this previous Slashdot Story from 9/16? "Anonymous Kills Websites, Cartels Kill Bloggers". The header opened with the following statement:
"While drug cartels in Mexico are disemboweling people they accuse of blogging about drug violence, Anonymous busies itself taking down Mexican government websites. With all the problems facing people in Mexico right now, including drug cartels extorting teachers for 50% of their pay and killing schoolchildren (thus shutting down the school system), Mexico's biggest oil field in terminal decline and drug cartels kidnapping busloads of people and forcing them into gladiator-style contests to the death, Anonymous' actions appear particularly petty."
There have been plenty of posts along similar lines -- that if Anonymous had any guts they'd be going after the real bad guys. Kind of makes Soulskill's story the one that looks petty, doesn't it?
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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion
So what do you get if you merge V with Zorro?
In case you need further proof Anons are thugs and not heroes, here ya go, gang wars.
Depends which country you're from. In the UK every child aged 5 and above knows about the plot, because we hold a celebration every year - huge bonfires, massive firework displays and toffee apples.
It's a Guy Fawkes mask? I guess that explains my confusion at why people were dressed as Jack White.
I don't know why I'm risking my karma by pointing this out
I don't know either: -1 Pedantic
There's nothing "fair" about your statement. The images were designed to induce epilepsy. Your average video isn't. Your reply comes off as some kind of excuse for true trollish behavior (some people think "I disagree" in an argument means the other side is trolling).
if you're in another country. Especially a rich one. The reason we tolerate the Mexican drug lords is they mostly keep to their own little piece of hell, plus a few boarder towns full of people who don't matter. If they start acting like terrorists their liable to get 'liberated'.
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I think anonymous is biting off more than they can chew considering they are trying to threaten people that cut peoples heads off with a chainsaw then post the video's and laugh and gloat about it, while these anon. guys do geeky computer stuff. Won' be surprising if the cartel send anonymous the guys head in a gift wrapped box to show them why computer skills doesn't always equate to the upper hand.
Actually, I was referring to the fact that any "flashing image" can cause an epileptic episode - computer screens, televisions, even a flickering candle have been known to induce seizures in patients.
I'm not condoning the behavior of a group of asinine adolescents who thought it would be funny to imagine the users of a website dedicated to the study of epilepsy suddenly having apoplectic fits, I'm pointing out that anyone with diagnosed (and hopefully, treated and manageable) epilepsy knows to avoid "flashing images" already, and is aware that a computer's video output qualifies as a potential source of danger.
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Petty rivalry like this will only keep the machine rolling...it will not change anything.
The most effective way to defeat the Mexican drug cartels is very, very simple.
Take away their money.
No money, no power base, and that's that.
The most effective way to take away their money is equally simple:
Legalize their product. Put it under proper federal quality regulation and have legitimate taxpaying law-abiding businesses sell it.
In one action you simultaneously create millions of legitimate and sorely-needed jobs, and also instantly dis empower the strongest criminal segment of our society.
The war on drugs has empowered the worst of humans, and has utterly failed to restrict the supply of drugs available to our children in their schools. This approach to keeping our kids safe is thoughtless and does far, far more harm than good (which is no good at all). This is always the *inescapable* consequence of making highly-desired commodities illegal. More money wasted on law enforcement will only add fuel to the flames.
Keep kids off drugs by educating them about the dangers, not by ensuring that they must share a world full of extremely wealthy and powerful criminal drug lords who have no qualms about lacing food with drugs to get children addicted, or kidnapping and murdering them to get their own way.
Of course, the two biggest opponents of the clear-and-obvious-right-thing-to-do are:
1) conservative religious types who utterly lack the capacity for basic critical thinking
2) The drug lords themselves, who profit greatly from the fact that drugs are illegal
Honestly, I am not sure which is worse....the evil...or the stupid.
I think LulzSec proved you can be a twat and hack for the greater good. Sometimes those two groups are the same.
Well, if those retard christians mother fuckers didnt make drugs illegal, lots of people would be happier and safer and crime reduced by 90%.
End result, christians (and all religious believer) are DUMB MOTHER FUCKERS, period.
let me destabalize your beliefs, all history came from aliens and their control of earth, all your beliefs are copies of their planets stories.
Now go fuck off and pray like a mentaly ill patient :)
(yes your daughters has sex with boys)
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
It would take 1000 pissed of dedicated people to join the mexican airforce.
Then one day, go rogue.
And launch 5000 missiles on all the rich families homes/hotels/assets/offices and drug cartels assets.
Or just hire some muslim saudies to crash a few planes on mexican rich family assets.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
Right, because no innocents will wrongfully enter the list, ever. No need for fair trials.
Hey, might as well let what goes on in the US happen in México!
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The reason cannabis can't be patented, is because the US Government already OWNS the patent!
6630507 is the patent number!
-Myke
Just a couple people posting some data that authorities already know. These individuals say "We're Anonymous" and somehow Anonymous gets the credit? So if the same "hacktivists" said "We're Mormon", would it make sense to attribute this action to the LDS? My point is that no matter what allegiance they claim, we can't really associate that group to these actions.
Probably they said they're Anonymous because they wanted to seem bigger and badder than real life.
I don't see why an individual would hesitate to post this intel anyways. Without all this fanfair (sp?)
i don't think that this approach is a good idea for the involved nerds. they just might start shooting citizens with the wrong kind of glasses.
these drug gangs hire kids for the terror work on the streets, only the core is/was sf people. there could there for be brutal retaliation against civilians in this move.
if i would believe, i'd pray for the mexican people suffering under this kind of crime. reminds me of sub-saharan civil war tactics.
Here is your due process: Presumed Guilty
Two young Mexican attorneys attempt to exonerate a wrongly convicted man by making a documentary. In the process, they expose the contradictions of a judicial system that presumes suspects guilty until proven innocent. -- IMDb
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZL0E1J7wOg
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/10/29/1644256/anonymous-takes-on-a-mexican-drug-cartel
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Online-hackers-threaten-to-expose-cartel-secrets-2242068.php
Anonymous de Veracruz, México y el Mundo. Queremos que sepan que han secuestrado a un miembro mientras realizaba #OpPaperstorm en nuestra ciudad. Exigimos su liberación.
Queremos que la marina y el ejercito sepan que estamos cansados del grupo delictivo de los Zetas, que se han dedicado a secuestrar, robar y extorsionar en diversas formas. Una de ellas el derecho de piso a todo veracruzano honesto y trabajador, que se rompe la madre dia a dia para alimentar a su familia. Estamos cansados de los periodistas y periodicos de Xalapa, Cordoba y Orizaba, ya que siempre tiran mierda a las autoridades honestas como los militares y marinos.
Estamos cansados de los taxistas, comandantes y polizetas municipales de Xalapa, Cordoba, Orizaba, Nogales, Rio Blanco y Camerino, Zeta Mendoza que se han dedicado a ser los halcones y mas fieles servidores de estos pendejos. Por el momento no colocaremos fotografías ni nombres de los taxistas, periodistas o de los periódicos. Tampoco de los policías, pero en caso de ser necesario los publicaremos y hasta con su dirección para ver si así el gobierno los detiene.
Nosotros no podemos defendernos con un arma pero si podemos hacer esto con sus carros, casas, antros, bares, prostíbulos y todo cuanto posean, no sera difícil. Todos sabemos quienes son y donde se encuentran.
Cometieron un gran error al llevarse a uno de nosotros. Liberenlo, y si algo le pasa, ustedes hijos de puta recordaran este 5 de Noviembre.
El conocimiento es libre
Somos Anónimos
Somos Legión
No perdonamos
No olvidamos
Esperenos
assuming there isn't too much collateral damage.
As powerful and fearsome as the Zetas are in Mexico and the surrounding countries, they would have a harder time carrying out revenge operations in, say, Europe or Asia. So there is a decent sized group of Anonymous members that might be willing to take this on.
And if Anonymous carries out their threat, and the other cartels respond as expected, the Zetas could be seriously weakened.
What would really screw anonymous is if the cartels decide to collude to wipe them out before they even get the chance to do the data dump.
We are the 198 proof..
If we're taking about gangs fighting each other.
I've always said that the best way to solve the gang issue would be to round up all suspected members of gangs and place them om a deserted island. On that island there's insane amounts of weapons and ammo all over the place, clearly marked. Now let them fight it out until nobody is left standing. Problem solved and everybody can say they went down fighting for the gang. No innocent bystanders are affected and the gangs won't take up space in the prisons. There won't be any left to recruit new members so the gang rebuild will be dead slow. You could even televise the whole thing using automated cameras and make money selling the footage.
"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) --
I wouldn't go that far.
I don't know of any cartels that have bombed airplanes, flown them into buildings, attacked the Pentagon (9/11), attacked U.S. military bases, attacked a U.S. Navy warship, or gone toe to toe with U.S. Marines. Moreover, cartel thugs like to kill and make it back home alive. Radical Muslims don't care.
The cartels have killed tens of thousands because no one has stood up to them. The Muslim radicals have killed hundreds of thousands including 4,000 U.S. troops. Radical Muslims have gone toe to toe against far worse than any cartel has.
--- Grow a pair, liberals... stop letting the Republicans bully you!
I don't want to see anyone killed, but wouldn't this one Anon kidnap victim be aware enough to realize that he may be captured or killed for exercising his right to protest against corruption?
What is the purpose for setting a date like November 5th as the date? That provides the Cartel 6+ days to torture the hell out of the kidnapped victim. Does Anon really believe that this threat holds water to the cartel?
Why not go public right away? Why the delay? If their teeth are that sharp and their bite that bad, do already. Release the names, finish the threat, put the info out in the open for the world to see. The longer this takes the more the one will suffer for all Anon.
I have no love for the cartels, I believe them to be ruthless SOB's. And I believe sadly, that US politics has played a major role in the rising of the cartels to such power. And I would like to see everyone knocked down a peg.
But as for the one Anon kidnap victim, I suspect he is already dead.
Life takes interesting turns, but the most interest is when you're off the beaten path.
If you know you and people close to you are going to be dying anyway, the best chance someone important to you survives is to become the barking chihuahua. And start learning to bite.
That's the reality that hasn't really hit home yet in the pampered big country to the north. You're never free until you are willing to fight for your freedom yourself.
Computer memory is just fancy paper, CPUs just fancy pens with fancy erasers; the 'net is just a fancy backyard fence.
I hope they do take those cartels down, because not even the "federales" have been successful at this
hope the cartel gets screwed over, more and more recently, I've seen the more positive side of ANONYMOUS and I'm liking it
The government of the State of Veracruz headed by @Javier_Duarte has 9 offices trhoughout the state dedicated to corrupting and monitoring social networks. This is probably his idea of having the Zetas deal with the "huge problem" of having people expressing themselves on Twitter.