I'd argue that a selection of accidents chosen for shock value on how mangled the car is while the people inside survived* would also tend to not select 'typical accidents', which I believe would be a relative low speed rear-ending.
How many fatalities like you've described have occurred in a Tesla?
They are notorious for advertising they will meet any advertised price for the same product. The problem is that many of their products, while similar, are only a model that Walmart sells, at least in electronics.
That's not just Walmart. Most large retailers do this. The item it identical, but the model numbers are slightly different for each major store.
the vehicle impacted a roundabout at 110 mph, shearing off 15 feet of concrete curbwall and tearing off the left front wheel, then smashing through an eight foot tall buttressed concrete wall on the other side of the road and tearing off the right front wheel, before crashing into a tree. The driver stepped out and walked away with no permanent injuries
I can't be the only one who finds this amazing. People survive these kinds of crashes, but to be able to get yourself out for the vehicle and walk away on your own is impressive.
What do you do when the Win98 machine has a hardware failure?
Unless you've been stockpiling spares since the late 90s, that is a real problem.
Most places that have these systems have done just that. Plus most of the hardware from that era tends to be a less complex and on larger die sizes than what we have today, so it tends to last a lot longer.
YOU HAVE SOMEONE RUNNING A $50,000 ON Win98? Holy crap that is stupid.
Why? These types of systems are in a lot of industries. None of those systems are on the internet. And probably not even on a network at all. It may cost $10K to upgrade the controlling computer. And for what? So you can play a game on it? Or iTunes, or surf the web? No one in thier right fucking mind is going to do this. These are very specific use systems. They don't' need to do anything more than what they are doing and spending a pile of money to upgrade them to a modern OS will gain nothing.
Here's a car analogy for you. You own a red 1500 lb. Ferrari with a 500 HP carbureted single cam pushrod engine that gets 15 mpg. Are you going to buy another one for $150K that looks and weighs exactly the same and has 500 HP and gets 15 mph too but the engine is a dual overhead cam with a turbocharged EFI engine and maybe some LCD touch screen gauges and a DVD player? It's a more modern vehicle, but you gain nothing of any value. Seems like a waste of money to me.
We can't even get people to agree on daylight savings time.
DST is an anachronism. Only old people (esp. those in congress) oppose getting rid of it. I suspect that when they die off we'll be able to relegate it to the dust bin of history.
I'm guessing you are either fairly young, or have a disorder that affects your long term memory. We had a pretty major push for the metric system in the mid-1970's. But "the old people" were too resistant then too. Here we are almost 40 years later. I guess those tough old bastards just keep hanging on. There hasn't been a push like that since. But it wasn't even the first time. Andrew Johnson signed the bill in 1866 to make the usage of the metric system legal in the US. There was a group of scientists in the early 1920's who pushed for this too.
When I was a kid I thought the metric system was great because of it's simplicity. But I don't need to use my fingers to count anymore, so I'm indifferent now. I can convert any units I need in my head and am comfortable with either system. It would probably be easier to deal with other countries if the US went metric though. Plus I hate when some NASA probe doesn't work because someone forgot which units were being used. Problems like that should be enough to require the government agencies to switch. I think that would go a long way toward switching.
I still find it amazing that we can purchase soda by 1, 2. or 3 liter bottles. But milk comes in gallon, half gallon, quart, and pint sizes. The imperial units have the advantage of making it pretty easy to figure out if someone is either from another country or very stupid though.
Sports cars were two seaters. They were not high revving. They just sounded like they were.
Meh, I reject that entirely. There's a word for a 2-seat car: coupe.
A coupe is a two door car and has a fixed roof. Unless you're old enough to remember horse drawn carriages to be the norm. At that point in time coupe meant a two seat enclosed carriage. But for cars it has always simply been two doors. Pony cars were all coupes. Officially they were called 2+2 coupes.
The Alfa was a roadster, but it was a poser car, a girl's convertible, not a sports car.
No argument here. Pretty much how I vie the Miata today.;-
I would venture an opinion on whether the TransAm was a sports car, but I try to avoid religious arguments on Slashdot. I get in enough trouble for questioning the AGW religion without bringing on the TransAm fans as well!
Yes, but like all politicians; It's not what he said that matters. It's how they later back peddle and redefine the meaning of a word to appease the outraged masses.
Sure, definitions change, but it has always been the case that "sports car == corners well" and "muscle car === accelerates well"
Not really. The following are 3 classic examples of mid-1970's sports cars and their skid pad numbers:
Fiat 124 Spider 0.737 g
Alfa Spider 0.678 g
Triumph TR7 0.772 g
A new 1972 Camaro Z28 did.736 g on the skid pad. Which is better than the Alfa Romeo, and basically tied with the Fiat. With today's cars, those are abysmal numbers. A Nissan Leaf does.79 g. A 2013 Ford Explorer Sport will do.84 g on a skid pad.
For purists, a sports car is a "four wheel motorcycle", open top, high revving small engine, and very light.
Open top never was part of it being a sports car. It's just that most were so damn small anyone over 5'5" couldn't fit with the top up. A TR-7 Red-lined at 6K RPM. The Alfa Romeo between 5700 and 6300 RPM depending on the model. The 1968-1969 Camaro Z28 302ci small block V8 hit peak horse power at 7,000 RPM and red-lined at 7,500 to 8,000 RPM, depending on who you ask.
Sports cars were two seaters. They were not high revving. They just sounded like they were. Those tiny engines sounded like they were revving out because they were so small and high pitched compared to a V8. They didn't particularly hold to the road.but they were light, so you didn't need to overcome inertia as much. A 1978 Pontiac Trans Am would do.817 g on a skid pad. The weight is what kept it from doing as well in the slalom. But how often do you need to do that in any kind of racing, except for Solo 2 racing.
So, I assume something like the Ferrari Mondial was not a sports car when you were a kid?
No, it wasn't. First of all, it didn't exist when I was a kid. It was advertised as a 2+2 coupe. Also,it was a 200HP 80's car. Which is pretty poor, and an abomination by Ferrari standards.
Each "standard" has its place, the fault if any of Tesla was in believing their own hype that the Model S was some kind of sports car (hint: when your car's over 2 tons empty, that's not what "sports car" means. GT cruiser maybe, but no one's gonna be heel-and-toeing it through the race track in anything like stock.)
On one hand I agree with you. But definitions change. When I was a kid, a sports car was a car with two seats. That was it. They were usually small light cars. But the didn't have to be. These days, a coupe is often times called a sports car. Generally one with a higher horse power engine. When I was a kid an MG, Triumph, Corvair, Corvette, etc were sports cars. Mustangs and Camaros were not. That's not the case anymore.
I would probably consider the Tesla S more of a GT car too.But the performance model has a 0-60 time that is seven tenths of a second faster than my 2001 Corvette. So I can see why there is so much confusion with people. 0-60 in 4.9 seconds it pretty damn exhilarating. It's probably an odd feeling to do it in 4.2 and without the roar of a V8 ICE.
Heel and toe is a bit stupid in a car without gears...
The Tesla is a 1-speed fixed gear ratio (9.73:1). So technically it does have gears. But you can't change them while driveing. Only by tearing the car apart to swap out a different set of gears. In the sense that the GP meant, no the car does not have gears. At least none that you can change(shift) while driving the car. So as the GP correctly stated, it is pointless to heel-toe in a Tesla.
" It involves operating the throttle and brake pedals simultaneously with the right foot, while facilitating normal activation of the clutch with the left foot. It is used when braking and downshifting simultaneously (prior to entering a turn), and allows the driver to "blip" the throttle to raise the engine speed and smoothly engage the lower gear. "
It can be done to keep from jolting the car from downshifting when going into a turn. Or to maintain RPM's in the power band of the engine. Both of which are non-valid issues in a care with a 1-speed fixed gear (9.73:1)
And yet, AT&T wants more money because they think they have the right to charge Netflix more to pass through their tollbooth.
- it's not their 'tollbooth', it's their road. On a road you can charge different rates for different types of vehicles, this is the same situation. An eighteen wheeler can cause more damage to the road that requires more maintenance than a motorcycle, this is the same thing: a movie that needs to be streamed a million times takes up much more capacity and energy and basically uses the system much more than millions of small individual requests do.
See, I even used an appropriate car analogy.
Except we paid for the road. They got the money to build the "information super highway" Instead we got a standard 4 lane highway that was designed for traffic from a decade ago. And it didn't even go to all the places it was supposed to.
If you enjoy killing things, you are a psychopath.
Bullshit! While there probably are psychopaths who hunt. They are in the minority. Granted, I'd rather they hunt deer, squirrels, or what ever rather than humans.
I used to hunt, but haven't in decades. But there is something nice about getting away from everyday life and being surrounded by nature. There's the satisfaction of eating something that you had to work for. I think the same can be said for gardening too. There's also the argument that it's healthier to eat wild deer than hormone, antibiotic, growth enhanced meat.
That being said. I think having a high powered rifle with a high powered scope is more than enough advantage. Using drones is ridiculous.
and the rest of the world is learning how untrustworthy the USA is.
Which country of any consequence is trustworthy? Russia? China? In the EU, Great Britain, France, Spain, Germany, etc. don't exactly have spotless histories. Anyone in South or Central America?
Places like Denmark, Iceland and New Zealand seem to be pretty trustworthy to me. But for some reason this just doesn't scale very well. From what I can see, and I very well may be wrong, there is some kind of tipping point when a country's population crosses over the 10-20 million mark. Obviously there are exceptions. Perhaps government simply gets too large to manage at that point and it is no longer possible to maintain oversight on everything.
I don't even need to get started on the NSA disaster
Our previous president invaded two countries for... Well, we really don't have a valid reason
The current president chooses what laws will and will not be enforced because... I don't know, he doesn't like them?
The TSA has to be the biggest farce in the history of mankind. Does the fourth amendment even mean anything any more? Then we have "stop and frisk"
At the rate we're going, the next administration will use the bill of rights and constitution to wipe their ass and then set them on fire. Sadly, half the country will probably applaud them for it.
The policies achieve exactly what they are designed to achieve. It's just that your goals differ from those of the policy makers by a fairly large margin. For example, you would probably like your children to live. They would prefer that your children die.
No. You would prefer your children to live. They would prefer they remain in office. If your children need to die for this, then so be it. But they are just as happy for your children to live if it also means they get re-elected.
China being the lead in space isn't just an economic advantage, it is a military one. Just a satellite with metal rods in a high orbit can do more damage by tossing them to earth than most nuclear warheads can.
Actually those systems were meant to be in LEO and are de-orbited prior to launching. And, no, they don't come close to causing the kind of damage of a nuclear warhead. Slightly larger than telephone pole sized rods are estimated to be the equivalent of 120 tons of TNT. That's about 10X the M-388 tactical nuke that was fired from the Davy Crockett field gun. But those have not been active in years. I have a friend who was trained on those. Due to treaty agreements, we can no longer train anyone to use them, so the army still has the ability to recall anyone with training back to active service indefinitely. Even at the lowest estimate of "Little Boy" (13 Kilotons) that was dropped on Hiroshima is over 100X of one of these "Rods from God". The current highest yield nuke in the US arsenal is the B83, with a maximum yield of 1.2 megatons. The W6 is the smallest yield device in active service with a 100 Kiloton yield. Even that is over 800 times the yield of a tungsten spear from orbit.
He posted a link to an article on Fox News from a NY pediatrician who was warning parents that the flu vaccine......was likely to lead to autism and all kinds of nasty things. At the exact same time there was a different article written by Fox New's own Dr. Manny touting the benefits of the flu vaccine for everybody, including children.
So what you are saying is that they actually are "Fair & Balanced"? I'm confused.
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And also because our tanks are in their backyard.
Their literal backyard.
I suppose it's better than parking them on their house.
I'd argue that a selection of accidents chosen for shock value on how mangled the car is while the people inside survived* would also tend to not select 'typical accidents', which I believe would be a relative low speed rear-ending.
How many fatalities like you've described have occurred in a Tesla?
You should see some of the cars people survived accidents from. You'd think there's no way they could have even lived.
110 MPH through two concrete walls in not your typical accident.
They are notorious for advertising they will meet any advertised price for the same product. The problem is that many of their products, while similar, are only a model that Walmart sells, at least in electronics.
That's not just Walmart. Most large retailers do this. The item it identical, but the model numbers are slightly different for each major store.
the vehicle impacted a roundabout at 110 mph, shearing off 15 feet of concrete curbwall and tearing off the left front wheel, then smashing through an eight foot tall buttressed concrete wall on the other side of the road and tearing off the right front wheel, before crashing into a tree. The driver stepped out and walked away with no permanent injuries
I can't be the only one who finds this amazing. People survive these kinds of crashes, but to be able to get yourself out for the vehicle and walk away on your own is impressive.
What do you do when the Win98 machine has a hardware failure?
Unless you've been stockpiling spares since the late 90s, that is a real problem.
Most places that have these systems have done just that. Plus most of the hardware from that era tends to be a less complex and on larger die sizes than what we have today, so it tends to last a lot longer.
The logical counter to that is:
YOU HAVE SOMEONE RUNNING A $50,000 ON Win98? Holy crap that is stupid.
Why? These types of systems are in a lot of industries. None of those systems are on the internet. And probably not even on a network at all. It may cost $10K to upgrade the controlling computer. And for what? So you can play a game on it? Or iTunes, or surf the web? No one in thier right fucking mind is going to do this. These are very specific use systems. They don't' need to do anything more than what they are doing and spending a pile of money to upgrade them to a modern OS will gain nothing.
Here's a car analogy for you. You own a red 1500 lb. Ferrari with a 500 HP carbureted single cam pushrod engine that gets 15 mpg. Are you going to buy another one for $150K that looks and weighs exactly the same and has 500 HP and gets 15 mph too but the engine is a dual overhead cam with a turbocharged EFI engine and maybe some LCD touch screen gauges and a DVD player? It's a more modern vehicle, but you gain nothing of any value. Seems like a waste of money to me.
We can't even get people to agree on daylight savings time.
DST is an anachronism. Only old people (esp. those in congress) oppose getting rid of it. I suspect that when they die off we'll be able to relegate it to the dust bin of history.
I'm guessing you are either fairly young, or have a disorder that affects your long term memory. We had a pretty major push for the metric system in the mid-1970's. But "the old people" were too resistant then too. Here we are almost 40 years later. I guess those tough old bastards just keep hanging on. There hasn't been a push like that since. But it wasn't even the first time. Andrew Johnson signed the bill in 1866 to make the usage of the metric system legal in the US. There was a group of scientists in the early 1920's who pushed for this too.
When I was a kid I thought the metric system was great because of it's simplicity. But I don't need to use my fingers to count anymore, so I'm indifferent now. I can convert any units I need in my head and am comfortable with either system. It would probably be easier to deal with other countries if the US went metric though. Plus I hate when some NASA probe doesn't work because someone forgot which units were being used. Problems like that should be enough to require the government agencies to switch. I think that would go a long way toward switching.
I still find it amazing that we can purchase soda by 1, 2. or 3 liter bottles. But milk comes in gallon, half gallon, quart, and pint sizes. The imperial units have the advantage of making it pretty easy to figure out if someone is either from another country or very stupid though.
Red Box is waaaaaaay cheaper than Netflix and you can get BluRay discs too!
Netflix has bluray too.
Sports cars were two seaters. They were not high revving. They just sounded like they were.
Meh, I reject that entirely. There's a word for a 2-seat car: coupe. A coupe is a two door car and has a fixed roof. Unless you're old enough to remember horse drawn carriages to be the norm. At that point in time coupe meant a two seat enclosed carriage. But for cars it has always simply been two doors. Pony cars were all coupes. Officially they were called 2+2 coupes.
The Alfa was a roadster, but it was a poser car, a girl's convertible, not a sports car.
No argument here. Pretty much how I vie the Miata today. ;-
I would venture an opinion on whether the TransAm was a sports car, but I try to avoid religious arguments on Slashdot. I get in enough trouble for questioning the AGW religion without bringing on the TransAm fans as well!
LOL. Agreed.
he used the word "should"
Yes, but like all politicians; It's not what he said that matters. It's how they later back peddle and redefine the meaning of a word to appease the outraged masses.
Sure, definitions change, but it has always been the case that "sports car == corners well" and "muscle car === accelerates well"
Not really. The following are 3 classic examples of mid-1970's sports cars and their skid pad numbers:
A new 1972 Camaro Z28 did .736 g on the skid pad. Which is better than the Alfa Romeo, and basically tied with the Fiat. With today's cars, those are abysmal numbers. A Nissan Leaf does .79 g. A 2013 Ford Explorer Sport will do .84 g on a skid pad.
For purists, a sports car is a "four wheel motorcycle", open top, high revving small engine, and very light.
Open top never was part of it being a sports car. It's just that most were so damn small anyone over 5'5" couldn't fit with the top up. A TR-7 Red-lined at 6K RPM. The Alfa Romeo between 5700 and 6300 RPM depending on the model. The 1968-1969 Camaro Z28 302ci small block V8 hit peak horse power at 7,000 RPM and red-lined at 7,500 to 8,000 RPM, depending on who you ask.
Sports cars were two seaters. They were not high revving. They just sounded like they were. Those tiny engines sounded like they were revving out because they were so small and high pitched compared to a V8. They didn't particularly hold to the road.but they were light, so you didn't need to overcome inertia as much. A 1978 Pontiac Trans Am would do .817 g on a skid pad. The weight is what kept it from doing as well in the slalom. But how often do you need to do that in any kind of racing, except for Solo 2 racing.
So, I assume something like the Ferrari Mondial was not a sports car when you were a kid?
No, it wasn't. First of all, it didn't exist when I was a kid. It was advertised as a 2+2 coupe. Also,it was a 200HP 80's car. Which is pretty poor, and an abomination by Ferrari standards.
The GP is still right, the car does not have gear*s*. It has one solitary gear. This, the car does not have gears. It has one gear.
Really? Please explain how that works exactly?
Each "standard" has its place, the fault if any of Tesla was in believing their own hype that the Model S was some kind of sports car (hint: when your car's over 2 tons empty, that's not what "sports car" means. GT cruiser maybe, but no one's gonna be heel-and-toeing it through the race track in anything like stock.)
On one hand I agree with you. But definitions change. When I was a kid, a sports car was a car with two seats. That was it. They were usually small light cars. But the didn't have to be. These days, a coupe is often times called a sports car. Generally one with a higher horse power engine. When I was a kid an MG, Triumph, Corvair, Corvette, etc were sports cars. Mustangs and Camaros were not. That's not the case anymore.
I would probably consider the Tesla S more of a GT car too.But the performance model has a 0-60 time that is seven tenths of a second faster than my 2001 Corvette. So I can see why there is so much confusion with people. 0-60 in 4.9 seconds it pretty damn exhilarating. It's probably an odd feeling to do it in 4.2 and without the roar of a V8 ICE.
Heel and toe is a bit stupid in a car without gears...
The Tesla is a 1-speed fixed gear ratio (9.73:1). So technically it does have gears. But you can't change them while driveing. Only by tearing the car apart to swap out a different set of gears. In the sense that the GP meant, no the car does not have gears. At least none that you can change(shift) while driving the car. So as the GP correctly stated, it is pointless to heel-toe in a Tesla.
" It involves operating the throttle and brake pedals simultaneously with the right foot, while facilitating normal activation of the clutch with the left foot. It is used when braking and downshifting simultaneously (prior to entering a turn), and allows the driver to "blip" the throttle to raise the engine speed and smoothly engage the lower gear. "
It can be done to keep from jolting the car from downshifting when going into a turn. Or to maintain RPM's in the power band of the engine. Both of which are non-valid issues in a care with a 1-speed fixed gear (9.73:1)
And yet, AT&T wants more money because they think they have the right to charge Netflix more to pass through their tollbooth.
- it's not their 'tollbooth', it's their road. On a road you can charge different rates for different types of vehicles, this is the same situation. An eighteen wheeler can cause more damage to the road that requires more maintenance than a motorcycle, this is the same thing: a movie that needs to be streamed a million times takes up much more capacity and energy and basically uses the system much more than millions of small individual requests do.
See, I even used an appropriate car analogy.
Except we paid for the road. They got the money to build the "information super highway" Instead we got a standard 4 lane highway that was designed for traffic from a decade ago. And it didn't even go to all the places it was supposed to.
If you enjoy killing things, you are a psychopath.
Bullshit! While there probably are psychopaths who hunt. They are in the minority. Granted, I'd rather they hunt deer, squirrels, or what ever rather than humans.
I used to hunt, but haven't in decades. But there is something nice about getting away from everyday life and being surrounded by nature. There's the satisfaction of eating something that you had to work for. I think the same can be said for gardening too. There's also the argument that it's healthier to eat wild deer than hormone, antibiotic, growth enhanced meat.
That being said. I think having a high powered rifle with a high powered scope is more than enough advantage. Using drones is ridiculous.
and the rest of the world is learning how untrustworthy the USA is.
Which country of any consequence is trustworthy? Russia? China? In the EU, Great Britain, France, Spain, Germany, etc. don't exactly have spotless histories. Anyone in South or Central America?
Places like Denmark, Iceland and New Zealand seem to be pretty trustworthy to me. But for some reason this just doesn't scale very well. From what I can see, and I very well may be wrong, there is some kind of tipping point when a country's population crosses over the 10-20 million mark. Obviously there are exceptions. Perhaps government simply gets too large to manage at that point and it is no longer possible to maintain oversight on everything.
I can't be the only one wondering wtf is going on in the US these days:
At the rate we're going, the next administration will use the bill of rights and constitution to wipe their ass and then set them on fire. Sadly, half the country will probably applaud them for it.
The policies achieve exactly what they are designed to achieve. It's just that your goals differ from those of the policy makers by a fairly large margin. For example, you would probably like your children to live. They would prefer that your children die.
No. You would prefer your children to live. They would prefer they remain in office. If your children need to die for this, then so be it. But they are just as happy for your children to live if it also means they get re-elected.
Exactly. The Black Death was widespread, but not generally popular.
Perhaps not with humans. But carrion eaters were as happy as a redneck family of 12 at Golden Corral on coupon day.
China being the lead in space isn't just an economic advantage, it is a military one. Just a satellite with metal rods in a high orbit can do more damage by tossing them to earth than most nuclear warheads can.
Actually those systems were meant to be in LEO and are de-orbited prior to launching. And, no, they don't come close to causing the kind of damage of a nuclear warhead. Slightly larger than telephone pole sized rods are estimated to be the equivalent of 120 tons of TNT. That's about 10X the M-388 tactical nuke that was fired from the Davy Crockett field gun. But those have not been active in years. I have a friend who was trained on those. Due to treaty agreements, we can no longer train anyone to use them, so the army still has the ability to recall anyone with training back to active service indefinitely. Even at the lowest estimate of "Little Boy" (13 Kilotons) that was dropped on Hiroshima is over 100X of one of these "Rods from God". The current highest yield nuke in the US arsenal is the B83, with a maximum yield of 1.2 megatons. The W6 is the smallest yield device in active service with a 100 Kiloton yield. Even that is over 800 times the yield of a tungsten spear from orbit.
He posted a link to an article on Fox News from a NY pediatrician who was warning parents that the flu vaccine... ...was likely to lead to autism and all kinds of nasty things. At the exact same time there was a different article written by Fox New's own Dr. Manny touting the benefits of the flu vaccine for everybody, including children.
So what you are saying is that they actually are "Fair & Balanced"? I'm confused.