I've wondered how the NSA (as well as Becker's drivers) can put stuff under the GPL. Without Copyright, there is no GPL. But the Federal Government can not get copyright protection. Everything produced by the Feds exists under the public domain.
I can imagine that a GPL project can incorporate stuff from the public domain (just as commercial software can), but I can't see how things like Becker's drivers alone or NSA patches can be GPLed. MS ought to be free to use any of that code in any way they see fit.
Yes, this is just more proof that the editors never read the site. It was pointed back then that there was a URL http://www.ietf.org/ids.by.wg/secsh.html that refers SSH (and all IETF URLs refer to "secsh". This is because http://www.ietf.org/ids.by.wg/ssh.html is the "Site Security Handbook".
Quote: (Roger Baker, marketing manager for CAE Electronics Ltd. in Quebec)
"NT played no role in the Yorktown?s LAN crash, Baker said."
Surely you read the paragraphs that immediately follow your quote:
Some outside observers, however, said they are not convinced NT is blameless.
It still boggles the mind that any divide by zero error on NT would cause a system to crash, let alone"
27 end-user terminals, said Gil Young, corporate network engineer for a systems integration firm in
Orlando, Fla. "I don't care what operating system, computer or application I'm using, I should be able
to type in a zero and expect the computer not to crash, especially if that zero is to represent a closed
valve."
At about 2200, we were reconfiguring some mail files which, with a lot
of help from Windows NT, got put in the wrong place during the backup
procedure.
So perhaps the National Weather Service can offset some of their costs by offering hurricane warnings 30 minutes earlier to those that pay.
Considering the cost of weather forecasts (launching enough satellites to monitor the entire planet + clusters of computers to run the models) versus the cost of running a bug database (a computer + MySQL + bandwidth + volunteer bug hunters), I'd say that the price of a severe weather warning should be significantly more than CERT's measly $70K.
> why on Earth can't these people charge for a timely and useful service
Well, the first question is whether or not they *pay* for the information in the first case. As they don't even credit their sources, it's questionable whether the bug hunters are gonna get a cut of this money.
The second reason is that CERT is federally funded. CERT was founded to provide security alerts to the government, and the government has (and continues) to pay them. Since I've paid my taxes, I've already paid them for this information.
The issue is that the 4A wants them to pay triple for the ads. Remember the commercial actor strike? They were complaining that they weren't getting paid when their ads show up on the internet.
I thought he answered it quite directly: "We charge money for our software."
This allows them to sell more software. Never mind the first-sale doctrine or any of that nonsense. They want your money, and they have the technological means to extract it. What more did you expect him to say?
Just so I'm clear... you feel that you owe a lot to Microsoft and, as a result, feel that they should have carte blanche for any and all misdeeds? Sounds like "Mussolini made the trains run on time."
Consider AT&T. Prior to their breakup, virtually every business in the U.S. had a telephone and depended upon it for their business. AT&T had "won" the market and no one would ever compete with them. As a result, they sat on their asses and stopped innovating. Everyone had virtually the same telephone in their house (and AT&T owned them all and leased them out). Post-breakup, and what have we got? CallerID, Call Waiting and a gazillion other services. Telephones in every shape and size and available at every price range. True innovation, at last.
> That's why open source products such as KDE have copied all their ideas off Microsoft and Apple.
Apple got the idea from Xerox PARC. Microsoft copied CP/M to get DOS, and then Apple to get Windows. I will give Microsoft all the credit for one result of their R&D budget: BOB was 100% pure Microsoft.
It shows how MS feels about "interoperability". It's not like they just "forgot" to document their PAC, because they did sorta release the docs. And it's not that they "accidentally" left a boilerplate license on the doc, because they threatened slashdot. And another thread questions if the MS document ever truly documented the PAC format.
It's not like this is the first time MS ever took a standard and modified it with the hopes of killing the competition. That's what makes the question interesting. Here we have a case where MS went out of it's way to take a standard and keep others from working with it (while under investigation for anti-trust violations, no less). As an answer to the criticism, they released a document that virtually declared war on anyone that tried to *use* it. After it was widely distributed and unable to stop, they threatened legal action against those that published it. After realizing that they couldn't stop it, they quietly gave up supressing it.
True, it is *now* freely available. It is still an interesting question as to why they originally released it with the silly click-through license and then sent a C&D to/. to get it yanked.
It is not a surprise that, after it was widely published and the click-through license was easily averted that they decided to go ahead and publish it after all. If only others (RIAA) were as clueful to give up when the genie (DeCSS) got out of the bottle.
If you've got the "referer", why not redirect links from "guys you don't like" to pages that describe what you don't like about them.
If a non-BBB member makes it look like they're a member of the BBB, any referred links should go NOT to the front page, but to a page that either says "they're not affiliated with us" or "here's what's wrong with the company you just visited". I think that would stop the unwanted linking faster than anything else.
> What about what goes on in the residential portion of the white house?
He's President. Just about everything he does is subject to scrutiny. If there were *any* loophole like "except in this room," you can bet that Nixon would have not had conversations about Watergate in the Oval Office.
Public officials have to make all sorts of information public that ordinary citizens don't. Howard Stern, for example, ended his gubernatorial candidacy because he didn't want to release his financial records (or at least that was his stated reason).
> If he does this, would the "open record requests" require him to relinquish the key?
Yes. He's the President and not a private citizen. All of Clinton/Gore's email was subject to subpoena. Remember all the hubub about the accidentally missing backups tapes with Gore emails. Do you really think Congress, while investigating the President for impeachment, would say "Oh, it's encrypted... well, it must be a private message between the POTUS and the VP, so we'll let that one go."
The whole purpose of "Open Records" laws are to keep the records "open". Letting a loophole like "unless encrypted" through would guarantee that every piece of email was encrypted and, therefore, not "open". Imagine a world where every FOIA request was denied because the documents were encrypted. They wouldn't even have to bother with "National Security" exemptions anymore.
If you *really* want your congressman to get your message, save the money on the postage and instead give several thousands of dollars to his campaign manager. Only then can you be sure that he'll hear you.
Of course, Palm has a color model now. If you don't care about battery life, I guess.
> 2. It had just as much software as my palm device did.
Fair enough. Of course, MS always claimed that it had *more*...
> 3. I remember reading about a palmOS emulator for WinCE devices.
That won't help you keep your batteries alive or help you with your WinCE OS crashing.
> 4. CE devices get all the cool gizmos. My Vx has IR and a serial port. My friend's CE device has IR, serial, and a compact flash card compartment
HandSpring sells models with Springboards. That's not really a function of the OS, though. The OS is how you interact with it.
> filled with a 90MB IBM microdrive
Good lord, what are you doing with that thing? I still have a Palm III with 2MB. I push that (with e-books), but don't know what I'd do with much more memory.
I use my PDA as a "Personal Digital Assitant", not a handheld desktop computer. I keep notes, shopping lists, schedules, addressbooks, and e-books/web scrapings. It fits in my shirt pocket and I can get to any info very quickly. Batteries last a month.
I like gee-whiz stuff, but not if it detracts from battery life or ease of use.
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I've wondered how the NSA (as well as Becker's drivers) can put stuff under the GPL. Without Copyright, there is no GPL. But the Federal Government can not get copyright protection. Everything produced by the Feds exists under the public domain.
I can imagine that a GPL project can incorporate stuff from the public domain (just as commercial software can), but I can't see how things like Becker's drivers alone or NSA patches can be GPLed. MS ought to be free to use any of that code in any way they see fit.
My pleasure. The series began on Jan 8, 1990 (skip the Sundays) and continues to February 1, 1990.
Yes, this is just more proof that the editors never read the site. It was pointed back then that there was a URL http://www.ietf.org/ids.by.wg/secsh.html that refers SSH (and all IETF URLs refer to "secsh". This is because http://www.ietf.org/ids.by.wg/ssh.html is the "Site Security Handbook".
"NT played no role in the Yorktown?s LAN crash, Baker said."
Surely you read the paragraphs that immediately follow your quote:
SHIP'S LOG 29 DEC
We are apparently out of memory space on the disk, although we're not sure exactly how NT manages its memory.
SHIP'S LOG 22 FEB
At about 2200, we were reconfiguring some mail files which, with a lot of help from Windows NT, got put in the wrong place during the backup procedure.
So perhaps the National Weather Service can offset some of their costs by offering hurricane warnings 30 minutes earlier to those that pay.
Considering the cost of weather forecasts (launching enough satellites to monitor the entire planet + clusters of computers to run the models) versus the cost of running a bug database (a computer + MySQL + bandwidth + volunteer bug hunters), I'd say that the price of a severe weather warning should be significantly more than CERT's measly $70K.
> why on Earth can't these people charge for a timely and useful service
Well, the first question is whether or not they *pay* for the information in the first case. As they don't even credit their sources, it's questionable whether the bug hunters are gonna get a cut of this money.
The second reason is that CERT is federally funded. CERT was founded to provide security alerts to the government, and the government has (and continues) to pay them. Since I've paid my taxes, I've already paid them for this information.
> 3/3/2001 ... Also, it's an Odd Day - all non-zero digits are odd
Except for the digit "2".
All press releases should be worded like this.
Yahoo didn't "publicly announce" that they were going to start selling porn. The LA Times "exposed" it.
/. editors don't read the comments (or even the links), but I'd think they could at least read their own summaries...
I know that the
The issue is that the 4A wants them to pay triple for the ads. Remember the commercial actor strike? They were complaining that they weren't getting paid when their ads show up on the internet.
No one is demanding that DJs be paid more...
I thought he answered it quite directly: "We charge money for our software."
This allows them to sell more software. Never mind the first-sale doctrine or any of that nonsense. They want your money, and they have the technological means to extract it. What more did you expect him to say?
Just so I'm clear... you feel that you owe a lot to Microsoft and, as a result, feel that they should have carte blanche for any and all misdeeds? Sounds like "Mussolini made the trains run on time."
Consider AT&T. Prior to their breakup, virtually every business in the U.S. had a telephone and depended upon it for their business. AT&T had "won" the market and no one would ever compete with them. As a result, they sat on their asses and stopped innovating. Everyone had virtually the same telephone in their house (and AT&T owned them all and leased them out). Post-breakup, and what have we got? CallerID, Call Waiting and a gazillion other services. Telephones in every shape and size and available at every price range. True innovation, at last.
> That's why open source products such as KDE have copied all their ideas off Microsoft and Apple.
Apple got the idea from Xerox PARC. Microsoft copied CP/M to get DOS, and then Apple to get Windows. I will give Microsoft all the credit for one result of their R&D budget: BOB was 100% pure Microsoft.
It's not like this is the first time MS ever took a standard and modified it with the hopes of killing the competition. That's what makes the question interesting. Here we have a case where MS went out of it's way to take a standard and keep others from working with it (while under investigation for anti-trust violations, no less). As an answer to the criticism, they released a document that virtually declared war on anyone that tried to *use* it. After it was widely distributed and unable to stop, they threatened legal action against those that published it. After realizing that they couldn't stop it, they quietly gave up supressing it.
D'oh. The RIAA's task is to realize that the MP3 genie is out of the bottle.
How often do you post on slashdot, and do you identify yourself as an MS employee when you do?
True, it is *now* freely available. It is still an interesting question as to why they originally released it with the silly click-through license and then sent a C&D to /. to get it yanked.
It is not a surprise that, after it was widely published and the click-through license was easily averted that they decided to go ahead and publish it after all. If only others (RIAA) were as clueful to give up when the genie (DeCSS) got out of the bottle.
If MicroSoft has a whole team devoted to interoperability, why was I only able to achieve any level of interoperability through Samba?
Of course, as both MSNBC and Salon point out, the article was originally written at Inside.com (or use their printer friendly version).
If you've got the "referer", why not redirect links from "guys you don't like" to pages that describe what you don't like about them.
If a non-BBB member makes it look like they're a member of the BBB, any referred links should go NOT to the front page, but to a page that either says "they're not affiliated with us" or "here's what's wrong with the company you just visited". I think that would stop the unwanted linking faster than anything else.
> What about what goes on in the residential portion of the white house?
He's President. Just about everything he does is subject to scrutiny. If there were *any* loophole like "except in this room," you can bet that Nixon would have not had conversations about Watergate in the Oval Office.
Public officials have to make all sorts of information public that ordinary citizens don't. Howard Stern, for example, ended his gubernatorial candidacy because he didn't want to release his financial records (or at least that was his stated reason).
> If he does this, would the "open record requests" require him to relinquish the key?
Yes. He's the President and not a private citizen. All of Clinton/Gore's email was subject to subpoena. Remember all the hubub about the accidentally missing backups tapes with Gore emails. Do you really think Congress, while investigating the President for impeachment, would say "Oh, it's encrypted... well, it must be a private message between the POTUS and the VP, so we'll let that one go."
The whole purpose of "Open Records" laws are to keep the records "open". Letting a loophole like "unless encrypted" through would guarantee that every piece of email was encrypted and, therefore, not "open". Imagine a world where every FOIA request was denied because the documents were encrypted. They wouldn't even have to bother with "National Security" exemptions anymore.
If you *really* want your congressman to get your message, save the money on the postage and instead give several thousands of dollars to his campaign manager. Only then can you be sure that he'll hear you.
> 1. It was color.
Of course, Palm has a color model now. If you don't care about battery life, I guess.
> 2. It had just as much software as my palm device did.
Fair enough. Of course, MS always claimed that it had *more*...
> 3. I remember reading about a palmOS emulator for WinCE devices.
That won't help you keep your batteries alive or help you with your WinCE OS crashing.
> 4. CE devices get all the cool gizmos. My Vx has IR and a serial port. My friend's CE device has IR, serial, and a compact flash card compartment
HandSpring sells models with Springboards. That's not really a function of the OS, though. The OS is how you interact with it.
> filled with a 90MB IBM microdrive
Good lord, what are you doing with that thing? I still have a Palm III with 2MB. I push that (with e-books), but don't know what I'd do with much more memory.
I use my PDA as a "Personal Digital Assitant", not a handheld desktop computer. I keep notes, shopping lists, schedules, addressbooks, and e-books/web scrapings. It fits in my shirt pocket and I can get to any info very quickly. Batteries last a month.
I like gee-whiz stuff, but not if it detracts from battery life or ease of use.
> the database is far from accurate
True, but most people who rip their CDs get the names from CDDB, so it has the exact mistakes that the RIAA is looking for.