I've never tried to use Verizon's wireless stuff, but from the looks of the link, they give you the hardware and the Windows or Mac drivers. That's a bit more than just "what's your nameserver?"
We has one fellow here who created an ISO image on a bay-area PC (where we've got the CD burners) and stored the damn thing on his Desktop. Then he wondered why it took him 10 minutes to log on to the machine in his office.
If you can't modify it, then you can't take out the name of the original author or "this notice". Since he insisted that "due credit [be] given to the original author," it seems to imply that he wanted to make sure that, when you modified it, you left his name there.
By explicitly limiting what you could change ("this notice" and "due credit"), he was implicitly allowing other modifications.
"So what you saw with TCP/IP or Sendmail or the browser could never happen."
Neither would it have happened if those had been Microsoft's patented, closed-source innovations.
Until Bill agrees to open everything MS does and allow their "innovations" to prosper like TCP/IP did, I think I'd rather not see the GPL go away just yet.
I guess that makes sense from MS's POV. After all, the only thing worse for MS than not being allowed to make your code part of their proprietary system would be to allow Sun to keep their code proprietary.
> the fact that it took them a month to come back and fix it was unforgivable
Not that I think much of Verizon (I actually hate them), but perhaps it took them so long to get to you because they were busy following up on the other 199 tickets that Covad issued (yours and one other being the only true problem).
From the Verizon declarations of Covad employees:
"At one point, I prepared a summary [of trouble tickets that showed] only approximately 2 of the 200 tickets involved genuine ILEC problems."
I hereby testify that Alex is a nut. As he accepts testimonials as scientific proof, he must now accept his mental illness as a proven fact and get the help he needs.
Well, one thing that both MS and Yahoo! have in common is free email. Yahoo! (unlike google) also mirrors lots of content (news articles, weather, TV listings, maps, yellow pages, etc), so you can spend a good amount of time searching Yahoo! and never have to leave. With google, you type your search and off you go...
Aside from everything else wrong with the episode, why weren't they happy to be home. No one so much as said "hurrah". There was no glimpse of the ticker tape parades or anything. They seemed downright sullen to be back. Heck, if they didn't want to cheer about getting home, maybe they could have applauded the destruction of the transwarp doohickey.
And most importantly... who won the frickin' baby pool!?!
Of all the comments and replies to his original FUD piece, Ransom Love was the only one that I know of that supported Mundie. In Mundie's followup, the only response to his original that he quoted was Love's.
He ignored the fact that several pointed to companies like Cygnus who make money and release under the GPL. He ignored Linus' "shoulders of giants" quote from Newton. And he just plain old repeated the same stuff all over.
Proof by repitition, I guess. If he really wants "an active debate," shouldn't he respond to some of this stuff?
Microwave cooking just isn't the same as traditional cooking. Microwaves are great at making cold things hot, but try toasting a piece of bread in your microwave.
> American people cannot cook anymore
While I won't argue that Americans have not had the greatest culinary influence on the planet, I don't think they've necessarily gotten any worse in the last 50 years.
My folks assure me that my aunt's famously bad cooking pre-dates 1950.
Plastic, unlike granite, is actually being produced for mass consumption. The fact that is not biodegradable means that it ends up land fills, where it stays. There are very few exponentially *growing* landfills of granite.
On the other hand, George Carlin may have been right. Maybe the whole reason human beings came into existence was because the Earth wanted plastic and couldn't produce it any other way.
The article mentions that in 1950, most people were using "safety razors". I'm not sure if he meant ones like this or this. Either way, most people today usually use cheap disposable razors or electric ones.
I guess he never predicted what a revolution the Mach 3 disposable razor would be.
> Housewives in 50 years may wash dirty dishes-right down the drain! Cheap plastic would melt in hot water.
Reminds me of a comic I once saw. In the first panel, "Scientists in 1950: Wow! Plastic lasts for ever!" This scientists are in awe. In the second panel, "Scientists in 2000: Ugh. Plastic lasts forever!" Scientists realize the ecological disaster...
One use of a watermark is to track copies. So if Mr. X buys a DVD and copies it and gives it to a friend and the copyright-police find Mr. X's watermark on his friends copy, they know to prosecute Mr.X.
But that won't work if every watermark is the same, so they won't be able to just stamp these out.
It also won't work if they can't tell which watermark is on Mr. X's DVD. Unless they require registration and outlaw cash sales, they'll never know who the original source of a pirated videos. They would also need to outlaw (or track) after-market sales, because Mr. X should be free to sell his DVD to Mr. Y (who may be the pirate).
Well, as I said, I can imagine that GPLed software can use stuff from the public domain. But what about/usr/src/linux/3c59x.c? That was written by Becker at NASA and appears as a standalone piece of software, but also claims GPL. Since that was developed by the Federal Government, it can't have copyright protection and should therefore be public domain, shouldn't it?
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I've never tried to use Verizon's wireless stuff, but from the looks of the link, they give you the hardware and the Windows or Mac drivers. That's a bit more than just "what's your nameserver?"
Something like slashback?
We has one fellow here who created an ISO image on a bay-area PC (where we've got the CD burners) and stored the damn thing on his Desktop. Then he wondered why it took him 10 minutes to log on to the machine in his office.
If you can't modify it, then you can't take out the name of the original author or "this notice". Since he insisted that "due credit [be] given to the original author," it seems to imply that he wanted to make sure that, when you modified it, you left his name there.
By explicitly limiting what you could change ("this notice" and "due credit"), he was implicitly allowing other modifications.
"So what you saw with TCP/IP or Sendmail or the browser could never happen."
Neither would it have happened if those had been Microsoft's patented, closed-source innovations.
Until Bill agrees to open everything MS does and allow their "innovations" to prosper like TCP/IP did, I think I'd rather not see the GPL go away just yet.
I guess that makes sense from MS's POV. After all, the only thing worse for MS than not being allowed to make your code part of their proprietary system would be to allow Sun to keep their code proprietary.
> the fact that it took them a month to come back and fix it was unforgivable
Not that I think much of Verizon (I actually hate them), but perhaps it took them so long to get to you because they were busy following up on the other 199 tickets that Covad issued (yours and one other being the only true problem).
From the Verizon declarations of Covad employees:
"At one point, I prepared a summary [of trouble tickets that showed] only approximately 2 of the 200 tickets involved genuine ILEC problems."
> has to go through a QA department
If their testing is so thorough, how did this get through in the first case?
> for customers who arent paying them
To be more precise, you should say: "for customers that already paid them".
Of course /. uses web bugs. They still use GIFs, too. This is a "do what we say" website, not a "do what we do" one.
I hereby testify that Alex is a nut. As he accepts testimonials as scientific proof, he must now accept his mental illness as a proven fact and get the help he needs.
You don't leave google if you go to the cached page, but if you click on a link in the cached page you'll leave the google cache.
> I'm suprised Yahoo! is so popular.
Well, one thing that both MS and Yahoo! have in common is free email. Yahoo! (unlike google) also mirrors lots of content (news articles, weather, TV listings, maps, yellow pages, etc), so you can spend a good amount of time searching Yahoo! and never have to leave. With google, you type your search and off you go...
In the "clarification" of the original license (which many took for re-interpretation), Darren claimed "this means no modification".
Now in this message, he claims "The licence is intended to mean that people can use (which includes modify or patch or tune, as seen fit)".
If you *can* modify it, what was the whole point of the "clarification"?
Are you aware that, in addition to Edison, Einstein and Tesla, people also laughed at Bozo the Clown?
Aside from everything else wrong with the episode, why weren't they happy to be home. No one so much as said "hurrah". There was no glimpse of the ticker tape parades or anything. They seemed downright sullen to be back. Heck, if they didn't want to cheer about getting home, maybe they could have applauded the destruction of the transwarp doohickey.
And most importantly... who won the frickin' baby pool!?!
Of all the comments and replies to his original FUD piece, Ransom Love was the only one that I know of that supported Mundie. In Mundie's followup, the only response to his original that he quoted was Love's.
He ignored the fact that several pointed to companies like Cygnus who make money and release under the GPL. He ignored Linus' "shoulders of giants" quote from Newton. And he just plain old repeated the same stuff all over.
Proof by repitition, I guess. If he really wants "an active debate," shouldn't he respond to some of this stuff?
> all visionaries are subject to much abuse.
And therefore, all those that are subject to abuse must be visionaries? MicroSoft must therefore truly be the most innovative company out there.
True, they laughed at the Wright brothers and they laughed at Marconi. They also laughed at Bozo the Clown...
I take solace in knowing that if I'm modded down, it will only because I, too, am a visionary.
Microwave cooking just isn't the same as traditional cooking. Microwaves are great at making cold things hot, but try toasting a piece of bread in your microwave.
> American people cannot cook anymore
While I won't argue that Americans have not had the greatest culinary influence on the planet, I don't think they've necessarily gotten any worse in the last 50 years.
My folks assure me that my aunt's famously bad cooking pre-dates 1950.
Plastic, unlike granite, is actually being produced for mass consumption. The fact that is not biodegradable means that it ends up land fills, where it stays. There are very few exponentially *growing* landfills of granite.
On the other hand, George Carlin may have been right. Maybe the whole reason human beings came into existence was because the Earth wanted plastic and couldn't produce it any other way.
The article mentions that in 1950, most people were using "safety razors". I'm not sure if he meant ones like this or this. Either way, most people today usually use cheap disposable razors or electric ones.
I guess he never predicted what a revolution the Mach 3 disposable razor would be.
> How is a flexible rock more disastrous than the 100 km of rock that we're living on?
Try starting a garden grown entirely in used styrofoam.
> Housewives in 50 years may wash dirty dishes-right down the drain! Cheap plastic would melt in hot water.
Reminds me of a comic I once saw. In the first panel, "Scientists in 1950: Wow! Plastic lasts for ever!" This scientists are in awe. In the second panel, "Scientists in 2000: Ugh. Plastic lasts forever!" Scientists realize the ecological disaster...
One use of a watermark is to track copies. So if Mr. X buys a DVD and copies it and gives it to a friend and the copyright-police find Mr. X's watermark on his friends copy, they know to prosecute Mr.X.
But that won't work if every watermark is the same, so they won't be able to just stamp these out.
It also won't work if they can't tell which watermark is on Mr. X's DVD. Unless they require registration and outlaw cash sales, they'll never know who the original source of a pirated videos. They would also need to outlaw (or track) after-market sales, because Mr. X should be free to sell his DVD to Mr. Y (who may be the pirate).
This is the best answer I've ever seen (although it still doesn't answer the NASA question). Good links and all.
Attention moderators: while I appreciate the 5 you gave me, save a few for this guy, too.
Well, as I said, I can imagine that GPLed software can use stuff from the public domain. But what about /usr/src/linux/3c59x.c? That was written by Becker at NASA and appears as a standalone piece of software, but also claims GPL. Since that was developed by the Federal Government, it can't have copyright protection and should therefore be public domain, shouldn't it?