No you don't. You know plenty of companies that think they'll make more money if their customers believe they're socially responsible and ethical. You are proof that their plan is working.
I think you need to take you tinfoil hat off. Yes, some companies are just out for a dollar - not all are. I run a company that isn't and I have sizeable share holdings in other companies that aren't. I'd say there is a 60/30/10 split out there of good/poor/evil.
But the investors were only concerned because they thought customers would be worried about it and leave.
If you are not an insider you won't always have advance knowledge of business moves such as this, leaving the only opportunity to be concerned after the event; leaving two types: those who speak up and those who don't.
That's how the system works. If it weren't investors being concerned the program would have been stopped because concern was raised by the CEO, or upper management, or some marketting dweebs or somebody else inside the company.
Generally the investors have given a good roadmap of where they wish to head and hire a leader (Managing Director or CEO depending upon size) who fits this description so in theory an idea that doesn't align with that vision shouldn't be implemented.
If it's been deployed then chances are the program has already been by the company analysts and the desertion factor has been allocated a value which was lesser than the projected revenue increase. This leaves only the outsider investors to voice concern.
Under no circumstances would the program have been stopped simply because the customers didn't like it. The only say customers have in the running of a company is whether they buy a product from the company or not. If you want to voice your opinion on how the company should be run, buy stock in it.
Not really. Most companies listen to their customers some even go so far as to encourage feedback. I myself called Heinz and started the ball rolling that got the Oatmeal & Apple baby food label changed, they were also nice enough to send me two jars, one old one new. Working in the bankassurance industry for over a decade I've also seen several programmes started and stopped based solely on customer feedback.
Sometimes the customer is just right.
What has Charter done that's illegal? Injecting advertising after all of their customers agreed to let advertising injected? Using NebuAd is stupid, and I would never buy internet access from any company that used it, but it's not illegal, and I don't understand why you think it should be.
I made no comment on the legality of their actions. I merely said that in the current age it seems corporations have more rights than people, as in the power of a corporation to inflict a patently bad idea onto the general populus is a sorry one; That seems to be your principle gripe too. You know previously corporate charters were closely regulated by the individual states and the law fell heavily in the interest of the general public, not favouring the interests of corporate shareholders or the corporations. They were also required to comply with the charter - or face closure/jail time. If this was 1840 they'd be shut down by the government for breach of charter.
How times have changed.
The government isn't your babysitter.
Well, the government used to be the babysitter of corporations, that is until some states saw the dollar signs of corporate registrations. Some people also need babysitting - otherwise monopolies wouldn't develop.
Actually, I wouldn't say that's the case at all. I know of plenty of companies who are equally interested in social responsibility, their customers and making an ethical profit.
So I guess the big deal is that concerns raised by investors was the thing that had the impact, not concern raised by customers.
In the current age it seems corporations have more rights than people, whereas previously they didn't. If you poison your neighbour you're going to gaol, if a corporation does, there'll be hearings, enquiries, media coverage, fines - but at the end of the day, rarely any cases result in asses in cells.
So the big deal is, companies should care about what their customers think, not wait until their investors voice concerns.
The investors would be fine if the customers were pissed, but the value of customers lost was less than the value of revenue gained by instream advertising.
The investors concerns were that the value of revenue gained would be less than the pissed customers leaving.
Investors don't care if customers get pissed and leave. They care if pissing the customers off and making them leave isn't profitable.
You may wish to consider these then, all the benefits of the low power Mini-ITX boards in a Micro-ATX size costing in some cases less than a third of the price.
After buying my first computer, I've never paid more than $40 for a video card, and that's AUD$! But then I am still happy playing Total Annihilation across the network with the Total Annihilation Works Project Mod.
Shiny graphics are a waste - gameplay is king imho.
there are at LEAST as many scummy buyers as there are scummy sellers on eBay. Yup, like the good old "I never got the package".
You check tracking, it's delivered, you call the delivery service, happen to get lucky and get the actual delivery dude on the phone, even luckier that he remembers your fluro yellow fragile box and can tell you with full certainity the parcel was delivered even providing a physical description of the buyer who opened the front door and took delivery.
Yet, Paypal refunds the money. Package never delivered.
Awesome - as of today I no longer sell on ebay after over 6 years of doing so, I simply will use local forums/etc until an alternative pops up - or they reverse this paypal nonesense.
Living in a desert isn't that difficult as long as you start with a shelter of some form and some living plant material you can use the plant material to condense water & water more plant material to ramp up production to support a small community (that's if you can't drop a bore down).
However at the end of the day, most people don't want to live in a desert because its 'boring', most people don't want to merely survive, they want whizz bang gadgets & the latest entertainment machines.
I myself would much before to buy a few hundred acres of wilderness and start my own self-sustained commune.
I like the idea of PDF books being a bit of a greenie (I only buy second hand books) but I really hate reading books on the pc - shame noone can work out how to build a cheap day light readable machine that can take txt/pdf/etc that doesn't cost an arm & a leg.
Am downloading the book now, thanks for the links:)
Trying to stop something from happening and using all avenues available to you, even if this only slows the process down is not doing nothing.
When the system is set up to allow rampant corruption and audit & compliance processes of multi-billion dollar, multi-national companies have failed and there is the inertia of millions of dollars of profit at stake they have an incentive to continue the same actions, the managers need profits and they won't be there when it blows up and the share price declines - that will be another managers issue.
I took the matter as far up the ladder as I could - to the National Lending Manager that is, the guy who manages all lending in the COUNTRY and you know what I got back? I was in effect simply told me not to worry because everyone's doing the same.
That's not doing nothing - it's trying to stop the actions and having no avenues of action available due to a complete failure of compliance & audit processes.
Doing nothing would have been rubber stamping the dodgy loans and signing them off as a-ok.
That desolate wasteland is now worth a small fortune though - it's filled with coal, uranium, oil, gas & shale:)
Although I curse our politicians for being so supportive of coal and so unsupportive of nuclear power despite us having a no less than three nuclear reactors in our history since 1958 that have had no âoeChernobylâ(TM)sâ people are still not wanting to have a power reactor built â" although in Lucas Heights these very same anti-nuclear people built houses as close to the reactor as they could buy land⦠and then complained about the reactor!
I don't think you can teach a child to be a better nagger, like skin, the ability to nag comes with every child.
As early as 6 months of age persistant nagging manifests in the physical form, followed shortly thereafter by the verbal form.
But I get your point - marketers will go to the limit to sell something, thankfully that's why the standards exist. So when they pass the threshold they can be nailed against the wall. Some times it costs them a little, some times it costs them $58 million dollars.*
Oh, lucky a grammar nazi who's seen the movie wasn't around or I'd be hanging from the rafters!
I'm missing a comma, it was "...run down, in a...", goes to show one shouldn't be/.ing at midnight.
Dog was hit on the road out the front of the house, and the ancient indian burial ground was down the backyard. Of course they just bought the house, and didn't notice the spooky burial ground, and naturally the prior owners didn't give them the heads up about the bring-back-the-dead-machine sitting out in the ole 'yard.
Between the loss of genetic material, the DNA process perhaps generating a slightly different gene structure and the different upbringing & environment I think the end result is going to be an animal that brings more sadness than joy if a persons reasons are solely to replace a lost pet.
I'm honestly struggling to see why someone would really want to clone a domestic animal, even whizz bang rare breed 5.0 would produce better offspring being bred with a similiar stud rather than it's own clone if the persons goal was generating offspring and lets face it, if you can drop $100K on a clone you can afford stud fees for breeding with a real animal.
Have you ever tried slotting vials of blood with biocontainment tongs into a centrifugal separator for processing while your leg is being vigorously humped by Fido 1.0?
Pet Cemetary was more "Bury dog that's been run down in an ancient indian burial ground only for him to rise from the dead with a serious attitude problem".
Secondly, as I already said, things going to shit had VERY LITTLE to do with this type of fraudulent loan. Especially considering our (Australia) economy is still rock solid & growing rapidly despite such issues.
So again, what options existed to raise the alarm? You think a newspaper honestly would run a story about someone no one cares about?
At the end of the day regulation failed as all parties were interested in gaming the system - compliance & auditing works on the basis that Party 1 and Party 2 have different interests, when Party 1 & Party 2 have the same goal compliance & audit measures fail.
And seeing as you didn't catch it the first few times, I didn't stand by and do nothing - I put down barriers as well as protecting myself - I didn't just accept orders and sign off on junk loans.
To be fair Dirk Hartog landed on the West Coast which is deserlate and appears unhabitable, that's why they just named the place and left never giving it much thought. Cook landed on the East Coast which is, well, awesome for habitation and gears clicked over in his head: cha-ching.
If you think about it we're just like a virus. We enter an area, destroy everything, move on to a new area, destroy everything, repeat.
The majority of humans seem to be completely at odds with humanity in general & the environment in which they exist - Seems like the vast majority lost something around 500BC that we never got back - the ability to share and live within our surrounds.
I "own" a lot of land on the moon, was given to me as a joke gift, complete with mining rights - if it turns out valid, it's one heck of a gift. If, more likely, it's just a piece of paper, it's still a really nice framed piece of paper! Complete with a map & co-ordinates of where my acre is.
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No you don't. You know plenty of companies that think they'll make more money if their customers believe they're socially responsible and ethical. You are proof that their plan is working.
I think you need to take you tinfoil hat off. Yes, some companies are just out for a dollar - not all are. I run a company that isn't and I have sizeable share holdings in other companies that aren't. I'd say there is a 60/30/10 split out there of good/poor/evil.
But the investors were only concerned because they thought customers would be worried about it and leave.
If you are not an insider you won't always have advance knowledge of business moves such as this, leaving the only opportunity to be concerned after the event; leaving two types: those who speak up and those who don't.
That's how the system works. If it weren't investors being concerned the program would have been stopped because concern was raised by the CEO, or upper management, or some marketting dweebs or somebody else inside the company.
Generally the investors have given a good roadmap of where they wish to head and hire a leader (Managing Director or CEO depending upon size) who fits this description so in theory an idea that doesn't align with that vision shouldn't be implemented.
If it's been deployed then chances are the program has already been by the company analysts and the desertion factor has been allocated a value which was lesser than the projected revenue increase. This leaves only the outsider investors to voice concern.
Under no circumstances would the program have been stopped simply because the customers didn't like it. The only say customers have in the running of a company is whether they buy a product from the company or not. If you want to voice your opinion on how the company should be run, buy stock in it.
Not really. Most companies listen to their customers some even go so far as to encourage feedback. I myself called Heinz and started the ball rolling that got the Oatmeal & Apple baby food label changed, they were also nice enough to send me two jars, one old one new. Working in the bankassurance industry for over a decade I've also seen several programmes started and stopped based solely on customer feedback.
Sometimes the customer is just right.
What has Charter done that's illegal? Injecting advertising after all of their customers agreed to let advertising injected? Using NebuAd is stupid, and I would never buy internet access from any company that used it, but it's not illegal, and I don't understand why you think it should be.
I made no comment on the legality of their actions. I merely said that in the current age it seems corporations have more rights than people, as in the power of a corporation to inflict a patently bad idea onto the general populus is a sorry one; That seems to be your principle gripe too. You know previously corporate charters were closely regulated by the individual states and the law fell heavily in the interest of the general public, not favouring the interests of corporate shareholders or the corporations. They were also required to comply with the charter - or face closure/jail time. If this was 1840 they'd be shut down by the government for breach of charter.
How times have changed.
The government isn't your babysitter.
Well, the government used to be the babysitter of corporations, that is until some states saw the dollar signs of corporate registrations. Some people also need babysitting - otherwise monopolies wouldn't develop.
Actually, I wouldn't say that's the case at all. I know of plenty of companies who are equally interested in social responsibility, their customers and making an ethical profit.
So I guess the big deal is that concerns raised by investors was the thing that had the impact, not concern raised by customers.
In the current age it seems corporations have more rights than people, whereas previously they didn't. If you poison your neighbour you're going to gaol, if a corporation does, there'll be hearings, enquiries, media coverage, fines - but at the end of the day, rarely any cases result in asses in cells.
So the big deal is, companies should care about what their customers think, not wait until their investors voice concerns.
No, different thing.
The investors would be fine if the customers were pissed, but the value of customers lost was less than the value of revenue gained by instream advertising.
The investors concerns were that the value of revenue gained would be less than the pissed customers leaving.
Investors don't care if customers get pissed and leave. They care if pissing the customers off and making them leave isn't profitable.
I'm here ;)
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Both are DDR2 with SATA & PATA, the later having PCI-E support.
It would also be just as easy to review the code to understand its methods & concepts then apply these to your own code.
However people choose to simply copy entire portions, because they are lazy and think no one will know.
Never underestimate laziness.
After buying my first computer, I've never paid more than $40 for a video card, and that's AUD$! But then I am still happy playing Total Annihilation across the network with the Total Annihilation Works Project Mod.
Shiny graphics are a waste - gameplay is king imho.
You check tracking, it's delivered, you call the delivery service, happen to get lucky and get the actual delivery dude on the phone, even luckier that he remembers your fluro yellow fragile box and can tell you with full certainity the parcel was delivered even providing a physical description of the buyer who opened the front door and took delivery.
Yet, Paypal refunds the money. Package never delivered.
Awesome - as of today I no longer sell on ebay after over 6 years of doing so, I simply will use local forums/etc until an alternative pops up - or they reverse this paypal nonesense.
Well, when it breaks the law*, and you force everyone of your customers to do it anyway, I'd say it is quite unethical.
*Comes under Third Line Forcing legislation.
Australia's 5 cent coin actually costs us 6 cents to make now, so every single coin minted is a net loss.
Living in a desert isn't that difficult as long as you start with a shelter of some form and some living plant material you can use the plant material to condense water & water more plant material to ramp up production to support a small community (that's if you can't drop a bore down).
However at the end of the day, most people don't want to live in a desert because its 'boring', most people don't want to merely survive, they want whizz bang gadgets & the latest entertainment machines.
I myself would much before to buy a few hundred acres of wilderness and start my own self-sustained commune.
I like the idea of PDF books being a bit of a greenie (I only buy second hand books) but I really hate reading books on the pc - shame noone can work out how to build a cheap day light readable machine that can take txt/pdf/etc that doesn't cost an arm & a leg.
:)
Am downloading the book now, thanks for the links
Well that's something I never knew. If I had mod points you'd be scoring some.
When I'm at the book store next I'm going to see if that have anything on Edwin Armstrong there, seems like a very interesting series of events.
Hmm, AM Radio is alive and well here, the AM stations are frequently in the Top 5 most listened to according to Neilsen Ratings.
I'd say AM is very, very far from being 'dead'.
(here = Australia)
Trying to stop something from happening and using all avenues available to you, even if this only slows the process down is not doing nothing.
When the system is set up to allow rampant corruption and audit & compliance processes of multi-billion dollar, multi-national companies have failed and there is the inertia of millions of dollars of profit at stake they have an incentive to continue the same actions, the managers need profits and they won't be there when it blows up and the share price declines - that will be another managers issue.
I took the matter as far up the ladder as I could - to the National Lending Manager that is, the guy who manages all lending in the COUNTRY and you know what I got back? I was in effect simply told me not to worry because everyone's doing the same.
That's not doing nothing - it's trying to stop the actions and having no avenues of action available due to a complete failure of compliance & audit processes.
Doing nothing would have been rubber stamping the dodgy loans and signing them off as a-ok.
That desolate wasteland is now worth a small fortune though - it's filled with coal, uranium, oil, gas & shale :)
;)
Although I curse our politicians for being so supportive of coal and so unsupportive of nuclear power despite us having a no less than three nuclear reactors in our history since 1958 that have had no âoeChernobylâ(TM)sâ people are still not wanting to have a power reactor built â" although in Lucas Heights these very same anti-nuclear people built houses as close to the reactor as they could buy land⦠and then complained about the reactor!
Whoops, that went off on a little tangent
I don't think you can teach a child to be a better nagger, like skin, the ability to nag comes with every child.
As early as 6 months of age persistant nagging manifests in the physical form, followed shortly thereafter by the verbal form.
But I get your point - marketers will go to the limit to sell something, thankfully that's why the standards exist. So when they pass the threshold they can be nailed against the wall. Some times it costs them a little, some times it costs them $58 million dollars.*
*Merck 2008; Deceptive advertising settlement, see: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121130041562407333.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
Oh, lucky a grammar nazi who's seen the movie wasn't around or I'd be hanging from the rafters!
/.ing at midnight.
I'm missing a comma, it was "...run down, in a...", goes to show one shouldn't be
Dog was hit on the road out the front of the house, and the ancient indian burial ground was down the backyard. Of course they just bought the house, and didn't notice the spooky burial ground, and naturally the prior owners didn't give them the heads up about the bring-back-the-dead-machine sitting out in the ole 'yard.
Between the loss of genetic material, the DNA process perhaps generating a slightly different gene structure and the different upbringing & environment I think the end result is going to be an animal that brings more sadness than joy if a persons reasons are solely to replace a lost pet.
I'm honestly struggling to see why someone would really want to clone a domestic animal, even whizz bang rare breed 5.0 would produce better offspring being bred with a similiar stud rather than it's own clone if the persons goal was generating offspring and lets face it, if you can drop $100K on a clone you can afford stud fees for breeding with a real animal.
Have you ever tried slotting vials of blood with biocontainment tongs into a centrifugal separator for processing while your leg is being vigorously humped by Fido 1.0?
That's why.
Pet Cemetary was more "Bury dog that's been run down in an ancient indian burial ground only for him to rise from the dead with a serious attitude problem".
Again, what exactly is "raise the alarm"?
Secondly, as I already said, things going to shit had VERY LITTLE to do with this type of fraudulent loan. Especially considering our (Australia) economy is still rock solid & growing rapidly despite such issues.
So again, what options existed to raise the alarm? You think a newspaper honestly would run a story about someone no one cares about?
At the end of the day regulation failed as all parties were interested in gaming the system - compliance & auditing works on the basis that Party 1 and Party 2 have different interests, when Party 1 & Party 2 have the same goal compliance & audit measures fail.
And seeing as you didn't catch it the first few times, I didn't stand by and do nothing - I put down barriers as well as protecting myself - I didn't just accept orders and sign off on junk loans.
To be fair Dirk Hartog landed on the West Coast which is deserlate and appears unhabitable, that's why they just named the place and left never giving it much thought. Cook landed on the East Coast which is, well, awesome for habitation and gears clicked over in his head: cha-ching.
If you think about it we're just like a virus. We enter an area, destroy everything, move on to a new area, destroy everything, repeat.
The majority of humans seem to be completely at odds with humanity in general & the environment in which they exist - Seems like the vast majority lost something around 500BC that we never got back - the ability to share and live within our surrounds.
I "own" a lot of land on the moon, was given to me as a joke gift, complete with mining rights - if it turns out valid, it's one heck of a gift. If, more likely, it's just a piece of paper, it's still a really nice framed piece of paper! Complete with a map & co-ordinates of where my acre is.