Indeed.. this is a non-story. If the submitter had distributed his app correctly it would have worked out of the box. Instead he decided to rely on a specific version of a DLL being installed on the target system, then blames Microsoft when it all goes to hell.
I doubt the case would even have got this far if he wasn't deliberately trying to pass himself off as the other Donal Blaney. His real name is irrelevant.
People are confusing google wave the implementation, with google wave the technology. Open standards mean that there will be lots of wave compatible clients and servers in the future, just like there are many email clients and twitter clients etc. If you hate something about the implementation.. someone will come along with one that suits your taste. We'll have endless arguments about whether FooWave is better than BarWave, then someone will pipe up and proclaim that 'M-x wave-mode' is all you need*
We won't be arguing about the default google UI, any more than we say email is crap because gmail doesn't have feature X.
* You *know* someone is sat in their basement implementing that right now...
An issue tracker is definately one of the ways we want to use it (if we can get on.. damned broken sandbox invites). It's naturally the way issues work.. currently there's a back and forth of emails, maybe a phone call to clarify.. if people could comment on the individual parts of an issue online (and maybe even add commits to it, if that can be done) it'd speed the process up somewhat. As a development tool it's pretty interesting.
They don't need to know about the plugin, or even what a 'browser' is.
They'll only know that, in common with a lot of other sites, if you click on google wave* you have to install something first.. and they'll click 'yes' because that's what they always do.
* Or, potentialy, gmail or youtube, or blogspot, or any site that wants to implement it.
If everyone has chrome frame it won't matter - IE becomes merely a UI around it, hence no more relevant to the 'browser wars' than whether they have Aero switched on or not. People can code to standards and expect it to work, at last.
If gmail starts to require frame that'll be a huge number of users suddenly using it.. if they do the same to youtube (ditch the flash and use canvas instead) then its numbers will skyrocket. There's nothing stopping google doing either of these things.
I fail to see why you'd use Flash on a chrome based site when it has a perfectly good HTML5 engine that can do 99% of the same things. Surely the whole *purpose* of sticking the metatag on your site to use Frame is to use the advanced rendering..
It could get interesting when Microsoft release IE Frame for Firefox and Chrome, and Mozilla release Firefox Frame for IE and Chrome, and Google release Chrome Frame for Firefox...
Browsers then become little more than a UI and you pick the rendering engine based on the site. Either that'll be nirvana or hell depending on how that happens.
For now I think the people who should be worried are not Mozilla, but Adobe. Some of the stuff coming out of HTML5 demos looks extremely nifty, and uses a fraction of the power that flash uses.
What he means is Frame doesn't activate unless the website asks for this (or, theoretically the user but I can't see that option being so popular if the site works anyway).
So there's no extra work. If you don't want to support chrome then don't.. nothing has changed.
Sure it doesn't have to be browser based but it has to be hosted by something that speaks HTML well enough to understand the contents of the messages (which are far from just being text).. so for the time being that means browser.
Eventually, yes. I imagine that there will be an apt-gettable wave server within a few months.
Theoretically it has the potential to replace email, facebook, irc and twitter all in one - but it may end up just carving its own niche... one thing I see as a potential downer is the requirement to host it in a browser.. you lose things like new message notification, which is a biggie.
I presume that you can make a wave message unmodifiable (I have a number of tasks that kinda require that) - from the looks of it you *can* use wave like threaded email, just faster.
Really? When your boss insists on a Windows solution because he's read some article that said it's 'better' even though the task at hand could be better done another way - that's marketing. And microsoft are damned good at it.
It's possible that this is some kind of double bluff.. they've basically killed the party concept stone dead (who would want to be associated with *that*) but it's just possible this was the plan all along.
If the purpose was raising brand awareness, then they did a good job... now everyone is talking about how vomit inducing this ad is.
If the purpose was to actually get people to put parties on, they did the opposite - they just forwarned anyone to be very careful scrutinising any party invites they get in the next few weeks just in case they end up having to experience *that*.
A lot of people *will* buy Windows 7. Maybe not so many in absolute terms - but MS will buy just enough publicity to make it look like *everyone* is doing it (hell, the launch of XP was the #1 item in the fucking *news* FFS. They probably paid millions for that). Every magazine will be full of 'how cool windows 7 is', every online blog they can buy will be full of 'how to do cool things with windows 7' (and I expect this will include slashdot, since they have feed their families just like everyone else).
A lot will pirate it - and MS are fine with that because if they're using MS products they're not using the competition.
Like it or not, Windows 7 launch will be huge, whether the OS is any good or not.
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Indeed.. this is a non-story. If the submitter had distributed his app correctly it would have worked out of the box. Instead he decided to rely on a specific version of a DLL being installed on the target system, then blames Microsoft when it all goes to hell.
I don't remember anyone saying Vista ran as fast as XP.. not anyone sane, that is.
..and the same photograph?
I doubt the case would even have got this far if he wasn't deliberately trying to pass himself off as the other Donal Blaney. His real name is irrelevant.
Ahh but in Wave you could have edited the original comment :p
On SlashdotWave you could have grammar nazi wars.. bring it on!
People are confusing google wave the implementation, with google wave the technology. Open standards mean that there will be lots of wave compatible clients and servers in the future, just like there are many email clients and twitter clients etc. If you hate something about the implementation.. someone will come along with one that suits your taste. We'll have endless arguments about whether FooWave is better than BarWave, then someone will pipe up and proclaim that 'M-x wave-mode' is all you need*
We won't be arguing about the default google UI, any more than we say email is crap because gmail doesn't have feature X.
* You *know* someone is sat in their basement implementing that right now...
An issue tracker is definately one of the ways we want to use it (if we can get on.. damned broken sandbox invites). It's naturally the way issues work.. currently there's a back and forth of emails, maybe a phone call to clarify.. if people could comment on the individual parts of an issue online (and maybe even add commits to it, if that can be done) it'd speed the process up somewhat. As a development tool it's pretty interesting.
They don't need to know about the plugin, or even what a 'browser' is.
They'll only know that, in common with a lot of other sites, if you click on google wave* you have to install something first.. and they'll click 'yes' because that's what they always do.
* Or, potentialy, gmail or youtube, or blogspot, or any site that wants to implement it.
Stupid thing is.. they *did* think of it first, but didn't get their plugin released in time.
http://arstechnica.com/software/news/2008/08/mozilla-drags-ie-into-the-future-with-canvas-element-plugin.ars
If everyone has chrome frame it won't matter - IE becomes merely a UI around it, hence no more relevant to the 'browser wars' than whether they have Aero switched on or not. People can code to standards and expect it to work, at last.
If gmail starts to require frame that'll be a huge number of users suddenly using it.. if they do the same to youtube (ditch the flash and use canvas instead) then its numbers will skyrocket. There's nothing stopping google doing either of these things.
..which is essentially the same as Chrome frame (albeit less automatic).
Don't see the mozilla foundation complaining about 'plugin soup' with that.. funny that :p
I fail to see why you'd use Flash on a chrome based site when it has a perfectly good HTML5 engine that can do 99% of the same things. Surely the whole *purpose* of sticking the metatag on your site to use Frame is to use the advanced rendering..
It could get interesting when Microsoft release IE Frame for Firefox and Chrome, and Mozilla release Firefox Frame for IE and Chrome, and Google release Chrome Frame for Firefox...
Browsers then become little more than a UI and you pick the rendering engine based on the site. Either that'll be nirvana or hell depending on how that happens.
For now I think the people who should be worried are not Mozilla, but Adobe. Some of the stuff coming out of HTML5 demos looks extremely nifty, and uses a fraction of the power that flash uses.
What he means is Frame doesn't activate unless the website asks for this (or, theoretically the user but I can't see that option being so popular if the site works anyway).
So there's no extra work. If you don't want to support chrome then don't.. nothing has changed.
Sure it doesn't have to be browser based but it has to be hosted by something that speaks HTML well enough to understand the contents of the messages (which are far from just being text).. so for the time being that means browser.
Eventually, yes. I imagine that there will be an apt-gettable wave server within a few months.
Theoretically it has the potential to replace email, facebook, irc and twitter all in one - but it may end up just carving its own niche... one thing I see as a potential downer is the requirement to host it in a browser.. you lose things like new message notification, which is a biggie.
I presume that you can make a wave message unmodifiable (I have a number of tasks that kinda require that) - from the looks of it you *can* use wave like threaded email, just faster.
Indeed.. I installed it on my Win partition because I thought it was something that OSX had built in.
If it installed apache behind my back I'm somewhat pissed.
On the contrary viral marketing is almost completely manufactured.
The best stuff is designed to look 'accidental' or 'cool', but it's all designed to make us go 'hey look at this ' and post it all over the place.
Really? When your boss insists on a Windows solution because he's read some article that said it's 'better' even though the task at hand could be better done another way - that's marketing. And microsoft are damned good at it.
It's possible that this is some kind of double bluff.. they've basically killed the party concept stone dead (who would want to be associated with *that*) but it's just possible this was the plan all along.
If the purpose was raising brand awareness, then they did a good job... now everyone is talking about how vomit inducing this ad is.
If the purpose was to actually get people to put parties on, they did the opposite - they just forwarned anyone to be very careful scrutinising any party invites they get in the next few weeks just in case they end up having to experience *that*.
A lot of people *will* buy Windows 7. Maybe not so many in absolute terms - but MS will buy just enough publicity to make it look like *everyone* is doing it (hell, the launch of XP was the #1 item in the fucking *news* FFS. They probably paid millions for that). Every magazine will be full of 'how cool windows 7 is', every online blog they can buy will be full of 'how to do cool things with windows 7' (and I expect this will include slashdot, since they have feed their families just like everyone else).
A lot will pirate it - and MS are fine with that because if they're using MS products they're not using the competition.
Like it or not, Windows 7 launch will be huge, whether the OS is any good or not.
Actually it's 10. In base pi.
It's on youtube.
The segment of the over 60's your alluding to do *not* use youtube.
Dude... thanks for linking at last to a version that's actually funny rather than that lame 'if we bleep it out it sounds like she said fuck' version.
No potential for massive abuse there... Nooooooo...
Seriously, I think that anyone who goes into marketing should immediately be shot for the good of society.