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Mainstream Press "Cringes" At Win7 Launch Parties

lurking_giant writes "Well, Microsoft has done it again with the YouTube Windows 7 launch party video that is turning the stomachs of even the mainstream press with its clueless and campy marketing style. A Washington Post reader was quoted as saying 'If Microsoft had been put in charge of marketing sex, the human race would have ended long ago, because no one would be caught dead doing something that uncool.'" Even the Guardian's resident die-hard Apple hater calls it "the most nauseating advert in history."

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  1. First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I see everyone else is catatonic from watching the video.

    1. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      After watching the clock on the oven behind them lurch around between 3:00 and 5:00 I have an awful headache, and my eyes and ears are starting to bleed. I think I need to find a constant.

    2. Re:First post... by dov_0 · · Score: 1

      I couldn't watch it all. Couldn't keep attentive to the drivel...

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    3. Re:First post... by gmuslera · · Score: 1

      Blue Skin of Death?

    4. Re:First post... by socceroos · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yep. I'm at a loss for words.

      But seriously, what are Microsoft getting at? This is looking more and more like a cult thing than ever. Inviting friends over to preach to them about the virtues of Windows 7 so the unrepentant soul might offer sacrifices and money to the Microsoft god? I found the advert really eerie and unsettling...

      I couldn't get the word 'scientology' out of my head when watching this... The church of Microsoftology - has a nice ring to it. Doctrines include Windowsology (overarching doctrine which includes many sub-doctrines and principals including DOSomatics, BSODology and Restartology) amongst many others.

      Its Ballmerific!

    5. Re:First post... by TW+Burger · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Uuuuuuuuuuuhuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhh... drool, pass out. No wonder adding comments has been disabled for the video. This reminds me of anti-smoking ads that are so lame and stupid (usually directed at teens) that they make you want to smoke.

    6. Re:First post... by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think its more Microsoft attempting to be similar to Apple. But the problem is they are failing because PCs are just too common. Its not a "choice" to use MS software, its just there by default. And its a pain for the average user. Either they spend a lot of $$$ getting an easy to use Mac or save money and get a PC with problems. Thats just how the average person sees things.

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    7. Re:First post... by Chabil+Ha' · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm actually hosting one of these, but we're also going to be doing comparison demos of Ubuntu and Snow Leopard. In addition to the Windows 7 junk that comes in the party kit (including a free copy of Windows 7 Ultimate), I will be giving out LiveCDs and and discs of free software.

      I think Windows 7 is a marked improvement over XP (I have been using it fulltime since the beta), but friends help friends find what's best for their situation. I have die hard Windows/Mac/Linux friends, so doing it this way is a chance for everyone to explore something new--even if I have to make an excuse like a Windows 7 party to do it.

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    8. Re:First post... by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's a great video. I found it oddly relaxing. Also, watch the clock on the oven. The time leaps all over the place on it.

      They didn't even have the sense to shoot without a clock there to show that one will ask a question, then the answer will be from seven minute prior, then we leap back two hours etc...

      Just absolutely absurd.

    9. Re:First post... by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Thankfully, I woke back up when I saw this edited version of the video...

    10. Re:First post... by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 1

      Such a lame, unfunny comedic gimmick.

    11. Re:First post... by postbigbang · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is a company that's trying to get back the fanfare that they lost after dragging out XP in three service packs, then a real loser with Vista, and misses those lines at Best Buys. Community support makes Windows 7 a kind of empty event. We wanted Vista to be cool, but it was a slap in the face. Trying to buy back user fanboyness isn't easy to do, and this one looks like a backlash attempt.

      If you make good stuff, they'll come and love you. Viz others currently enjoying heaps of (oft undeserved) fanboy love.

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    12. Re:First post... by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "but we're also going to be doing comparison demos of Ubuntu and Snow Leopard"

      Hey, Dude, that's uber cool! And, I don't even talk like that, LMAO! Can you film it? Or at least post about how it goes? Maybe some pics? Come on - ya gotta do it!!

      Is it all geeks, or are you gonna have less abnormal "users" there? Can I come?

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    13. Re:First post... by oldspewey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just make sure your guest list is racially and demographically neutral, and that everybody adheres to the J. Crew wardrobe requirement.

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    14. Re:First post... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      The church of Microsoftology - has a nice ring to it.

      Don't know about you, but the first word that comes to my head when I hear it is Proctology. Of course not related at all.

      Its Ballmerific!

      Ew!

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    15. Re:First post... by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      I see everyone else is catatonic from watching the video.

      I was wondering when there would be a Rule 34 for this ad. Brings new meaning to 'activities' and shooting videos.

      I did three activities - help and how to brings it all together - hands on activity - go deeper into it - Uh..h.a..h.a..ha

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    16. Re:First post... by interval1066 · · Score: 1

      @socceroos: "But seriously, what are Microsoft getting at? This is looking more and more like a cult thing than ever."

      I think Microsoft wants desperately to hit that zompbie/cool/following thing that Apple has. Maybe. I dunno. But for real schlock value check out that Songsmith demo on YT. Wow. Seriously bad. Cindy Perman's article on the CNBC site said it best: "Others expressed thanks that Microsoft isn't responsible for anything that actually involves life and death."

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    17. Re:First post... by OnlineAlias · · Score: 5, Funny

      And the black guy has to be white if you are in Poland. You can just photoshop him out....

    18. Re:First post... by KirstenEliza · · Score: 1

      I agree, I think its Windows trying to be like Apple's Snow Leopard or something. Maybe if those four people had instead been dancing as silhouettes with iPods and a colored background while a Top40 song played in the background, the mainstream press wouldn't be 'cringing'. I'm not getting into the Mac vs. PC debate, I just think Apple's marketing has proven itself more popular in terms of advertising.

    19. Re:First post... by oddaddresstrap · · Score: 5, Funny

      This is your party...

      This is your party on Windows 7...

    20. Re:First post... by Gerzel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Is it just me or is it incredably ironic that the video is streamed from YouTube which is owned by Google. Shouldn't they have their Bing or equivalent knock-off by now?

    21. Re:First post... by setagllib · · Score: 1, Insightful

      In all fairness, when did Microsoft ever have fanfare? Informed computing enthusiasts were sick of Windows after 10 minutes, opting to at least diversify into Apple and free Unix, and nobody else even knew there was anything other than Windows, and treated it as part of the computer.

      Now that people realise they have choices, Microsoft is scrambling to do what it never had to do - actually market its operating system - and has shown all of the competency of a high school dropout.

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    22. Re:First post... by Runaway1956 · · Score: 3, Funny

      HA HA!!!! Yes, the video sucked, but I found cool links!! And, I got a new sig!!!

      I LOVE this story!

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    23. Re:First post... by Gerzel · · Score: 1

      Had they put out quality software in the first place 7 might be called a Vista Service Pack.

    24. Re:First post... by Gerzel · · Score: 3, Funny

      Competition between OS's?

      Doesn't that break the party's TOS?

    25. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got through it by watching the time on the oven clock bounce around between shots.

    26. Re:First post... by Gerzel · · Score: 2

      Those "others" are blissfully ignorant.

    27. Re:First post... by flyingfsck · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think someone with a webcam on an Ubuntu netbook made that 'advertisement' to spite M$...

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    28. Re:First post... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Not catatonic, exactly. I'm fighting this overwhelming urge to wedgie everyone in that video and stuff them in a locker.

    29. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I lol'd

    30. Re:First post... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      While you are at it, you should grab a copy of TinyXP and give that a chance at the demo too.
      Sure its an illegal bittorrent or whatever, but it is the best XP distribution I've ever used if efficiency, speed and a small disk foot print are major requirements.

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    31. Re:First post... by postbigbang · · Score: 5, Interesting

      In reality, there was a lot of fanfare with Windows 95 and 98. ME broke a bubble but Windows 2000, where DOS was finally dealt a death as an underpinning, was a comparatively big deal. There was fanboyism that in turn, gave Microsoft a lift into data centers where they'd never been allowed before. The rest of history is as we know it.

      So yeah-- they had and even may have fanboys. Linux once really sucked, despite its philosophical underpinnings. Apple's MacOS wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, either. Things change.

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    32. Re:First post... by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      It's actually more than lipstick, but it's also anti-climactic.

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    33. Re:First post... by Rophuine · · Score: 2, Funny

      Let's pick and choose some quotes from the video. Are we talking about the launch of an OS here, or kinky new toys for a swingers' party?

      Look at the activities you and your guests can try at your party, and choose the ones that seem to you to be the most fun. There's a video of each activity from one of our parties, and we have tried them all, right?

      Some of the host notes, they list bonus activities... But you may wanna try them, but you have to make sure you have the right devices at hand.

      I mean, it's a good way to get things going, right? Whatever your party is, you got four separate videos of each of us doing bits and pieces of this kind of thing at our own parties...

      You figure out what your guests want, and maybe just play it by ear! In any event, we each did an activity or two.

      I mean, bottom line, guests love it when the activity is about them. Hey another thing, I found that it really helped to name the person to be first with the hands-on activity, and have them pick the next person, and so on and so on.

      Some activies have a ... modest setup, you know, they require certain things for you to have at the house.

      In any case, none of the setup is too hard, right? You need to make sure that you're ready to go when your guests arrive and, there are bonus activities in some cases and, you wanna go deeper perhaps into it then you have to have the equipment to do that.

      I think the biggest thing is to be totally creative with the party and the activities. I mean, this is your party!

      Have fun out there!

    34. Re:First post... by Capsaicin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think its more Microsoft attempting to be similar to Apple.

      Isn't that what they've been done since Windows 1.0? Similar, yet different enough not to loose the look'n'feel litiations. Or am I showing my age here? But yes, you absolutely correct, they are trying to address their image problem (and coming off looking like wannabees).

      And its a pain for the average user.

      It's even more pain for the expert user. When you're manipulation several thousands of files at the same time you realise that what Windows needs is an OS! (Well a shell actually -- personally I operate Windows via a Python shell). Yes the Mac is 'easy,' but for myself the thing that makes it really servicable is Terminal.app. Though I should add of the three systems I use (*nix, osx and win in that order) I'm surprised to find myself on occasion actually using the GUI on the mac!? Wierd.

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    35. Re:First post... by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      I can just imagine hosting one of these "parties" with my customers. The dialog would be something like this: "Hey, this looks like that Vista crap!" " Where in the hell is the 'make it look and act like XP' button?" "Where is the back button?" "Is there anyway to make it look like the Grey Windows with the normal buttons?"

      That is why I am getting ready to install yet another new WinXP setup, and just got another XP Quad moved out this morning. While the kids might go for it (cause it looks as bling heavy as their cell phones) the businessmen and older folks I have talked to really don't like it. The businessmen want the plain Grey Win2K Pro look, and have me switch the desktops to default to 2K grey first thing, while everybody else actually likes the "Fisher Price" XP Blue.

      So while I have bought a copy of Win7 HP to play with, I have a feeling my customers won't be asking me about it for quite awhile yet. I just hope I don't get the "Can you get this crap off and put XP on?" like I did with Vista. I got so damned tired of dealing with that I sent folks that had "downgrade" rights to other shops because I just got tired of dealing with it. Me personally my XP X64 is doing everything I want it to and only using 438Mb of my 9Gb(8 on the CPU, 1Gb for the GPU) that I'll probably just leave Win7 HP in the box until at least Sp1. I only bought it because it was cheap and eventually I'll probably have to work on the thing, unlike Vista where the only "work" was backing up their data before formatting and installing XP.

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    36. Re:First post... by Jesus_666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Except Scientology offers you peace of mind, or at least they pretend to. This was a briefing video for Microsoft marketing personnel. Nothing more, nothing less. Only Microsoft for some reason decided to point it at random people hoping they will just decide they need to market Windows for them.

      It's not exactly breaking news that marketing people have no connection to reality but this is bad even for marketing people. It's like they fed an AI with all the scrapped concepts from the paper can of a marketing firm and told it to acript them an advertisement.

      Given the Songsmith video and the Seinfeld ads I think that might actually be the case.

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    37. Re:First post... by bjcarne · · Score: 1

      I feel sick

    38. Re:First post... by Intron · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I couldn't get the word 'scientology' out of my head when watching this

      I was thinking "Amway"

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    39. Re:First post... by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Am I the only one who read all these parent posts in the voice of the middle woman in the video?

      And is it just me or are they written conversation-style mimicking the pacing of the video?

    40. Re:First post... by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's actually more than lipstick, but it's also anti-climactic.

      are we talking about win7 or snow leopard?

    41. Re:First post... by LeperPuppet · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As to why people are hosting these parties, free software is the answer. Party hosts get a free copy of Windows 7 and some promotional crap to distribute to their "guests". All you have to do is organise some form of party and claim its a release party. Plenty of these parties will just be a host and some fictitious guests. Microsoft PR will happily take the raw numbers and use them in future advertising (ie x thousand parties worldwide and y million guests). I can see why the PR clowns thought this was a good idea, since they don't live in the real world and have no idea how most people perceive Microsoft and its products.

    42. Re:First post... by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      when I hear it is Proctology

      ... the first thing that comes into my mind is L. Ron Hubbard. But that's beside the point...

    43. Re:First post... by ozmanjusri · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I have an awful headache, and my eyes and ears are starting to bleed. I think I need to find a constant.

      That's because the video is intended to mirror the real-life experience of using a Microsoft OS.

      To quote Charlie Brooker;

      It's grim, it's slow, everything's badly designed and nothing really works properly: using Windows is like living in a communist bloc nation circa 1981.

      Seriously though, I think the video is pretty successful. Microsoft has been desperate to hype Windows 7, and the OS itself just isn't an exciting product. The average computer-buying person will notice there have been a few interface changes, muddle through getting their favourite apps and files on the machine, then carry on using it as though it was still 1995.

      Under the hood, the software may be vastly more sophisticated, but in terms of user interaction, not much has changed for more than a decade. And in many ways, that's what their main customers, large businesses want. They don't want to have to retrain employees, change business process, etc, etc.

      So for Microsoft to get people to notice they have a new product out, they need to get some discussion going. They can't outcompete Apple in cool, and that's not their key market. They've chosen a slightly retro, awkward and geeky theme to these adverts, and trust me, the awkwardness is intentional (Remember Bill Gates and Seinfeld?).

      It's not a bad marketing trick for a vast, habitually arrogant organisation to portray itself as a geeky underdog. It feels a lot less threatening that way.

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    44. Re:First post... by jeanph01 · · Score: 1

      If you want a version with commentary, try this one : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oWWt_L-qeo

      1.5 stars over 5 ! That sums it !

    45. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you cannot come. Everyone else is welcome, though.

    46. Re:First post... by POTSandPANS · · Score: 5, Funny

      The clock on the oven kinda reminds me of the estimated-time-remaining clock on a windows file copy dialog.

      xkcd:
      http://xkcd.com/612/

    47. Re:First post... by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 0, Redundant

      A shell is a very powerful tool (one that I can't live without) but a common view is that Windows is great because it provides a pretty, easy graphical frontend to everything and doesn't need a shell. Installing a Windows web server is as easy as checking a little box that says IIS and flipping through an intuitive configuration applet with checkboxes and helpful explanations. When I first discovered that I could install IIS as a Windows component I went through the configuration and was amazed at how easy it all was. God help you if you're a newbie trying to figure out Apache configuration.

      Yes I know how much better Apache is for various reasons; I'm not trying to claim otherwise. But as a matter of philosophy, Microsoft boldly claims "You will never need a shell" and a lot of people rejoice.

    48. Re:First post... by plague911 · · Score: 0

      Pfft im tired of this getting spouted by everyone. Its simply a marketing gimmic by Apple. Macs are not significantly easier to use! They have a usability that is roughly equivalent to Windows. Maybe a little better but not vastly. When I am given a Mac to use and I have to do anything more than just browse the internet I run into problems like "how the hell do i copy paste there is only one mouse button :(" Now obviously this would be mitigated by spending more than 5 minutes on a Mac. But the point is Macs are not some kind of god in usability compared to Windows. Right now Macs are a niche market. They serve two markets. Technical individuals who have a specialized needs where Macs really do excel, and pretentious individuals who want to look cool. If Apple really wanted to break into the main stream market they have only one real option mimic windows functionality. The moment you can switch between a Mac and Windows or Linux seamlessly is the day windows dies. Till than Apple has no real goal of taking over the market they are simply content to be second place. P.S. I hate windows and I wish mac or Linux were real competitors for the desktop but they arnt yet :(

    49. Re:First post... by socceroos · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nope, its not just you. You've been infected.

      Whatever you do, do not scratch out your eyeballs. While it at first seems logical after watching the video, you will forever be stuck with the images in the inky blackness of your mind. At least your eyes can distort the pain by processing other data!

    50. Re:First post... by kindigth · · Score: 1

      Of course Microsoft has a little more trouble finding high-profile followers. But then if Scientology were preinstalled in 93% of all religious households, they wouldn't need the likes of Tom Cruise.

    51. Re:First post... by kristjansson · · Score: 1

      I know a few high school dropouts who could have handled it better, so please don't insult them...

    52. Re:First post... by postbigbang · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Both, now that I think of it.

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    53. Re:First post... by R3d+Jack · · Score: 1

      You *actually* watched all six minutes? I made it to four, and I *had* to stop.

    54. Re:First post... by ozmanjusri · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I think its more Microsoft attempting to be similar to Apple. But the problem is they are failing because PCs are just too common.

      I think you're right about what they're attempting, but not that they're failing.

      They're not trying to make themselves look cool, because as you say, they sell a ubiquitous product. What they are doing is setting their customers up to feel hip. The advert makes it very easy to sneer and feel superior to the awkward geeks portrayed by the actors on screen. People like to feel superior, they even feel more graciously disposed to their 'inferiors'. They might even hold ironic or deliberately grungy versions of the Win 7 parties themselves.

      So, as alert consumers, you have to ask yourself one question:

      "Which is more likely, that an advertising agency with a virtually unlimited budget would make such a truly amateurish video, or that you are being subtly manipulated?"

      Do you feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?

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    55. Re:First post... by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think Windows 7 is a marked improvement over XP

      How?

      (I have been using it fulltime since the beta),

      Why?

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    56. Re:First post... by Cal27 · · Score: 1

      Parties don't usually make you cringe.

      But on Windows 7 they do.

    57. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows7 definitely.

    58. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm actually hosting one of these...

      I'm truly curious, will that be the gayest thing you've ever done?

    59. Re:First post... by digitalgiblet · · Score: 1

      It really struck me like a bunch of the "I'm a PC" guys throwing a party.

    60. Re:First post... by easyTree · · Score: 1

      I couldn't watch it all. Couldn't keep attentive to the drivel...

      Me either. Given the amount of money they've got I'm always wondering when watching that kind of video if it's full of subliminal messages which will turn me into one of the four soccer moms there :-(

    61. Re:First post... by Darkness404 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Macs though in general are a lot more uniform. If you know how to use X app, you can use Y app easily. Yeah, OS X has some oddities that if you come from Windows or from GUI Linux (if you use the shell on OS X or Linux its pretty similar) but once you get over those, they are very constant. With Windows you learn each program by themselves. Yeah, you can figure out some things, but the interfaces are totally different between even MS programs shipped on the same version of Windows.

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    62. Re:First post... by easyTree · · Score: 1

      Linux once really sucked

      *looks at watch* What time do you make it? :P

    63. Re:First post... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1, Troll
      "Under the hood, the software may be vastly more sophisticated, but in terms of user interaction, not much has changed for more than a decade. And in many ways, that's what their main customers, large businesses want. They don't want to have to retrain employees, change business process, etc, etc."

      Well, if they can offer a setting to have all MS apps, revert to at least a choice of classic menus and turning off the fucking 'ribbon' crap, I'd celebrate a little, and at least upgrade for that reason alone.

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    64. Re:First post... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm actually hosting one of these, but we're also going to be doing comparison demos of Ubuntu and Snow Leopard. In addition to the Windows 7 junk that comes in the party kit (including a free copy of Windows 7 Ultimate), I will be giving out LiveCDs and and discs of free software.

      Wait wait wait wait WAIT a minute. You can't just slip that past us so easily. There's a party kit? You're not joking about that?

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    65. Re:First post... by eeth · · Score: 1

      They do already have "evangelists" in place around the world.

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    66. Re:First post... by wellingj · · Score: 1

      Most of my non-Linux-user-friends are feeling the pain of Vista and SP3 and asking about "that Linux thing" because they don't want to fork out more money for MAC or a new computer.

    67. Re:First post... by digitalgiblet · · Score: 1

      OK, now HERE's something fun. Watch that video again and pretend that instead of a Windows 7 launch party, they are talking about a wild and crazy sex party.

      Also watch out for the side trip into racism at about 5:43 - 5:50...

      NOW THAT's entertainment!

    68. Re:First post... by Chabil+Ha' · · Score: 0, Redundant

      How?

      Typo. Meant Vista. Experience feels faster. I play a lot of online games and get 25-50% faster framerate. I never went with Vista, instead been on XP.

      Why?

      "You hear that, Mr. Anderson? That is the sound of inevitability."

      XP is on its way out. Drivers can be scarce to come by with some new hardware, plus the allure of being able to use >3.5GB of RAM is nice, running on a well supported OS. With my Core i7 rig, I never really have to quit out of anything because I can address so much more RAM.

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    69. Re:First post... by egardner4 · · Score: 1

      Ouch! I would say that this ad campaign is the gonorrhea of viral marketing except that its victims get no moment of ecstasy before the agony sets in.

    70. Re:First post... by jensend · · Score: 1

      Of course there's a party kit. Instant party. Just add water.

    71. Re:First post... by wellingj · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You should do a slashdot article on it.

    72. Re:First post... by Chabil+Ha' · · Score: 4, Interesting

      OMG no. You get balloons, a deck of cards, napkins (napkins?!) and free copy of Windows 7 Ultimate. You're suppose to install it on your computer and become familiar with and demo it, but since I've had a copy since the RTM was released last month, I'm just going to raffle it off.

      Most of this crap isn't even going up, but here's the full list of junk:
      -One limited Signature Edition Windows® 7 Ultimate
      -One Deck of Playing Cards with Windows® 7 Desktop Design
      -One Puzzle with Windows® 7 Desktop Design
      -One Poster with Windows® 7 Desktop Design
      -Ten Tote Bags with Windows® 7 Desktop Design for hosts and guests
      -One table top centerpiece for decoration
      -One package of Windows® 7 napkins

      Also included in USA party packs:

      -One package of streamers for decoration
      -One package of balloons for decoration

      Looks like the rest of the world gets the shaft, what with no balloons or streamers...

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    73. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Odd, I thought you didn't need to buy a MAC separate from your network interface - i think your friends are getting fucked with.

    74. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Thats[sic] just how the average person sees things." I don't know what alternate universe you live in, but most people are pretty happy with whatever they've got, be it Windows, GNU/Linux or MacOS X. Not everyone on the planet is a /. nerd. The only real pain for the average user is the bloody advert. At least it's easy to ignore.

    75. Re:First post... by bendodge · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It breaks compatibility with a lot of ancient cruft. That's one of my biggest pluses for Win7.

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    76. Re:First post... by AmberBlackCat · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I honestly believe doing a side-by-side demonstration of Windows, Mac OS, and Ubuntu, to an undecided crowd, you're just going to end up with a bunch of new fans of Mac and Windows. What features will you be comparing between the three? And does it have to be limited to features present in all three systems?

    77. Re:First post... by yuna49 · · Score: 1

      Looks like the rest of the world gets the shaft, what with no balloons or streamers...

      I wonder if the Japanese party packs include a full-sized huggable version of "Nanami Madobe"?

    78. Re:First post... by nmb3000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have an awful headache, and my eyes and ears are starting to bleed.

      To be honest, I didn't even make it half-way through. Being mere seconds away from death by boredom I clicked a Win7 Launch Party related video which looked much more interesting.

      It was. Much.

      Seriously though, I think part of the problem is my complete lack of ability to understand why anyone would have a launch party for an operating system. Yes, Windows 7 is very nice, but a launch party? Really? A launch party is for things like movies and video games. You get a group together and have fun with some brand new entertainment you all enjoy and looked forward to being released. The excitement at an OS launch party? "Ooh, look! I can get work done on my computer more efficiently now! You guys have to try this!"

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    79. Re:First post... by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 1

      But as a matter of philosophy, Microsoft boldly claims "You will never need a shell" and a lot of people rejoice.

      This just isn't true though. To set up and lockdown IIS properly I always end up needing to edit the metabase.xml file. It's possible this has finally changed in win7 though.

    80. Re:First post... by j_kenpo · · Score: 1

      I thought they were telling us how to throw an Orgy. All this talk of "activities" and "pictures" and "watching videos of activities" was a little vague, I swear this is an advertisement for an amateur porn site.

    81. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when does Windows use different mouse buttons for copy and paste? Single mouse button is hardly a problem there.

      Are you talking about that middle-button nonsense with the X selection? No one wants that crappy UI.

    82. Re:First post... by geminidomino · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, anyone other than the staff/dev team having a "launch party" for a movie/game is only slightly less pathetic than someone having a launch party for an OS.

    83. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you mean BSODomie

    84. Re:First post... by Jeremi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But as a matter of philosophy, Microsoft boldly claims "You will never need a shell" and a lot of people rejoice.

      Yes, but then those of us who want a shell get... the freaking MS-DOS Command Prompt. Quite possibly the worst shell interface known to mankind. It's so bad that its suckiness has to be deliberate, Microsoft's way of "encouraging" people to think that clicking on icons is the only reasonable way to use a computer.

      (yeah, I know there are alternatives. My point is that they shouldn't be "alternatives", something decent should be the default by now. It's 2009, not 1981, for God's sake)

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    85. Re:First post... by gbarules2999 · · Score: 1

      I thought it was satire.

    86. Re:First post... by elronxenu · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In the video (yes, I watched everything) they said you should install it 2 days before your party starts.

      That cracked me up. I guess it takes 2 days to install :-) The party will not go smoothly if guests are arriving and the host is still trying to get Windows 7 installed.

    87. Re:First post... by gbarules2999 · · Score: 1

      Don't copy that floppy.

    88. Re:First post... by elronxenu · · Score: 1

      So that's what the guy meant when he said he did 3 activities in half an hour.

    89. Re:First post... by PachmanP · · Score: 1

      Macs though in general are a lot more uniform. If you know how to use X app, you can use Y app easily. Yeah, OS X has some oddities that if you come from Windows or from GUI Linux (if you use the shell on OS X or Linux its pretty similar) but once you get over those, they are very constant. With Windows you learn each program by themselves. Yeah, you can figure out some things, but the interfaces are totally different between even MS programs shipped on the same version of Windows.

      Eh windows is pretty uniform. I have 5-6 programs open right now and they pretty much all have the whole file menu going on which pretty much means that I can get to the program controls in the same general manner. They're not exactly the same with different app specific menus, but I understand the system and it's pretty much not a big deal figuring out what I need whenever. Windows allows devs to make stupid apps that don't conform, but if a dev wants to make a shitty app they should be allowed to.

      Easily confused people might need the exact same thing in the exact same place in every program, but there's no helping some people.

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    90. Re:First post... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      seriously, 10 years and still we have people (the same people!) who can't figure out outlook? If you can't manage that ina decade, how smart can you be?

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    91. Re:First post... by raju1kabir · · Score: 1

      A shell is a very powerful tool (one that I can't live without) but a common view is that Windows is great because it provides a pretty, easy graphical frontend to everything and doesn't need a shell. Installing a Windows web server is as easy as checking a little box that says IIS and flipping through an intuitive configuration applet with checkboxes and helpful explanations. When I first discovered that I could install IIS as a Windows component I went through the configuration and was amazed at how easy it all was. God help you if you're a newbie trying to figure out Apache configuration.

      In the context, I find your comment confusing. Apache is installed on every Mac and you can activate it with a couple clicks.

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    92. Re:First post... by PachmanP · · Score: 1

      Those "others" are blissfully ignorant.

      Wait you're saying that the windows splash on all of the equipment in my hospital room wasn't just some sort of in-joke between highly skilled programmers who really used a secure and stable OS!?

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    93. Re:First post... by Eil · · Score: 1

      . I have die hard Windows/Mac/Linux friends, so doing it this way is a chance for everyone to explore something new

      I reallly hope there's not going to be either alcohol or firearms at that party

    94. Re:First post... by Tyr_7BE · · Score: 1

      Are you talking about how on a Mac, ProgramName->Preferences is always the prefs dialog? In Windows it's always Tools->Options. Getting the program version on a mac is ProgramName->About, Windows is Help->About.

      I'd really be interested in hearing some examples of how Macs are more usable. Everyone loves to sound off about how easy it is to use their Mac/iPhone/whatever compared to everything else out there, but I've found neither one any more usable than any of my other devices or computers. In a lot of cases, Apple's products are actually pretty damn annoying to use compared to the competition. I have yet to hear any good evidence to back up this claim of alleged "usability". It seems to come from people who just prefer Apple. That's fine, but please don't pass off preference as fact.

    95. Re:First post... by genericpoweruser · · Score: 2, Informative

      Firstly, it is newer technology. It includes drivers for modern hardware (XP kinda sucks on my laptop, as I recall). Security is vastly improved (granted, people who won't want to switch are probably the same people who know how to make Windows secure) with things like UAC, which has been upgraded from the Vista version to behave more like sudo (it only asks once per 15 minutes or so). It looks a lot nicer and supports DirectX 10. Many parts 'under the hood' have been improved, such as improving performance by suspending background tasks when a fullscreen app (i.e. game) is running. And of course it has a much more modern interface that I find rather easy on the eyes (though still years behind Compiz Fusion *sigh*), which to me is somewhat important.

      The only thing I don't like is that god-awful "ribbon" in Office (and other MS programs)--but fortunately OpenOffice.org runs just fine.

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    96. Re:First post... by willutah · · Score: 2

      I couldn't get the word 'scientology' out of my head when watching this

      I was thinking "Amway"

      I was thinking "Tupperware"

    97. Re:First post... by GravityStar · · Score: 1

      Depends on how much beer there is at that party.

    98. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How?

      Windows 7 has:

      The fastest boot time on modern hardware.
      BitLocker for removeable devices.
      UAC to enable protected mode in IE.
      DirectX 11.
      Continued driver support.
      Media Player that will play DivX/XviD/h264/DVD videos out of the box.
      and finally, this is only my opinion, a better UI than XP.

      Why?

      Because you can get an sha-1 verified authentic Windows7 Ultimate RTM ISO, and Hazars Windows7 Ultimate loader from thepiratebay.org and you have Windows7 Ultimate for free.

      How did you get modded +4 for such a queermo post?

    99. Re:First post... by Kelbear · · Score: 1

      It's reverse marketing. They put out a video so horrendously bad that the internet devours it and regurgitates it over and over as an orgy of viral revulsion sweeps through the population.

      Now we're all talking about Windows 7, even if it's just to laugh at how lame this video is.

    100. Re:First post... by EdIII · · Score: 5, Funny

      After watching the clock on the oven behind them lurch around between 3:00 and 5:00 I have an awful headache, and my eyes and ears are starting to bleed. I think I need to find a constant.

      There is a simple explanation. While you are watching the video time ceases to have any meaning. The laws of physics and nature are rent asunder and you are thrown into a reality in which only you and that video exists.

      What you may, or may not, realize... is that the clock is different for every person. It represents an unconscious awareness of something very wrong.

      Be happy you have seen the clock. Sadly, some people don't even see it and don't even realize what has happened to them. Like many poor victims they have been traumatically wrenched from this reality and cannot understand, will not understand, what has happened to them. Shoved violently across existence into a sea of un-time they will experience this state of agony forever.

      A work of evil worthy of the old gods it is.

    101. Re:First post... by lsolano · · Score: 1

      sh*t, you stole my joke!

    102. Re:First post... by isaac338 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One thing that strikes me about my mac is that it doesn't treat me like an enormous retard. I don't have stupid little dogs popping up to "find" files for me, I don't have to click through 5 warnings about how what I'm about to do will end the world when I try to navigate out of my home directory, and the whole experience isn't dumbed down to the level of a 2 year old.

      Yes, I know you can turn all that shit off in windows, but why do I have to? Every time I use a windows computer it leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

    103. Re:First post... by babyrat · · Score: 0

      You must be kidding - you say you have used Macs and iPhones but don't find them more usable?

      Examples:

      iPod:

      • Scroll wheel - made the IPod way more usable than every other mp3 player out at the time (and maybe even still)
      • IPhone/Touch:

        • pinch to zoom
        • flick to scroll
        • the algorithms used to figure out what you are poking (i just used a windows tablet PC with a touchscreen and had a heck of a time selecting some of the smaller UI objects)
        • The way you add photos to contacts - you can crop and zoom as part of the process

        Mac:

        • Drag and Drop functionality (you can drop to apps minimized in the dock)
        • two finger track pad functionality (two finger scroll, two finger tap to 'right click')

        I could go on...

    104. Re:First post... by ultranova · · Score: 1, Troll

      Well, if they can offer a setting to have all MS apps, revert to at least a choice of classic menus and turning off the fucking 'ribbon' crap, I'd celebrate a little, and at least upgrade for that reason alone.

      Actually, I've heard that Windows 7 further refines the ribbon into a string, for which there will be a different one for each edition with different operations optimized as easy. The grand unified one, the "super string" for Ultimate, is still in development, as top scientists haven't yet figured out how to make a string theory that would make all operations easy.

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    105. Re:First post... by dwarfsoft · · Score: 1

      Even GroupWise looks like Outlook these days :/

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    106. Re:First post... by rs79 · · Score: 1

      "It really struck me like a bunch of the "I'm a PC" guys throwing a party."

      I thought it was his mum and her other retarded children.

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    107. Re:First post... by electrons_are_brave · · Score: 1
      We're taking this to literally. Surely? I mean Windows isn't seriously thinking people will host one of these parties. Do they?? It looks to me like they are just carving up the demographic. So they realise that Apple has captured the cool, gadgety, expensive people and rather than competing with that they've figured OK we'll just go for those daggy people who plan parties around themes and eat cubes of cheese speared on little sticks. The tupperware people versus the Arne Jacobsen cutlery set

      So where the fuck does that leave me?

    108. Re:First post... by rs79 · · Score: 4, Funny

      "One table top centerpiece for decoration"

      A centerpiece? A fucking centerpiece? Really?

      The BSD party kit is so much easier. Weed and sunglasses.

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    109. Re:First post... by okmijnuhb · · Score: 1

      No worries, you can't have a cult if it's so stupid nobody would ever join.

    110. Re:First post... by cgenman · · Score: 1

      Part of the reason why WindowsME was such a huge failure, was because it was marketed for (quite literally) years before it launched. This locked Microsoft into a title and a launch date which they couldn't worm out of when the OS wasn't going to be ready. So instead of holding off the codebase we know as XP to be ready, they hacked together a version of Windows 98 in an attempt to create an upgrade to meet the consumer demand.

      It was one of Microsoft's biggest mistakes, and it was entirely driven by their successful marketing building up demand for a product that was going to be late.

    111. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I literally watched the video for only three seconds before I had to stop.

      It was that awful.

    112. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Troll?

      Looks like the "Reputation Managers" have plenty of mod points to burn today...

    113. Re:First post... by darthvader100 · · Score: 1

      I will be giving out LiveCDs and and discs of free software.

      Don't get overexcited and wet yourself about the free software. (I'm not saying it isn't necessarily good, but he may be handing out AOL CDs....)

    114. Re:First post... by honkycat · · Score: 1

      To be fair, it took ~1 hour to install on my shiny new macbook under Bootcamp, and that included installing the Apple drivers. It "works" modulo the fact that the multitouch drivers suck serious ass, but that's actually not MS's fault...

    115. Re:First post... by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 1

      "In addition to the Windows 7 junk that comes in the party kit..."

      Wait wait wait. There's a PARTY KIT?!?

      Ain't no party like a Win7 party 'cause the Win7 parties all night!

      Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha[gasp/breath]hahahahahahahahaha!

      OMG, I'm dizzy. Seriously, tho, it's an operating system. Big freakin' deal. And it's not even truly a new OS. It's an overhaul and remodel of the steaming turd that was Vista. Making a big deal about it is like saying, "Hey, the pizza place didn't screw up our order this time!" And I LIKE Win7. I've been running it since the first beta on both my gaming rig and my netbook. It works beautifully across that huge gap in power/capacity. But I'm not having a party about it. It works. That's what I EXPECT it to do. :)

    116. Re:First post... by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Occam's Razor suggests a simpler explanation: Vid is fucking stupid.

    117. Re:First post... by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Funny

      Depends on how much beer there is at that party.

      That suggests a great marketing strategy for Linux: Throw Linux kegger parties next door to the W7 parties. Motto: Get smashed with Tux.

    118. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm hosting a launch party too, and doing almost exactly the same thing :P No Snow Leopard for me, but I'll have a PC on display with Ubuntu in "Mac Mode" for the Apple fans.

      I'm also allowing access to my 100+ gigs of music to anyone who wants it. Don't tell the RIAA!

    119. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously haven't heard of PowerShell

    120. Re:First post... by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      A lot of modern apps have done away with the file menu...
      I also find cut+paste extremely irritating on windows, sometimes it ctrl+c and sometimes its shift+insert, sometimes theres a right click context menu, sometimes you cant even select the text until you active a select option, sometimes ctrl+c means something else - like kill...

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    121. Re:First post... by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Linux is even better at breaking compatibility with all that ancient cruft...

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    122. Re:First post... by countach · · Score: 1

      On the face of it, Macs are not much easier to use. Macs and PCs have the same basic elements. But if you've used both for a significant period of time, one starts to notice how crappy windows stuff is designed. Take user account management and all the option available under windows and Mac. Both have similar features, but windows is heaps more complicated, and takes about 20 more clicks to achieve anything. Similarly for network setup.

    123. Re:First post... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      It's like... Amway!

    124. Re:First post... by nmb3000 · · Score: 1

      Actually, anyone other than the staff/dev team having a "launch party" for a movie/game is only slightly less pathetic than someone having a launch party for an OS.

      Oh, I don't think that's necessarily true. Lots of people go to midnight showings of a new movie, and that's pretty much as close to a "launch party" you can have with movies. Same thing for video games -- people meet up and purchase their copy of the game at midnight of release day, and this can be (but isn't always) somewhat party-ish.

      Traditionally I'd agree with you that launch parties are usually best left for designers to celebrate the completion of a big product. That said, if you are going to have a release party, operating systems seem like they're right down there with word processing and spreadsheet software in terms of exciting.

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    125. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not the person you're replying to, but I'll respond anyway. Firstly, the iPod scroll wheel. I'm not denying that it's innovative, and a really cool application of technology (it's basically a modified touchpad), but as a PMP user interface I think it's rather crummy. It has

      1. A large sensitive area (If I had a dollar for every time I've blasted my eardrums, I might be able to afford to pay to see a doctor about it. And yes, I know about the volume lock, some of my songs are very quiet)
      2. Less tactile feedback than a button
      3. Difficulty in scrolling to a particular item
      4. Difficulty in using the buttons without nudging the wheels

      . I can't speak for iPhones/iTouches, as I've never used one (don't like the idea of touchscreens, I have enough problems with my computer screens getting dirty, and I don't rub my fingers all over them). I have however used the Macbook touch-pads, and although it too is a cool tech, it's not my preferred method (I'm used to using the one finger with my others on the keyboard).

      My point is that what you find best might not be my idea of what's best. If you're mad enough to think that there's "one true" usability solution, or heck, even "one true solution" for anything, then you're a lunatic and I shall have nothing further to do with you.

    126. Re:First post... by psYchotic87 · · Score: 1

      Yes, I know you can turn all that shit off in windows, but why do I have to?

      Well, that's because the lowest common denominator in the group of windows users actually is ... wait for it... the enormous retard!

    127. Re:First post... by cerberusss · · Score: 5, Funny

      A work of evil worthy of the old gods it is.

      They are among us and they are on the internet.

      Let me tell you a story.

      Stacy Griffith, 15, liked frequenting chat rooms online. One day, she met a funny, goofy boy who was deep and intelligent. They talked all the time and eventually, they decided they were going to meet up at a mall in Stacy's home town.

      Only when they met, Stacy realized he was no boy.

      It was motherfucking Cthulhu. Holy fucking shit.

      5,000 Americal girls lose their sanity to Cthulhu each year. Stop online predatation from Great Old Ones before it can start. Educate your children about Cthulhu today.

      (Seen on Wil Wheaton's blog.)

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    128. Re:First post... by antime · · Score: 1
    129. Re:First post... by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      The BSD party kit is so much easier. Weed and sunglasses.

      I thought I smelled sulphur after installing FreeBSD 7.2. I ascribed it to an over-livid imagination. But now that you mention it, it could've been pot!

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    130. Re:First post... by Philip_the_physicist · · Score: 1

      Seriously though, I think part of the problem is my complete lack of ability to understand why anyone would have a launch party for an operating system.

      Because MS are giving out money for supplies, which means free (as in beer) beer. The requirements are pretty minimal as well, or so I hear.

    131. Re:First post... by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 1

      If the launch party involved playing the game I'd understand.

      OS Launch? God no.

    132. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Lots of people go to midnight showings of a new movie, and that's pretty much as close to a "launch party" you can have with movies. Same thing for video games -- people meet up and purchase their copy of the game at midnight of release day, and this can be (but isn't always) somewhat party-ish." Indeed, and what's pathetic about that?! Right?!

      Answer: Everything.

    133. Re:First post... by mxh83 · · Score: 0, Troll

      There needs to be a way to moderate the moderators... "ME broke a bubble but Windows 2000, where DOS was finally dealt a death as an underpinning, was a comparatively big deal."

    134. Re:First post... by toQDuj · · Score: 1

      Have to agree with goldberg here; lame.

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    135. Re:First post... by FingerSoup · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and Windows 7 comes with Powershell - a scriptable shell and command language supposedly more powerful than the command prompt.... If you never needed one, why would they give you 2 different ones?

    136. Re:First post... by CarpetShark · · Score: 2, Funny

      Competition between OS's?

      Not if it's rigged.

    137. Re:First post... by AnalPerfume · · Score: 1

      Are you breaking the terms & conditions of the party if you don't cripple Ubuntu and OSX to ensure Windows 7 is the clear winner in every case? The last thing Microsoft would want after giving you a free randomly generated number on a sticker is their software actually getting a fair comparison. They don't pay a fortune on astroturfers for nothing you know.

    138. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was sickened by the oh so predictable presence of a black man in the video...
      Like black men are contributing anything to the world.

      Can you tell me the names of all the black programmers in Africa? After all, "We're all the same", right? So therefore Africa should have proportionally as many computer programmers as India, and Japan, and the U.S.A. Right?

      Sickening 'race mixing' propaganda bullshit.

      And Windows 7 is beyond embarrassingly bad. So bad, that the wankers at Microsoft think that pathetic 'improvements' like the ability to move programs on the taskbar, and the ability to TILE TWO WINDOWS, are actually worth talking about! For shame...

      They know nothing about user interface design.

    139. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see part of your problem. The sour taste is because you're trying to lick the screen again, aren't you!

    140. Re:First post... by fredrik70 · · Score: 1

      But the thing is that they *used* to be able to create huge buzz around their launches. I remeber the WIn95 and 98 launches and they were big events with people queueing all nigt in order to get an early copy. I was a OS/2 user back then and I remember I watched theise lauches with a mixture of envy, grief and awe, thinking, "no way we gonna win this one". I was unfortunately right, hey ho.

      However, nowadays MS seems to have lost their cool, Don't excpect them to dissapear anytime soon, but they will probably not be in as dominate position as they were back in the days.

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    141. Re:First post... by ThaReetLad · · Score: 1

      Well, your customers may be looking for that "make it look and act like XP" button, but some of ours have already installed our software on the Win 7 RC, and are asking when they can get official support for it. We don't even officially support Vista yet, we've never a shipped a system with Vista on, and no-one ever seriously asked us to provide a system with Vista on.

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    142. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If you make good stuff, they'll come and love you"

      which is why linux never, ever gets off the ground. Its usability, stability, and design is just pure shit. This is why people use windows, because it is user friendly and works.

      They call their software sensible names for starters, like 'word' 'powerpoint', not 'hgnkg' and 'klmpl' like the linux retards do.

    143. Re:First post... by Jawn98685 · · Score: 1

      You joke..., and it is, but at the same time it is genuinely unsettling in a rather Machiavellian sort of way.

      Not that it isn't done in a hundred different ways every day, but this kind of manipulation of our culture by corporate advertising (however ham-handed this particular attempt may be), not to mention their meddling in the operation of our government, is something that I find more than a little troubling. And no, I don't blame a business for doing whatever it can to make money. That's what they're there for, but it's the increasingly dazed complicity of the consumers (present company excepted, mostly) that gives me chills.

      Consider something like Starbucks. I was a customer when it was still a hippie coffee store in Pike Place that sold varietal coffee beans and hard-to-find paraphernalia for the java junkie. Now it is a marketing miracle that sells, primarily, over-priced beverages of depressingly inconsistent quality. And yet I know of at least two locations where there are three separate Starbucks operations within a hundred yards or so of each other. Surely there are others. While I mourn the loss of what was (cool people and great coffee), I stand in awe of what it has become. I despair at knowing that this is but one relatively trivial example of what we have allowed corporate business to do throughout our culture. Some of those dystopian films like "Rollerball", "Max Headroom", and "Demolition Man" are starting to look a little less silly and little more visionary.

    144. Re:First post... by mjwx · · Score: 3, Insightful

      One thing that strikes me about my mac is that it doesn't treat me like an enormous retard. I don't have stupid little dogs popping up to "find" files for me

      I'd say the complete opposite, when I work on a Mac, the OS assumes it knows everything I want to do and automatically sets it up that way. Woe betide me if I actually prefer doing things my way or heaven forbid, actually know what I'm doing better then the OS.

      Windows and Linux on the other hand assume that I have a modicum of intelligence and present me with choices. All the annoying pop ups can be turned off. The entire UI can be replaced. The OS can be re purposed for almost anything, with Apple I have the Mac Way(TM) or the Mac Way(TM) as it assumes I'm not smart enough to make up my own mind. Windows and Linux don't hide anything from the user although Windows restricts access to one or two area's (the CSC cache) but OS X sees fit to hide most of the file system from the user.

      The level of customisability of a Mac is nil, this is reflected in it's presence in the business world (or lack there of) as it's limited to the few vocations it is set up for in the first place. OS X is not set up or friendly to any kind of power user.

      I don't have to click through 5 warnings about how what I'm about to do will end the world when I try to navigate out of my home directory,

      Odd you should bring this up as OS X decides that the entire world outside your user profile doesn't exist. Granted there are no warning when you try to access it via the GUI, in fact there is no accessing the file system using the GUI. OS X provides you with a sand box for you to play in and hides the rest, at least Windows gives you the benefit of the doubt and asks if you know what you are doing. The same goes for hidden files/folders as well.

      Yes I know you can access it via the command line, but should I have to?

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    145. Re:First post... by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      All new products have launch parties. The attendees are just the folks standing outside in the queue, waiting for the stores to open.

      I agree that they are all very, very sad, but by the same token, this is Slashdot. We're hardly the Patrick Bateman's of the world.

      Except for that Reiser fellow.

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    146. Re:First post... by alexandre_ganso · · Score: 1

      If it wasn't for your ID, I'd say you must be new here.

    147. Re:First post... by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      Don't forget seminars on Furniture Ballistics.

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    148. Re:First post... by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      You are not the person those warnings are meant for. If your nan gets to warning 3, and carefully considers that deleting explorer.exe file might be a bad idea, that's one less hosed system you need to go look at. You can turn them off because you know what you're doing, and if not you know how to fix it. So do that, and stop crying about MS not making it perfect just for you.

      It's perfect for the 99% of us who don't want to spend our evenings repairing dumbass mistakes by siblings and relatives.

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    149. Re:First post... by Mathness · · Score: 1

      Windows 7 launch party confirms it, timecube is real science.

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    150. Re:First post... by alexandre_ganso · · Score: 1

      Hey, even Slackware has its fanbois! One of those son of a bitch went to "fix" my mother's computer - an old machine with Fedora installed for years. What did he do? Recompiled a slackware's .config kernel on it, and remove the original ones.

      Why? Because, according to him, it is "way faster".

      She lost sound and webcam support for months. Then I got pissed of enough and took her a Mac Mini.

      Seems to be working.

    151. Re:First post... by ggeens · · Score: 1

      Seriously though, I think part of the problem is my complete lack of ability to understand why anyone would have a launch party for an operating system. Yes, Windows 7 is very nice, but a launch party? Really? A launch party is for things like movies and video games. You get a group together and have fun with some brand new entertainment you all enjoy and looked forward to being released. The excitement at an OS launch party? "Ooh, look! I can get work done on my computer more efficiently now! You guys have to try this!"

      Well, there have been Ubuntu launch parties, and some people throw a party when a new version of OS X comes out.

      I wouldn't go to either, but I can understand those.

      Attending an Ubuntu party gets you geek points. Plus, you get a chance to meet people you might know from a mailing list. You discover that people you see every day on the subway are also Ubuntu users.

      An OS X party is the closest thing to a Mac religion you can get. People go there because they want to belong with the "in crowd" of Mac users.

      Going to a Windows party? That's about as cool as being the guy who got beaten up by the nerds in high school. The whole thing just screams "astroturf". It comes from the brain of a marketing droid, who gave it to a lawyer who tacked on an EULA.

      When it comes to Ubuntu parties, at least it appears like someone on the mailing list said: "let's have a party!".

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    152. Re:First post... by alexandre_ganso · · Score: 1

      I though that was mac's motto. Yet, they have bash, perl, python and the bsd toolchain installed.

    153. Re:First post... by rixster_uk · · Score: 1

      Windows allows devs to make stupid apps that don't conform, but if a dev wants to make a shitty app they should be allowed to. Easily confused people might need the exact same thing in the exact same place in every program, but there's no helping some people.

      Here is my beef though.. Microsoft think it's cool to issue a load of GUI design guidlelines and then ... completely ignore them for their own apps !! This is to make them look unique and cool, but all it does is incentivise (?) all 3rd party devs to think "well hey *we* need to stand out as well, so *we* won't stick to the guidelines". It's like the prisoners dilemna, if you both "follow the rules" (ie don't grass) then you get out in 1 year... but if one of you decides to stitch up the other (ie make an "improved" GUI) you get out now (ie "look better to the public") !

    154. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you talking about how on a Mac, ProgramName->Preferences is always the prefs dialog? In Windows it's always Tools->Options.

      Is it? I thought several of them were "Edit-preferences", or File-Properties... Talking only microsoft apps here.

    155. Re:First post... by Nikker · · Score: 1

      So your argument is that since their media department is funded better then the NSA to disagree with them only reveals futile ignorance? I think you missed a couple of steps somewhere....

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    156. Re:First post... by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1
      since their media department is funded better then the NSA to disagree with them only reveals futile ignorance? I think you missed a couple of steps somewhere....

      I think you missed the whole stairway!

      That's not even close to what I said.

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    157. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also included in USA party packs:

      -One package of streamers for decoration
      -One package of balloons for decoration

      Looks like the rest of the world gets the shaft, what with no balloons or streamers...

      Balloons and streamers are considered munitions and are not available for export.

    158. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd say the complete opposite, when I work on a Mac, the OS assumes it knows everything I want to do and automatically sets it up that way. Woe betide me if I actually prefer doing things my way or heaven forbid, actually know what I'm doing better then the OS.
       

      You probably don't, but you think so, being used to configure mplayer to work more or less badly on your crappy savage video card, while messing with firefox's config to automatically open mplayer just to watch some crappy p orn.

      It reminded me of this: http://xkcd.com/277/

    159. Re:First post... by alexandre_ganso · · Score: 1

      Or Voyager's. Don't forget the Black is supposed to be Vulcan. And you must be a woman.

    160. Re:First post... by alexandre_ganso · · Score: 1

      It doesn't need to be ancient in Linux...

    161. Re:First post... by Stuarticus · · Score: 3, Funny

      Unfortunately parties are not water soluble, to properly rehydrate you should use a mixture of water and a minimum of 5% C2H5OH.
      Stronger solutions may increase the rate of rehydration, but can lead to runaway exothermic parties. Discretion is advised.

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    162. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's Microsoft catering to their core audience, lame, boring, normal people. Not everyone can be "cool". It may not be as "1337" as Linux attempting to court the ubergeeks, or as "cool" as Apple courting the hipsters, it's "lame" and "boring" to court everyone else.

    163. Re:First post... by ciderVisor · · Score: 1

      If the launch party involved playing the game I'd understand.

      You've just lost The Game. And you made me lose too, you bastard !

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    164. Re:First post... by Alioth · · Score: 1

      Wait... are the parties being thrown by Microsoft employees, or is Microsoft expecting people in the general public to do the marketing for one of the world's richest companies for virtually nothing?

    165. Re:First post... by alexandre_ganso · · Score: 1

      So that's what the guy meant when he said he did 3 activities in half an hour.

      That's because the ad is from MS Poland. If not, it would be the black one the 3-activities guy.

    166. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The average user needs those warnings. They don't know how or why their computer works, they just want to save those pictures their daughter sent them through e-mail and to play solitaire. Maybe look up some movie times or directions.

      They really have no business navigating the Windows or Program Files folders. They literally can do nothing but fuck it up.

    167. Re:First post... by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

      Linux once really sucked,

      If I had mod points I would mod you an evil bastard

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    168. Re:First post... by mrrudge · · Score: 1

      They've certainly got people talking about it, so if the goal was to create web inches of copy then they've succeeded. If the brief was to make Win 7 look in any way like a quality product then they've failed.

      Microsoft is not a company capable of employing an advertising agency to make a subtly manipulative advert, the look and feel of their primary OS product is enough to show that their corporate culture isn't capable of understanding the more human arts.

      They paid ( very probably a large amount ) and it looks like they wrote a brief that was 'we want it to be somewhere between youtube and, erm, what else does the internet love ?' because they wanted to look hip. Then they insisted that they need to cover all possible demographics for fear of alienating anyone ( a black guy, a middle aged woman ), Etc.

      Cool is, trying isn't.

    169. Re:First post... by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 1

      The real question is, how will we know who wins? Anyone we ask will instantly lose the game.

    170. Re:First post... by wildstoo · · Score: 1

      Think you're mistaking the word "shell" with the word "notepad", unless you really do need to open an XML file in a shell.

    171. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every time I use a windows computer it leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

      Much like being fucked in the mouth!

    172. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And having no right-click isn't treating you like a retard?

    173. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "balloons, a deck of cards, napkins"

      My brain is melting. I need brain bleach, brain bleach now! ... Oh wow, maybe my inability to comprehend is partly due to the continuing brain trauma I'm suffering after watching that horrific video, but its not helping reading you talking about balloons and napkins (my brain must have blanked that bit out!). I'm still struggling to grasp the concept people actually have parties to celebrate the launch of any OS (or any product for that matter). Surely people have more independence of thought than that, rather than blindly following and helping marketers like a bunch of zombies just because thats what the marketing people suggest. I'm shocked and dismayed some people could behave so much like sheep.

      I guess the marketing force of Pavlovian conditioning can have a strong influence on the weak-minded.

    174. Re:First post... by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      Or you can use Powershell. Probably not as good as bash, and painfully slow at loading up, but it does at least respond in the correct way to things like "ls", "ps" and "mv", although not to things like "ls -l" or "ps -A"

    175. Re:First post... by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      But you can leave the oriental chick as she is. All very confusing.

    176. Re:First post... by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      You have a dock bar rather than a task bar
      The backup system is almost as easy to use as Time Machine
      You have a fairly reasonable re-invention of Sudo

    177. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not supposed to put it your mouth, moron.

    178. Re:First post... by JumpDrive · · Score: 1

      Wait.
      Now that I have awakened, from my daze. Am I legally entitled to 2 hours or 6 minutes and 14 seconds back?
      I know the other hundreds of hours I've wasted on windows is covered under the EULA.

    179. Re:First post... by JumpDrive · · Score: 1

      Have you meta-moderated lately?

    180. Re:First post... by tehcyder · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think someone with a webcam on an Ubuntu netbook made that 'advertisement' to spite M$...

      But everyone knows that only Windows XP runs a netbook properly, there's no way you'd get Ubuntu to work a webcam unless it was at 2fps, in grainy black and white and with no sound.

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    181. Re:First post... by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      -One package of Windowsî 7 napkins

      Small tissue squares... I wonder where else these might come in handy... You know, they don't have to be on a roll, they'll wipe just as well!

    182. Re:First post... by snaz555 · · Score: 1

      I'd really be interested in hearing some examples of how Macs are more usable. Everyone loves to sound off about how easy it is to use

      Easy and usable are orthogonal really, and people often mix and match terms like these to express what they like. They might say it's "easy" when what they really mean is that it's "uniform". Subjective experience is often difficult to explain because it's inherently non-verbal.

      One thing I really like about Apple laptops is 1) the speed at which they're ready to use (about 250ms after opening the lid if the battery wasn't allowed to drain totally), and 2) how wifi is managed. It'll look for SSID announcements, collect a list, sort the list by a) whether I've used the network before, and b) signal strength. It then picks the top candidate and tries to connect. It usually takes a second or two until it's configured from opening the lid. If I want a different network I pull down the list and pick one. What else is needed? The failure mode is it may pick the wrong network if there are multiple choices and signals are variable, or it may miss an SSID broadcast. So occasionally when I'm in the front of the house it may pick the access point in the back, or the opposite. It's not a big deal and frankly isn't all that common. My wife recently switched from Windows, and I don't know how often I had to configure the wifi vendor utility on her Dell laptop to select the right SSID for her location. Not to mention reenter passwords every month or two when it decided to go amnesic.

      It doesn't matter what hardware is used, it still works the same. In fact I don't even know what card is in my laptop, and couldn't care less. My coworkers' laptops work exactly the same, and I don't know what hardware they have either - and it doesn't matter. It works the same.

      Similarly, the virtual desktop (Spaces) works the same regardless of whether I have an nvidia card in my laptop and an ATI card in my Mac Pro. Or my wife's 13" MacBook. There is no vendor specific component here, it's not a driver feature, or a value add. It's simply basic common functionality. To be honest I don't even know what video card my 2006 MBP has (ATI I guess) - and it doesn't matter. I couldn't care less; it's only important in the Windows world where I have to locate the right driver with the feature set I want, whenever a Windows patch would cause trouble because the video driver was too old. In my Mac Pro I have two ATI boards (driving three monitors), but I could have one ATI and one nvidia board, and it would still work the same. How does Windows behave with a mix of video card brands?

      Finally, from a purely engineering standpoint, I hate the unified monolithic Windows registry. On OS X I can go pull a plist file for some application from a backup, but with the Windows registry it's all or nothing. Of course backups are now reasonably uniform with Time Machine as well. (All the machines in my house backup using TM to a NAS. A full restore requires nothing more than a blank system install, no third-party software needed.)

      Some people really seem to genuinely want their system to work like a Japanese-market cell phone. The more controls (no matter how pointless) the better, two utilities to do the same is better than one, each system should work differently, etc. I don't know if that makes them feel like some arcane loremaster, or like they're doing something useful, or what. But they'd be much better off actually learning something that creates real value, and when they do they're not going to want to spend half a day getting a video card driver to work reliably - just so they can finally get to do whatever it really is they want to get done.

    183. Re:First post... by DrXym · · Score: 1
      But seriously, what are Microsoft getting at? This is looking more and more like a cult thing than ever. Inviting friends over to preach to them about the virtues of Windows 7 so the unrepentant soul might offer sacrifices and money to the Microsoft god? I found the advert really eerie and unsettling...

      Perhaps they hope to foster the same kind of blind, unquestioning obedience that Apple enjoys. An army of zealots who will slavishly buy the next device they shove out, react with hostility to any criticism of their beloved company, and defend it against all manner of attacks. It would be sad if people do become that way but clearly some people do. Linux has its fair share of zealots too.

      Personally I see Windows launches as just a great time to pick up some free stuff. I'm going to have to buy Windows 7 anyway so I'm not going to complaining if Microsoft give it to me for free. How hard is this? Not very. Microsoft love handing out operating systems like candy to computer professionals. I got Windows Vista for playing a few videos. I'll get Windows 7 for attending a launch event (not a party).

      Does it make me more loyal to Microsoft? Not really. I develop Java 90% of the time at the moment split 50/50 between Unix and Windows. Does it make me defend Microsoft? Only so far as it makes me use their product and therefore I can defend it from experience. More usually as with any product there will be plenty to criticize and plenty to defend and I'm sure Windows 7 will be no different.

    184. Re:First post... by Herby+Sagues · · Score: 1

      How can people be so dim! THIS IS NOT AN AD! It is an internal training video. Internal trainig videos at any company are typically like this. It is amazing that reporters will keep calling this an ad when they know it's not.

    185. Re:First post... by Timex · · Score: 1

      I watched about 1 minute and 20 seconds of the video before I had to move on to something more interesting, like watching paint dry.

      Whoever produced the video really needs to learn about how to do it properly: un-versed in production as I am, I still picked out several major errors in continuity, and it distracted me from the "message" they were trying to push.

      I agree with you completely on the party idea, though. Who CARES about Win7 enough to bother with celebrating its release? MS Staff, sure. Outside of that? Nobody.

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    186. Re:First post... by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      Eh windows is pretty uniform. I have 5-6 programs open right now and they pretty much all have the whole file menu going on

      You *used* to do that. The Windows style guidelines were pretty damn good, they made every app have the uniformity that made usability significantly better.

      Today, the only uniformity is having a large 'orb' in the top left, and possibly the same colour scheme other apps use (silver, blue or black I think, regardless of what your Windows theme colours are set to).

    187. Re:First post... by ByteSlicer · · Score: 1

      It rather reminds me of this one: http://www.xkcd.com/313/

    188. Re:First post... by dnahelicase · · Score: 1

      I actually had to go to the M$ site to make sure that it was legit. They recommend visiting the help site at the end of the party as a fun way to wrap up, review, and answer questions! Guests are supposed to look forward to it!!! It must be a disgruntled M$ employee putting these videos out.

    189. Re:First post... by danbert8 · · Score: 1

      The "super string" was recently discovered to be a series of menus placed horizontally across the screen that then clicked, would decent with a series of logical commands organized such that the user would know where to find certain actions.

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    190. Re:First post... by Civil_Disobedient · · Score: 1

      plus the allure of being able to use >3.5GB of RAM is nice

      You have options.

    191. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good God that is awful! What on earth were they thinking!? Let's hope the product is better than the ad, but I wont hold my breath.

    192. Re:First post... by iamhigh · · Score: 1

      I don't think he knows wtf he's talking about? Is there a new version of IIS with win7? - I doubt it... pretty sure it came with Server 2008, you know, that OS that people actually run IIS on.

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    193. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Evil? No. Bastard? Not so far as I've been made aware.

      Linux has always been an experiment. Ask Linus. At times, the kernel was drek. But the distros also had their buttuglies.

      As I mentioned: things change. The forks in the kernel dev process have brought about wonders, but more importantly, they got past the insanity of CLI look-alikes from SVR4 and BSD. Now various distros not only work, but they don't even need lipstick.

    194. Re:First post... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "seriously, 10 years and still we have people (the same people!) who can't figure out outlook?"

      Actually...Outlook isn't the worst of them...Word and Excel are.

      This shit has been around 10 years??

      I guess I led a sheltered life...I'd not run into this till late last year, but, then again, not a heavy windows user in past years. I'd survived on XP and the normal version of office before the 'change'.

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    195. Re:First post... by Psyborgue · · Score: 1

      You can set a pref to allow finder to view hidden/system files and folders, just like you can on windows. It's just off by default as it would clutter things up otherwise (again, same on windows). Command is "defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles -bool true". If I need to go to a hidden folder I can either type that in a terminal windows and browse or simply hit command+shift+g in any finder window to bring up a "go to folder" dialog where any location, even one normally hidden (such as "/tmp") can be entered. There is a little utility you can download called OnyX that has this pref and many others available form the GUI... but if you're advanced enough to need to get to those places such as "/usr/bin" you can probably use, and probably prefer the command line anyway.

    196. Re:First post... by eugene+ts+wong · · Score: 1

      With open source software, I think that it is a little different. With open source, a lot of volunteers have tried to make something that is truly usable by lots of people. Every time something is released, it is a significant achievement.

      So, in my opinion, Ubuntu release parties are nerdy, but they have some value. It could encourage camaraderie, and develop social skills.

    197. Re:First post... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of a poster I saw once during Reagan's reign:

      This is your brain
      This is your brain on drugs
      This is your brain on drugs with a side of bacon

    198. Re:First post... by Chabil+Ha' · · Score: 1

      Ever tried using those? Driver support for both XP and Win2k3 64-bit is spotty at best. There are a number of application incompatibilities, too. The best bet for 64-bit Windows is Vista (ick!) or Windows 7.

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    199. Re:First post... by Dalzhim · · Score: 1

      Granted there are no warning when you try to access it via the GUI, in fact there is no accessing the file system using the GUI. OS X provides you with a sand box for you to play in and hides the rest, at least Windows gives you the benefit of the doubt and asks if you know what you are doing. The same goes for hidden files/folders as well. Yes I know you can access it via the command line, but should I have to?

      Mod parent down.
      How could you know about the level of customisability of a Mac when you are unable to use the finder's "Go to folder" menu option? I don't get a single warning when I access /bin or /etc using the GUI.

    200. Re:First post... by pwfffff · · Score: 1

      Of course! What user-friendly and obvious ways of doing things! That is so much more helpful than when Windows simply displays 'These files have been hidden. Click here to display them.'

      Your way with the arcane shell commands and triple-chording is so much easier! Why doesn't EVERYONE have a Mac?!

    201. Re:First post... by david.given · · Score: 1

      It's so bad that its suckiness has to be deliberate...

      I find myself wondering just how much work the rectangular selection system was, which makes it impossible to select filenames and URLs if they get split across more than one line.

      yeah, I know there are alternatives.

      Where? WHERE? FOR GODS' SAKE, TELL ME WHERE!

      I have never found any alternative to the Windows command box. There are plenty of alternatives to cmd.exe, some of which only suck marginally (Interix for example, which is basically Microsoft Unix, is actually pretty good, for a Unix), but I've never found an alternative command box. As I tend to get stuck with the sodding thing at work a lot, have you found anything I haven't?

    202. Re:First post... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      Yes, but then those of us who want a shell get... the freaking MS-DOS Command Prompt. Quite possibly the worst shell interface known to mankind.

      Ugh. Sometimes a coworker will drop by and ask me a question most easily answered by running a shell command. I hit the hotkey to pop up Zsh and type something in. They ask if that's like the DOS prompt. I don't say (but want to) that it is, in the same way that a Yugo is like a Ferrari.

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    203. Re:First post... by Goaway · · Score: 1

      Attending an Ubuntu party gets you geek points. Plus, you get a chance to meet people you might know from a mailing list. You discover that people you see every day on the subway are also Ubuntu users.

      An OS X party is the closest thing to a Mac religion you can get. People go there because they want to belong with the "in crowd" of Mac users.

      I like how you treat these two cases as if they were in any way different from each other.

    204. Re:First post... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 3, Informative

      OS X is not set up or friendly to any kind of power user.

      Go to any technical convention and count notebooks. I think you'll find that a majority of hardcore geeks disagree with you.

      Odd you should bring this up as OS X decides that the entire world outside your user profile doesn't exist. Granted there are no warning when you try to access it via the GUI, in fact there is no accessing the file system using the GUI.

      WTF are you on about? Open the Finder. Click the topmost icon in the left column - that's your local hard drive. Now explore as you see fit.

      I'm typing this on Ubuntu - I usually pick Linux+KDE when given the choice of desktops - but have been around Macs enough to know that you've never actually touched one.

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    205. Re:First post... by JohnFen · · Score: 2, Informative

      They've chosen a slightly retro, awkward and geeky theme to these adverts, and trust me, the awkwardness is intentional (Remember Bill Gates and Seinfeld?).

      Slightly? I suppose, in the same sense that nitroglycerin is slightly unstable.

      This campaign reminds me of movies that are intended from the outset to be good camp, but just end up plumbing the depths of horribleness without any redeeming qualities at all.

    206. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The balloons and streamers come in packs of 128 bits and, therefore, are not eligible for export.

    207. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The concept of a launch party for any modern OS seems, to a pessimistic developer at least, like a huge waste of time. With the number of patches that will be released within the first several months - it's basically not a complete package to celebrate with yet. You're looking at probably only 65-75% of the actual finished code base after the undoubtedly numerous patches go in.

      That... and one could always write their own OS... there's plenty of open source material to start with. You could probably have a simplistic backbone written if you work on it part-time for a month or two for a few hours after work. Intimidating, but not impossible.

      So I guess what I am trying to say is that I don't see the release of any OS as reason to celebrate... it's just somebody else's dog food that we're all going to be forced to eat at some point. We learn the quirks and the idiosyncratic tendencies of each... heck - some of us even decide we quite like the taste of some, and then 2-10 years later, we switch again... and the cycle continues...

    208. Re:First post... by M.+Baranczak · · Score: 1

      A hundred yards? That's nothing. The last time I was in Manhattan, it wasn't uncommon to see two Starbux on the opposite sides of the same intersection.

    209. Re:First post... by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 1

      Sadly, there is no such thing as a cult "so stupid nobody would ever join".

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    210. Re:First post... by SnarfQuest · · Score: 1

      I couldn't get the word 'scientology' out of my head when watching this

      I was thinking "Amway"

      Is there a difference?

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    211. Re:First post... by Civil_Disobedient · · Score: 1

      Ever tried using those?

      Using XP64 at home and at work.

      Driver support for both XP and Win2k3 64-bit is spotty at best.

      No, actually, it's not. But this is a common misconception of those who haven't used it.

      There are a number of application incompatibilities, too.

      No, actually, there aren't. Common misconception of those who went ahead and installed Vista instead of trying XP64 because they drank the MS Kool-Aid about "compatibility" and "features" and are now regretting their decision after recognizing Vista for the monumental pile of dog feces that it is.

      See also: Win7 fans.

    212. Re:First post... by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      The very fact that you believe launch parties are appropriate for movies and games belies the fact that said parties are appropriate for whatever the marketers say they are. Those things were once considered ridiculous as well (and still are, by at least one person I know, who is also writing this).

    213. Re:First post... by Conanymous+Award · · Score: 1

      "So yeah-- they had and even may have fanboys."

      "May" have? You should read some technology blogs. Engadget and Gizmodo are full of MS/Windows/Zune fanboys. Go figure.

    214. Re:First post... by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Great idea, let me know how it goes. I'll be at the bar downtown with all the lonely chicks.

    215. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where's then obligatory Asian woman? I certainly feel very politically uncorrected.. I think i need a shower now.

    216. Re:First post... by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Certainly, but not to the rabid extent that existed before. The line forming to watch Bill Gates at Comdex might start well before dawn, and people would actually bring sleeping bags so they could be the first ones to get a copy of Windows 98.

      Now, almost anyone with a clue already has at least an RC version and/or the RTM, so it's all moot. Microsoft's been leaking Windows 7 for more than a year. A general release is not so much a non-event as not developing any real back-pressure for a "product release".

      I write some of those technology blogs. I have more freaking W7 CDs than coffee cups. How many Snow Leopard releases did I get before release? Zero. Qu'elle surprise.

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    217. Re:First post... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      but, they're running Windows. Do you want it that bad?

    218. Re:First post... by jabelli · · Score: 1

      http://jpsoft.com/

      TC if you want the alternative shell also, TC LE if you just want the console wrapper. I've got it set up with TCC, CMD, Python 2.5, 2.6, 3k, PowerShell, and msys/mingw bash; everything works.

    219. Re:First post... by VisceralLogic · · Score: 1

      Odd you should bring this up as OS X decides that the entire world outside your user profile doesn't exist. Granted there are no warning when you try to access it via the GUI, in fact there is no accessing the file system using the GUI. OS X provides you with a sand box for you to play in and hides the rest, at least Windows gives you the benefit of the doubt and asks if you know what you are doing. The same goes for hidden files/folders as well.

      Yes I know you can access it via the command line, but should I have to?

      I'm not actually sure what you're referring to by this. What exactly do you think the Finder displays to you, if not the file system?

      However, if what you mean is accessing such locations as /usr or /var, you can do that using the Finder menu Go -> Go to Folder... (command-shift-G).

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    220. Re:First post... by Conanymous+Award · · Score: 1

      Sorry about throwing the troll some fodder.

      There are... lemme see... four, yes, 4 ways to do a "right-click" in OS X. Five actually, if you're using a unibody MacBook. So the answer to your question is... no.

      As for the general behavior of Windows vs. OS X, I like how OS X isn't trying to steal your attention at every turn. Compared to Windows, you get very few popups, warnings etc. You rarely even get a sound. Vista, of course, is the most extreme in-your-face OS experience. I wonder how Windows 7 will treat the user.

    221. Re:First post... by Conanymous+Award · · Score: 1

      "In Windows it's always Tools->Options."

      Not at all. Edit->Preferences, View->Settings, File->Properties, Options->whatever etc...

    222. Re:First post... by Conanymous+Award · · Score: 1

      I like the clickwheel as much as the next Machead, but there's one really, really stupid thing about iPod usability: you shut it down by holding down 'play'. That's just as bad as shutting down your computer by clicking 'Start'. Why not the center button? Why? Did Steve have a brain fart when he approved this?

    223. Re:First post... by soaro77 · · Score: 0

      I think its more Microsoft attempting to be similar to Apple.

      Let's see, "Windows 7" or "Snow Leopard". That alone says it all!

    224. Re:First post... by riceboy50 · · Score: 1

      Wow, as a geek you should have the most appreciation for Snow Leopard. It's the regular folks who Apple should worry about underwhelming.

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    225. Re:First post... by kiwimate · · Score: 1

      In all fairness, when did Microsoft ever have fanfare?

      Windows 95 launch. Rolling Stones songs, midnight televised launch parties in New Zealand...maybe the "informed computing enthusiasts" didn't care (and by the way, as someone who was there and remembers this very well, I think that's a vastly over-reaching generalization), but everyone else was stoked.

    226. Re:First post... by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1

      Well, if they can offer a setting to have all MS apps, revert to at least a choice of classic menus and turning off the fucking 'ribbon' crap, I'd celebrate a little, and at least upgrade for that reason alone.

      Actually, I've heard that Windows 7 further refines the ribbon into a string, for which there will be a different one for each edition with different operations optimized as easy. The grand unified one, the "super string" for Ultimate, is still in development, as top scientists haven't yet figured out how to make a string theory that would make all operations easy.

      Be careful - you might give String Theory some substance...

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    227. Re:First post... by fwarren · · Score: 1

      No. Because they actually want people to watch the videos. Videos on Youtube at least have to possibility that people will watch them.

      Videos on VideoBling or whatever they would call it has zero potential for being viewed.

      Fact: Sometimes Microsoft has to rely on competitors to get the job done.

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    228. Re:First post... by StikyPad · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, Windows sucks. Well, except that it's the only viable platform for PC gaming. And there's a plethora of software available. And the Win7 UI is nice and shiny and easy to use. And it's easy to disable the frills if you prefer performance over appearance. And it's not tied to hardware. And it's easy to develop on. And it's quite stable -- at least on par with any Mac, despite myths to the contrary. And its ubiquity all but guarantees that you'll find answers to your questions and/or support for your problems. And there's hardware drivers for pretty much any third party peripheral ever made (cause when there's not, lots and lots of people throw fits and refuse to buy Vista). And 64-bit support is not a "work in progress." And it's dead simple to find almost any codec. And NTFS is fast and robust. And it's easy to administer. And being familiar with it will unlock, by far, more job opportunities than any other OS.

      But aside from that stuff, yeah.. Windows sucks and people who use it are poor and/or dumb.

    229. Re:First post... by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Good point. It's certainly not worth enjoying the company of hot women who don't care about operating systems. Only the company of like-minded individuals is worthwhile. Quick, everyone to the Linux or Windows party, depending on your choice of OS!

      *heads back to the bar*

    230. Re:First post... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      I think it's simpler to explain it this way:

      They put lipstick on a pig. Which really is a turd in pig form. Problem is: It's still a turd.

      (Or: Hype is not enough. You also have to have a good product.)

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    231. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But you use a Mac, you are an enormous retard.

    232. Re:First post... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      I agree, but I don't think in 1981, a decent shell was something less important, or less expected. :)

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    233. Re:First post... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but I got the opposite experience. My brother bought a top-notch PowerMac. And as I am a Linux/Unix expert, I expected to be able to ssh in, and help him if needed. I specifically recommended him to buy a mac, since he's very PC unsavy, and i though OS X, with its strong insides and simple UI would be the best of both.

      I was very disappointed. Because every time I tried to fix or configure something, I came up with great ideas and methods, only to notice that when I put my brain into "retard mode", and simply clicked where a caveman would have clicked (I ever added the appropriate noises), I always succeeded much quicker.
      Apparently I was too intelligent to use OS X. So I gave up. My brother on the other hand had no problems setting things up for himself.

      Don't misunderstand me: For people who don't want to know the insides of their computers, Apple did the right thing. And as there are many of those out there, Macs are still a good thing.
      Just... it's sad that it fosters stupidity. (Of course not as badly as Windows.)
      They could have offered an OS for all levels of savvyness, and without the compromise. It's not that hard. I have done it myself.

      (But hey, I found my OS: Gentoo. Deliberately made for those who want to become experts, and basically set their own LDFLAGS ^^.)

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    234. Re:First post... by hondo77 · · Score: 1

      An OS X party is the closest thing to a Mac religion you can get.

      Mac users don't throw parties. We stand in lines.

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    235. Re:First post... by drerwk · · Score: 1

      Maybe someone enabled Simple Finder on his account!

    236. Re:First post... by Andrewkov · · Score: 1
      Who CARES about Win7 enough to bother with celebrating its release? MS Staff, sure. Outside of that? Nobody.

      I dunno.. the MCSE at my work is positively giddy. They're a strange breed, though.

    237. Re:First post... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Yeah right. As if someone had read TFA / watched TFV...

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    238. Re:First post... by iron-kurton · · Score: 1

      Open up Finder and try to find /etc or /bin or /usr/local

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    239. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha, your Mac "doesn't treat you like a retard", my ass. Try burning a cd in dao mode without joliet but with rockridge extensions; try managing your music in iTunes and sorting by order added to the db or some other metric that's not "Artist / Disc / Num. of Stars ..."; try sorting your files with the finder in, again, any non-trivial manner; try managing nfs shares, blah blah blah. Those features aren't there and neither are many others.

      If you're willing to run HFS (which is antiquated and retarded), darwin (barf), a system with a consistently bland, gray, unmodifiable theme, and hello kitty style apps, then a mac is for you. I think that amounts to treating you like a retard.

      Microsoft does this to a much lesser extent in Windows: it seems they more often restrict features to vendor-lock users than to keep things easy-to-use.

      I guess I'll stick with my Solaris.

    240. Re:First post... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      shift-apple-G, /tmp, enter. Also works in all file dialogs.

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    241. Re:First post... by dzfoo · · Score: 1

      >> They've chosen a slightly retro, awkward and geeky theme to these adverts, and trust me, the awkwardness is intentional (Remember Bill Gates and Seinfeld?).

      Yes, because cancelling the Gates and Seinfeld commercial series after a mere two episodes on television after announcing to the world with so much fanfare, pride and promise that they had ambitiously spent $300 million dollars on the deal, is exactly what they planned to do from the start.

      And we have always been at war with Eurasia.

                -dZ.

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    242. Re:First post... by corerunner · · Score: 1

      well, they gave us PowerShell in 2008... cygwin has also been available since 1995. It would be nice for us to have a powerful shell as the default, but I doubt you deal with end users much or you'd think twice about that.

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    243. Re:First post... by lastchance_000 · · Score: 1

      Continuity is the least of their problems. If they had focused on making it the least bit fucking interesting, I would have overlooked a few continuity mistakes.

    244. Re:First post... by mjwx · · Score: 1

      You can set a pref to allow finder to view hidden/system files and folders, just like you can on windows. It's just off by default as it would clutter things up otherwise (again, same on windows). Command is "defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles -bool true". If I need to go to a hidden folder I can either type that in a terminal windows and browse or simply hit command+shift+g in any finder window to bring up a "go to folder" dialog where any location, even one normally hidden (such as "/tmp") can be entered. There is a little utility you can download called OnyX that has this pref and many others available form the GUI... but if you're advanced enough to need to get to those places such as "/usr/bin" you can probably use, and probably prefer the command line anyway.

      Fair enough, but as the "computer" person in the family I don't want to have to instruct my mother on how to hack com.apple.whatever files over the phone, I can guarantee that she'll screw up the syntax and break the OS, whilst checkboxes are a bit more forgiving. Windows may make a few mundane tasks harder then they should be but at least it makes the harder tasks easier. Half the reason MS makes such a difficult time of some mundane tasks is because they have a uniform interface across all tasks.

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    245. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      -One package of balloons for decoration

      Who's got the Philly gas????

    246. Re:First post... by mxh83 · · Score: 0, Troll

      I am not allowed to. Amazing that posts with blatantly incorrect information get modded 5 just because they appear to be written well.

    247. Re:First post... by denmarkw00t · · Score: 1

      Here here! In high school I touted Windows because it played all the games, was "easy to use" because I didn't use it for much, and was generally everywhere. Been running Linux and OS X for a looonng time, feels good.

    248. Re:First post... by Psyborgue · · Score: 1

      First off, can you come up with a credible (even remotely) reason why your mother would ever need to access those files? I can count on my fingers the times I've ever needed to, and that was only to access /usr/bin, etc, to install command line utilities such as wget binaries which came without an installer (mac os comes with curl instead by default). Very little of actual use is hidden cept the core core of the OS. Secondly, if you ever did need to help her remotely, turning on ssh is a tickbox, as is VNC.

    249. Re:First post... by netsharc · · Score: 1

      How about the nauseating amateur camera-man imitating camera shaker machine.. barf. Windows 7 parties, guaranteed to make you puke.

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    250. Re:First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Save it for 10 years and auction it off. Worth nothing now, but just you wait...

    251. Re:First post... by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      Has no one ever used surun with XP? Much better than UAC, and doesn't break things. I see too many posts about installing stuff, and needing to disable UAC for it to work.

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    252. Re:First post... by Timex · · Score: 1

      How about the nauseating amateur camera-man imitating camera shaker machine.. barf. Windows 7 parties, guaranteed to make you puke.

      Well, they DID have to make it APPEAR to be somewhat "homegrown", to add that "We're really sincere about this... Honest!" touch. It's almost a shame that it didn't work.

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    253. Re:First post... by joeljkp · · Score: 1
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    254. Re:First post... by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > The clock on the oven kinda reminds me of the estimated-
      > time-remaining clock on a windows file copy dialog.

      That's because time actually works that way at Microsoft. Physicists aren't sure why, but in Redmond time actually skips, jumps, and sometimes even moves backwards. There's a Nobel prize in physics waiting for whoever figures out what causes this phenomenon and how to harness or control it.

      Incidentally, this temporal shifting also explains why Windows 95 first became available in 1996, why Blackcomb (not yet released) was originally going to be the release after Whistler (XP) but later we discovered that Blackcomb was the release after Longhorn, why Longhorn (Vista) slipped from 2003 to 2007 (long after the early projections for Blackcomb's release date), and why features originally scheduled for Blackcomb (e.g., WinFS) were later announced for Longhorn but have not yet appeared in Vista or Seven. Once you understand the temporal mechanics, it all makes sense.

      HTH.HAND.

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  2. Ya right by erogenizer · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    ROTFLOL. It tickles when you spank me there

  3. Funny. by Anonymatt · · Score: 5, Funny

    Come on, this video is complex, challenging art.

    1. Re:Funny. by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      this video is complex, challenging art.

      I guess so. After watching it, I have a strange urge to dance like a monkey on stage, repeat "D" words 3 times, and throw chairs. Isn't that how Yoko began?
         

    2. Re:Funny. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought the parties looked like they could be lots of fun.

    3. Re:Funny. by bendodge · · Score: 1

      The video aggravated my motion sickness! Seriously, the cameramen did a horrible job. They need to get better tripod heads and use manual zoom or something. It looks like something a little kid would shoot with a Handycam and friction-head tripod.

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    4. Re:Funny. by AniVisual · · Score: 1

      No. That was how Ballmer began.

    5. Re:Funny. by s1d3track3D · · Score: 1

      art? not so sure. Although, I think they could market this to FOX as a new reality TV show.

  4. Im waiting for the President to weigh in... by ihatewinXP · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Have Leo Laporte and the TWiT's had their Windows 7 party yet?

    He said that they were signing up (2 weeks ago?) and would receive among other things: Windows 7 themed balloons, napkins and cups.

    Wow, Microsoft.... Just, wow...

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    1. Re:Im waiting for the President to weigh in... by CannonballHead · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wow, Microsoft.... Just, wow...

      It got attention. Isn't that the point of marketing?

      And I dare say MS wasn't expecting to convert slashdot posters with usernames like "ihatewinXP" to using Windows 7 with these ads... :)

    2. Re:Im waiting for the President to weigh in... by pohl · · Score: 4, Funny

      A shooting spree at the local mall gets media attention too, but I wouldn't want it associated with my brand.

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    3. Re:Im waiting for the President to weigh in... by hedwards · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't be so hard on them, it's not like they get invited to all the cool parties like Apple does.

    4. Re:Im waiting for the President to weigh in... by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It got attention. Isn't that the point of marketing?

      Not entirely. Take the Taco Bell Dog as an example. From Snopes:

      In July 2000 fast food giant Taco Bell (a subsidiary of Yum! Brands, Inc.) did the ostensibly unthinkable: it abruptly ended what appeared to be a highly successful ad campaign that had worked to establish this memorable brand identity. Seemingly out of the blue, the corporation announced it would no longer feature the wise-cracking Chihuahua in its ads. Though the Taco Bell dog might make cameo appearances in subsequent commercials, he was being retired as company spokespooch.

      The reason behind the move was simple enough: the dog, though beloved of consumers, wasn't working magic on the company's bottom line. Though Taco Bell had succeeded in creating a cultural icon, the resultant symbol wasn't inspiring a great enough segment of the fast food-buying public to make a run for the border. Same-store sales were down 6 percent in the second quarter of 2000, a result the company could only regard as alarming and a certain sign that changes had to be made.

      So while Microsoft's marketing may bring smiles to churro vendors everywhere, it doesn't mean the attention is really getting anything for Microsoft.

    5. Re:Im waiting for the President to weigh in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Unless of course you happen to own Smith and Wesson.

    6. Re:Im waiting for the President to weigh in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It got attention. Isn't that the point of marketing?

      Marketing is salesmanship. They're selling to the wrong demographic.

    7. Re:Im waiting for the President to weigh in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, god forbid a company doesn't increase in every single percentage category every single quarter. They killed a successful campaign due to the typical reactionary short sighted thinking that plagues upper management, not because it wasn't successful.

    8. Re:Im waiting for the President to weigh in... by dangitman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It got attention. Isn't that the point of marketing? And I dare say MS wasn't expecting to convert slashdot posters with usernames like "ihatewinXP" to using Windows 7 with these ads... :)

      Selling more product, or raising your brand's identity is the point of marketing. This does the opposite. The point of this story is that it's not just slashdot folk who are hearing about this - it's all over the mainstream media. The problem (for Microsoft) is that the Windows 7 launch is supposed to remove the negative associations that Vista caused people to have. For a while, the "buzz on the street" was that Windows 7 is actually a decent OS, unlike Vista. But as soon as the average person sees this House Party video, they are going to be very suspicious that Windows 7 is nothing but marketing hype, and may not actually be a decent OS after all. That's very bad for Microsoft, especially after the success they've had in viral marketing of Windows 7 so far.

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    9. Re:Im waiting for the President to weigh in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What they failed to anticipate was that once they switched marketing campaigns, same-store sales declined even further.

      Turns out they were competing in a tough market and marketing was not enough to increase sales, but it was helping to stem the tide. When they dumped their most popular marketing icon ever, well it was no surprise that things only got worse.

      Things only got better when Taco Bell started to change their menu.

    10. Re:Im waiting for the President to weigh in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah - because a decrease in sales is the sign of a successful advertising campaign. Good think you're a fast food executive.

    11. Re:Im waiting for the President to weigh in... by st0nes · · Score: 1

      It got attention. Isn't that the point of marketing?

      Yes. MS are a marketing company--the crap software they sell is incidental to the marketing effort. It's the same monkey they've been peddling for the last 2 decades, just with a different shade of lipstick. If Nobel prizes were dished out for marketing, Gates would have a cupboard full of them.

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    12. Re:Im waiting for the President to weigh in... by left00coaster · · Score: 1

      I don't think ridicule is the kind of attention they crave, nor from a marketing perspective, need. I do see, however, an 'art imitating life' scenario here: Taking Steve Jobs and Bill Gates to be symbolic as well as de facto embodiments of their respective firms, Apple ads are much like the former, Microsoft's, much like the latter. Merits of their products aside, I know which one I'd invite to a party.

    13. Re:Im waiting for the President to weigh in... by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

      Selling more product, or raising your brand's identity is the point of marketing. This does the opposite. The point of this story is that it's not just slashdot folk who are hearing about this - it's all over the mainstream media.

      "All over" ... not really "all over." Washington Post had it... and a bunch of tech sites like cnet. But yes, definitely more widespread than most random marketing stuff.

      For a while, the "buzz on the street" was that Windows 7 is actually a decent OS, unlike Vista. But as soon as the average person sees this House Party video, they are going to be very suspicious that Windows 7 is nothing but marketing hype, and may not actually be a decent OS after all.

      I disagree. I think you put too much logic in the minds of average people watching ads. If there was that much logic in the mind of the average person, then "Hey look, our beer has a picture of a blonde girl on it!" type ads wouldn't work. People do not appear to usually think when watching videos, ads, etc... otherwise most of what is "marketing" today wouldn't work, I don't think. Is this video bad for MS? I'd probably say yes. Is this going to completely trash their entire Windows 7 release? I highly doubt that. People are used to bad news stories coming out about various things. I doubt people are going to go to the store and get a Mac because they thought this marketing video was corny and stupid.

      Besides, it seems like it actually *is* a decent OS, having compared Ubuntu 9.04 and Windows 7 on exact same hardware.. one laptop and one desktop. I actually prefer and at least "feel" more productive using Windows 7. It feels less cluttered and actually seems to respond and even boot faster, at least on the laptop. And "stand-by" is far faster on it. Sure, anecdotal, but most "You should try Linux, it's great, I've been..." is just as anecdotal.

      Also off-topic, but I really don't think people are either logical enough or stupid enough to (1) think through this House Party video that much or (2) actually base their entire opinion on one bad video.

    14. Re:Im waiting for the President to weigh in... by VisceralLogic · · Score: 1

      Wait, so you're saying you actually have to have a product that people want, not just expensive ad campaigns?!

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    15. Re:Im waiting for the President to weigh in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A shooting spree at the local mall gets media attention too, but I wouldn't want it associated with my brand.

      "Columbine Brand(TM) condoms - make sure your bad seed doesn't germinate."

      What? Too soon? I'll show myself out.

      - T

    16. Re:Im waiting for the President to weigh in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  5. What's the target audience think? by QuantumG · · Score: 1

    Pundits hate it, check.
    Teenagers hate it, check. (What don't they hate?)
    Baby Boomers...

    ahhh, how do you over 60s feel about this promotion? Maybe it is actually a good thing to encourage you old folks to get together and learn "the new technology". Do you relate to it?

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    1. Re:What's the target audience think? by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      > ahhh, how do you over 60s feel about this promotion?

      Looks like television. I haven't watched television since some time in the previous century. There's a reason for that.

      > Maybe it is actually a good thing to encourage you old folks to get together
      > and learn "the new technology".

      Smarmy advertising for crap software is "the new technology"? Sorry. I'm too busy with Free Software.

      > Do you relate to it?

      The ad? I have a strong stomach so it doesn't make me vomit, if that is what you mean. The "technology"? I don't have _that_ strong a stomach. Fortunately I don't have to use it. I have Debian.

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    2. Re:What's the target audience think? by QuantumG · · Score: 0, Troll

      So what part of "target audience" did you miss? I really doubt Microsoft is interested in advertising to you.

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    3. Re:What's the target audience think? by skine · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Who are they marketing to?

    4. Re:What's the target audience think? by arodland · · Score: 4, Funny

      Microsoft is the new Tupperware?

    5. Re:What's the target audience think? by yurtinus · · Score: 3, Funny

      Fortunately I don't have to use it. I have Debian.

      This is the part where you hop on your motorcycle and wheelie the f out of there, right? RIGHT!?!?

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    6. Re:What's the target audience think? by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      You appear to believe that the "target audience" includes "over sixties". That's me.

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    7. Re:What's the target audience think? by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      Haven't reached 60 yet, I'm not really a boomer. But, right offhand, I can remember my Mama and Tupperware parties, and Avon crap. 'Xcuse me, gotta go barf....

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    8. Re:What's the target audience think? by hondo77 · · Score: 1

      Looks like television. I haven't watched television since some time in the previous century. There's a reason for that.

      Ah, but the 21st century has television only dreamt of in the previous century: Nigella Lawson's cooking shows.

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    9. Re:What's the target audience think? by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      > This is the part where you hop on your motorcycle and wheelie the f out of
      > there, right? RIGHT!?!?

      No. Motorcycles are boring. A thoroughbred.

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    10. Re:What's the target audience think? by John+Hasler · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > Ah, but the 21st century has television only dreamt of in the previous
      > century...

      I saw some 21st century television a few years back when I was visiting my father. It has not improved.

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    11. Re:What's the target audience think? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get off my Lawn Darts!

    12. Re:What's the target audience think? by Rophuine · · Score: 1

      No. Motorcycles are boring. A thoroughbred.

      You're riding the wrong kinda motorcycle.

    13. Re:What's the target audience think? by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      > You're riding the wrong kinda motorcycle.

      You're riding the wrong kind of horse. Motorcycles can't do 5 foot fences.

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    14. Re:What's the target audience think? by Landshark17 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Microsoft is the new Tupperware?

      Tupperware: Hard to open and full of food that was new a long time ago.

      Windows: Slow to open and full of stuff that was new a long time ago (on Macs).

      So pretty much true, exept without the freshness.

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    15. Re:What's the target audience think? by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      It's on youtube.

      The segment of the over 60's your alluding to do *not* use youtube.

    16. Re:What's the target audience think? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      vurtinus: dead on - laffing my ass off. If you don't mind, I'm gonna borrow that phrase. It could be used in 70% of the threads here. Awesome work.

    17. Re:What's the target audience think? by dr00g911 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      People who aren't cool enough for a Mac. Haven't you seen laptop hunters?

      In fact, they're marketing to people who have enormous chips on their shoulders about being so entirely uncool (or poor) for Macs.

      I jest. They're talking to themselves. Microsoft's insecurities have been laid utterly bare in all their marketing attempts for a decade.

      There was a joint interview with Jobs and Gates not too long ago that I'm too lazy to dig up, and a question was asked "what do you envy about the other" -- Gates' answer came off as snide, yet honest: "I wish I had your taste"

      They've been at this since the Zune came out and they started marketing to the Wal-Mart demographic. Because Wal-Mart folks like brown things that work almost sorta as well as an iPod at the same price. Because you're not cool enough for an iPod, and you've got a chip on your shoulder about it.

      The weird part is... that demographic's pretty much stuck with MS out of ignorance, and MS is tilting at windmills whenever they go against apple. They inevitably end up looking as insane (and sad) as Don Quixote himself.

      They're trying so hard to astroturf these days, build a viral movement. I'm not sure they understand that apart from a handful of lunatics/idiots/middle managers out there, there is nobody on earth who actually likes Microsoft. Maybe they do understand, and they're trying to overcompensate?

      Their messaging isn't helping any.

      So, as a career advertising guy (15 years & counting) I don't get it either.

      Round about Vista/Zune, MS and their various agencies of record starting shooting themselves in the foot. I'm here to tell you Crispin/Porter is a great, kooky agency... but they just can't speak to the Wal-Mart moms that MS thinks they're in danger of losing.

      Microsoft's achilles heels are Office (in the near term) and Mobile (in the long term). If they lose control over file formats and Exchange lock-in, Microsoft as we know it gets pushed over their tipping point. Over the long term, so many of our common tasks will be moving to mobiles or embedded devices instead of PCs -- and MS let Mobile languish as a steaming pile for the better part of a decade.

      But now they're just shitting out me-too copies of consumer electronics.

      Maybe the whole thing is misdirection? I don't think so, but there has to be a few smart folks at that company who can see the forest for the trees.

    18. Re:What's the target audience think? by Rophuine · · Score: 1

      I can't find the mod option for tl;dr.

    19. Re:What's the target audience think? by Rophuine · · Score: 1
    20. Re:What's the target audience think? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      272

    21. Re:What's the target audience think? by BluBrick · · Score: 1

      You appear to be labouring under the misconception that you are typical of the "over sixties" demographic.

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    22. Re:What's the target audience think? by gbarules2999 · · Score: 1

      I can run Windows 7 over with my car and it doesn't break. IT'S MAGIC

    23. Re:What's the target audience think? by raju1kabir · · Score: 1

      Maybe it is actually a good thing to encourage you old folks to get together and learn "the new technology". Do you relate to it?

      Oh God please no.

      Some slick talker in a computer shop convinced my mom to replace her aging Mac with a Windows machine so she could "play more games."

      Overnight my quality of life went straight into the crapper. It changed from one computer-question phone call every 6 months to two or three per week, and has been at that agonising level ever since. Every time I visit her I have to spend several hours cleaning the machine up and trying to get stuff to work.

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    24. Re:What's the target audience think? by KermodeBear · · Score: 1

      So, as a career advertising guy (15 years & counting) I don't get it either.

      I have mod points, but I'd rather ask a question instead (since you have the experience!). Microsoft is universally hated and it is seen as un-cool. Their advertising schemes lately make this even more obvious. House parties? Really? And does anyone remember those spoofs of the mac advertisements, or bill gates and Seinfeld? Yikes...

      So, if you were in charge of Microsoft's advertising, what would you do differently?

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    25. Re:What's the target audience think? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You... you nerdy ass sexy black old lady.

    26. Re:What's the target audience think? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who are they marketing to?

      Exactly. If anything, /. should be their main target market. Anyone who doesn't read /. is probably already using Windows anyway.

    27. Re:What's the target audience think? by spitzak · · Score: 1

      So, if you were in charge of Microsoft's advertising, what would you do differently?

      They could print some little viral ads that say "we don't waste money on flashy/trendy advertising, we are instead writing better software". Or make a big joke ad where they fire their advertising agency and decide to hire engineers with the money instead.

      Or don't advertise at all, it is pointless, it has *nothing* to do with Microsoft's market share or success. Really a guy goes to the store and buys a Dell, the don't know or care that $50 went to Microsoft. "Windows" as far as they know is a what the computer does the moment it is soldered together and means as much to them as a screw hidden inside the case or the spring that pops the CD out.

    28. Re:What's the target audience think? by xaxa · · Score: 1

      Microsoft is the new Tupperware?

      Tupperware: Hard to open and full of food that was new a long time ago.

      Windows: Slow to open and full of stuff that was new a long time ago (on Macs).

      So pretty much true, exept without the freshness.

      At least Tupperware keeps the bugs out of your food.

    29. Re:What's the target audience think? by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      Tupperware and Windows: Only useful if you keep the box closed.

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    30. Re:What's the target audience think? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who are they marketing to?

      Clearly it is nerdy guys, old-but-hip old people, black guys, and... milfs.

    31. Re:What's the target audience think? by dr00g911 · · Score: 1

      They're the evil empire. I don't think they'll ever be seen as cool without being split into smaller companies that can develop their own personalities. And no, having the XBox team dabble in UI doesn't really help. Give me back a programs menu that works!

      Honestly, the DoJ would have been doing them a favor to split them up like Ma Bell way back when. I'm not sure they'd have been doing the consumer any favors over the long run, though.

      From a marketing standpoint, they need their own messaging: not kneejerk responses to Apple and Google. Speak with confidence on their strengths, but set yourself apart from the competition. Speak on your own terms.

      It's really marketing 101. A leader in the industry with that kind of marketshare shouldn't even acknowledge the other guys, let alone focus neurotically on Apple who has like 12% market share (on a good day).

      When you're that big, you lead -- not follow. It's just so weird to me that they're determined to acknowledge barbarians at the gate at every opportunity.

    32. Re:What's the target audience think? by DrXym · · Score: 1
      Microsoft is the new Tupperware?

      No they're the new Ann Summers.

    33. Re:What's the target audience think? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I saw some 21st century television a few years back when I was visiting my father. It has not improved.

      Well, the TVs themselves have improved but TV itself has gotten much worse.

      When I first got cable in 1980 there were maybe a dozen cable channels, plus the over the air channels. Only the over the air channels had commercials.

      Movie channels didn't censor movies like they do now. I won't watch a movie on TV any more unless it's rated PG13 or less, because they're not just censored, they're butchered.

      They didn't have the stupid logos at the bottom right of the screen, which often cover text related to the show itself (subtitles, etc). Now they're even putting animated commercials for other shows at the bottn left of the screen, distracting you from the show itself. I hate it.

      The Discovery channel had science, art, etc. Now they have dreck like "trick my truckstop trick" and "man against the wilderness; the same "reality" shit you get on broadcast channels. The only worthwile show left on that channel is MythBusters.

      There are close to a hundred channels on my TV now, but I don't watch any more of them than I did in 1980. Now there are two CNNs, Fox, MSNBC, why do I need five full time news stations? There are so many sports stations that ESPN has been presenting poker and pool as "sports". What's next, chess and tiddley winks?

      TVs have improved, but TV has gone WAY downhill.

    34. Re:What's the target audience think? by OwMyBrain · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Steve Balmer. He is the target audience of this ad.

                    He wants Windows to be "cool" the way Macs are.

                    He wants a trendy viral marketing campaign. Those are all the rage these days.

                    He has to sign off on major marketing campaigns for the latest and greatest update to Microsoft's flagship product.

                    He is far enough removed from reality to think that people will buy into this crap.

                    His own Windows marketing shenanigans are just as absurd as this video.

      This video is everything Steve Balmer wants out of a marketing campaign. The ad agency get's paid for doing what he wants, and he himself is a chair-throwing lunatic.

    35. Re:What's the target audience think? by yurtinus · · Score: 1

      All these replies and nobody got it? What have I done wrong? I have failed you all... I only hope I can learn from this failure and perhaps be less vague next time.

      This is the kind of motorcycle I'm expecting him to ride.

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    36. Re:What's the target audience think? by FireFlie · · Score: 1

      Close. Overpriced cosmetics are the new Tupperware. It appears that Microsoft is the new overpriced cosmetics.

    37. Re:What's the target audience think? by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 1

      Tupperware? Microsoft is more like Amway.

    38. Re:What's the target audience think? by hrimhari · · Score: 1

      Is this it?

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  6. Microsoft is pure genius by cjfs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most advertisements only evoke one or two emotions. This one manages to make me feel despair, disgust, fear, and rage, all at the same time.

    They've truly taken it to the next level.

    1. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by QuantumG · · Score: 5, Funny

      wait until you try the OS.

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    2. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by cjfs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      wait until you try the OS.

      I've been using it for several months, it's definitely not as bad as their marketing.

    3. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by master5o1 · · Score: 1

      So they've managed to swap the emotive responses of using the operating system and seeing the advertisements. Good job Microsoft.

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    4. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah because we actually have a clue what we're talking about as opposed to you dickwads who spout off about shit you've never actually used. Makes perfect sense.

    5. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by kallisti777 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Read the Guardian article. What you're feeling is called "shitasmia".

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    6. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by QuantumG · · Score: 0

      huh? I said I hadn't installed it on my computer.. not that I hadn't used it. It's called a test lab, that's what its for..

      My opinion? Another OS where Microsoft changes shit just so they can say they have a new product.

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    7. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by je+ne+sais+quoi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This one manages to make me feel despair, disgust, fear, and rage, all at the same time.

      ...and yet, there's something like a 90% chance that you will buy their product (just a guess based on the current usage share of windows, not necessarily a /. reader). Does it matter that it's a horrible marketing attempt if the goal of the company is still accomplished?

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    8. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suppose the same holds true for anyone installing any beta Linux release or Mac release for that matter, or is this a hypocrites-only lounge?

    9. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by Chabil+Ha' · · Score: 1

      An early adopter to your opinion ought to be categorized the same.

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    10. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by KillerBob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While you're likely to shoot me down without bothering to look at what's being said, I'd like to point something out to you:

      when cifs said that he'd been using it for several months, and that it wasn't bad, you decided that because he installed a beta OS from MS, he automatically didn't count.

      What you're overlooking is that you have no idea the circumstances under which he's using it. He could be using it in a virtual machine. He could be dual-booting with another OS. He could actually be using the beta for its intended purpose: to test it. To see if he can break it. To see if it's actually functional. You have no way of knowing what other systems he's using, or what other computers he's got.

      And even if he is using it as his primary OS, has it ocurred to you to ask why he's using it over some of the alternatives? This is Slashdot. Is it really possible to be a user here and not know what Linux is, or OS/X, or BSD, or Solaris? Even in passing, I'd say that most of the reader base here has tried at least one of the above at some point in time, and that a significant portion of them are using one or more of those alternative OSes right now as we speak.

      Considering that he's probably well aware of the options available to him, why is he using Win7? Honestly, chalking it up to fanboi-ism is selling yourself short. You'd do well to try it out in a VM and see what it's actually about before you spout off mindless drivel like you just did. If you're going to shoot down his choice to use Win7, do it on a point-by-point basis, explaining exactly why one of the alternatives is better. And "it's free" isn't really a dealbreaker... neither is DRM, really, since I can still play downloaded MP3's, downloaded OGG/Vorbis, downloaded divx and xvid videos, and was able to do all of the above without ever going off and finding codecs. When I opened the file, it was already associated with WMP, and WMP was able to find the codec for me. While there's DRM in the OS, it isn't slowing things down significantly for me, and it isn't interfering with my ability to do what I want with the computer. I could see it causing you issues if you were trying to rip DVDs or Blu-rays, but most of us won't be affected by it.

      As for myself, I needed to do an OS reinstall on my gaming machine about a month and a half ago. As I've got an MSDN subscription (was a benefit from a job I had a while back, and they "forgot" to disable it), I downloaded and installed the RTM version of 64-bit Windows 7. It starts up faster than XP (MCE 2005) did on my machine, it's more responsive, and it's got a heck of a lot more eye candy. I decided to keep it, and have been using it, quite happily, on that system ever since. As for the tweaked/redesigned UI, I find that I'm quite comfortable with it, and that I really enjoy the updates they've made. It's not perfect, but no OS is. I would say, from experience, that it's about on a par with OS/X (only 10 years late!), as well as KDE4 and XFCE.

      The thing is... for the first time, ever, in my experience with Windows, I don't feel like I'm fighting with the OS to achieve even simple tasks. Things just work. (on that note, every piece of my laptop's hardware worked out of the box, and the only driver I had to install was the video card). It's responsive enough, and it just gets out of my way and lets me do things, without cluttering up my screen with useless crap and warnings.

      And the system in question is by no means top of the line, either. It's got a T5450 processor (1.66GHz Core2Duo), 2GB of RAM, a 120GB 7200rpm laptop hard drive, and a 256MB GeForce 8600M GT.

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    11. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by supervillainsf · · Score: 1

      The GP didn't say he installed in on his computer either, just that he said he'd been using it. Perhaps he has a test lab as well. You also ignore the possiblity of:
      a) virtual machines
      b) multi-boot
      c) Spare fucking computers laying around.
      So, based on what appears to be a total lack of intelligent thought on your part prior to posting your very informative opinion, it seems that nothing you say matters either.

    12. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by stinerman · · Score: 1

      I'm feeling some serious empathy for the actors.

      You know they're trying really hard to pull this off, but the script is horrid. I mean these guys have to eat, so I'm not going to bemoan them doing this "ad", but Christ Almighty, that was so bad I couldn't watch the whole thing. I just kept thinking about those poor tortured souls who are the face of this nightmare.

    13. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 1

      Anyone who subscribes to Slashdot is immediately ruled out of the "opinion worth listening to" category.

      Fixed that for you.

    14. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by node+3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      wait until you try the OS.

      I've been using it for several months, it's definitely not as bad as their marketing.

      I remember hearing this about Vista, pre-launch as well.

      The only real difference here is that Windows 7 has Vista to compare against, which can only make it look good. Additionally, new PCs will really require Windows Vista/7 to take full advantage of the hardware (or, perhaps XP64, which is too problematic to be mainstream). I'd wager, though, that hardware consideration aside, average consumers would rather run XP than Windows 7.

    15. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by m.ducharme · · Score: 1

      Actually, it sounded to me like someone who would install a Microsoft beta, and has had his opinion ignored. Perhaps several times.

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    16. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by hondo77 · · Score: 1

      In other words, you've sent away for your party pack.

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    17. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But that still has nothing to do with the advertisement.
      The ad is just so horribly awkward it is painful to watch.
      The forced conversation is downright shitty, at best.

      "Oh hey guys, you ever hear about how awesome the Windows 7 help portal is? Lets all read!"
      Ugh, i think my vomit vomited.

    18. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by node+3 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ...and yet, there's something like a 90% chance that you will buy their product

      Far fewer than 90% of people actually ever buy a Windows product. They may buy a PC (still, nowhere near 90%, but I'm not going to quibble here), but they generally *aren't* particularly set on Windows specifically.

      Does it matter that it's a horrible marketing attempt if the goal of the company is still accomplished?

      MS's goal isn't met, hence the ads. They want everyone to run out and buy Windows 7. This won't happen. They want PC makers to not sell Linux. This won't happen. They want Apple to fail. This won't happen. Calling 90% (or whatever) to be MS's goal is like running with football, then drawing an end zone around the spot where you were tackled.

    19. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by m.ducharme · · Score: 1

      Is it just me, or have all these people launched a flamewar against you because they misunderstood the tone of what you said? Because I definitely didn't get the feeling you were trying to insult cjfs when you told him his opinion "didn't matter." I considered trying to explain this to the flame warriors, but there are so many of them now that I'm doubting my reading of your post....

      (isn't slashdot fun? Nowhere else have I been online where so many people can get so enraged at so little)

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    20. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by Sporkinum · · Score: 1

      "And the system in question is by no means top of the line, either. It's got a T5450 processor (1.66GHz Core2Duo), 2GB of RAM, a 120GB 7200rpm laptop hard drive, and a 256MB GeForce 8600M GT."

      It cracks me up when people say stuff like this. That would have been a bad-ass machine a few years ago. It still has tons of horsepower as far as running an OS goes. XP runs pretty well on an old AMD XP-1700 based system with a 768mb of ram.

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    21. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by QuantumG · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Yeah, Slashdot is full of nerds who are easy to get riled up. The value of pi is precisely 3!!

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    22. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      Out of curiosity, did you *have* to install a video card driver, or did you just want to install the one from nVidia's website instead of using the one on Windows Update?

      Because I can guarantee Microsoft has that driver.

    23. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's what Vista should have been. Since I pretty much skipped Vista, it works out nicely.

    24. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by cjfs · · Score: 4, Funny

      What you're overlooking is that you have no idea the circumstances under which he's using it. He could be using it in a virtual machine. He could be dual-booting with another OS. He could actually be using the beta for its intended purpose: to test it. To see if he can break it. To see if it's actually functional. You have no way of knowing what other systems he's using, or what other computers he's got.

      I originally had debian, xp, and openbsd running on my three main computers. I found that in order to hack the gibsons I needed more power, so I installed my zero-day windows 7 on all of them. With my newly acquired megahertz I just cruised right through the firewalls, disabled the ai, and floated off into cyberspace.

      I hope this clears things up. Now can I come back to the Slashdot cool table?

    25. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      Actually it's 10. In base pi.

    26. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by R3d+Jack · · Score: 1

      You felt *emotions* in response to that?

    27. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      A lot of people *will* buy Windows 7. Maybe not so many in absolute terms - but MS will buy just enough publicity to make it look like *everyone* is doing it (hell, the launch of XP was the #1 item in the fucking *news* FFS. They probably paid millions for that). Every magazine will be full of 'how cool windows 7 is', every online blog they can buy will be full of 'how to do cool things with windows 7' (and I expect this will include slashdot, since they have feed their families just like everyone else).

      A lot will pirate it - and MS are fine with that because if they're using MS products they're not using the competition.

      Like it or not, Windows 7 launch will be huge, whether the OS is any good or not.

    28. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      8600GT is pretty srs for a work machine tho, it would be nice to have a review from someone without a proper midrange gaming card

    29. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by n3r0.m4dski11z · · Score: 1

      "I could see it causing you issues if you were trying to rip DVDs or Blu-rays, but most of us won't be affected by it."

      I was with you untill that point. I had not heard baout this "feature" but i have heard alot of good reviews of windows 7. That would really be a dealbreaker for me. I also cannot imagine that "most users" do not rip dvds. I know plenty of officefolk, accountants, secrataries marketting people, etc.. who ALL want to watch dvds on some sort of computer (media player, iphone, projector..).

      So i wouldn't say that DVD ripping has no legitimate uses. Who the hell wants to fuck around with plastic discs? its 2009! 1tb is like 70 bucks.

      Do you have any confirmed facts that that is even true? I know a few people with the windows 7 expireware version and they report no such issues.

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    30. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      I would say that it is a failure if it doesnt increase the bottom line, yes. Just about everyone considers the seinfeld MS commercials to be gigantic failures. Do people still buy windows despite them? Yes, but the key word is "despite"

    31. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by agnosticnixie · · Score: 1

      Hell, that thing smokes the average netbook. Which I've only seen once on XP and I'd never have described that as swimmingly even compared to the very bloated kdemod-4 available with archlinux when you install everything (which was itself on the rather slow side).

    32. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You! It was YOU who STOLE my megahertz!!!

    33. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thing is... for the first time, ever, in my experience with Windows, I don't feel like I'm fighting with the OS to achieve even simple tasks. Things just work.

      How interesting. I use Ubuntu because it is fast, stable, has powerful configuration tools, lots of interface eye candy, easy to script for, has the state-of-the-art development toolchain, comes with full source code, is thoroughly documented, in compliance with open standards, has no DRM or ANY features which take away my privacy, security, or freedom to use the software however I see fit, has a great software packager and a tremendous amount of high quality native free software.

      And you use Windows because "things just work"... Well, enjoy donating computing cycles to MS :)

    34. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by raju1kabir · · Score: 1

      Actually it's 10. In base pi.

      Nicely done.

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    35. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wait until you try the OS.

      I've been using it for several months, it's definitely not as bad as their marketing.

      Satan worshipers sacrificing pregnant women isn't as bad as their marketing.

    36. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      You mean 1 in base pi, or 10 in base sqrt(pi).

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    37. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      I remember hearing this about Vista, pre-launch as well.

      Well, not only was that true, but Vista was not (and is not) even 1/4 as bad as the anti-fanboys proclaim. I've been using it on my new computer I built around the time I came out, and while it definitely isn't worth upgrading to at all, there's nothing actually wrong with it. It works fine.

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    38. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by Philip_the_physicist · · Score: 1

      That's just so people stop saying they use good marketing to sell a bad product.

      And BTW, your comment was definitely damning with faint praise.

    39. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      You think we've got it bad? Imagine being involved in the writing, production or acting of that ad... they wash and wash and wash, but the shame won't come off. It won't come off!

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    40. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      wait until you try the OS.

      Oh, ob xkcd on you.

      True enough though: throwing "get rid of Vista" parties might have legs.

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    41. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

      mmmmmmmm, Base Pi

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    42. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by KillerBob · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Out of curiosity, did you *have* to install a video card driver, or did you just want to install the one from nVidia's website instead of using the one on Windows Update?

      I installed the one direct from nVidia's website because I was getting jaggies and screen flickering in some video games.... Out of the box, it had a perfectly adequate 2D driver and was able to use the display at the native 1680x1050 resolution, but 3D performance was non-existant.

      I also prefer not to install drivers from Windows Update. I like knowing exactly which version of a driver I have installed, and I don't like replacing drivers unless I'm having an issue that needs to be addressed. If it ain't broke, don't fix it and all. :)

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    43. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by GravityStar · · Score: 1

      You can come back to the Slashdot _pool_ table. As for the cool table, we're out of ice right now.

    44. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by GravityStar · · Score: 1

      You can't take a (full-quality) screencapture of a DRM'd video. But given the correct software you can sure un-DRM the video. And unless I'm mistaken, this system is still the same as the Vista DRM.

    45. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      I've installed Windows 7 on a bootcamp partition on my MacBook. It is slower than Snow Leopard, and uses a lot more battery, but apart from that it is reasonably OK. Probably better than XP in most respects other than performance.

      XP mode is not that good compared to Parallels Desktop. It uses RDP to connect remotely to the virtual machine so graphics performance is nowhere near as good as using the virtual video card in Parallels.

    46. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by left00coaster · · Score: 1

      Were it as bad as their advertising, Windows 7 would have caused your computer to explode. If not accidentally, then on purpose.

    47. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      Huh. That's a little weird. I use the Windows Update driver, because my philosophy is "fuck I'm lazy, let Windows do it", and I've never had any performance problems with games. The Microsoft driver is a little more generic than the one you download from nVidia, so maybe that's that.

      Of course, once you install Steam, Steam becomes "driver Nazi" too. There's really no shortage of ways to get drivers auto-updated anymore.

    48. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      I doubt they need marketing for that. As long as they have the big-box makers in their pockets Joe Sixpack has a choice between white and black computers. All come with Windows pre-installed. Some in bigger case, some maybe with nice lights in it, but they will all run Windows. No expensive marketing campaigns needed, anyone but a geek (who knows about the alternatives already) will every try to install their own O/S in the first place.

    49. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      >I'd wager, though, that hardware consideration aside, average consumers would rather run XP than Windows 7.

      Thank Jeebus that the lowest common denominator doesnt make all the decisions and their wants are usually ignored. If the average guy dictated Windows features you'd have him running as admin 24/7, built-in Bonzai buddy spyware, eighteen toolbars, comic sans as default font, and fifteen shortcuts to the coupons.com, etc etc. For more on this concept, please see the Simpsons episode where Homer designs a car.

      Heaven forbid the industry does some leadership here. Im glad MS is doing user-level privs by default, UAC, push for 64-bit, powershell, new APIs, TRIM command for SSDs, etc. Average Joe really doesnt want XP. Heck, when XP came out Average Joe was pining for Win95 or Win3.11. Screw what Joe User wants. Nothing good has ever come from pandering to the lowest common denominator.

    50. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dude, you never left. :)

    51. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by magus_melchior · · Score: 1

      While that's probably true, that wasn't the sound of fighter jets over your head...

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    52. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by orngjce223 · · Score: 1

      Secondhand Sony VAIO from 2006 - 1GB RAM, 1.66GHz dual core x86, and a stupidly underpowered Intel Integrated Graphics Card. Win7 runs almost perfectly but very slowly and while taking up more than half of that 1GB of memory. I don't even want to know what happens when I try to shrink that page file.

      FWIW, I'm running Ubuntu right now, which runs far more quickly (in GNOME; KDE 4.2 overworked the graphics card, so I had to take a pass on it.)

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    53. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1
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    54. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thing is... for the first time, ever, in my experience with Windows, I don't feel like I'm fighting with the OS to achieve even simple tasks.

      I must be thinking of a different OS. When I tried to use Win7, I fought it on everything except the simple tasks. Just like Office 2007: welcoming for new users, major pain in the ass for power users.

      How so? Try deleting a wireless network. Really, try it. You have to find a GUID link in the Help system to bring up the old-style control panel which allows you to delete a network. Gah!

      There's a lot of nice stuff in Win7, but I've ended up pissed off any time I use it for more than browsing the Web.

    55. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by KillerBob · · Score: 1

      How so? Try deleting a wireless network. Really, try it. You have to find a GUID link in the Help system to bring up the old-style control panel which allows you to delete a network. Gah!

      R.click on your wireless icon in the task bar, and go to "Network and Sharing Center". On the left, there's a link "Manage wireless networks". Click on that, it'll give you a list of all active and inactive wireless networks. Right-click on any of them, and you can delete it by clicking "Remove Network".

      I agree that it can be irritating for power users, but that's mainly because power users expect things to be in one place. They've gone and changed the locations, but they haven't removed the functionality.

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    56. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by node+3 · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure exactly what part of my post you were responding to. I can't find anything in my post which you have contradicted or disputed...

    57. Re:Microsoft is pure genius by PhilHibbs · · Score: 1

      You mean 1 in base pi, or 10 in base sqrt(pi)

      1 in base ten is not ten.

  7. What is with the camera work?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I threw up due to the fast pans and edits long before the content made me barf. AG

  8. Ratings disabled? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 5, Informative

    I wonder why...

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    1. Re:Ratings disabled? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oWWt_L-qeo&feature=related

      This version got a cool 1.5* rating so far.. And you can comment on it too if you need to make sure the world knows that you're part of the elite "lolz that was so retarded i puked a little! BITCH"-crew

    2. Re:Ratings disabled? by bertramwooster · · Score: 1

      This one has ratings and comments enabled. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oWWt_L-qeo&feature=related)

  9. Corny Much... by BeaverAndrew · · Score: 3, Funny

    White Guy: "Of course the first thing you're going to do is install Windows 7." Group: *Laughs* (Like we're going to do that.)

    1. Re:Corny Much... by pintpusher · · Score: 2, Funny

      Black Guy: "Can you believe Microsoft put the launch of windows 7 in our hands?!"
      Group: *laughs*
      Black Guy: "Are they nuts or what?!"
      Group: *laughs*
      White Guy: "(maybe|only)*** by letting you be involved!"
      Group: "ooh harsh!"

      If only they had followed up with

      Black Guy: *pounds White Guy for being a jerk*
      White Guy: *screams like a girl while blood gushes from his nose*
      Women: *laughs*

      it would have avoided

      Me: *pukes*

      ***unintelligible

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  10. YouTube Comments Disabled by bughunter · · Score: 4, Funny

    I like how they disabled comments on the video.

    Because, of course, the video's obvious coolness needed no acknowledgment from the viewers.

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    1. Re:YouTube Comments Disabled by religious+freak · · Score: 1

      Is Youtube slow for anyone else lately, or is my isp starting to throttle me? I'm supposed to be getting 12Mb/s - took me 10 mins to download this stupid vid. Other media seems a bit slow too.

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    2. Re:YouTube Comments Disabled by TravisHein · · Score: 1

      I guess we can post our comments over at /B/ then

    3. Re:YouTube Comments Disabled by daath93 · · Score: 0, Troll

      Because the quality of youtube comments is only marginally better than the quality of slashdot comments.

    4. Re:YouTube Comments Disabled by icebraining · · Score: 1

      I've downloaded the video in less than one minute, and I have 3Mbps...

    5. Re:YouTube Comments Disabled by concept14 · · Score: 1

      But the video response link is not disabled. Who wants to be the first to rickroll Microsoft?

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    6. Re:YouTube Comments Disabled by Jackazz · · Score: 1

      I thought all the quick cuts, diverse cast, microsoft color palette, and canned laughter were completely natural. What a witty repartee. And no, I do not know what 'contrived' means.

    7. Re:YouTube Comments Disabled by religious+freak · · Score: 1

      Hmm... k, thx.

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    8. Re:YouTube Comments Disabled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know about the rest of you, but I always disable comments in YouTube videos, because the people that write them are almost always trolling...

    9. Re:YouTube Comments Disabled by everynerd · · Score: 1

      As far as I'm concerned, every video on YouTube should have comments disabled. The world would instantly be a better place.

    10. Re:YouTube Comments Disabled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google Sidewiki may be good for something after all....

    11. Re:YouTube Comments Disabled by BluBrick · · Score: 1

      Although not yet available, the solution has been devised. (Yes, yes, I'm sorry, but someone had to do it!)

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    12. Re:YouTube Comments Disabled by psergiu · · Score: 1

      Video responses are disabled too

      But we can flag the video as: Spam / mass advertising ... it's true :)

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  11. NPR weighed in by Peter+Simpson · · Score: 4, Informative

    Heard it on All Things Considered on the way home tonight. They played a clip from the "how to give a party" video. There were several comments about how MS's marketing dept had missed the target again.

    1. Re:NPR weighed in by Kamokazi · · Score: 0

      "Missed the target" doesn't even come close to explaining this atrocity. It's more like they got drunk the night before, played Russian roulette and wasted all their bullets, and the only person left alive to do anything was an incompetent vegetable missing half their brain.

      Also, NPR sucks. I'd almost rather listen to Limbaugh. Almost.

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    2. Re:NPR weighed in by meowhous · · Score: 0

      Oh, so you have worked in Marketing!

    3. Re:NPR weighed in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Limbaugh and NPR are about equally dumb, but with Rush I suppose you can laugh at his outrageous stupidity. NPR is a sadly typical journalistic establishment: they invite total fucking liars, corporate shills and repulsive douchebags on and treat them Very Seriously (ie, suck their dicks).

      NB: Any episode of "Wait Wait" with Mo Rocca is very much worth listening to. And NPR affiliates like WNYC often produce great stuff of their own.

  12. Look at the Bright Side by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Funny

    I remember for the Heinz Ketchup creativity contest they had recently there were a bunch of videos they kept removing despite them getting a lot of votes. Like this one that showed a wicked old lady chugging ketchup and then at the end she holds the bottle up and smiles and has this awesome snaggletooth grin with missing teeth.

    So Microsoft will have to put with questionable content and I'll be there to vote it up and love it. Example:

    *man sits behind TV set with only shoulders and head visible and upper arm working vigorously while expressions of joy cross his face*
    Narrator: So there I was watching some kitten snuff films before my friends arrived for the Win7 Launch party.
    *doorbell rings, narrator gets up to open door behind which are three guys with sunglasses on and a white powder visibly smeared across their upper lips*
    Narrator: Guys, what's the deal, where are the hookers?
    Christian Slater Sounding Partier: Yeah, Fred, about that, we had a little accident. One of the hookers got a bit lippy and they're not gonna make it.
    Narrator: They're coming later?
    Christian Slater Sounding Partier: Just make sure you don't leave any fingerprints on your dumpster if you go there tonight.
    Narrator: Awesome, well, you all brought your stolen laptops so let's fire 'em up and start doing something better than snorting coke and killing hookers: installing Win7.

    Remember, it's not just the comments that are impressively stupid on YouTube. There's also videos. Opening up your company to a video contest? Yeah, I'll be searching YouTube for "Win7 Launch Party REJECTED."

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    1. Re:Look at the Bright Side by gblackwo · · Score: 5, Informative

      Why was this modded funny? I don't get it.

    2. Re:Look at the Bright Side by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone have a link to that heinz video?

    3. Re:Look at the Bright Side by gblackwo · · Score: 4, Informative

      I was being sarcastic not informative!

    4. Re:Look at the Bright Side by eldavojohn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Anyone have a link to that heinz video?

      I tried hard to find it as I got a kick out of it but came up empty handed. I do have a link to our discussion on this as well as from there you can see that the videos were deleted on YouTube and have broken links on the NY Times. If only the NY Times was ballsy enough to cache them locally in the name of journalism :) Unfortunately there's not much left in the name of journalism these days ...

      Also, if anyone has Don Hertzfeldt's e-mail address I'd chuck $20 at a paypal fund to commission him to make a video for a Win7 launch party. I mean his video for Johnson's Bean Lard (now with 50% more sodium!) made me want to purchase it.

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    5. Re:Look at the Bright Side by Rophuine · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Ah, Slashdot. Where the moderations are funnier than the comments themselves.

    6. Re:Look at the Bright Side by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well.... At least you have plenty of company. microsoft doesnt 'get it' either.

      "Don't worry scrote. There are plenty of 'tards out there living really kick@$$ lives."

    7. Re:Look at the Bright Side by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think /.'s view of what is funny has been shattered; and thusly now everything is marked informative or insightful.

    8. Re:Look at the Bright Side by burkmat · · Score: 1

      Well at least the second comment got modded correctly, 50% accuracy isn't too bad.

    9. Re:Look at the Bright Side by baka_toroi · · Score: 1

      I love you, mods.

    10. Re:Look at the Bright Side by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      We need to petition for a "+1 Sarcastic" modding option

  13. I'd hold one by Voyager529 · · Score: 0

    but I'd be worried that Kanye West would walk in and say "Windows 7 is good and all, but Steve Jobs wrote the best OS ever...I'm just sayin!"

    1. Re:I'd hold one by cjfs · · Score: 1

      but I'd be worried that Kanye West would walk in and say "Windows 7 is good and all, but Steve Jobs wrote the best OS ever...I'm just sayin!"

      Microsoft could take a marketing cue from Kanye and listen to their customers. It really couldn't get any worse.

  14. Good thing these bad commercials... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...are not generating any free press for Microsoft.

    1. Re:Good thing these bad commercials... by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Excellent point. Because, after all, Microsoft has such a hard time generating free press. What they really need now is to get their name out there no matter what connotation is involved with it. Once that happens, THEN they can worry about image.

    2. Re:Good thing these bad commercials... by mgblst · · Score: 1

      Who is this Microsoft you speak off?

      You really don't understand the concept of free press.

    3. Re:Good thing these bad commercials... by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      After seeing this (and reading about what the "party kit" contains) I looked up the launch party website and was disappointed that you can't sign up anymore (at least for Germany the parties are scheduled between last thursday and today and I doubt you can still sign up). I definitely would have held a party for a free copy of Win7 Ultimate. Okay, so the only other people on the party would be my family and they wouldn't actually be in the same room... and I wouldn't actually boot up Win7 during the party... but hey, I'd have so many fun activities like playing Windows games in CrossOver Games or bringing it all together by ending the party on http://slashdot.org/, where you can find many helpful tips about how to optimally despise Microsoft.

      Youre losing out, Microsoft. At least my party would've genereated much less contempt for you than this video did.

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    4. Re:Good thing these bad commercials... by nairb774 · · Score: 1
      Flag the video "Mass Advertising" - I mean it is.

      I would love to see Google yank a Microsoft video.

    5. Re:Good thing these bad commercials... by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      Indeed. They are mentioned no-where. Not even on slashdot. Who is this Microsoft you are talking about anyway? Are they in computers or so? Then maybe we should give them a front-page story or so now and then.

  15. Wow that acting stank by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, I need a shower.

    1. Re:Wow that acting stank by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I need a shower.

      Yeah, so do all the other 99.99% smelly F/OSS commie/hippies.

  16. New Weight Loss program Discovered by A+Wise+Guy · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have seriously thrown up and lost 10 pounds of food from my intestines including water. You too can achieve rapid weight loss.

    1. Re:New Weight Loss program Discovered by sumdumass · · Score: 0, Troll

      If there was 10 pounds of food in your intestine that came out of your mouth by throwing up, I suggest that you get some colon blow (use it until you get explosive diarrhea) and some breath mints. It's bound to be smelling like shit.

    2. Re:New Weight Loss program Discovered by abshack · · Score: 1

      I bet I could throw up a 100 pounds... oh shit, wrong website... :(

  17. This is nothing new by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 5, Funny
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    1. Re:This is nothing new by UncleWilly · · Score: 1

      omg, I never saw those before. They make the new video look like Academy Award material.

    2. Re:This is nothing new by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 1

      Well, yes... but those are from an entirely different era. The entire Industry was different at that time, much less Microsoft.

    3. Re:This is nothing new by hey · · Score: 1

      MS-DOS 5 frees up 45K ... wow.

    4. Re:This is nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows '95 had Rolling Stones and Weezer. It has aged less than this new crap. Honestly, this is embarrassing.

    5. Re:This is nothing new by Adammil2000 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The Windows 1.0 video was intentionally a joke video made for the annual company meeting shown to employees.

    6. Re:This is nothing new by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Except in Nebraska!"

      Crap. I wish they'd saved that restriction until now so I could avoid this latest iteration.

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    7. Re:This is nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He bears an eerie resemblance to the late Billy Mays in his delivery. One can only hope....

    8. Re:This is nothing new by JTBunton · · Score: 1

      OMG I just had an abortion after watching those videos!!!!! (I'm a dude) Shit that bad should come with a warning label!

    9. Re:This is nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Ballmer video is actually funny! They should bring some of that back!

    10. Re:This is nothing new by Avatar8 · · Score: 1

      So in summary, Microsoft is unable to learn from their mistakes.

    11. Re:This is nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Watching that rap actually made my soul hurt. I feel like I'm going to throw up. The Windows 7 party video set me up and then the rap just destroyed the rest of my reserves of the will to live. I feel post-traumatic stress disorder coming on.

    12. Re:This is nothing new by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

      Get a lawyer and sue Microsoft. They made the videos that made you sick. You can file a class action lawsuit with others like this person who had an abortion watching the videos and he's a guy.

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  18. It looks like even they know it sucks... by Jahava · · Score: 5, Insightful

    T=5:43: Can you believe that Microsoft put the launch of Windows 7 in our hands? Couldn't have said it better myself. I love the token nerd, attractive woman, old-but-hip person, and black guy. It's like they hired marketing undergraduates to design the video.

    1. Re:It looks like even they know it sucks... by Ronald+Dumsfeld · · Score: 1

      T=5:43: Can you believe that Microsoft put the launch of Windows 7 in our hands? Couldn't have said it better myself. I love the token nerd, attractive woman, old-but-hip person, and black guy. It's like they hired marketing undergraduates to design the video.

      You foolish and naive individual. You don't hire marketing undergraduates. They'll suck cock for the networking opportunities.

      Now, does Herr Ballmer have lipstick somewhere incriminating, or a rash from a five-o-clock shadow?

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    2. Re:It looks like even they know it sucks... by religious+freak · · Score: 1

      I listened to that part at least five times - I couldn't figure out what he was actually saying, but I swear to you I thought he was talking about putting something "in his ..." Well, anyway, I guess it was just me.

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    3. Re:It looks like even they know it sucks... by mgblst · · Score: 1

      Just wonder what the polish version is going to look like? Is there really 4 Borat impersonators out there?

    4. Re:It looks like even they know it sucks... by db32 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Or the interns they gave the police escort to. What no one talked about was that it was actually a prisoner transport.

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    5. Re:It looks like even they know it sucks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's "like" that?

    6. Re:It looks like even they know it sucks... by randomsearch · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Seriously people, is there anyone that doesn't think this is one of the most brilliant pieces of ironic viral marketing?

      This discussion is all over the web, the print press and radio. It's absolute genius. Almost everyone knows there is a new version of windows coming out. Many will watch the video, which mentions various aspects of Windows 7.

      Presumably, the comments on YouTube were disabled in order to preserve the ambiguity of the video.

      If you haven't watched the whole clip, it becomes more obvious towards the end. The dead giveaway is the "can you believe they've left the launch of windows 7 to us" etc. quote.

      Kudos to MS, this puts even Apple's marketing in the shade.

      It seems MS will not be able to fully admit the ad is ironic now, as they'd make a lot of journalists look quite foolish.

      And no, I am not being ironic!

      RS

    7. Re:It looks like even they know it sucks... by Khith · · Score: 1

      Amazing! Without this brilliant video, I would have never figured out that MS is releasing a new version of Windows!

    8. Re:It looks like even they know it sucks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't hire marketing undergraduates. They'll suck cock for the networking opportunities.

      Yes, of course. But why on earth were they reassigned to doing this video?

    9. Re:It looks like even they know it sucks... by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      You "love" that there's no Asians in it? RACIST!

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    10. Re:It looks like even they know it sucks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You get what you pay for.

      Nathan

    11. Re:It looks like even they know it sucks... by Avatar8 · · Score: 1

      It's the obvious, forced equal rights representation. Where's the black female, the Asians, Indians or Russians? Contrived.

    12. Re:It looks like even they know it sucks... by mrrudge · · Score: 1

      Don't mistake lack of talent for genius. Microsoft are in a very poor position with Windows, their last version had a large amount of bad press from the same people deriding this advert and their resulting sales were so bad they've had to rebrand a service pack and attempt to start again in the eyes of the public. Courting bad press at this stage would be monumentally stupid ( It's what ? Crap like the last one, moves on ).

      A simpler answer would be that they've never managed to produce a good looking anything, ever. This is more of the same.

    13. Re:It looks like even they know it sucks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      your kung fu is weak, the obvious preferred casting choice should have been "a woman, two dips and a cripple"

  19. leaving my computer on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and letting other people around the world mess around with it? In what way is this a new feature? *cough* BOTNETS *cough*

  20. And yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Here you are talking about Windows 7.

    1. Re:And yet... by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Here you are talking about Windows 7.

      No, we're making fun of the video and the asshats in Microsoft Marketing. No one is talking about the OS at all. This could make it so unhip to use it that Apple gains significant market share regardless of the merits of the new system.

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    2. Re:And yet... by daath93 · · Score: 1

      And yet here you are pissing and moaning about an operating system that you have no intent on even trying, letalone attempting an unbiased review of.

      Fixed that for you.

    3. Re:And yet... by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

      The last time I saw a product launch that even came close to this was the PS3.

  21. Oh my god did that suck!!!!! by mikeiver1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I could not get through even 30 seconds of it and I am in shame for that. I would rather light my ball hairs on fire and have a bondage trans sexual primordial dwarf beat the fire out with a sledge hammer than have to watch another second of that bowel evacuating drivel! The camera work sucks too. Mike

    1. Re:Oh my god did that suck!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      "Mike, there's a call for you on line 1 ... someone answering your Craigslist ad for a dwarf. She says she prefers to be called a little person, but other than that she thinks there could be some chemistry between you, if you don't mind her adam's apple. Should I put her through or take a message?"

    2. Re:Oh my god did that suck!!!!! by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was about 10 seconds, and this was without audio. The camera work is that of a douche, the camera is always panning at least a little bit, and there were too many stupid snap zooms. I realize this has become popular lately, but I start feeling like I'm getting tipsy.

      The whole concept is deranged, if you're putting on a party, don't do it for marketing someone else's product. Heck, any kind of product party is deranged, it says to the invitees that you're so bored, you'll attend a thinly veiled product pitch. And the host? They get a copy of Windows 7, a few napkins and streamers. Dude, don't sell yourself out for napkins.

    3. Re:Oh my god did that suck!!!!! by SoVeryTired · · Score: 1

      I would rather light my ball hairs on fire and have a bondage trans sexual primordial dwarf beat the fire out with a sledge hammer than have to watch another second of that bowel evacuating drivel!

      Forget about the video, that's my Saturday night sorted out!

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    4. Re:Oh my god did that suck!!!!! by Macrat · · Score: 1

      I was about 10 seconds, and this was without audio. The camera work is that of a douche, the camera is always panning at least a little bit, and there were too many stupid snap zooms. I realize this has become popular lately, but I start feeling like I'm getting tipsy.

      Popular lately?

      This kind of camera work has been going on by "hip" camera crews since the 1990's.

    5. Re:Oh my god did that suck!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah I can see your name in your user ID, dorktard. Thanks for repeating it though for the 2 readers who might have missed it.

      Next time use the sig field.

    6. Re:Oh my god did that suck!!!!! by Eil · · Score: 1

      I would rather light my ball hairs on fire and have a bondage trans sexual primordial dwarf beat the fire out with a sledge hammer

      Hey some of us consider that a good time

    7. Re:Oh my god did that suck!!!!! by Philip_the_physicist · · Score: 1

      Actually, I'm going to one where the host got some money out of MS for expenses. He's not selling his soul for napkins, he's selling it for beer.

    8. Re:Oh my god did that suck!!!!! by mathx314 · · Score: 1

      I thought you guys were exaggerating. Twenty seconds later, however...

    9. Re:Oh my god did that suck!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "bondage trans sexual primordial dwarf"

      Balmer is not that short...

    10. Re:Oh my god did that suck!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Around here we call those "weekends"

  22. It just confirms a long held theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    That Microsoft is in fact the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation.

    1. Re:It just confirms a long held theory by aaronrp · · Score: 1

      That Microsoft is in fact the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation.

      Yes - this is "Windows 7 - Share and Enjoy!" Mod parent up.

  23. fun times, fun times by Bob+the+Hamster · · Score: 1, Funny

    Oh, all you haters just don't want to admit how much fun it would be to throw a party that damn nerdy.

  24. Tuppaware party? by Freaky+Spook · · Score: 4, Funny

    It wasn't until I was 1/2 way through the video where it dawned on me that they were discussing throwing a party to introduce their friends to all the cool new things that Windows 7 can offer.

    Either Microsoft is planning on selling Windows 7 like tuppaware or what I just watched was the introduction to a very bad porno.

    1. Re:Tuppaware party? by frosty_tsm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Either Microsoft is planning on selling Windows 7 like tuppaware or what I just watched was the introduction to a very bad porno.

      Just think of how many different interests can be satisfied with this cast.

    2. Re:Tuppaware party? by lennier · · Score: 1

      You've seen this version, right?

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    3. Re:Tuppaware party? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MS finally builds a decent replacement for Vista, and then goes 30 years back to advertise it. That clumsy MS geek from Apple commercial is waaay cooler than any of these stereotype zombies. It looks like your grandma's Youtube video from back in the day.

    4. Re:Tuppaware party? by Macgrrl · · Score: 1

      I stumbled on this yesterday, I think it was on Slashdot: http://www.cabel.name/2009/09/windows-7-party.html

      If you've ever seen the Seaseme Street Count clip with the word cound beeped out you'll know what to expect here. It almost makes it watchable.

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    5. Re:Tuppaware party? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh god! The images!!! You bastard! Now I'm going to need to give my self a lobotomy or something to ghet these images out of my head! Damn you the the lowest levels of hell!

  25. Incredible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Holy fu**ing sh*t. They never stop, do they ? when you think they reached the lower bottom they could reach, they just find a new, lower one. This is incredible. It's almost so bad advertising they approach it from a new horizon : it's so bad you want to make your friends watch it, and you want to watch it again, fascinated by the overall bad taste of the all thing. Maybe it's some kind of secret genius marketing scheme.

  26. Missed porn opportunity. by NoYob · · Score: 2, Funny

    Come on, this video is complex, challenging art.

    I was hoping to see a bunch of anal sex with the caption being, "Hey, you got it up the ass with Vista be prepared for Windows 7!"

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    1. Re:Missed porn opportunity. by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey, now. 7 runs much more smoothly than Vista - they used lube this time.

    2. Re:Missed porn opportunity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then why does it hurt so much to install?

    3. Re:Missed porn opportunity. by gbarules2999 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Mods, if there's anything this post is baiting, it's NOT flame.

    4. Re:Missed porn opportunity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      gee, thanks dude. (and mods) you made my day.

    5. Re:Missed porn opportunity. by rossi · · Score: 1

      Yeah, last time it was a bucket of coarse sand.

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    6. Re:Missed porn opportunity. by anaesthetica · · Score: 1

      Bud Light beat Microsoft to the concept of anal sex in advertising.

  27. They Just Took the Wrong Angle by AvgCsStudent · · Score: 1

    Have a LAN party!

    1. Re:They Just Took the Wrong Angle by tsm_sf · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I can't wait to try out starcraft 2 and diablo 3!

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  28. Probably an emergency measure by Google... by Jahava · · Score: 3, Funny

    I wonder why...

    My guess is that they were originally enabled, but Google didn't have the bandwidth to process the torrent of 0.0 votes.

    1. Re:Probably an emergency measure by Google... by lptport1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's ironic that they're using YouTube, a Google service, to perpetrate this masterpiece on civilization.

      It really does instigate a wash of emotions, and it amazes me that anyone can discern individual feelings out of watching it. To quote the awesomest six year old I know, it was "awkweird".

    2. Re:Probably an emergency measure by Google... by selven · · Score: 4, Funny

      Integer underflow most likely.

    3. Re:Probably an emergency measure by Google... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Funny, but in case anyone doesn't know:

      YouTube users can turn off the comments on their own videos.

      In other words, it's likely that Microsoft either anticipated that it might be modded down, and they'd rather have no rating than even the possibility of a bad rating...

      Or Microsoft noticed the torrent of 0.0 votes and turned off ratings.

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    4. Re:Probably an emergency measure by Google... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Whoops, that should read:

      YouTube users can disable comments and/or ratings on their own videos.

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    5. Re:Probably an emergency measure by Google... by skine · · Score: 1

      I'm starting to think my Set Theory and Logic professor was right when he said that "andor" will be added to the dictionary any year now.

      Even if it does become a word, I'll still cringe every time I read or hear it.

    6. Re:Probably an emergency measure by Google... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      How would I otherwise say that as concisely, but more correctly?

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    7. Re:Probably an emergency measure by Google... by skine · · Score: 1

      The problem is more that the usage of the word "or" has moved from being inclusive to being exclusive.

      In the logical sense, or is inclusive, meaning that as long as one of; A is correct, B is correct; holds, then A or B is correct. For example, pennies are made from copper or zinc is a true statement for all pennies whether they are pure copper (older ones) or zinc with a copper coating (newer ones).

      We differentiate exclusive "or" statements using the word "either." For example, a given penny is either copper and zinc or is pure copper. Meaning that the choice is exclusive to one of the two categories.

      Of course, to directly answer your question, it comes down to whether you want to be grammatically and logically correct, or rather desire it to be perfectly understood that you mean that your "or" statement is inclusive.

  29. Really criticism from the newspapers by redmid17 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They think they're on solid ground to criticize the marketing of a company that actually made money last year? Let me know the the newspapers entice their readership back to levels that are slightly above the number of people who'll read my post.

    1. Re:Really criticism from the newspapers by m.ducharme · · Score: 0, Troll

      How much money do you think their marketing made for them, as opposed to their monopoly?

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    2. Re:Really criticism from the newspapers by redmid17 · · Score: 1

      It got Vista 30% of the PC market, despite MS' best attempts

    3. Re:Really criticism from the newspapers by RazorSharp · · Score: 1

      I hate it when people try to justify a company's actions by saying "oh yeah, well look how much money they made!" It's not like this marketing stunt added anything to their bottom line, it just made them look silly and cost the company a lot of money. Just because a company makes a lot of money doesn't mean they spend it wisely. If Microsoft hasn't been wasting their profits then why has their stock been so stagnant for the last decade? They owe their shareholders more than this piss poor squandering of marketing dollars. It's not like this is the first time they made this mistake - Jerry Seinfeld, "I'm a PC!," and the new Windows 7 ads are all pretty pathetic. Not to mention all these classic MS blunders on YouTube everyone here is linking to. . .

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    4. Re:Really criticism from the newspapers by baka_toroi · · Score: 1

      They made money? I hate the world.

    5. Re:Really criticism from the newspapers by xkcdFan1011011101111 · · Score: 1

      mod parent up!

  30. Ratings were disabled for the video by syntap · · Score: 2, Funny

    I wonder why, they were ashamed of it as soon as they posted it.

    I actually watched the whole thing... you guys didn't, so you didn't see the older lady and the oldest lady erupt into passionate lesbian sex. The dudes pulled out weapons and began close-quarters combat. The video ended with the Mac guy emerging from stage right and saying "pwn3d".

    1. Re:Ratings were disabled for the video by Anonymusing · · Score: 2, Funny

      Now THAT would be a party!

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  31. Ugh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    &feature=player_embedded#t=148

    Ugh, is it that hard to copy the URL from the little box under the description instead of the location bar?

  32. Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If apple had have done the same thing it would be marketing genius .. imagine a party with 100s of cool people there, genius.

    Now imagine a party of 9 Windows 7 fans... NERD ALERT

    1. Re:Apple by dem0n1 · · Score: 1

      Anyone who's party throwing skills that are so uncool as to need to throw a Win 7 launch party to lure people to their house is just sad. That's the sort of thing that leads people to end up in cults for the friendship.

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  33. Speaking of Windows 1.0 by mcrbids · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Speaking of Windows 1.0....

    I have a copy! (yes, for real!)

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  34. S3x by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...quoted as saying 'If Microsoft had been put in charge of marketing sex, the human race would have ended long ago

    Blue-Balls of Death, eh?
       

    1. Re:S3x by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      You won't be laughing when the DRM on the hooker detects that the sex has not been paid for.

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    2. Re:S3x by selven · · Score: 1

      It's not just hookers, all sex must be paid for. Remember, you shouldn't illegally copy God's intellectual property!

    3. Re:S3x by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember, you shouldn't illegally copy God's intellectual property!

      Actually, smartass, it replicates itself. Don't you know? DNA wants to be free!

    4. Re:S3x by Goalie_Ca · · Score: 1

      They've held me at a prolonged state of excitement!

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  35. Time was... by Deadstick · · Score: 1

    ...that when somebody came up to you out of the blue and invited you to a party, all you had to worry about was Amway.

    rj

  36. Get over it by RebelWithoutAClue · · Score: 1

    Microsoft, you need to get over it. You're not the nerd or the cool hipster anymore, if you ever were. You're the 800 pound gorilla in the room. It's time to stop trying to be cool.

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  37. I think it's a brilliant video. by flibuste · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This thing is so vomit-inducing that everyone is talking about it and many who would not have watched the video actually did. As a case of viral marketing, I'd say it is brilliant. Few viruses can make you puke just by looking at them.

    1. Re:I think it's a brilliant video. by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      If the purpose was raising brand awareness, then they did a good job... now everyone is talking about how vomit inducing this ad is.

      If the purpose was to actually get people to put parties on, they did the opposite - they just forwarned anyone to be very careful scrutinising any party invites they get in the next few weeks just in case they end up having to experience *that*.

    2. Re:I think it's a brilliant video. by Sparton · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Few viruses can make you puke just by looking at them.

      Yeah, but hasn't Windows viruses been one of the things they're hated for?..

    3. Re:I think it's a brilliant video. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd say it is brilliant.

      It is. We are talking about the campaign. What's the last Apple campaign you remember? I cannot think of anything after those "I'm a Mac" ads from several years ago.

      The list of other big sites in TFA that commented on the ad is quite impressive. Plus TFA fondly remembers the time we made fun of other MS ads. This is definitely much better than those bland, forgettable ads you don't even want to talk about because they are so boring.

      Maybe somebody will even run one of these parties for shits and giggles now.

    4. Re:I think it's a brilliant video. by Ma8thew · · Score: 0

      By the same argument, Steve Bullmer should go on a killing spree and shoot up a mall to promote Windows 7 because "everyone would talk about it".

    5. Re:I think it's a brilliant video. by flibuste · · Score: 1

      You mean...throw chairs at people? That should work too!

  38. Disabled Comments Was A Good Call by keytoe · · Score: 1

    I expected to watch it and return here with some witty rejoinders to share. But something happened in that six minutes and fourteen seconds that not only neutered all creativity in my mind, but also seems to have caused me to be unable to think at all for the remainder of the day. Now the only thing I can say about it is:

    That was fucking terrible.

  39. wtf? by mhaskell · · Score: 1

    Is this like tupperware?

  40. what goes on after the party.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    man look at her expression at the 5:20 mark.. yeah I would love to be part of that party!!!!

  41. "This was a warning..." by Jahava · · Score: 1

    "This was a warning. Microsoft will continue to produce and air this chain of advertisements as both conventional and viral marketing campaigns until you and everyone you know has purchased Windows 7. See you at the Superbowl."

  42. Microsoft stealing a FOSS idea by EEPROMS · · Score: 1

    One of the first things that got me interested in FOSS/Linux were the install seminars and LUG's, what I am seeing here is Microsoft's cheesy take on the same concept but centralising on family etc. Were is all fails is when Jimmy the 9 year old next door uses a hacked installer he torrented of the web for Windows 7 and gives all the neighbours a free install and a spambot for life PC.

  43. I see the Windows 7 launch is off to a great start by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    Microsoft used to be one of the greatest marketing forces on the planet. What happened for them to go so far off the rails?

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  44. I can just picture it... by kuzb · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Kdawson, patiently waiting in the shadows for something just like this to come along in order to POUNCE.

    Sorry kdawson, even though I have to say Win7 parties are pretty lame, this doesn't make you cool.

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  45. Pundits Hate Tux the Linux Penguin, Too by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 2, Informative

    Hell, *I* hate Tux the Penguin. Nothing screams Dork in a College Dorm Room louder than Tux. (OK, maybe a Middle Earth poster...) But the goofy little guy endures, so he must be reaching somebody in the target audience who's not me and the pundits. Maybe this Win7 ad reaches the same key demographic.

    Of course, the preceding argument presumes that Linux has some kind of unified and organized marketing program. Which is, y'know, ridiculous...

    1. Re:Pundits Hate Tux the Linux Penguin, Too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Neither Tux nor this Windows 7 commercial come close to the shame that is the Martinettis bring home a computer infomercial that Apple made in the 90s.

    2. Re:Pundits Hate Tux the Linux Penguin, Too by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 1

      Tux sux, I agree, but I'll never forgive the *nix weenies for turning something as cool as the devil into this.

      At least the individual distros have cool logos (Red Hat, Ubuntu, SuSe for example) and the FreeBSD and NetBSD logos are pretty good. The OpenBSD logo just looks like a fat stoner holding in a bong hit.

    3. Re:Pundits Hate Tux the Linux Penguin, Too by snowraver1 · · Score: 1

      Wow, that's pretty bad. At least the production quality is better though. I wouldn't necessarily say it's worse, it's actually about equally terrible, but if you consider that it is about an hour long, it does have does have terrible in much greater quantities.

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    4. Re:Pundits Hate Tux the Linux Penguin, Too by node+3 · · Score: 1

      Neither Tux nor this Windows 7 commercial come close to the shame that is the Martinettis bring home a computer infomercial that Apple made in the 90s.

      Tux, nor the Martinettis, are high-points in product promotion, but that Windows 7 Party ad is truly horrific, somewhere around the same level of awful as the Songsmith ad.

    5. Re:Pundits Hate Tux the Linux Penguin, Too by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. Tux and Beastie are both cool. If you can't see it you've been sucking up too much Apple marketing. Not everything needs to be pompously self-important.

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    6. Re:Pundits Hate Tux the Linux Penguin, Too by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. Tux and Beastie are both cool.

      Didn't you say you are over 60 years old?

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    7. Re:Pundits Hate Tux the Linux Penguin, Too by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      "*I* hate Tux the Penguin."

      What about a drunken, foul mouthed penguin with a stubbly beard and bad eye?
      Penguin Jack promotes Linux: Feck! Arse! Drink!

    8. Re:Pundits Hate Tux the Linux Penguin, Too by FreonTrip · · Score: 1

      It's not a question of pompous self-importance - even back when Mac OS 9 was a going concern I've found both characters' visual styles to be kind of insipid and childish. They're just too cutesy for my tastes.

    9. Re:Pundits Hate Tux the Linux Penguin, Too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bingo. Nail on the head.

    10. Re:Pundits Hate Tux the Linux Penguin, Too by onefriedrice · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's pretty bad. I'm willing to give Apple a pass on that since that was then. There's no excuse for cheese like that in marketing nowadays, at least from a huge megacorp like Microsoft that can afford to hire any ad agency they want.

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    11. Re:Pundits Hate Tux the Linux Penguin, Too by agnosticnixie · · Score: 1

      To be very honest, the unnoficial DarwinOS logo is not much more awesome to people who'd think Tux and Beastie are too cutesy.

    12. Re:Pundits Hate Tux the Linux Penguin, Too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neither Tux nor this Windows 7 commercial come close to the shame that is the Martinettis bring home a computer infomercial that Apple made in the 90s.

      Tux, nor the Martinettis, are high-points in product promotion, but that Windows 7 Party ad is truly horrific, somewhere around the same level of awful as the Songsmith ad.

      No, the Songsmith ad at least had had decent camera work and lacked blatant continuity errors (the clock is just one). So purely from the perspective of filming and editing the Songsmith ad was superior than the Windows 7 video. I guess the lesson is never declare an specific ad is "The worst EVAR!", unless you enjoy being painfully proven wrong.

    13. Re:Pundits Hate Tux the Linux Penguin, Too by node+3 · · Score: 1

      Tux, nor the Martinettis, are high-points in product promotion, but that Windows 7 Party ad is truly horrific, somewhere around the same level of awful as the Songsmith ad.

      No, the Songsmith ad at least had had decent camera work and lacked blatant continuity errors (the clock is just one). So purely from the perspective of filming and editing the Songsmith ad was superior than the Windows 7 video.

      And had my objections to the ads been technical, you'd have a point. But they weren't. My objections are aesthetic.

      I guess the lesson is never declare an specific ad is "The worst EVAR!", unless you enjoy being painfully proven wrong.

      Hmm... I never declared any ad as "The worst EVAR". I suppose that explains why I haven't been painfully proven wrong? Not really sure what your point is here.

  46. However by dagamer34 · · Score: 1

    Any press when you have a good product is still good press. In the end, people are going to remember Windows 7 and not the ad.

    1. Re:However by m.ducharme · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't buy that. If your press tarnishes your brand, it's not good press. If people start laughing at your product, because of your shitty ads, that's not good for your product. It's not enough to get your name out there (who hasn't heard of Microsoft, or Windows?) you have to add some sparkle to your brand or you're wasting your money. Microsoft has gotten very bad at this lately.

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    2. Re:However by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      You hear marketing people say that, but I have yet to be convinced.

      Apple mentions Windows or "PC" in every one one of their computer ads. Is that free advertising for Microsoft?

    3. Re:However by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>Apple mentions Windows or "PC" in every one one of their computer ads. Is that free advertising for Microsoft?

      Yep.

  47. ugg by Dyinobal · · Score: 1

    I actually felt sorry for the actors. I couldn't imagine faking interest in that, for any amount of cash.

  48. Steve Ballmer happened by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject

  49. Anybody notice the clock on the stove by MisterFuRR · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wow...it took them over 3hrs to film that short 6 minute PSA. Not only was it horrible, but the actors involved didn't even believe what they were pitching.

    1. Re:Anybody notice the clock on the stove by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 1

      it took them over 3hrs to film that short 6 minute PSA.

      You are apparently unaware that PSA is an abbreviation for "Public Service Announcement." I don't know about anyone else but I'd hardly call that ad a public service. More like a public menace.

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    2. Re:Anybody notice the clock on the stove by deadboy2000 · · Score: 1

      I think you misspelled POS . . .

    3. Re:Anybody notice the clock on the stove by AlastairLynn · · Score: 1

      3 hours for a 6 minute bit of video is not at all unusual.

  50. What the F? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You took six minutes of my life, Microsoft, and I want them back!
    On second thought, I think I've wasted more time on their products, though.. But that still doesn't get them off the hook.. That inane blappering was worse than ad-libbed, german ads!

  51. The Kitchen Appliances Are Running Windows 7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When shooting video, don't do it in front of a live clock, or at least edit the damn thing.

    And what's with the pile of lemons?

    1. Re:The Kitchen Appliances Are Running Windows 7 by Jahava · · Score: 1

      And what's with the pile of lemons?

      The lemons are clearly metaphors for other Windows 7 systems. Don't ask about the baguette.

    2. Re:The Kitchen Appliances Are Running Windows 7 by pintpusher · · Score: 1

      And what's with the pile of lemons?

      for the cocktails required to survive that drivel.

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    3. Re:The Kitchen Appliances Are Running Windows 7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why, it's for the "lemon party," of course ;-)

  52. Ugh by chucklebutte · · Score: 1

    I signed up for that party, and after 3 times the date being pushed back of when I would know if I won or not... I lost... Too bad M$ cause I just jumped over to permanant Mint Linux. I would have used 7 (I ran RTM and was amazing) but I didnt win that party.

  53. The medical establishment don't know IT by uassholes · · Score: 1
    Unfortunately some life or death devices do actually run windows.

    Others expressed thanks that Microsoft isn't responsible for anything that actually involves life and death.

  54. Ah Microsoft. by tthomas48 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They really should have let the product market itself. Because for once they have a halfway decent product. Remember when they said Vista was as good as OSX? And then we used Vista and perhaps we should have treated their marketing campaign like a child with mental deficiencies? Like it's not polite to laugh at them, because they are trying...

    But Windows 7 is actually the product Vista was supposed to be. But they're trying to sell it as something new. The only way that Microsoft could market this is, "Yeah, Windows Vista sucks ass. The UI didn't make sense, and it was often slow for no apparent reason. We'll acknowledge that now that we have a replacement. We know that almost every computer shipped with Vista has been converted to Windows XP. Here's the produce that fixes all those problems."

    The only way to regain consumer trust is to admit your faults. Or just say nothing and let consumers do your advertising for you. I can already see the tweets - "Windows 7 not a steaming pile of dogshit!". That's the kind of grassroots movement that sells software.

    1. Re:Ah Microsoft. by registrar · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Not even. Essentially what they are doing is kickstarting a quality viral campaign. Snigger all you want at the ad, that's what they want you do do. They produce ads that are so embarrassing that the message is really clear: "oh, did you see the lame ad, these guys should stick to doing what they do best, which is programming. Win 7 is actually quite good you know."

      The implied contrast is: "Apple is all about good marketing."

      Let's face it: we geeks all do the same thing. When you show up with your dirty beard, beer gut, suspenders, blackened coffee mug, you are telling the world "everyone values my competence so much that I don't need to sell myself via superficial means."

      Same with Zunes and squirting and all that.

    2. Re:Ah Microsoft. by dangitman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Essentially what they are doing is kickstarting a quality viral campaign. Snigger all you want at the ad, that's what they want you do do.

      Utter bullshit. That was not the intention with this. It was meant earnestly.

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    3. Re:Ah Microsoft. by raju1kabir · · Score: 1

      Let's face it: we geeks all do the same thing. When you show up with your dirty beard, beer gut, suspenders, blackened coffee mug, you are telling the world "everyone values my competence so much that I don't need to sell myself via superficial means."

      It's true. Until I bought that strap-on beer gut, I couldn't get hired to save my life. Now I'm drowning in job offers.

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    4. Re:Ah Microsoft. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But Windows 7 is actually the product Vista was supposed to be.

      Why do people keep saying this? If it were the case then it would feature WinFS and win32 would have been completely replaced with .net.

      The "Longhorn That Never Was" is what Vista was supposed to be. Windows 7 is a repaired and updated version of a fucked-up version of XP that was forced out the door after Longhorn fell over in a burning heap.

      I'm not saying that Windows 7 is bad, I'm just saying that it is definitely not what Vista was supposed to be.

    5. Re:Ah Microsoft. by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      When you show up with your dirty beard, ... Same with Zunes and squirting and all that.

      As long as the "dirt" on your beard wasn't from last night's flirt squirting on it...

    6. Re:Ah Microsoft. by SnarfQuest · · Score: 1

      Here's the produce that fixes all those problems."

      Just shove these carrots into the DVD drive, and plug this lettuce into the USB port, and your problems will go away.

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    7. Re:Ah Microsoft. by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      They produce ads that are so embarrassing that the message is really clear: "oh, did you see the lame ad, these guys should stick to doing what they do best, which is programming. Win 7 is actually quite good you know."

      No, the message they're sending is "not only does our software blow dead goats, we can't hide it with fancy marketing".

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    8. Re:Ah Microsoft. by Masterofpsi · · Score: 1

      Why is Richard Stallman suddenly the Platonic Form of a programmer?

    9. Re:Ah Microsoft. by ZoomJer · · Score: 1

      But they don't make great anything. Apple has great products and ads, M$ has neither.

    10. Re:Ah Microsoft. by registrar · · Score: 1

      Sorry dude, that's a bit too fanboi. I love my macs (use windows and office as little as possible). It is an indisputable fact that MS has recently started to make some products that are adequate for many purposes and great for some.

      Oh, and Apple makes some very crappy products too... I'm also an iPhone owner, and I'm quite disappointed by it.

  55. Some Creative Editing Makes Them Much Better by BabyDuckHat · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Some Creative Editing Makes Them Much Better by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      That's not creative editing, it's putting a stupid beep in the sound track. Oh, and I think they cut it down a bit so it was slightly less painful.

      When you said creative editing I was hoping for something someone spent more than five minutes on.

  56. Microsoft's "Apple Killer" Strategy by kylben · · Score: 1

    Are these couples in this video? If so, maybe it's a clue that they're going straight after Apple on the next release, and naming the OS "Cougar".

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  57. Riff Trax by shellster_dude · · Score: 1

    I am so going to do a riff trax on this movie, it would be freaking hilarious.

  58. Someone break that camera's ZOOM function by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Either that, or break the finger the cameraman uses to operate it. That would be eminently more satisfying, come to think of it.

    Seriously, what on earth is with that ridiculous shakey / constantly zooming camera? It seems like every "edgy" marketing video out there uses this "technique" constantly, along with rotating the camera to get "edgy" points of view.

    Enough already! I find it unwatchable. Our eyes don't work that way, so why would you force us to watch something that zooms spasmodically? It's not edgy or cool, it's annoying.

    Yeah yeah I get it, the zooming in / out is supposed to be a subconscious queue to concentrate / relax on what is being said at that particular moment. Good job captain psychology, now go back to learning how to operate a camera correctly instead of being a useless marketing chump.

    If you're going to abuse the zoom feature, at least make it funny by zooming up on her rack every 2 seconds. That would be pretty funny actually.

  59. WORST. ADVERTISEMENT. EVER. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey MS send some of that ad $ my way I could make a better commercial in powerpoint in about a minute and a half. (make that ten minutes if I have to boot up)

  60. How Apple Would Have Frosted This Dog Turd by Crash+Culligan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If apple had have done the same thing it would be marketing genius ..

    No, if Apple had done this, it would still have sucked. It would take more than "genius" to make this pitch work, it would take "omnipotence." In fact, if the marketers at Apple really are geniuses, I would expect them never ever to try a campaign as hokey as this.

    If anything, Apple sells only the style and solidity of the hardware and the utility of the software, and downplays the operating system because it exists only as a facilitator to the other things you want to do with the computer. It really is a case where you want to sell the sizzle instead of the steak, because the steak is boring.

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  61. Microsoft's answer to the "Bedazzler"? by sehlat · · Score: 1

    After all, it does seem reasonable that Microsoft would want to outdo an open source vomit-producing project.

  62. Inversely proprional suckage by w0mprat · · Score: 1

    Have you noticed that Windows 7, is really really good, and infact is the the first time a Windows release has ever been anything resembling 'good'. In contrast, this marketing is the worst ever since that rap video for Windows 386.

    Obviously the quality of the product at Microsoft is inversely proportional to the quality of the marketing.

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    1. Re:Inversely proprional suckage by spitzak · · Score: 1

      Obviously the quality of the product at Microsoft is inversely proportional to the quality of the marketing.

      Hardly. Windows 95 had the start-it-up campaign and it is also easily the biggest improvement they ever did to the system.

  63. Fire. Your. Ad. Agency. by popo · · Score: 1

    ... IMMEDIATELY.

    It takes a special kind of clueless to produce something this utterly out of touch.

    Just plain Wow.

    (And to you "creative" directors who put this "thing" together? You seriously should never work in advertising again. You are devoid of all necessary skills).

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    1. Re:Fire. Your. Ad. Agency. by BluBrick · · Score: 1

      Don't forget that this idea was proposed to and accepted by some marketing team within MS. To those guys I say a heartfelt What.Were.You.Thinking?!!

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  64. Nice Sony ad.... by Rene+S.+Hollan · · Score: 1

    ... but why'd they have to ruin it with all that Microsoft stuff?

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    1. Re:Nice Sony ad.... by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      yeah my thought too.

      I watched it without sound (no audio here at work) and I couldn't 'see' Microsoft anywhere.

      All I could see in the way of branding was the Sony Vaio laptop.

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  65. Fools by Greyfox · · Score: 5, Funny
    They're in need of some serious help here. Ok Microsoft, I feel so bad for your social ineptitude that this one's for free.

    Windows 7 themed jello shots, strippers and potato cannons.

    You can thank me later.

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    1. Re:Fools by parachutepenguin · · Score: 1

      They're in need of some serious help here. Ok Microsoft, I feel so bad for your social ineptitude that this one's for free.

      Windows 7 themed jello shots, strippers and potato cannons.

      ...strippers with Windows 7 themed jubblies. So hideous...but I cannot look away :)

    2. Re:Fools by gbarules2999 · · Score: 1

      In fact, forget the jello shots and potato cannons.

  66. Get the stones again by Twillerror · · Score: 2, Funny

    The start me up campaign was pretty good if I remember.

    Get AC/DC or something. Something Thunderstruck or Back in Black.

    Then go hire a music video guy to do some funky video where everyone's face turns into a window.

    Why is this so hard?

    1. Re:Get the stones again by martinX · · Score: 1

      Nope. Nothing could demonstrate the difference between Apple and Microsoft more clearly than music. Steve Jobs has final say on what music is going to be used in the campaigns and he always manages to pick a new band on the upswing, or at the very least pick a song that no-one has heard of, but is instantly loved. Bill Gates okayed the Strolling Bones' 1981 song to release his 1995 software in what can only be described as a desperate attempt to look cool.

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    2. Re:Get the stones again by ildon · · Score: 1

      MS's target market would not be able to identify with or recognize a "new band on the upswing". Picking a song from 1981 that the majority of their target demographic (35+ males, the ones who make purchasing decisions for their company's IT department) could immediately identify with or recognize was a good choice for Windows 95, not a bad one.

    3. Re:Get the stones again by baka_toroi · · Score: 1

      Bill Plimpton's ads for Windows 95 were awesome! Why can't they make something like that?

    4. Re:Get the stones again by martinX · · Score: 1

      I thought the target demographic for '95 was current 3.1 users at home and NT was the operating system designed for companies, and hence its advertising was targeted towards 35+ males. Then again maybe Start Me Up didn't work for me because I think Jagger is a dick.

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    5. Re:Get the stones again by SnarfQuest · · Score: 1

      Maybe, because no musician wants to be tied to this train wreck?

      They might be able to get Bill Clinton to play his with his sax...

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    6. Re:Get the stones again by AmonTheMetalhead · · Score: 1

      For the love of all that is good in this world, keep Microsoft away from AC/DC! I don't want them to turn them into the next Jonas Brothers... (I can hear it already... the Young Brothers... *shudders*)

  67. I think I just saw Microsoft implode by popo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... if the creative decision-making behind the actual software is as utterly lost and out-of-touch as this video ...

    well... start the countdown: implosion in 10,9,8,7...

    this is easily the worst promotion I have ever seen. Microsoft, please for the love of god fire your ad agency. There is 'incompetent', and then there's this extra-special, groundbreaking new plateau of retarded-ness.

    I didn't think it was possible to kill Windows 7 with a single video -- BUT IT JUST HAPPENED.

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  68. free win7 license by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

    I wonder how many of these parties will even happen. Heck, Im signed up but only for the free win7 license. Dont tell Bill.

  69. but... it's perfect by speedtux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The video is perfect. The video correctly represent Windows 7 and its design philosophy. And it evokes the same feelings in me that using Windows does.

    Congratulations!

    1. Re:but... it's perfect by HigH5 · · Score: 1

      The video is perfect. The video correctly represent Windows 7 and its design philosophy. And it evokes the same feelings in me that using Windows does.

      Congratulations!

      It also implicitly implies: "No matter how our products are nauseating to you, you'll still have to buy it. BWAHAHAHAHHA!!!!"

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  70. Obligatory XKCD by Smartcowboy · · Score: 5, Funny
    1. Re:Obligatory XKCD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      what about 528?

  71. Dragon Strike, or how to play your game by Glabrezu · · Score: 1

    An instant classic! It kind of reminds me of Dragon Strike, without the skeletons of course.

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  72. Yeah, and? by NoYob · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah, and? We were all talking about Vista too and that affected sales, how again?

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  73. Exactly what they wanted. by Fusione · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's so terrible, I feel compelled to send it to everyone I know so they can see its glory. Well played, Microsoft.. Well played. -_-

  74. Someone needs to do a Linux party video.... by NoYob · · Score: 2, Funny

    Have strippers, a keg, taking sledgehammers to Windows machines, you get the idea.

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    1. Re:Someone needs to do a Linux party video.... by baka_toroi · · Score: 1

      Everything payed with the money they saved by not buying Windows.

  75. Microsoft mock us by HalfFlat · · Score: 1

    It just shows that Microsoft know they've won.

    You walk into a store and buy a computer. It comes with Windows pre-installed.
    You get a document sent to you by a cow orker. It's in Word format.
    New PC game? Designed for and runs only on Windows.
    The vast majority of computer users now believe computers need to be rebooted regularly, that getting a virus is an accident of nature, and that botnets are an unavoidable consequence of the Internet.

    They can produce marketing like this, because frankly, they can. They don't care. In fact, they probably revel in it.

    1. Re:Microsoft mock us by Full+Metal+Jackass · · Score: 1

      You get a document sent to you by a cow orker. It's in Word format.

      Well, what do you expect from someone who orks cows?

  76. I hope Ballmer has more ideas like this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will they photoshop out the black guy for the german parties?

    1. Re:I hope Ballmer has more ideas like this. by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      Funny, but too obscure for all but the most devoted Slashdotters.

  77. I was literally more nauseated by this than... by motherpusbucket · · Score: 2, Insightful

    watching 'two girls, one cup'. At least that one held my interest as well as repulsing me.

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  78. So sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of the largest and wealthiest companies in the world and this is what they came up with for advertising? Come on Microsoft, at least let your advertising look like it came from a monopolistic company. Wait! Maybe that's why its so crappy.

  79. Must have been fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the guys who managed to convince Microsoft to make this video, still must be dying of laughter. I really think that Apple must have planted them to prove that it's time for St. Ballmer to go...

  80. Re:Clock! by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's the new episode from Brannon Braga!

    http://www.hulu.com/watch/97929/flashforward-no-more-good-days

    "For 2 minutes and seventeen seconds, we all blacked out..."
    "We didn't black out sir, we were ... in the future!"
    "What did you see?"
    "It was too horrible to talk about."
    "Come on honey... What was it?"
    "I was STILL at the release party!"

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  81. Wathcing the clock is fun by deweller · · Score: 1

    I particularly enjoyed watching the clock on the stove. Lady 1 says something while the clock says 3:41 beside her. While she is still talking, the video cuts to a reaction shot of lady #2 where the clock says 4:07. There were many breaks in time like this that the clock gives away. I'm not a video professional but that sure seems like something any qualified director would notice while shooting.

  82. "back to the pile" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At some point surely the marketing guys should have realised that it was time to go back to the pile!

  83. just one question by the_other_one · · Score: 1

    For my windows 7 launch party, how big a rocket motor do I need to launch a Windows 7 netbook,laptop, or desktop. IANARS

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  84. Compare this to.. by jnnnnn · · Score: 1

    that "Truth Happens" video promoting Linux.

  85. Continuity needs work by waferbuster · · Score: 1

    Geekboy on the left needs to stop backwashing into his iced tea. The level in his glass keeps jumping up and down randomly.

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  86. Time to shoot by ubungy · · Score: 1

    What's interesting is watching the clock on the stove count about an hour total to film this 6 minutes. Yet everything they say just has that nonstop cheesy flow. Multiple takes or they actually managed to cut out the 'cheesier' parts and still leave us with this? One thing this does is open to plenty of parody, which is still much desired attention. Imagine the mock launch parties... windows 7 porn party, windows 7 BSOD party, windows 7 installation sleepover.

  87. Audience: paid astrotufers or unpaid fanboys? by swb · · Score: 1

    I don't quite get it. Is the video some kind of training tool for people hired to actually host parties -- some weak, fake form of guerrilla marketing?

    Or is *anybody* encouraged to host a Win 7 party and this video is part of that promotion?

    Either way the video was so fucking phony I couldn't help but cringe; I'd cringe worse if it was to encourage people to have parties, but then again I cringe at the thought of being desperate enough to get paid to host parties for computer software.

    And who are those 4 people, anyway? They're such a ridiculously deliberate mix of 'types' and you'd never see them together in real life. Sorry, but none of the 'senior' women I know give a shit about computers and they don't socialize with black men, either (this is meant to reflect how people really live, not to make any claims of rightness or wrongness). Cunty professional women pay someone else to use the computer. The dork lives in his mom's basement and wouldn't be in that kitchen at all unless it was his mom's.

  88. The problem with running a Windows 7 party... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem with running a Windows 7 party is finding a clever way of hiding the DJ's MacBook & iPod.

  89. enable time service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in the beginning of the 6min video the clock is at 4:01 but at the end it is at 4:51. microsoft can't even do time correctly.

  90. Poor actors by madfancier · · Score: 1

    At first I was thinking "It takes the kind of money only Microsoft has to create some of the best ads in the world"... Then I hit me "It takes the kind of money only Microsoft has to make the poor actors participate in Microsoft ads." It's gotta be a payment big enough for a lifetime of no acting contracts.

  91. Must be in suburban Midwest by expressovi · · Score: 1

    They at least got the token black guy (TM) in the party. Coming from experience, this guy is waiting to deflect the first rap question sent his way. --

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  92. The MUCH BETTER Version by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 1

    Someone took the video and censored it. Just watch it and skip TFA.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyas7BrbUFY

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  93. Mission Accomplished by brauercl · · Score: 0

    I think they might have managed one thing with this video, they got us all talking about it, and I am definitely going to make fun of it with my friends, and some of them will probably think about windows 7 upgrade because of it.

    1. Re:Mission Accomplished by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hahahahahahahahahahahahaha lollmaorofl I TOTALLY AGREE I WILL BE TROLLING PPL ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME FOR THE NEXT 4 MONTHS! SOOOO MUCH FUN OF MAKING I WILL DO

  94. "cult", eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    remind you of a certain fan base, mr. penquin?

  95. MS on the right tracks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If this is the reaction MS gets from the computer literate people, then they are one the right tracks.
    Let me elaborate:

    MS doesn't try or need to appeal to the gamer crowd nor the computer savy crowd because they are already committed to either MS or a different system. Which chunk of the population is left: People who don't really use computer for hardcore gaming or work. Perhaps MS doesn't know how to get to them, but they certainly know that whatever works for the geeks doesn't for the rest of the population. Thus the litmus test becomes: how hostile will the geeky and nerdy crowd will be on seeing the ads? So far, it seems to work very well.

  96. what.. by onefriedrice · · Score: 1

    Why does Microsoft have to push for Windows launch parties? If it was something people were that excited about, wouldn't parties spontaneously happen?

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  97. my outlook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    soap opera grade software

    Stoner weed

  98. lol by D-R0C · · Score: 2, Funny

    Here is an improved version of the commercial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Imd1_39pLAM

    1. Re:lol by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 2, Informative

      Dude... thanks for linking at last to a version that's actually funny rather than that lame 'if we bleep it out it sounds like she said fuck' version.

  99. I agree by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

    Microsoft has always been poor at Marketing.

    1. Re:I agree by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      Really? When your boss insists on a Windows solution because he's read some article that said it's 'better' even though the task at hand could be better done another way - that's marketing. And microsoft are damned good at it.

      It's possible that this is some kind of double bluff.. they've basically killed the party concept stone dead (who would want to be associated with *that*) but it's just possible this was the plan all along.

    2. Re:I agree by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      "When your boss insists on a Windows solution because he's read some article that said it's 'better' even though the task at hand could be better done another way - that's marketing."

      If the article was a MS advertisement, yes that would be marketing and he should be smart enough to take the claims with a grain of salt. If it wasn't then it was just somebody's opinion that you happen to disagree with.

  100. Pointless by not-my-real-name · · Score: 1

    I watched the video without any noticeable nausea. The videography seemed rather amateurish with jerky pans and pointless zooming in and out.

    The thing is, who (other than the company itself) has a launch party for a product? I haven't even heard of rabid Mac users having launch parties for new versions of OS X.

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    1. Re:Pointless by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      The videography seemed rather amateurish with jerky pans and pointless zooming in and out

      I didn't watch it (thank God), but it sounds like some of the shows I've seen on the History Channel. I thought it was just me, that I'm getting old. Glad some younger folks agree with me.

  101. LaunchParties is legion. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just to clarify: it's not one video. It's many. At your own risk, observe: http://www.youtube.com/user/LaunchParties#play/uploads

    Indeed, there are more demographically varied parties to be found, and while you can cut the "upcoming intergenerational orgy" tension with a knife, MSFT apparently wishes to withhold the payoff for a later installment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBUICo6PJpo

  102. Irony by Zobeid · · Score: 1

    Some of us remember the widespread mania for Win95 when it came out, and how people tut-tutted over poor "beleaguered Apple" who made a good computer but were just clueless when it came to marketing. (Apple? Are they still in business? Not for much longer, I'm sure. . .)

  103. Re:I see the Windows 7 launch is off to a great st by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

    Microsoft has always had bad marketing.

    The whole "Microsoft is a marketing company" concept was just another attempt to explain why they're successful without admitting they produced anything of value.

  104. Guys, this is called viral marketing. by blhack · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's viral marketing. They know that nobody is going to have one of these idiotic "launch parties".

    They've intentionally made the worst ad they could (while still making it somehow realistic enough for people to buy it) in order to get people to talk about windows 7.

    I did not know when the launch-date for this was. This ad has been posted on all of the major tech-news blogs. Now I do. Mission accomplished.

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    1. Re:Guys, this is called viral marketing. by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      > I did not know when the launch-date for this was.

      I still don't.

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    2. Re:Guys, this is called viral marketing. by jvkjvk · · Score: 1

      They've intentionally made the worst ad they could (while still making it somehow realistic enough for people to buy it) in order to get people to talk about windows 7.

      Oh, right. Like how Pepsi aired the ad about "brown and bubbly" at the super bowl. I went, WTF?? I'm supposed to drink what?!?

      This is on topic, because it seems like both companies are talking about the same thing...

    3. Re:Guys, this is called viral marketing. by SnarfQuest · · Score: 1

      If I go to one of these parties, do I get to throw toast and shoot a water gun? That's all that made that one movie tolerable. Or is this more like that "Plan 9" thing? So bad it's funny. Or will it be like those that start with the pool cleaner knocking on the front door...
      Please, not like one of those foreign chick flicks that you go to, hoping for something (anything) to happen after the movie is finally over.

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    4. Re:Guys, this is called viral marketing. by Bryan3000000 · · Score: 1

      But I didn't think viral marketing could GIVE you the stomach flu.

    5. Re:Guys, this is called viral marketing. by ThumpSlice · · Score: 1

      Sorry to burst your bubble, but I received a Win7 Launch Party invitation last week. You're still correct, though. I'm not going. ;)

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  105. Anyone else see the low production value? by inject_hotmail.com · · Score: 1

    Yeah...boom mic in the frame, clock in the background (on the stove) skipping huge gaps of time....essentially 1 hour over the 6 minutes.

    Btw...I own the exact same microwave that's in the background...it's annoying as hell...anybody want it?

    1. Re:Anyone else see the low production value? by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      Surely you don't believe that those things are accidental? (Well, except perhaps the microwave.)

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    2. Re:Anyone else see the low production value? by martinX · · Score: 1

      I do. I really do. I think the manic panning and the obsessive zooming and the nausea-inducing cuts are all meant to contribute to the desired look and feel, regardless of how bad it is, but I think the microwave clock time and boom mic appearance (didn't see it myslf and I am NOT going to keep watching it until I see it) are accidental.

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  106. Charlie Brooker is awesome by stu9000 · · Score: 1

    Hi comments are much better then even the video.

  107. Not everything is about Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >I think its more Microsoft attempting to be similar to Apple.

    HOW? Does Apple have these release parties?

    Seems to me that Microsoft is copying the Bubuntus habit of having release parties
      and instead of relying on users/developers/LOCO/community, they decided to do it themselves.
    Nothing like a corporate inspired/mandated grassroots movement.

    Seeriously, how are these release parties copying Apple?

    Can you even type something without apple coming out somwhere?

    Is that possiblapple?

  108. Ad requirements by MaGGuN · · Score: 1

    It seems like management handed the task of putting together the marketing video to a bunch of engineers. Luckily they were also given a set of requirements, this is all an engineer needs!

    This is how I imagine the checklist:

    • A housewife - CHECK
    • Kinda geeky male with glasses - CHECK
    • A grandmother! - CHECK
    • A member from a minority group, preferably black - CHECK
    • Pleasant conversation, insert laughs at discretion - CHECK
    • Every party has it.. BALLONS!! - CHECK
    • "Awesome" hand gesture at the end - CHECK

    Note: If there happens to be a clock in the background, don't bother with it, no one cares and it saves us money.

  109. Agreed, they should focus on the tiny minded. by earls · · Score: 1
  110. Oh dear. by Minwee · · Score: 1

    When will they learn that the zoom control is only for big kids to use?

  111. Polish version? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So... For the version sent to Poland, did they edit in a smiling white guy to replace the black dude?

  112. Re:I see the Windows 7 launch is off to a great st by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    I have to disagree. The marketing for Windows 95 was masterful. The marketing of Windows XP was at least adequate. Now we have incomprehensible ads featuring Gates and Seinfeld, and cringe-worthy Windows 7 Party promotions. Is the company so sure of their position that they no longer think their campaigns need to be vetted?

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  113. They should bring Kylie back. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They should bring Kylie back. She was cute, everybody liked her, and was effective (I'm 4 1/2 and I'm a PC) going against the "I'm a PC and I'm a Mac" campaign from Apple.

  114. The reason for these parties by magamiako1 · · Score: 0, Troll

    There is a reason for these parties:

    -It costs less money.

    Think of the XP launch event and how much that ran Microsoft. Now think of how much these will cost them. Nothing. Aside from that, only the "party host" is getting a free copy of Windows 7, not any of the attendees.

    Reason why journalists hate it?

    -Because they like to feel special and have special events with a reason to call out of work and to get free software.

    There you go.

  115. First up against the wall.... by pr0f3550r · · Score: 1

    By shear coincidence, my internet connection passed through a worm hole this morning and in the future, Slashdot reports that the same people responsible for this video will, in fact, be the first ones up against the wall when the revolution comes.

  116. Dear MS by Nazlfrag · · Score: 1

    Look, I know you guys are proud of your version of the Office, and really your homage to it is very good, but you're sort of doing it wrong. It's meant to be a form of self-deprecating humour called satire. Don't let the lack of a laughter soundtrack fool you, it's really truly not meant to be taken seriously.

    That said, fantastic work on the awkward, stilted dialouge, shaky camera and the deadpan acting. There's potential there for a decent campaign if you stopped taking yourself so seriously and injected an inkling of humanity into the performance.

  117. Turd-massaging by Gogogoch · · Score: 1

    Well this gives me the idea to host a turd-massaging party - probably a lot more fun.

  118. Cringe? Come on, they're hilarious! by jcr · · Score: 1

    Those ads are the best sketch comedy Microsoft's ever paid for. I can just imagine the agents talking to these actors about this gig: "Ok, you're up for that microsoft gig. Can you nod?"

    -jcr

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  119. Their acting is so natural by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's fun watching the digital clock in the background jump about and hour and 45 minutes for this 6 minute video (3:29-5:13).

    I love that the clock goes back in time during the white guy's "zinger". It's like we're watch an expose on "Rock Bottom"

  120. Being too nice again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway...

    There you go again, being excessively positive about Microsoft.

    Windows Vista was deliberately released even though executives knew it wasn't finished, because Microsoft sells to people who lack technical knowledge.

    Now everyone will pay again to get a small update to Windows Vista, called by an entirely new name.

    Microsoft ads are bad because only the most clueless, unfriendly people are still working there.

    1. Re:Being too nice again? by djnforce9 · · Score: 1

      "Now everyone will pay again to get a small update to Windows Vista, called by an entirely new name. "

      I wouldn't call it "THAT" small of an update though. For the first time, bundled applications like MS paint, Wordpad, and even Minesweeper have finally received a user interface makeover (Ribbons) so that they no longer look the same as they did Windows 95 (I've used every Windows OS since 95 so I remember very well how similar they were give or take some new features). The same can be said about the overall GUI including the new taskbar and peak features (although I never liked it personally and installed a shell replacement (Aston2) anyway).

      The backend is supposedly quite refined too and driver support is several times better. All onboard hardware just "worked" for me without having to manually install drivers (this was not the case in XP and Vista). I guess in light of all that, people tend to say that Windows 7 is what Vista should have been from the start. On the other hand, Windows 7 probably wouldn't have been smooth either had a seven year old OS (that is XP) been its predecessor. I think that was a huge factor when Vista was introduced. Not nearly as bad when going from Vista to 7.

      On a separate thought, I don't see the point in these "launch parties" except for users to maybe snag a free copy of Windows 7 by hosting one. Basically you don't see Apple asking people to run parties for "Snow Leopard" nor the open source community having a celebration to mark a major "Ubuntu" release. I guess after Vista's disaster, Microsoft is trying to do what it can to redeem its reputation. However, there are still many businesses and homes that have XP and most likely the transition to even Windows 7 may not be so smooth (when it comes time to do it). If you have new hardware though, then there is nothing to worry about naturally.

    2. Re:Being too nice again? by Uzuri · · Score: 1

      Wait... Minesweeper got a ribbon?

      What the hell did they put on it? O.o

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  121. It can't be real! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Couldn't have said it better myself. I love the token nerd, attractive woman, old-but-hip person, and black guy.

    This can't be the real ad! If it were, they'd have photoshopped the black guy out, first...

  122. Unicorns... by HockeyPuck · · Score: 1

    I blame the customers. Awful people. Awful. Stop showing me your iPhone. Stop stroking your Macbook. Stop telling me to get one.

    Seriously, stop it. I don't care if Mac stuff is better. I don't care if Mac stuff is cool. I don't care if every Mac product comes equipped a magic button on the side that causes it to piddle gold coins and resurrect the dead and make holographic unicorns dance inside your head. I'm not buying one, so shut up and go home. Go back to your house. I know, you've got an iHouse. The walls are brushed aluminum. There's a glowing Apple logo on the roof. And you love it there. You absolute MONSTER.

    Priceless...

  123. MS has No Motivation to... by emaname · · Score: 1

    MS doesn't really have any motivation to do clever or creative marketing. They already dominate the market. So my guess is they take the first semi-reasonable attempt at an ad and run with it. That way they don't spend too much time or money while trying to do advertising.

    But I completely agree that the video is incredibly unpleasant and the concept of a Windows 7 release party with your friends is remarkably lame.

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  124. Hurt watching that by tomscott · · Score: 1

    after the first 30 seconds I wanted to turn it off but tortured myself with the full 6:14 because I just couldn't believe how idiotic it was! Whatever marketing firm is behind this fiasco better start closing shop.

  125. Busted by roomate by Boawk · · Score: 1

    I was watching it when my computer geek friend came in the room. Man, that was more embarrasing than the time my Mom walked in on me watching porn with my pants around my ankles.

  126. Jennifer Government by n3r0.m4dski11z · · Score: 1

    lol! John Nike, is that you?

    You clearly don't work for nike in an alternate timeline!

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  127. NOT viral marketing. by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

    Viral Marketing is not manufactured. This is nothing more than Astroturfing; manufactured grass roots.

    The people are PLASTIC and STIFF. You can tell with one look that it kind of looks real, but isn't. And if you played on astroturf, you'll know it isn't nearly as fun as real grass.

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    1. Re:NOT viral marketing. by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      On the contrary viral marketing is almost completely manufactured.

      The best stuff is designed to look 'accidental' or 'cool', but it's all designed to make us go 'hey look at this ' and post it all over the place.

    2. Re:NOT viral marketing. by martinX · · Score: 1

      Viral marketing isn't actually supposed to make you sick.

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    3. Re:NOT viral marketing. by orngjce223 · · Score: 1

      Then the stomach flu has horrible marketing strategies - and look, it's being successful!

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  128. They missed a demographic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I think the two caucasian women are a missed opportunity. Surely one of them could have been asian or hispanic, no?

  129. Beautiful...Just beautiful... by DJRumpy · · Score: 1

    I pissed a little I was laughing so hard.

    From TFA:
    "To assist the party-hosting massive, they've also uploaded a series of spectacularly cringeworthy videos to YouTube, in which the four most desperate actors in the world stand around in a kitchen sharing tips on how best to indoctrinate guests in the wonder of Windows. If they were staring straight down the lens reading hints off a card it might be acceptable; instead they have been instructed to pretend to be friends. The result is the most nauseating display of artificial camaraderie since the horrific Doritos "Friendchips" TV campaign (which caused 50,000 people to kill themselves in 2003, or should have done)."

    I like this guy and "I'm A Mac"...

    1. Re:Beautiful...Just beautiful... by GingaNutz · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Posting to undo accidental moderation.

    2. Re:Beautiful...Just beautiful... by Creepy · · Score: 1

      Yeah - I'm waiting for the Apple retaliatory commercial joking about it - probably PC with a party hat on saying he's throwing a Windows 7 release party and the mac guy asking where all his friends are...

    3. Re:Beautiful...Just beautiful... by DJRumpy · · Score: 1

      I was actually imagining the PC guy cloning himself and dressing up in each of the cliche 'drag' roles for the party.

      I think I just threw up a little...excuse me...

  130. "war" on drugs solved! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They should ask the microsoft marketing department to make a video to show people how cool taking drug is!

    after viewing it not a teenager will want to try

  131. Droll article by lee1 · · Score: 1

    Highly recommend the Guardian article linked in the summary: "Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." Most entertaining.

  132. 2 things would get me to attend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are two things that would get me to attend:

    1. Microsoft supplied hookers, and I'm not talking I'm not talking about the kind the Republicans hire: male or skanks. I want the hotness the the democrats get, no not the fucking interns, I mean the hot $1000+ an hour models and actresses. And please, 18-20 years olds only.
    2. Scotch, it has to be single-malt, and and better be at least 25 years old, budged at least $350/bottle. That failing that at least supply me with Remy Martin Louis XIII. My needs are modest, its not like I'm asking for Remy Black Pearl or anything.

    And I know Ballmer and Slick Willie both have the kind of cash on hand to throw parties like that.

  133. The most boring episode by OnePumpChump · · Score: 1

    This is the worst episode of Battlestar Galactica ever.

    1. Re:The most boring episode by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the worst episode of Battlestar Galactica ever.

      I think its still better than the last hour of the re-imagining finale.

  134. I'll never... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...get that time back. Pointless.

  135. My kingdom for a mod point by daemonc · · Score: 1

    There aren't enough mod points in the world for you, sir.

    I laughed till I cried. Be sure to watch the surprise ending.

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    1. Re:My kingdom for a mod point by WiiVault · · Score: 1

      Seriously great. And created by a noted Mac dev to bootl. Delicious.

  136. It's like watching a train crash... by 11_biznatch_11 · · Score: 1

    ...in slow motion, and I can't look away, and I'm wishing I was on the train.

  137. They Paid Money for This? by salesgeek · · Score: 1

    Wow. That is possible the worst commercial in the history of advertising.

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    1. Re:They Paid Money for This? by Mr+Z · · Score: 1

      You missed the Seinfeld and Gates commercials, didn't you? You know, including the one where Bill's milkshake brought nobody to the yard?

    2. Re:They Paid Money for This? by salesgeek · · Score: 1

      I saw the Seinfeld and Gates commercials. They redefined awful. The new commercials, though are groundbreaking and are defining a level of awful not even thought possible: NOTHING EVER MADE IS THIS BAD.

      Whoever thought of having your friends over for a nice evening of Windows tutorials... should have their cappuccino and black turtleneck taken away for life. Oh, and the person who bought it? Well, at least they are getting some buzz and brand impressions from the backlash.

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  138. token black guy FTW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    token black guy FTW!

  139. Typo: "its" not "it's" by vocaro · · Score: 1

    "with it's clueless and campy marketing style" --> " with its clueless and campy marketing style"

  140. Oh god oh god by Kenoli · · Score: 1

    Are they talking amongst themselves, or to me? Or both? Or Neither?!
    WAHHHHHHRRRRRHHHH,

    The time-warped clock in the background is but a small consolation.

  141. ugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I threw up in my mouth a little.

  142. Give me the knitting needles... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... to poke out my I's

  143. Top 10 Windows 7 Launch Party games! by merc · · Score: 5, Funny

    Apologies in advance to David Letterman:

    * Pin the tail on the Ballmer

    * Simon says "UAC needs your permission to continue"

    * Monopoly

    * Your files in a haystack

    * Twenty clippy questions

    * Musical thrown chairs

    * Darl McBride pinata

    * Red Light, Green Light, Blue Screen

    * DRM may I?

    * Phone Home Scruples

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  144. Confidence... by ghostis · · Score: 1

    Apparently MS is so confident in their platform, they partnered with houseparty.com, a company running Red Hat Linux infrastructure (according to NetCraft), to handle their Windows7 launch event... interesting.

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  145. Anonymous Coward. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "...with it's clueless and..."

    Lern hau two spel.

  146. Come on Teens by Wannabe+Code+Monkey · · Score: 1

    Come on teens! Get to work selling Windows 7!

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  147. YO! I don't care! by Higgs_Bozon · · Score: 1

    I just know I am gonna get a FREE copy of Ult-7 !!

    Take THAT, you debian dweebs!
    And after, maybe I can push some of this leftover tupperware!
    It's stained with Pinoqachole anyhow.

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  148. Question by Owlyn · · Score: 1

    This is someone spoofing Microsoft with a fake Ad, right? I mean, Microsoft couldn't be that stupid, could they? A corporation with that much money and access to the best marketing talent money could buy, wouldn't put out something out that lame would they? Someone explain this to me. Or do flying chairs cause cerebral damage?

  149. distasteful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I find this marketing campaign piss poor. Playing friends off of eachother is shamefull at best.
    So, friend 1 gets free Win7 - has a party to gloat about it. All other friends gain resentment towards friend 1. Friendships put to an unnecasary (sp?) test.

    gg friendless MS geeks.

  150. A more effective marketing campaign would be... by phillymjs · · Score: 1

    "Buy Windows 7 or we'll make you watch this video!"

    I don't know about you guys, but I'd rather have Vogon poetry read at me.

    ~Philly

  151. Charlie Brooker uses a Mac... by GrahamCox · · Score: 1

    Charlie Brooker uses a Mac. This is just his "inverted psychology" evangelism. Everything he says about Apple products in the article promotes them - it's the smug users he's attacking, and quite rightly.

    By the way, anyone else think there's some sexual tension between the two women in this execrable party video?

    1. Re:Charlie Brooker uses a Mac... by ColonelClaw · · Score: 1

      I've certainly seen him have a Mac sit in front of him on Screen Wipe, but it could well be just a prop for the TV show. I'll ask my buddy who's one of the IT admins at the Guardian to take a sneaky stroll past his desk to see what he actually uses in the office. One thing is for sure, he's a hell of a writer

  152. ROFLMAO! by DaMattster · · Score: 1
    Quote from the second link of the article:

    It's so terrible, it induces an entirely new emotion: a blend of vertigo, disgust, anger and embarrassment which I like to call "shitasmia". It not only creates this emotion: it defines it. It's the most shitasmic cultural artefact in history.

    I love that word shitasmia

  153. PC FAIL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where is the missing Asian person !! ?? !!

  154. the reason apple can have by nimbius · · Score: 1

    parties and gatherings centric to their releases is because they dont command the majority of computers with an iron fist of monopoly...there is a certain sense of community behind them. The interface, design of the machine, the
    applications and everything down to the way the laptops charge is about art, form, and function. Point: the parties happen because people want to have them, not because theyre told to.

    you cant just release a few youtube videos and demand exuberance from the audience. There is no "push" model to enjoying a product, and for microsoft to take the same jackboot approach to marketing
    that theyve taken to vendor lock-in of their product is just asinine and annoying.

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    1. Re:the reason apple can have by spitzak · · Score: 1

      Sorry I've never heard of an "Apple party".

  155. Don't. Fire. Your. Ad. Agency. by symbolset · · Score: 1

    Nooooooooooo..... They're doing GREAT.

    The agency responsible for this brilliantly witty perspective is Crispin, Porter & Bogusky. They've done some marvellous work here. I can't wait to see more of their efforts. Their spin on Macenstein's Mac Chick of the Month (NSFW) would be the bees knees.

    I thought paying Seinfeld ten million bucks for three commercials was a brilliant investment too! Without his classic humor Vista might not have done even as well as it did. He's what got the man on the street to give it a go.

    They should give them three to five more years before they give up on this crew. Their genius is subtle, but you need a good pool of data before you know how strategic marketing is working. And of course they'll be needing a bigger budget. This needs a wider audience to good market penetration. Maybe they could buy some leader space on DVD's, some long spots during the fall sports classics - the jocks will eat this stuff up. I'm thinking a few spots during the Thanksgiving day parade with real captured Windows 7 Launch Party footage will be just the thing.

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  156. Windows 7 Launch Parties are COOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This confirms it. Anyone who decides what's cool based on the mainstream media's opinion should spill their mocha latte on their Mac.

  157. Holy Shit by KingTank · · Score: 1

    Holy shit. Holy shit. HOLY shit! How. How... How could they be so inhuman as to not realize how incredibly dorky this is??? There has to be some rational explanation. But all I can think of is supernatural explanations. ET's and conspiracy theories, and Jesus and the devil and all that.

  158. Re:I see the Windows 7 launch is off to a great st by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

    "The marketing for Windows 95 was masterful."

    In what way?

  159. If you think this is a bad MS advert, then... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even the Guardian's resident die-hard Apple hater calls it "the most nauseating advert in history."

    Apparently you've never seen the Songsmith ad.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oGFogwcx-E

  160. Zune Tattoo Guy Is Hosting One by roguetrick · · Score: 1

    I went to high school with the guy who got the Zune tattoo and supposedly he is hosting one, so obviously not everyone hates them. Man that guy is dumb.

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  161. Are we watching the same video? by Omniscient+Ferret · · Score: 1
  162. Fun stuff! by Jweaverr · · Score: 1

    I would bring a Antonio Banderas blow up doll... But win7 will probably suck all the air out if it!

  163. Note the dubbed-in voice at 1:01 by umdenken · · Score: 1

    (I had to fix the URL to get the whole video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cX4t5-YpHQ ) A very amateurish voiceover in the middle of the 'host' saying to first install Windows 7: "Call Customer Service if you have any questions." (!!!) Something tells me installing Windows 7 wasn't quite so easy.

  164. Please, need parody videos! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please!

    Someone work up some parody videos, there is soo much material people can come up with:

    "...I've already set up accounts for you all, one of which is totally pwned by malware and spyware, and another teeters on the blue screen of death."

    "God I hope its me with the malware, some of those pictures are fantastic!"

    "You letch, but yeah, you ever see that snow white joke I forwarded out last year?" (everybody laughs in agreement)

    "After that I got a can't miss offer from some Nigerians!"

    "Well, with windows 7 there will be a whole new slew of junky apps and marketing enhanced games to slow down your PC, and, as with previous versions, your PC will start of fast as heck and in a couple years..."

    one starts, the rest join in, "Time to get a new PC!" more jovial laughter

    "You got it Bill! You were quick with that, so you're first to log in.... well... if I can get this thing to log out. Hold on, ooohhh yes! System Update."

    "ohhh, let me see!", as they crowd to the screen....

    You too can host a party and join in on the informative fun!

  165. Marketing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems like some marketing department that was overlooked when the downsizing ax made its swing is trying to justify its existence. Bet money that ax comes around again soon ;)

    *Here's* a crazy marketing plan:

    1) release a really, really, good OS; something compelling.
    2) have it pre-installed on new computers
    3) offer it to businesses and the pubic for a reasonable cost
    4) strongly support it

    You might have to fire some marketing guys, middle managers, and execs and replace them with developers, QA, and support. Trust me, it'll be worth it.

  166. Wow, great videos...so cool and informative! by herojig · · Score: 1

    As someone who hosts the Nepali apple user group once a month, i found the one video i watched to be informative - useful - well thought out, and i am going to use all those tips the next time i setup a meeting. Gee wiz MS, thanks so much for that.

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  167. Makes me sad by tuxidriver · · Score: 1

    Watching this video actually made me rather sad...

    • First Microsoft loses its ability to actually innovate: Zune = poor copy of iPod, XBox = copy of Sony, Aero = poor imitation of Compiz, etc.
    • Then Microsoft loses its ability to execute to at least the same level it did in the early part of the decade: Vista train-wreck, Office 2007 ribbon, performance and rendering issues, etc.
    • Now Microsoft loses its ability to market its products.

    Even if you don't like Microsoft now, they were a great company once. Every company eventually fails. We're now witnessing the fall of one of the most successful in history.

  168. As per usual, nobody is getting it. by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People are asking, "How could Microsoft, with all its wealth and power, produce such a stupid series of ads?"

    Because they're smarter than you?

    --Because they have enough wealth and power to hire one of the smartest public relations firms on the planet. Waggener Edstrom is the same firm in charge of the Fox Channels. If there's any one thing they know how to do, it's identify a market and then lock down that market forever and ever and sell them whatever the hell 'truth' they feel like selling.

    Here's a small clip from a page I found after about 10 seconds of Google searching. . .

    "Microsoft's primary public-relations firm, Waggener Edstrom.

    Like many tech PR firms, WaggEd also monitors religiously Twitter trends involving its biggest client. On March 11, WaggEd went beyond simply monitoring tweets: It introduced a beta version of a software tool for monitoring and analyzing them.

    Do they sound stupid now?

    My guess is that they're doing three things with this ad. . .

    1. They're trying to tap into a universal feeling of awkwardness that everybody feels when recalling a "PCP" party. (Parents, Chips and Pop). They're doing this because awkward, painful feelings open up memory centers. Information given during a period of high anxiety gets locked into place in the human mind. This is a well-known and often-used ploy in mind control. The information being served up in these ads is NOT how to run your software or all the features offered by their OS, but that "WINDOWS 7 EXISTS AND IT IS UBIQUITOUS AND YOU, AS A PACK ANIMAL HAD BETTER GET WITH THE PROGRAM OR RISK EXPULSION FROM THE HERD!!!!"

    2. Trying to tap into the feeling of safety and love which people also feel when they think of their parents and the silly birthday parties thrown for them when they were little. Why? Because an OS is the bedrock upon which you ground your entire computer existence, --the same way your parents provided the bedrock for your adult behavior sets. You might think your parents were stupid and annoying, and you probably want to deny it, but the truth of the matter is that most people grow up to become their parents.

    3. Go viral. --Using such deliberate tactics designed to rope in the lower echelon of geeks, such as stove clocks which are obviously bouncing around 'wrong' in exactly the kind of way geeks like to point out and be "Right" about. Fuck, fuck, FUCK! There's a whole sick cultural system through which people who like computer technology were warped into that "Look! I'm RIGHT!" head-space, and you had better believe that clock "error" was on purpose so as to lock them in. Low-hanging fruit.

    So, please, for goodness sake, try to think outside of the bloody box when approaching the toxic waste which is advertising! If you fall for this kind of stupid shit, then you're nothing but slaves who deserve to be used and abused, and you WILL be.

    Sorry for the harsh language, but this is important.

    -FL

    1. Re:As per usual, nobody is getting it. by ComaVN · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My thoughts exactly. It's the same thing as those ads with deliberatly crappy lighting, camera angles and sound.

      There really is no such thing as bad publicity.

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    2. Re:As per usual, nobody is getting it. by bit01 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yep. I'd say they're also trying for "we're amateurs at parties so that must mean we're professionals at business" thing going and a "we don't waste money on unprofessional eye candy like apple" also. They've always tried to look like a conservative, professional business that has stupid office parties just like every other business.

      They also don't want people to notice that this single company is costing the world USD60,000,000,000+ per year for about a dozen programs mostly written decades ago with the most difficult bits, the device drivers, being written by third parties.

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    3. Re:As per usual, nobody is getting it. by Deefburger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Buddy, the Ad world may be mind control to you, but it is not real control. Sure, you might get that "I'm right" feeling looking at the stupid clock, but we know how film is produced, and we know it's an editing error. We know these people are actors. We also know that this scenario is so completely un-real that only a moron would even consider such a thing as a comming out party for Windows! Your mind controllers may have control over YOUR thoughts, feelings and emotions, but they missed mine by a MILE! This conspiracy of thought that they are supposedly engineering your emotional chemistry with only has an effect on you if you let it. Stop believing in the power of suggestion. Start believing in the control YOU have of YOUR mind.

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    4. Re:As per usual, nobody is getting it. by Stan+Vassilev · · Score: 1

      Because they have enough wealth and power to hire one of the smartest public relations firms on the planet. Waggener Edstrom is the same firm in charge of the Fox Channels. If there's any one thing they know how to do, it's identify a market and then lock down that market forever and ever and sell them whatever the hell 'truth' they feel like selling.

      Just a little remark: there's no company called the "Fox Channels". The Fox brand is spread over dozens of semi-independent companies of News Corp., which have little relation to each other in terms of their management and PR. Saying "Fox Something" when you deal with huge corporations is simply information the least. Waggener Edstrom has been doing some work for "Fox International Channels" in particular.

      What is the company Microsoft they previously worked with? Crispin Porter + Boguski, also considered one of the "smartest marketing firms on the planet", who have done work for Burger Kind, Coca Cola, AmEx, Domino's and more. And now they have Microsoft on their portfolio thanks to their work few months back, which was poorly received, and mostly forgotten by now, with frequent strategy shifts, awkward moments and prematurely ending projects and relationships. This is how these "big smart marketing companies" build portfolio and you better get used to being tricked by their statements when googling around as you claim you do.

      As for these party ads, I enjoy how you retroactively try to explain Microsoft's decisions, but their behavior is very typical. As any person/company with vast resources, they believe the fastest and safest way to success is simply to find and hire the "top" people for lots of money. Even if the people involved in this decision knew any better, they know that getting the "top companies" is simply a less risky decision, and risk is definitely a factor when your job is on the line.

      To praphrase a sentence, "no one was fired for hiring [top company in some field]". It's also one reason why people with such vast resources frequently arrive at subpar results, because money doesn't translate into success as easily. Case in point:

      Like many tech PR firms, WaggEd also monitors religiously Twitter trends involving its biggest client. On March 11, WaggEd went beyond simply monitoring tweets: It introduced a beta version of a software tool for monitoring and analyzing them. Do they sound stupid now?

      I'm missing your point. I/em%3

    5. Re:As per usual, nobody is getting it. by Stan+Vassilev · · Score: 2, Informative

      [reposting since Slashdot damaged the previous post]

      Because they have enough wealth and power to hire one of the smartest public relations firms on the planet. Waggener Edstrom is the same firm in charge of the Fox Channels. If there's any one thing they know how to do, it's identify a market and then lock down that market forever and ever and sell them whatever the hell 'truth' they feel like selling.

      Just a little remark: there's no company called the "Fox Channels". The Fox brand is spread over dozens of semi-independent companies of News Corp., which have little relation to each other in terms of their management and PR. Saying "Fox Something" when you deal with huge corporations is simply useless. Waggener Edstrom has been doing some work for "Fox International Channels" in particular, which are doing work broadcasting and producing shows for public outside USA.

      What is the company Microsoft previously worked with? Crispin Porter + Boguski, also considered one of the "smartest marketing firms on the planet", who have done work for Burger King, Coca Cola, American Express, Domino's and more. And now they have Microsoft on their portfolio thanks to their work few months back, which was poorly received, and mostly forgotten by now, with frequent strategy shifts, awkward moments and prematurely ending projects and relationships. This is how these "big smart marketing companies" build portfolio and you better get used to being tricked by their statements when "googling a little" as you say you do.

      As for these party ads, I enjoy how you retroactively try to explain Microsoft's decisions, but their behavior is very typical. As any person/company with vast resources, they believe the fastest and safest way to success is simply to find and hire the "top" people for lots of money. Even if the people involved in this decision knew any better, they know that getting the "top companies" is simply a less risky decision, and risk is definitely a factor when your job is on the line.

      To praphrase a sentence, "no one was fired for hiring [top company in some field]". It's also one reason why people with such vast resources frequently arrive at subpar results, because money doesn't translate into success as easily. Case in point:

      Like many tech PR firms, WaggEd also monitors religiously Twitter trends involving its biggest client. On March 11, WaggEd went beyond simply monitoring tweets: It introduced a beta version of a software tool for monitoring and analyzing them. Do they sound stupid now?

      I'm missing your point. Even I have written a tool for analyzing tweets, as I bet anyone who toyed with Twitter's API. Can I get lots of money now? All I get out of the above is that you're easily impressed by buzz-words. The amount of Second Life, Twitter and Facebook apps a marketing company has may have surprisingly little to do with how good they are at making advertising campaigns.

      Not to mention Twitter doesn't accurately reflect the kind of crowd Microsoft makes the bulk of their money with, which is enterprise and OEM deployment. Twitter is predominantly teens with too much time on their hands. Is this your example of a PR company can "identify a market and then lock down that market forever".?

      As for the psycho-babble reasons you defend the awkwardness of the ad, I have to admit, bravo. If you ever work in a marketing/PR company like Waggener Edstrom, this is exactly the kind of babble you need to sell services to clueless management. And with this insight, now you know why big companies have crappy ads: because the marketing companies they use don't need to be really good at selling products to end-users, they mostly need to be good at selling service to management.

      As for you, coming here and being indignant about why Slashdot discusses Microsoft's ads is utterly pointless. This is an echo chamber full of people who are critical of Microsoft. Echo chambers have this property of seemingly

    6. Re:As per usual, nobody is getting it. by jvkjvk · · Score: 1

      While you are correct in your assessment, everyone born in the last, what forty years knows at least intuitively that watching any type of advertising is more like a cage match battle for control of your mind (or portions thereof) than anything else.

      While it's quite a benefit to point out the actual techniques involved, only people who haven't yet developed immunity to every marketer using the same tech needs to consciously realize this.

      We are quite adaptable creatures, and our deep conscious realizes when something hurts us, even if we do not. Eventually the house of cards that is manipulation and deception will fall. Unlike actual mind control tech, there is no wearing down of the Will with sleep dep, chemicals, circles of fight club like interpersonal scenarios, etc. There is only the constant small jabs. Ouch! Eventually they will have pushed every button that there is to push, repeatedly, so much that the stimulus-response will no longer work. And we all will be the better for it.

      Until they actually start either directly stimulating brain activity (magnetically or electrically) or forcing chemicals in into the body. Perhaps it won't get that far to push unnecessary consumption.

      I don't know personally if it is necessary for Everyone to know how this tech works. Sometimes you can get so caught up in that. Certainly it is interesting and useful. But I *do* know that habituation will cause it to lose it's magick, and that is one path to freedom.

      Of course, it would be better if we did not have people trying to Control others at all, but i don't quite believe we are there yet.

      namaste

    7. Re:As per usual, nobody is getting it. by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1

      Just a little remark: there's no company called the "Fox Channels". The Fox brand is spread over dozens of semi-independent companies of News Corp., which have little relation to each other in terms of their management and PR. Saying "Fox Something" when you deal with huge corporations is simply useless. Waggener Edstrom has been doing some work for "Fox International Channels" in particular, which are doing work broadcasting and producing shows for public outside USA. [. . .] What is the company Microsoft previously worked with? Crispin Porter + Boguski, also considered one of the "smartest marketing firms on the planet", who have done work for Burger King, Coca Cola, American Express, Domino's and more. And now they have Microsoft on their portfolio thanks to their work few months back, which was poorly received, and mostly forgotten by now, with frequent strategy shifts, awkward moments and prematurely ending projects and relationships. This is how these "big smart marketing companies" build portfolio and you better get used to being tricked by their statements when "googling a little" as you say you do.

      Fair enough, re the Fox Channels remark. It was ten seconds of Googling after all. My point, and I should think this would be clear to you, is that large and successful PR companies have studied psychology extensively and they don't look stupid unless they want to look stupid. You bring up the hopelessly mis-used Occam without understanding, it seems, the principal behind Occam. Let me put it this way. . .

      Is it more reasonable that a group well versed in psychology put out a series of ads, (keeping in mind that this is their primary focus of trade upon which their livelihoods depend) for a huge and important client like Microsoft desperate at this point to make sure that their new OS doesn't fail in the market place, but that through simple negligence they just happened to make the ad series pathetic. . ? -OR- is it more likely that they used the skills and knowledge they are trained in to deliberately make the ad series APPEAR pathetic because they understand how humans in large groups tend to react to stimuli?

      You seem to be suggesting that, all things being equal, it is more likely that they are just a bunch of bumbling fools who don't care if they shoot videos which look like bad student films even when their reputations with a large client at a crucial marketing period -during a recession- are on the line. And you have the audacity to bring up Occam?

      Also. . .

      Crispin Porter & Boruski were responsible for the Seinfeld-Bill Gates team up. That move, (despite their almost certainly self-edited entry in Wikipedia which declares it to be a giant and embarrassing flop), was largely responsible for the positive reaction Windows 7 has been receiving. Here's the message which hit home in that 'Flop': "Gates is a socially awkward dork who went walkabout, leaving MS in the hands of Ballmer who screwed up the farm with Vista. BUT Gates is back now! And THAT's what you want as an investor in MS. You don't want Bill to be cool and savvy. You want him to be a social-retard who happens to be a brilliant computer/business genius who will make you lots of money when he gets back to work. Vista wasn't his fault, and now that he's back at the helm, the next Windows product is going to kick ass, and you the audience, are going to WANT it to kick ass because it's so painful to see Bill look like an idiot that you want him to have a success."

      And that's not a retroactive excuse. That's exactly how it read at the time, and that's exactly what went on to happen. And THAT is public relations magic at its most effective.

      I'm missing your point. Even I have written a tool for analyzing tweets, as I bet anyone who toyed with Twitter's API. Can I get lots of money now? All I get out of the above is that you're easily impressed by buzz-words. The amount of Second Life, Twitter and Facebook apps a marketing company has may have sur

    8. Re:As per usual, nobody is getting it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't understand how making your new product look like it was genuinely produced by someone who thinks a launch party is a good idea qualifies as good marketing. We already know Windows 7 is out there, everybody knows because windows is already ubiquitous. All this does it make Microsoft look as clueless as they actually are. The theory behind marketing be damned, this does no good for the operating system.

    9. Re:As per usual, nobody is getting it. by crono_deus · · Score: 1

      Jesus Christ man.... let me get this straight: you're telling me they're using post-modernist advertising techniques? That this is somehow the advertising analog of an e.e. cummings poem?

      Terrifying.

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  169. Take that, RIAA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's nice they also teach how to conduct music piracy with W7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l0-TtH6icc

  170. Actually the ads are brilliant. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look how much attention they are getting. At the end of the day thats the point.

  171. Mawkish by LS · · Score: 1

    This is exactly the situation this word was invented for.

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  172. The Brady Bunch's Retarded Alter Egos by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    nuf sed

  173. Sidewiki? by z0idberg · · Score: 1

    Does anyone have Sidewiki installed? I imagine there might be a few insightful comments on there. Could be worth installing it for this page alone.

  174. Give away 1yr XBox Live w/ retail copies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bribe people, maybe they can get some new gamers hooked as well. OK, I guess that only works on gamers, maybe they can give away a few cheap casual games.

  175. I'm confused by EricX2 · · Score: 1

    Microsoft can't make anybody happy... They hire one of the best comedians to do a funny commercial and everybody gets mad. They do commercials competing with apples 'I'm a mac' and everybody gets mad. They show that pc's can be cheaper and people get mad. They make commercials showing how easy to use it is and people get mad. Now they make a commercial showing people ideas for a launch party for what is possibly their best OS ever and people get mad.

    They might as well just make commercials featuring goatse guy eating a baby, they couldn't make people happy anyway.

    1. Re:I'm confused by cheros · · Score: 1

      They hire one of the best comedians

      That's a new definition of "best", I think. Anyone worth its salt would have avoided participation in this nauseating crap.

      To me, it smacks of a marketing exec who's seen some powerpoint slide that states that viral marketing works. Not understanding the concept, that ad was the result.

      Look at the bright side: this is bound to win an award. Just not a positive one.

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  176. RIAA by chrismiceli · · Score: 1

    The RIAA should probably not watch the first 10 seconds of this launch party video on burning music: http://www.youtube.com/user/LaunchParties#play/all/uploads-all/2/9l0-TtH6icc "If you enjoyed the music tonight....you ought to take it home with you. Let me walk you through how to burn a cd..."

  177. Greasy stains by worf_mo · · Score: 1

    Where do these greasy stains on the younger blonde's dress come from? Looks like someone couldn't keep their hands off her during the shooting of the video.

  178. Time for.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Penguin Parties!!

    There really can be such a thing as a free lunch, in some respects :-)

    The ad has all the lameness of infomercials, or some kind of cult tesimony.

  179. Metaphors 101 by jthill · · Score: 1

    "The people in this video are most commonly described using this metaphor."

    "Alex, what is a tool?"

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  180. Takes me back to the Vista launch ads by Archeron · · Score: 1

    Takes me back to the Vista launch ads as the only word that comes to mind is "Wow".

  181. What a great video! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This video is fantastic! It not only conveys all of the really super great features of Windows 7, it also shows the level of commitment Microsoft has to making computing an exciting experience. I'm planning on having a whole set of parties. I don't know if I can get people to have as much fun as shown in the commercial, but the point is that the party reflects what Microsoft has done since Vista. What really has to happen is for Microsoft to buy air time at nite and run this as an infomercial, and also run the ad on TV in primetime. I would like everyone to see this Microsoft commercial in full many times per week over the next year. They should book a billion dollars in TV air time in advance in order to get better rates. They could even spend 700-800 million on a superbowl ad with this commercial. I already have this on my Zune, and am playing it over and over.

  182. Ok advertisers you win!!!! by aws4y · · Score: 1

    I give up, I will buy windows 7...

    You want me to see a bad movie where Megan Fox shows off her body fine, I mean its not like the transformers movie this summer was the same thing right? Right?????....

    You want me to see a Bruce Willis movie where everyone is a robot with a plot that was originally a Twlight Zone episode remade 4 times then made into a movie 4 times and even has James Cromwell who was in I,Robot which was kind of like this movie ok I will do it......

    Yes I will even buy a mac too, but in this case my only request is that you kill Justin Long.....

    OK, can I see the House, M.D. episode or Family Guy, Oh you want me to watch The Big Bang Theory, followed by Numb3rs......

    I am going to go to sleep

    it was all too much, but at least I get to sleep now.

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  183. That was real? by houghi · · Score: 1

    I saw it and thought it was a spoof of some US ad I had not seen. I laughed so hard when I saw it I peed a little. I seriously thought it was hilarious.

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  184. I believe... by mpl · · Score: 1

    ... that they didn't manage to get Ballmer, so they shoot the video

  185. The best way to use windows ... by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

    Yes, but then those of us who want a shell get... the freaking MS-DOS Command Prompt. Quite possibly the worst shell interface known to mankind.

    Whether or not it's the worst interface know to humankind, or not, I can't figure out how to make it do simple OS stuff (short of writing a batch file). Now I've heard it said (to my wife by some friend who does MS training) "geeks like that [not referring to me btw] are a dime a dozen. They all hate Windows, because they don't know how to use it. That might be true, so maybe I'm just an ignorant geek, but let me give an example of something I frequently have to do.

    We've received some XML files for processing. There is a parent dir (sorry 'folder') and it contains as many folders as there are files (ie each files lives in it's own folder). The number of files is not small, but not exactly BIG either, say around the 1000 mark. Ie. what I want to do is simply mv */*xml . Very basic stuff.

    Being an ignorant *nix geek, I find this a difficult task to achieve using the GUI, so I try the MS-DOS shell, I still can't work it out, move being somewhat different to mv. And I freely admit it might be my fabled geek ignorance of Windows at work, so if anyone can give me the DOS cmd that does this ...

    The only way I can get it happening is to write a simplistic script. So if I have to do that I'm going to use perl or python rather than DOS, no? Python has a nice enough shell, so I might as well use that ... finally I end up living in the python shell when on a Windows box (and everybody is happy).

    Which goes to show that the best way to use Windows is not to use Windows at all, even when you are using Windows ... at least for me. Hmm that's almost a sig.

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    1. Re:The best way to use windows ... by mrjb · · Score: 1

      The only way I can get it happening is to write a simplistic script.

      I recommend you get unxutils from sourceforge.

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    2. Re:The best way to use windows ... by Mr2001 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ie. what I want to do is simply mv */*xml . Very basic stuff.

      Being an ignorant *nix geek, I find this a difficult task to achieve using the GUI, so I try the MS-DOS shell, I still can't work it out, move being somewhat different to mv. And I freely admit it might be my fabled geek ignorance of Windows at work, so if anyone can give me the DOS cmd that does this ...

      for /d %i in (*) do move %i\*.xml .

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    3. Re:The best way to use windows ... by peterpi · · Score: 1

      Somebody will probably say "Oh I'll write you a C# app to do that. It'll be brilliant because it's written in C#"

    4. Re:The best way to use windows ... by peterpi · · Score: 1

      PS: Cygwin will save your sanity, so long as you can get through the clunky install.

    5. Re:The best way to use windows ... by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      that'll be a C# app running in Powershell.

      Of course you could probably move them all, one by one, using Explorer, in the time your Powershell script starts up.

    6. Re:The best way to use windows ... by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 1

      Just like in SQL, I usually find there is a simple, if inelegant, solution available for just about everything in the command prompt. It's not intuitive, barely documented, and seems pieced together and inconsistent. In other words, we should expect that to be the case, because it's always the case.

    7. Re:The best way to use windows ... by pwfffff · · Score: 1

      Open the folder in Explorer, make sure you're in detail view with a 'Type' column visible (should be by default), click the 'Type' column header, click the first .xml file, shift+click the last .xml file, drag and drop. How is that not painfully obvious?

      It may sound like more steps, but I can probably accomplish the move like that faster than you can type 'mv */*xml'

    8. Re:The best way to use windows ... by deimtee · · Score: 1

      Not sure if it still works, but I think you used to be able to move files using the rename command "ren" and giving the full path in the args.
      You can use wildcards in the args. Try "ren \blah\blah\path\*\*.xml \blah\blah\newpath\*.xml".
      Note that you cannot change drives with this.

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    9. Re:The best way to use windows ... by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 1

      Each xml file is in its own folder.

    10. Re:The best way to use windows ... by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      Open the folder in Explorer, make sure you're in detail view with a 'Type' column visible (should be by default), click the 'Type' column header, click the first .xml file, shift+click the last .xml file, drag and drop. How is that not painfully obvious?

      Your reading comprehension must have suffered from watching the video. The poster was clear: Each directory has exactly ONE file in it. 1000 directories, each with 1 file in it, that they want to move to a common directory. Just the files - not the folders. So your method would involve opening each folder in explorer, one at a time, and dragging the file to another directory. It would be quicker to reboot into linux and mount the hd and do it than to do what you suggest.

    11. Re:The best way to use windows ... by FuckTheModerators · · Score: 1

      Search the parent folder for *.xml, then drag from the search results window to the desired folder. Done. Not mv */*.xml but pretty quick.

    12. Re:The best way to use windows ... by pwfffff · · Score: 1

      fffffff

    13. Re:The best way to use windows ... by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 1

      You're right though, it's easier than he makes it sound. Just go to the parent folder, hit Search, type *.xml, drag and drop. At least, that works in XP's lovely filename search. I don't trust the weird semantic desktop meta-search in Vista or Windows 7. XP's was snappy and clean :(

    14. Re:The best way to use windows ... by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

      You're right though, it's easier than he makes it sound. Just go to the parent folder, hit Search, type *.xml, drag and drop.

      I wasn't trying to make it sound difficult. Thanks for the tip though ... seems obvious enough now that you've told me. :)

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    15. Re:The best way to use windows ... by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

      Not sure if it still works ...

      The filename, directory name, or volume label syntax is incorrect.

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    16. Re:The best way to use windows ... by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > what I want to do is simply mv */*xml . Very basic stuff.

      On the other hand, try to translate this much more common simple DOS command into anything that will work in a Unix shell:

      ren *.htm *.html

      (For those who don't know any DOS because you never used computers back in the pre-386 days before Linux became popular, what this does is rename every .htm file in the current directory to have the longer .html suffix. Obviously, this requires LFN support in your OS, but we used to do the same thing all the time with other extensions that fell within the three-character limit.)

      I only know of two ways to do this sort of renaming on a Unix-like system. The hard way involves awk and at least three different pipes, and the (relatively) easy way is a Perl one-liner, which generally includes a Schwartzian transform and calls system() for each individual rename. Okay, I suppose you could substitute Python or some other interpreted VHLL for Perl, but that makes my point for me: the shell can't handle it without a lot of help, and the solution is much more complicated than the DOS command.

      Note that I'm not saying the Windows shell is as good in general as a Unix shell (such as bash). For the most part it's not, in a variety of ways. I'm merely pointing out that harping on one particular command that's much easier in one shell than the other is a very inconclusive argument.

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    17. Re:The best way to use windows ... by jonadab · · Score: 1

      Okay, but do you know how to do it on an older version of DOS (say, 3.3) that doesn't have the move command?

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    18. Re:The best way to use windows ... by Mr2001 · · Score: 1

      Without writing a batch file? No.

      DOS 3.3 also didn't have for /d, which loops through directory names only, so you'd need to use a trick to distinguish between directory and file names. It's been a while, but I think you could do something like this:

      if "%1"=="x" goto recursive
      for %%i in (*) do if exist %%i\nul call %0 x %1
      exit
      :recursive
      copy %2\*.xml .
      del %2\*.xml

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  186. Taking things too literally. by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

    We're taking this to (sic) literally. Surely? I mean Windows isn't seriously thinking people will host one of these parties.

    You're kidding me dude? You mean you're not going to host a Win7 party?!

    The tupperware people versus the Arne Jacobsen cutlery set ... So where the fuck does that leave me?

    Well if you're not having a party I guess that leaves you as a 'gay Apple user'.* You even know who Arne Jacobsen is ... ;)

    * That's a meme that seems to have died on /. (and maybe I should have left it in its grave)

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  187. I have no friends and I'm cooler than this! by upuv · · Score: 1

    I'm a shut in with no friends and I order everything online in sizes that fit through my mail slot.

    And even I pity these people.

  188. Windows 7 Touch is *Powerful* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you check out the video for playlists and touch at:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I3pEBfca80&feature=channel

    Watch the guy behind the "presenter" at about 24 seconds in... Windows 7 sure is powerful!

  189. Best viewed with the sound off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and through rose-tinted glasses. Some questions that came to mind.

    1. was the Sony switched on?
    2. why didn't any of the partygoers demonstrate something wonderful in Win7?
    3. the younger woman seemed rather hyper.

    btw Does the Viao mean that Win7 comes with rootkits pre-installed?

  190. I bet no one of you watched long enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... to see this turns into wild porn! Just believe me, they start to undress & fuck after a few minutes.

    (As a sidenote: The captcha for this post was "agonized")

  191. Microsoft snatches defeat from the jaws of victory by David+Gerard · · Score: 1

    Office supply company Microsoft has reassured consumers and industry analysts that its decline will continue with the new video on how to run a Windows 7 house party, whose "viral" nature goes beyond "herpes" or "swine flu" to "SARS."

    Originally thought to be a devastating satirical spoof before being confirmed as genuine, the video features Stepford wives and husbands reading lines off the autocues in each others' blank eyes on how to hold a party. The digital clock on the cooker in the background jumps around at random. The black guy and the MILF go off to fuck. Finally, everyone drinks the cyanide-laced Kool-Aid and looks forward to being one with Steve Jobs in the next world, before discovering that they have been judged unworthy and will spend eternity with Steve Ballmer instead.

    The video was produced by the same team that advertised Vista with comedians Jerry Seinfeld and Bill Gates, working again with abnormal psychology researchers from the University of Washington. "Count the headlines!" shouted one of the marketing department's several thousand monkeys with video cameras. "Count the YouTube views! It's clear that my work gets the brand out, and if I don't get appropriate compensation in my annual review I'll be suing." The Polish version of the video features a white face crudely cut-and-pasted over the black guy's head.

    "Windows 7 was getting great reviews," said completely independent ZDnet marketing marketer Mary Jo Enderle, "even the geeks loved the preview versions, everyone was amazed that Microsoft appeared to have successfully grown past the Vista disaster. But the mind-sodomising cluelessness of thinking this video was actually a good idea has firmly snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, blessed Windows 7 with the stench of death, confirmed that it really is just Vista with a coat of paint and set everyone's mind at rest.

    "That's why my column this week talks about all the great stuff coming in Windows 8. Windows 8, that's the one to beat! It'll work on netbooks! It'll be secure! It'll have a database filesystem! Snow Leopard can't touch it! Businesses should definitely move from XP!"

    Microsoft has previously shown its deft ability to drop the ball two yards from the end of the field with the XBox 360, in which a powerful and popular game console was manufactured so shoddily that over 50% of machines turned out defective, and the Zune, in which an MP3 player of decent hardware capabilities at a good price point was crippled with bad firmware and unusable software and sold in a package the color of baby shit. "In a stroke of genius, they put in wifi but not a web browser, so the iPod Touch could steal their thunder six months later. You don't get brilliance like that for free."

    The new, abbreviated Windows 7 house party instructions have been sent to marketing: "Here is a Windows 7 DVD. Here is a bottle of vodka. Here is a gun with one bullet."

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  192. Re:I see the Windows 7 launch is off to a great st by jonbryce · · Score: 1

    They are a good marketing company in that they sell products that people want to buy. What they are useless at is advertising.

  193. You having one? by superdan2k · · Score: 1

    I was going to ask if I could crash someone's launch party, but I'm pretty sure it'll crash itself.

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  194. I was taken in... by billraper · · Score: 1

    I must confess that I was taken in by this. Heck, I was one of the silly dweebs that had "BBS" parties, "LAN" parties and attended the occasional "SUG" meeting. Is it campy and silly? SURE!!! Is it uncool? SURE!! -- But so am I!! Do I get a 100% free copy of Windows 7 Ultimate Edition? YOU BET!! So, to all you naysayers: NYAAAAAAAH!!! :-) Bill

    1. Re:I was taken in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And by the way -- you all were taken in as well. Look at all the free BUZZ and publicity you have given to Microsoft. Congratulations to all the mindless drones!!

  195. testing windows 7 by omar_armas · · Score: 1

    If I buy, let's say, a t-shirt, I expect it to be defects free, otherwise, I'd not buy it or would have it changed.
    So, is Windows 7 defect free?

    Let's see, just try this script in the party to check if Windows 7 is a good new product, the parameter is the ip of the happy windows 7:
    (adapted from http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2009/Sep/0039.html )

    ------begin---------
    #!/usr/bin/python
    # When SMB2.0 recieve a "&" char in the "Process Id High" SMB header field it dies with a
    # PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA from socket import socket
    from time import sleep
    import socket
    import sys

    ip = sys.argv[1]
    host = ip, 445
    buff = (
    "\x00\x00\x00\x90" # Begin SMB header: Session message
    "\xff\x53\x4d\x42" # Server Component: SMB
    "\x72\x00\x00\x00" # Negociate Protocol
    "\x00\x18\x53\xc8" # Operation 0x18 & sub 0xc853
    "\x00\x26"# Process ID High: --> :) normal value should be "\x00\x00"
    "\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\xff\xff\xff\xfe"
    "\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x6d\x00\x02\x50\x43\x20\x4e\x45\x54"
    "\x57\x4f\x52\x4b\x20\x50\x52\x4f\x47\x52\x41\x4d\x20\x31"
    "\x2e\x30\x00\x02\x4c\x41\x4e\x4d\x41\x4e\x31\x2e\x30\x00"
    "\x02\x57\x69\x6e\x64\x6f\x77\x73\x20\x66\x6f\x72\x20\x57"
    "\x6f\x72\x6b\x67\x72\x6f\x75\x70\x73\x20\x33\x2e\x31\x61"
    "\x00\x02\x4c\x4d\x31\x2e\x32\x58\x30\x30\x32\x00\x02\x4c"
    "\x41\x4e\x4d\x41\x4e\x32\x2e\x31\x00\x02\x4e\x54\x20\x4c"
    "\x4d\x20\x30\x2e\x31\x32\x00\x02\x53\x4d\x42\x20\x32\x2e"
    "\x30\x30\x32\x00"

    )

    sock = socket.socket()
    sock.connect(host)
    sock.send(buff)
    print sock.recv(8192)
    sock.close()
    </pre>

    If the script works, vista dies and it means Microsoft has again released a brand new product with an important bug.
    Please, it's time to ask Microsoft to release secure products. Believe it or not, I plan to use Windows 7 at some point and want it to be a good O.S.

    Omar

    PS. The script was tested on MacOS 10.6, but should work on Linux too.

  196. I will say it again:Operating System launch party by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have been a Sys Admin for many years, I enjoy a lot what I do, still I find this concept so utterly repulsive that I can barely contain my disdain.

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  197. This lessens any legitimacy of Windows 7 by Aaron32 · · Score: 1

    When I was watching this, I was thinking of the already posted: Tupperware, Amway, and other similar cheesy tricks to get someone to buy some crap nobody really wants.

    This infomercial really lessens any legitimacy of Windows 7. Without seeing it, I already think it's something not worth checking out merely because of this one video. In time Microsoft will come to learn that this sort of publicity is going to turn out really negative for them.

  198. Supports DirectX 10 ... by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    Oh, gee, it is so nice of them, to release an OS that supports their own, proprietary, non portable technology.

    "It includes drivers for modern hardware...."

    So yet again, people with older computers can go an f**k tehmselves...(what is the support threshold, hardware not older than 3 months?)

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  199. Not very smart! by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    At this stage the only thing that could generate interest and also maybe make a new dawn of the windows (tarnished) image...is to have contest like doritos did, so what do we name our next windows, and offer a great reward xxx to the winner...with
    people posting stuff from youtube etc...image all the great videos you could get from there that would be as good as the mac ones...

    But no...let's throw our money at Seinfeld, then change again and again our strategy until we just collapse in a ball in the fetal position on the side of the road...nice one Microsoft....here's MY idea..have a commercial of a great shot of Steve Balmer getting fired , and then having HIS boss throw a chair at him on his way out...and THEN have the balls to say...windows, not afraid to change with the times!....simple sweet, and makes fun of windows past...perfect in my books.

  200. That would be par of the course. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    What is unforgivable is not to have a person checking continuity, it is part of the basics of making videos or film.

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  201. You are derided. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    If that is really their strategy they should hire good marketing people.

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  202. Mocrosoft "Tupperware" party Video by Deefburger · · Score: 1

    I couldn't load it in time, and the video portion wouldn't play. Only the audio. THAT was creepy enough! It sounded like a setup for Jahova's Witness intervention or something. So, Muffy, have you accepted Windows 7 as your personal Sav- uh - I mean Operating System?

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  203. DOS challenge! by Civil_Disobedient · · Score: 1

    Using a single batch file, rename a series of files so that their filenames start with the number of the iteration. For example:

    test.txt -> 1_test.text
    runme.bat -> 2_runme.bat

  204. The House Party from HELL!! by Deefburger · · Score: 1

    Ok! I got to see the Video. Yawn. I got a better, more realistic party in mind. Hookers and Windows 7!! Woo Hoo! Not only can you and your guests watch porn on your new Windows 7 setup and get drunk together, but you can get infected too! And the Follow up party will be a Clinic Party where everyone gets treated for the STD's they got at the other party! And Windows 7 can be the guest of honour there too! See how easy it is to rid Windows 7 of all those nasty little bugs it got while you were having sooooo much FUN using it? Wow! We'll take shots of PCcillin and, if that fails we'll have a re-install Party too! Boy oh boy, the fun never ends with Microsoft!

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  205. Really? Really? by snakernetb · · Score: 1

    This ranks right up there with the little asian kid. Apparently M$ thinks of us as dumb little kids that need there products to be productive in society. But everything they do just seems like a big piece of shit pie. Their Windows 7 is nothing more than Vista re-branded. Save it Windows fan-boys. I have kicked the tires on 7 386 and x86_64 a months ago. I built a VM booted it and couldn't believe my eyes! I said to myself "Holy Shit!" This is just Vista. Never booted the VM again. Grow a brain and dump these facist assholes and their desktop tyranny. Dear Microsoft, just open source your OS. That way it can get fixed. It is the only way it will ever be worth a damn!

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  206. Or you get Powershell by default in Windows 7? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The default shell of Windows Server 2008 is Powershell isn't it?

  207. Leave it to Microsoft... by Avatar8 · · Score: 1

    to produce something so foul that stereotypical nerds look elite and cool.

  208. That was..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Ubercorney.

  209. The target doesn't care. It wants free software. by stanltaaf · · Score: 1

    Look, the people throwing the 'party' thinks cool! MS will give it to me as compensation for introducing it to my family and friends.

    Considering they like the new OS, these people CAN be bought. I know, because I'm ONE OF THEM HA HA HA HAAAA! (Evil Cackle). Free software for me, boo hoo for u.

  210. Wow by 0ld_d0g · · Score: 0

    You changed the operating system on your computer because you didn't win in a raffle?

    Haha. Don't know why but this really cracked me up..

  211. Microsoft hasn't been "cool" since 1991 ... by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    However, nowadays MS seems to have lost their cool, Don't excpect them to dissapear (sic) anytime soon, but they will probably not be in as dominate position as they were back in the days.

    They lost their cool a long time ago - back when it was no longer seen to be cool to work for them,

    You might blame it on Monkeyboy, but it actually started in the developer community the early '90s, when people started to realize that perpetual death marches are an indicator that the higher-ups are clueless.

  212. It's a cry for help by Stepnsteph · · Score: 1

    "and we... have tried them all." - She looks like she's about to cry when she says this. What did they do to these people!?

  213. can't have the party on the first day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they tell you that you should install Windows 7 and try it for a couple of days before having the party. So how can you have the party on the day that Windows 7 comes out? were did you get that copy before it went on sale?

  214. I dunno... by conureman · · Score: 1

    I saw one for Windows 95 with Matthew Perry in it that I thought was quite good. Funny, since it was so much better than the actual product, but well done. Good script, story line, direction... It was like a half-hour show, IIRC. Every thing I've seen since has been pretty inept. Maybe since then they've found it more desirable to use FUD and abuse their monopoly position. Good example of the maxim "It never pays to over-estimate the intelligence of the consumer".

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    1. Re:I dunno... by mrrudge · · Score: 1

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GWQgb015Lc

      Thank you. You're right, it's much better. I'm now quite excited about this Windows 95, maybe I'll switch.

    2. Re:I dunno... by conureman · · Score: 1

      Egad! Okay, well, it's a lot hokier than I remembered, but still not as horrifying as that "Launch Party" POS. Thanks for the link.

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  215. (OT commentary)Re:The best way to use windows ... by hazah · · Score: 1

    wow... not to sound like flamer... I have to say, writing a loop to do this is anything but intuitive.

  216. Gotta have that clock... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...can someone write a KDE4 Plasmoid of a green digital clock that just randomly shows times between 3:00 and 5:00, changing every so often at random for no apparent reason? Maybe have an option to float around in a nauseating way like the camera movements?

  217. M$ KNOWS the ads look like roadkill by crovira · · Score: 1

    M$ advertising usually LOOKS stupid, boring, idiotic and an embarrassment.

    The fact that comments aren't allowed shows you that M$ KNOWS that their marketing just looks stupid, boring, idiotic and an embarrassment.

    Its actually inviting Windows FanBoys (both of them,) to create their own YouTube video in the hopes that one of them will go viral.

    I have to hand it to M$, on the rusty hub cap off of a 1941 De Soto Custom Coupe.

    You really have to get a pro (who won't sign THIS work,) to churn out an ad quite that bad. I haven't seen a wall clock that confused in fiction since Kurt Vonnegut and the "chronosynclastic infundibulum."

    Deconstructing the ad shows how desperately M$ is reaching for a viral video from its own customer base.

    It takes real balls, and a lot of desperation, to attempt the kind of manipulation.

    It takes real balls, and genuine disdain for your users, to think that they're that easily manipulated.

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    1. Re:M$ KNOWS the ads look like roadkill by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Perhaps part of the problem is the incestuousness between Ballmer's wife's PR company and the problem at hand. If Microsoft wanted to be effective, they'd stop having yes-people surrounding them and more WTF Were You Thinking people surrounding them.

      The sad thing is that they're burning money on this while (and Ballmer admits to it) while Windows Mobile is burning. The lost opportunities to shine are endless there.

      He's acting like another Vonnegut character piece of anatomy, as in the appendage of Dwayne Hoobler, who as all but a few inches of his johnson's 11million mile length in another dimension (if I recall the details correctly).

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  218. As a geek I am glad it was $29. by crovira · · Score: 1

    But as a geek, I'm glad it came out anyway.

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  219. uncool? maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but I get a free copy of Windows 7 Ultimate out of the deal so I'm really not complaining

  220. 770 comments... by ebbomega · · Score: 1

    ... and you people think this is a FAILED marketing campaign?

    Sounds to me they got just the amount of exposure they wanted.

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  221. Re:Clock! by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

    I can't access hulu, as I'm in Germany, you insensitive clod. ;)

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  222. Do the right thing: by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

    Flag the video as "Violent or repulsive content > Shocking or disgusting content"!

    I did. If we are enough, perhaps they really take it down. Let's Slashdot it!

    Disabling comments and ratings? Bah. Not with us!

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  223. Re:Clock! by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    I'm a very sensitive clod. All the jocks told me so.

    I assumed that you had figured how to view it remotely through a proxy layer. I cut grass too, so I'd still be on your lawn.

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  224. Either that or we need a new word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe. I bet your analysis is spot on, and they're congratulating themselves even now. But then, even the best can completely screw up now and then, and I think this is one of those times.

    So, we need a new word, as no existing word effectively conveys such miscalculation - the climax of their joyful efforts have resulted in something quite unbearable to watch. Therefore, I nominate "shitgasm".

    - T

  225. Ditto the "happy" tv commercial by FredMenace · · Score: 1

    I just saw the "Windows 7 Happy" commercial on TV with that young asian girl ("more happiness is coming") ...simply nauseating. The girl is cute, but it is so manipulated and contrived it is just repulsive. I haven't had such a negative reaction to a TV ad in years. (And I'm not anti-Microsoft particularly - I use Windows almost exclusively both at home and work.)

  226. Some Things Never Change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A few years back they ran an MSN marketing campaign featuring this really dorky butterfly guy. It was pretty clear at that point AOL had little to fear from MSN.

  227. Re:(OT commentary)Re:The best way to use windows . by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

    I have to say, writing a loop to do this is anything but intuitive.

    I agree it's surprising that DOS commands can't achieve even a simple move as commands per se, and I would add that the nature of the 'move' and 'copy' commands makes it is obvious that a loop (ie. a "simplistic script") is required. And isn't that what I was saying above? At the point that scripting becomes necessary I won't bother using DOS when there are better tools readily at hand.

    Yes this probably reflects my level of DOS ignorance and my familiarity with other tools more than anything else. And I admit that for this minimal example it's probably just as easy to write it as a one-line on the terminal as OP posted (on bash and ksh, I write for loops all the time). But the issue here is not whether this particular example can be writen as a one-liner, it's that simple stuff that a bare command will do on a unix shell already require a loop on DOS. And that means that when you come to do more complicated stuff you're already at least one level behind.

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  228. It Takes A LOT... by denmarkw00t · · Score: 1

    but I could only stand 1 minute 40 seconds before I RAGED. WTF. Seriously, somebody hand Microsoft's marketing department a bunch of pink slips and a dead fish, this STINKS.

  229. Host Notes created on a Mac? by josephcmiller2 · · Score: 1

    OK, so the file name for the Host Notes was "Host Notes - Help & How-to.indd" - tags show file was created in Adobe InDesign CS3 (5.0.4), from file path file:///tmp/All-Parties-All%20Themes.pdf Uh, where's the C:? Last I checked, Windows didn't have a /tmp volume. Haha, Windows 7 party so lame, the party planners wouldn't even use the damn OS.