Oh man, THREE Russian names. Has anyone ever told you how clever you are? Disagreeing with someone politically and accusing them of being a foreign troll, wow. That's like, super funny and original. You must be a writer for Jimmy Kimmel or something.
All of the above. Plus I'm located at the south pole.
Has it occurred to you yet that it makes more sense that you're the Russian spy troll sent here to make progressives look even more dumb?
It's about time someone figured that out. And your statement is silly, because I wouldn't have to figure anything out. Just call me Afonasii, and Vashe zrodovye!
Although the clue is reall trolls seldom answer questions like yours, Grigori. Just sayin'
And the Falcon Heavy has not done a full burn, putting it in the same category as the Saturn V.
This whole thread is poorly obfuscated unjustified hero worship.
ExactlyP
Its like a religion, or at best a stupid Ford Versus Chevy argument.
The Falcon series of Rockets are pretty darn awesome, I'm pissed that I made it down to Florida the freaking day after the freaking thing was freaking launched.
But for cying out loud, people making up stuff like the Saturn 5 rocket in KSC isn't applicable because it isn't fueled and ready to launch and the Falcon 9 is - is just sad.
I love the space rockets, from the workhorse reliable and beautiful Soyuz line, to the Arianes, the Energia, Japanese and Chinese rockets, the Falcons and the coming SLS.
But to date, the monster rocket, the Saturn 5, is the champ of putting weight into orbit.
This isn't love for one over another, just a statement of fact.
disclaimer, my two favorite rockets are the beautiful and reliable Soyuz, and the balls to the wall brute monster, the Saturn 5. We can argue about favorites, but it's hard to argue about thrust and weight to LEO or beyond - if that is the purpose - without sounding silly.
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"Only the Saturn V moon rocket, last flown in 1973, delivered more payload to orbit"
Scroll down a little on that page. Graphic has Falcon Heavy, Space Shuttle, Proton M, Delta IV Heavy, Titan IV-B, Ariane 5 ES, Atlas V551, the Japanese H2B, and the Chinese LM3B.
As I've noted before, the Heavy is going to be a fine launch vehicle. Unfortunately the zealots are like SJW's, unless blind religious support is given, they try to turn you into an enemy of Spacex.
Where the propaganda that the Falcon Heavy is the most powerful Rocket ever flown comes from is unknown - it is simply not true. The champ is still the Saturn V monster.
I've never seen propaganda which states that the Falcon Heavy is the most powerful rocket ever flown. But I have seen propaganda that it is the most powerful operational rocket (i.e. currently being used). SpaceX even states "Only the Saturn V moon rocket, last flown in 1973, delivered more payload to orbit"
You must not have read some of the posts in here claiming just that.
I've seen the most powerful Rocket on the planet. It's on display at KSC. The Falcon heavy is 63,800 to LEO. The Rocket I saw could do 140,000 kg to LEO. That would be the Saturn V.
This is a latitudinal time shifting mechanism, employed for the same reason we have the longitudinal time shifting mechanism of time zones. DST is a tweak in the system that adjusts for latitude. It is no less logical than time zones.
I don't get this. Here up north (Denmark), we don't get enough sunlight in the morning all through the winter, resulting in winter depression for a lot of people. Then when it finally starts getting brighter, we mess with the clocks and it's dark again.
On top of that, it gets dark an hour later in the summer, so getting a good night of sleep becomes virtually impossible.
Who ever came up with this idea that depression and lack of sleep would be a good thing?
DST isn't about seasonal affective disorder. Its about time shifting to adjust daylight hours into a productive region of the day. Your worry about light/dark cycles has a problem. It is going to change whether we mess with the time the clocks. So assuming you are in Copenhagen, astronomical twilight starts at around 0350 A.M. That's pretty early. And for SAD, the daylight at the winter solstice is over 10 hours shorter than the same at the summer solstice.
Most powerful rocket in flight today, not ever.
Granted, the ever part is generally left off so people may not know how much more powerful the Saturn 5 and 1 or 2 other rockets were.
I'm a fan of Musk, but if you go to their web page, they conveniently omit the Saturn V in their rocket comparison.
If you really want to be fair, you can say in this case Musk's approach is to crawl, announce that you've won a marathon, walk and then run.
No. What he keeps doing is announcing that he's going to win the marathon, setting a record time, in cheaper shoes that perform better then the best from Nike, Asics or Adidas.
Well, I'm not quite certain of that. I suppose if you hate Musk enough, all of those things have been said.
But Spacex is doing a lot to reduce to practice the business of getting around in Space. That he is a visionary probably seems strange in an age of our heros being Hollywood actors, and billionairs who make money by sitting in a closet with other billionairs and selling their hats to each other.
He's inspired. And just like other inspired people, he's a tad eccentric. Which also is an issue, especially those who demand people conform or be cast out.
But back to the rockets. Yeah, these things are reducing to practice the groundwork that NASA and Roscosmos and the ESA have laid. Look at it like a stable where you bring out th ehorse that is suited for the job. The smaller rockets are suited for a certain weight of payload, and are a lot cheaper. The Falcon 9 heavy will be able to launch heavier yet payloads, and when the Raptor comes along it should be interesting. I'm curious about the BFR system, but seems to be in a state of flux at the moment.
But yeah, if you really need something heavy lifted, you'll want the SLS. But you definitely don't want it for less than balls to the wall heavy lifting work. That was one of the reasons that the Saturn 1B "Milk Stool" was placed on Pad 39 to launch the Skylab and Soyuz Missions after the regular Saturn 1B pads were decommissioned. A Saturn V just had too much shit and git for the payload and orbit.
Each rocket has it's purpose, and you might not like him, but Musk has a vision and is willing to back it up.
He already owns the most powerful rocket on the planet, so he's won a marathon. This is about plans for the next one.
I've seen the most powerful Rocket on the planet. It's on display at KSC. The Falcon heavy is 63,800 to LEO. The Rocket I saw could do 140,000 kg to LEO. That would be the Saturn V.
The N1 would have been slightly more thrust in the first stage, allowing for a shorter first stage burn, but had a lower weight to LEO than the Saturn V. Regardless it never had a successful launch.
Where the propaganda that the Falcon Heavy is the most powerful Rocket ever flown comes from is unknown - it is simply not true. The champ is still the Saturn V monster.
You wouldn't have to worry about that. The debris would still be in a low earth orbit (or at the very least) an orbit that crosses its current orbit, so the debris would all come back down to Earth in short order.
I'm assuming the main reason that shooting it down isn't being talked about is because if you hit it, the end result would be just breaking it apart, and the components that would survive re-entry would be not be broken up and thus would still survive re-entry.
One of the issues with destruction of an object like a space station is that we get particles moving in many directions at many speeds. Not only the space station, but what destroyed it. So some will be boosted higher in orbit a bit, some will be decelerated and enter thicker atmosphere and be destroyed or make it to earth sooner. Anyhow, I'm in agreement that a lot of debris is not going to be all that helpful and the safest bet is on it hitting water as is.
Let's not over-complicate this. The main alternative to DST is standard time (no DST). Arizona does it and it works just fine. It's not worse, it's better.
Yes, if you are from a state closer to the equator, I suppose Daylight Savings time seems like the dumbest idea ever to come down the pike. Then again, the further north or south of the equator you go, the better DST sounds.
In the summer, we're looking at some incredibly early sunrises, There can be 4 hours of daylight before the alarm goes off. And in the winter, you have the opposite problem.
This is a latitudinal time shifting mechanism, employed for the same reason we have the longitudinal time shifting mechanism of time zones. DST is a tweak in the system that adjusts for latitude. It is no less logical than time zones.
But citizens! There is an alternative that has been around for quite a while. 24 hour Zulu time. If the arbitrary time zones and DST is a matter too onerous to face, just go Zulu time. I know that it might get weird with the date at odd time for people's circadian rhythms, but hey, why not? In Arizona, the time it goes to the next day will be 5 in the evening, right when people get off work.
I actually use Zulu a lot. Then switch back and forth to local times as needed, like when I need to call someone across the country at a time I can get hold of them, or need to understand where a place is in the day/night cycle to use RF propagation effects.
But to the original point, DST was implemented fr a reason, and is more important the further away from the equator we get.
But citizens, there is an alternative.
There you are, trying to divide us into warring camps again. We are all Americans. We stand together, strong, against those who would divide us. You are either a paid shill or an unpaid agent of Moscow. Either way, you're the enemy of the American people, Ivan.
Side thought: this whole controversy is a side effect of Google/Youtube becoming ubiquitous. They're going to regret driving so many folks to seek alternatives.
Exactly. It isn't terribly unusual for an outfit to become so big that they believe then can enforce their social and financial view upon the world. So in trying to make their largely male audience toe some line they have set up, they are opening the exit door , and providing an opportunity for people of a less restrictive outlook to intrude upon their ubiquity. Their choice, really. Kicking off simple opposing viewpoints while some real nasties are still there.
Cut out the fucking neo-redbaiting xenophobe crap, guy.
That is how you reduce the trolls to make their trolling ineffectual. Scorched earth policy When you troll the trolls, you turn their weapons against them. Tovarish. MAGA baby!
Thos are puoprposeful acts, and believe me brother I declare those acts of war.
Yeah but they're not. I realise that since you don't care about spelling and grammar you also probably don't care about legal niceties but everyone else does.
You see, it all depenedds on hoo is in powur. Unless you are in powur, you can whine and moan about what others decide, and it won't make a bit of difference.
This speling issue you have wit me, thakns for letwing mi no it iz gettnig ndur you sken.
Seriously Boris, troll better, or else risk a visit to the black dolphin.
Foreigners interfering in elections isn't an 'act of war' though, otherwise Mexico would have declared war on the US each time a Mexican citizen illegally voted in a US election.
No you don't get it. The howaboutism states that it is okay for Russians to interfer with American elections bvecause Americans interfer with Russian elections. Thos are puoprposeful acts, and believe me brother I declare those acts of war.
And since you continue to engage in howaboutism, I suggest you move to Russia, or wherever it is that suits your hoawboutism. You can call me a hypocrite if you wish, but regard this, if I were in power, and you were in Moscow, you would be enjoying a very early, hot and short summer.
He said they have been dormant, because usually testing them creates problematic debris in orbit. He is proposing that as it descends further, it might be a chance to use them for something useful and also not have extra debris in orbit.
That's kind of assuming that the satellite killers will be of much use. They aren't usually designed to make a direct hit, but even if they are, aren't going to take out the heavy stuff like fuel tanks.
Now thaat being said, If I was affiliated with the chinese, I would approve of another country nailing the space station on the way down. That means that anything that lands on an unfortunate location has now become the responsibility of whoever blew it apart on the way down, and altered the trajectory of the debris.
Both the US and China have ground (or in our case Fighter Jet) launched systems capable of destroying a satellite. If it's re-entering in two weeks then it's destruction won't contribute to Kessler syndrome. I'm sure either county is just dying to exercise this system as it's been mostly dormant for the last year.
In orbit destruction is just about the last thing you want to do.
While space powers have the ability to destroy satellites, an operation that is pretty simple in fact, the very act makes a terrible mess, and a big satellite like the Chinese space station will make a hellava lot of debris.
Getting enough of this debris in orbit will make the LEO neighborhood pretty much unusable, and enough of it will act as a barrier to anything trying to get through.
There is a well known axiom that our first war in space will be our last one for a long time, until most of the debris de-orbits.
Strategically the only real option is to let the thing de-orbit it self, and let the shit fall where it may.
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Oh man, THREE Russian names. Has anyone ever told you how clever you are? Disagreeing with someone politically and accusing them of being a foreign troll, wow. That's like, super funny and original. You must be a writer for Jimmy Kimmel or something.
All of the above. Plus I'm located at the south pole.
Has it occurred to you yet that it makes more sense that you're the Russian spy troll sent here to make progressives look even more dumb?
It's about time someone figured that out. And your statement is silly, because I wouldn't have to figure anything out. Just call me Afonasii, and Vashe zrodovye!
Although the clue is reall trolls seldom answer questions like yours, Grigori. Just sayin'
Just hug your waifu pillow over your face covering your eyes with it
So the first diverse CIA director ever who is being nominated IN THE MONTH OF THE WOMAN is being demonized on Slashdot I see?
Well Boris, I suppose if the qualification for the job was being a woman, that might be evidence of misogyny if people question it. But it isn't
So all whataboutism aside Ivan, We might look at this as true equality, where a woman is judged on her merits, not her gender.
And there are some questions there. See how equality works......Petra?
And the Falcon Heavy has not done a full burn, putting it in the same category as the Saturn V.
This whole thread is poorly obfuscated unjustified hero worship.
ExactlyP Its like a religion, or at best a stupid Ford Versus Chevy argument.
The Falcon series of Rockets are pretty darn awesome, I'm pissed that I made it down to Florida the freaking day after the freaking thing was freaking launched.
But for cying out loud, people making up stuff like the Saturn 5 rocket in KSC isn't applicable because it isn't fueled and ready to launch and the Falcon 9 is - is just sad.
I love the space rockets, from the workhorse reliable and beautiful Soyuz line, to the Arianes, the Energia, Japanese and Chinese rockets, the Falcons and the coming SLS.
But to date, the monster rocket, the Saturn 5, is the champ of putting weight into orbit.
This isn't love for one over another, just a statement of fact. disclaimer, my two favorite rockets are the beautiful and reliable Soyuz, and the balls to the wall brute monster, the Saturn 5. We can argue about favorites, but it's hard to argue about thrust and weight to LEO or beyond - if that is the purpose - without sounding silly.
That's what black electrical tape is for.
The following is from http://www.spacex.com/falcon-h...
"Only the Saturn V moon rocket, last flown in 1973, delivered more payload to orbit"
Scroll down a little on that page. Graphic has Falcon Heavy, Space Shuttle, Proton M, Delta IV Heavy, Titan IV-B, Ariane 5 ES, Atlas V551, the Japanese H2B, and the Chinese LM3B. As I've noted before, the Heavy is going to be a fine launch vehicle. Unfortunately the zealots are like SJW's, unless blind religious support is given, they try to turn you into an enemy of Spacex.
Where the propaganda that the Falcon Heavy is the most powerful Rocket ever flown comes from is unknown - it is simply not true. The champ is still the Saturn V monster.
I've never seen propaganda which states that the Falcon Heavy is the most powerful rocket ever flown. But I have seen propaganda that it is the most powerful operational rocket (i.e. currently being used). SpaceX even states "Only the Saturn V moon rocket, last flown in 1973, delivered more payload to orbit"
You must not have read some of the posts in here claiming just that.
I've seen the most powerful Rocket on the planet. It's on display at KSC. The Falcon heavy is 63,800 to LEO. The Rocket I saw could do 140,000 kg to LEO. That would be the Saturn V.
Please don't forget Energia. 110,000 kg to LEO.
Roger that one as well.
There are no launchable Saturn 5s in existence.
But the Falcon Heavy is.
So the Saturn 5 never existed? That it is no longer in production means it isn't the most powerful rocket?
A distinction that is meaningless. An unfueled roicket of any type isn't launchable.
This is a latitudinal time shifting mechanism, employed for the same reason we have the longitudinal time shifting mechanism of time zones. DST is a tweak in the system that adjusts for latitude. It is no less logical than time zones.
I don't get this. Here up north (Denmark), we don't get enough sunlight in the morning all through the winter, resulting in winter depression for a lot of people. Then when it finally starts getting brighter, we mess with the clocks and it's dark again.
On top of that, it gets dark an hour later in the summer, so getting a good night of sleep becomes virtually impossible.
Who ever came up with this idea that depression and lack of sleep would be a good thing?
DST isn't about seasonal affective disorder. Its about time shifting to adjust daylight hours into a productive region of the day. Your worry about light/dark cycles has a problem. It is going to change whether we mess with the time the clocks. So assuming you are in Copenhagen, astronomical twilight starts at around 0350 A.M. That's pretty early. And for SAD, the daylight at the winter solstice is over 10 hours shorter than the same at the summer solstice.
The Rocket I saw could do 140,000 kg to LEO. That would be the Saturn V.
So, the most powerful rocket on the planet is the one without fuel?
So you don't define a rocket as a rocket unless it is fueled? That's an interesting distinction.
Most powerful rocket in flight today, not ever. Granted, the ever part is generally left off so people may not know how much more powerful the Saturn 5 and 1 or 2 other rockets were.
I'm a fan of Musk, but if you go to their web page, they conveniently omit the Saturn V in their rocket comparison.
If you really want to be fair, you can say in this case Musk's approach is to crawl, announce that you've won a marathon, walk and then run.
No. What he keeps doing is announcing that he's going to win the marathon, setting a record time, in cheaper shoes that perform better then the best from Nike, Asics or Adidas.
Well, I'm not quite certain of that. I suppose if you hate Musk enough, all of those things have been said.
But Spacex is doing a lot to reduce to practice the business of getting around in Space. That he is a visionary probably seems strange in an age of our heros being Hollywood actors, and billionairs who make money by sitting in a closet with other billionairs and selling their hats to each other.
He's inspired. And just like other inspired people, he's a tad eccentric. Which also is an issue, especially those who demand people conform or be cast out.
But back to the rockets. Yeah, these things are reducing to practice the groundwork that NASA and Roscosmos and the ESA have laid. Look at it like a stable where you bring out th ehorse that is suited for the job. The smaller rockets are suited for a certain weight of payload, and are a lot cheaper. The Falcon 9 heavy will be able to launch heavier yet payloads, and when the Raptor comes along it should be interesting. I'm curious about the BFR system, but seems to be in a state of flux at the moment.
But yeah, if you really need something heavy lifted, you'll want the SLS. But you definitely don't want it for less than balls to the wall heavy lifting work. That was one of the reasons that the Saturn 1B "Milk Stool" was placed on Pad 39 to launch the Skylab and Soyuz Missions after the regular Saturn 1B pads were decommissioned. A Saturn V just had too much shit and git for the payload and orbit.
Each rocket has it's purpose, and you might not like him, but Musk has a vision and is willing to back it up.
He already owns the most powerful rocket on the planet, so he's won a marathon. This is about plans for the next one.
I've seen the most powerful Rocket on the planet. It's on display at KSC. The Falcon heavy is 63,800 to LEO. The Rocket I saw could do 140,000 kg to LEO. That would be the Saturn V.
The N1 would have been slightly more thrust in the first stage, allowing for a shorter first stage burn, but had a lower weight to LEO than the Saturn V. Regardless it never had a successful launch.
Where the propaganda that the Falcon Heavy is the most powerful Rocket ever flown comes from is unknown - it is simply not true. The champ is still the Saturn V monster.
MAGA baby!
Good luck with that friend.
Whoosh.
You wouldn't have to worry about that. The debris would still be in a low earth orbit (or at the very least) an orbit that crosses its current orbit, so the debris would all come back down to Earth in short order.
I'm assuming the main reason that shooting it down isn't being talked about is because if you hit it, the end result would be just breaking it apart, and the components that would survive re-entry would be not be broken up and thus would still survive re-entry.
One of the issues with destruction of an object like a space station is that we get particles moving in many directions at many speeds. Not only the space station, but what destroyed it. So some will be boosted higher in orbit a bit, some will be decelerated and enter thicker atmosphere and be destroyed or make it to earth sooner. Anyhow, I'm in agreement that a lot of debris is not going to be all that helpful and the safest bet is on it hitting water as is.
Let's not over-complicate this. The main alternative to DST is standard time (no DST). Arizona does it and it works just fine. It's not worse, it's better.
Yes, if you are from a state closer to the equator, I suppose Daylight Savings time seems like the dumbest idea ever to come down the pike. Then again, the further north or south of the equator you go, the better DST sounds.
In the summer, we're looking at some incredibly early sunrises, There can be 4 hours of daylight before the alarm goes off. And in the winter, you have the opposite problem.
This is a latitudinal time shifting mechanism, employed for the same reason we have the longitudinal time shifting mechanism of time zones. DST is a tweak in the system that adjusts for latitude. It is no less logical than time zones.
But citizens! There is an alternative that has been around for quite a while. 24 hour Zulu time. If the arbitrary time zones and DST is a matter too onerous to face, just go Zulu time. I know that it might get weird with the date at odd time for people's circadian rhythms, but hey, why not? In Arizona, the time it goes to the next day will be 5 in the evening, right when people get off work.
I actually use Zulu a lot. Then switch back and forth to local times as needed, like when I need to call someone across the country at a time I can get hold of them, or need to understand where a place is in the day/night cycle to use RF propagation effects.
But to the original point, DST was implemented fr a reason, and is more important the further away from the equator we get. But citizens, there is an alternative.
There you are, trying to divide us into warring camps again. We are all Americans. We stand together, strong, against those who would divide us. You are either a paid shill or an unpaid agent of Moscow. Either way, you're the enemy of the American people, Ivan.
How did you guess my name?
Side thought: this whole controversy is a side effect of Google/Youtube becoming ubiquitous. They're going to regret driving so many folks to seek alternatives.
Exactly. It isn't terribly unusual for an outfit to become so big that they believe then can enforce their social and financial view upon the world. So in trying to make their largely male audience toe some line they have set up, they are opening the exit door , and providing an opportunity for people of a less restrictive outlook to intrude upon their ubiquity. Their choice, really. Kicking off simple opposing viewpoints while some real nasties are still there.
Cut out the fucking neo-redbaiting xenophobe crap, guy.
That is how you reduce the trolls to make their trolling ineffectual. Scorched earth policy When you troll the trolls, you turn their weapons against them. Tovarish. MAGA baby!
Thos are puoprposeful acts, and believe me brother I declare those acts of war.
Yeah but they're not. I realise that since you don't care about spelling and grammar you also probably don't care about legal niceties but everyone else does.
You see, it all depenedds on hoo is in powur. Unless you are in powur, you can whine and moan about what others decide, and it won't make a bit of difference.
This speling issue you have wit me, thakns for letwing mi no it iz gettnig ndur you sken. Seriously Boris, troll better, or else risk a visit to the black dolphin.
Foreigners interfering in elections isn't an 'act of war' though, otherwise Mexico would have declared war on the US each time a Mexican citizen illegally voted in a US election.
No you don't get it. The howaboutism states that it is okay for Russians to interfer with American elections bvecause Americans interfer with Russian elections. Thos are puoprposeful acts, and believe me brother I declare those acts of war.
And since you continue to engage in howaboutism, I suggest you move to Russia, or wherever it is that suits your hoawboutism. You can call me a hypocrite if you wish, but regard this, if I were in power, and you were in Moscow, you would be enjoying a very early, hot and short summer.
Awating your next howaboutism, tovarish.
He said they have been dormant, because usually testing them creates problematic debris in orbit. He is proposing that as it descends further, it might be a chance to use them for something useful and also not have extra debris in orbit.
That's kind of assuming that the satellite killers will be of much use. They aren't usually designed to make a direct hit, but even if they are, aren't going to take out the heavy stuff like fuel tanks.
Now thaat being said, If I was affiliated with the chinese, I would approve of another country nailing the space station on the way down. That means that anything that lands on an unfortunate location has now become the responsibility of whoever blew it apart on the way down, and altered the trajectory of the debris.
Both the US and China have ground (or in our case Fighter Jet) launched systems capable of destroying a satellite. If it's re-entering in two weeks then it's destruction won't contribute to Kessler syndrome. I'm sure either county is just dying to exercise this system as it's been mostly dormant for the last year.
In orbit destruction is just about the last thing you want to do.
While space powers have the ability to destroy satellites, an operation that is pretty simple in fact, the very act makes a terrible mess, and a big satellite like the Chinese space station will make a hellava lot of debris.
Getting enough of this debris in orbit will make the LEO neighborhood pretty much unusable, and enough of it will act as a barrier to anything trying to get through.
There is a well known axiom that our first war in space will be our last one for a long time, until most of the debris de-orbits.
Strategically the only real option is to let the thing de-orbit it self, and let the shit fall where it may.