What I am is driven. I have a much higher drive than most people. Obsessive compulsive Disorder doesn't remotely fit.
Yes, GP was making a foolish, reductive, and uninformed diagnosis.
I have found in over 30 years in the workforce, that a person with drive is often a pariah among some folks. There is a common attribute. They are lazy. They are upset that a more productive person has come along and forced them to work harder just to try to keep up.
But I do get tired of hearing J. Random Slashdot Idiot pontificate on how "everyone" has particular needs, and failing to perceive those needs is self-deception or a mental disorder.
Another thing I've found is that people with actual mental disorders aren't often very productive.
It's funny how people who are obsessive compulsive workers don't ever realize they have a problem. Not trying to be insulting, but you sir have obsessive compulsive disorder.
What I am is driven. I have a much higher drive than most people. Obsessive compulsive Disorder doesn't remotely fit. Obsessive behavior involves often repeating the same task over and over again, Some of us joke about it a bit and call them "toaster checkers". In fact, people with OCD usually have a specific task they repeat, like washing hands, did the lock the house when leaving - and obsessive thoughts. OCD gets well in the way of productivity.
And before you go to Obsessive personality order, my "magic" is being able to function in very chaotic environments.
If I have any issues with thought process, I can get way too analytical, about thinks others just accept, trying to analyze why say, I find Sophia Vergara so incredibly hot, while I tend to find tall slender women attractive. I'm going to stop that line of thought now.
Its just that in American culture, yours is the only type of obsessive compulsive behavior to not be labeled that way by most people. People even brag about having this condition, lol.
I could be a lot of things, but that just doesn't fit.
1. Repeat your post verbatim to a psychologist and ask him/her if they think you might have a problem. I think you might be in for a surprise.
Aren't people with mental disorders usually kinda unhappy about their lives? Or is that the problem - I need to see a shrink so I can lose my drive? What's in that for me?
2. Ask yourself if this is the way you want your children to live. You might be telling yourself you're doing all this for them, but if they take your example and live life like you do - chances are they'll be miserable. (assuming they are not also OCD)
People are all different. I do what I do because I am happy doing it. My son isn't like me, and that's fine by me. He's living his life, and getting reasonably far ahead in his way. I don't hurt anyone or myself, and am a fully functioning member of society. Anyone having a problem with that is beyond my ability to help.
I doubt that my kids will ever have a cable-tv cord to cut. They are part of the cable-never generation.
Any gain will be temporary, as Ajit Pai and his owners and handlers turn the internet into Cable TV mod two, with multi tier service, yearly double digit price inflation, and if you want the fast speeds, we have the ultra Patriotic rate of 500 dollars a month, with hundresd of high quality entertainment channels as part of the package. Featuring the Honey Boo-Boo network.
There will be a basic rate of 75 dollars a month that will be at 56K modem speed, and a 100 Megabyte cap.
People often don't understand just how much those little things add up. A lot of little expenses every day. A 5 dollar Starbucks coffee every day adds up to over 1800 dollars a year. Get something to much on can drive that wll over 2K. 20 K over a decade.
Coupled with it being shit coffee, it's bad personal finance.
Not to mention that most of those coffee houses serve absolute crap for coffee
That must be an American thing. Though I have to agree the only truly bad coffee I've had at a coffee shop was at a Starbucks.
Starbucks coffee tastes muddy and moldy. And brewed overly strong. Maybe that's why beople get stupid in the way they want it as well. Keep putting more stuff in it until it numbs teh tongue, maybe? I prefer wither black or a bit of half and half, and two equals.
If I'm feeling nostalgic, I'll sub evaporated milk for the half and half, because that's how my grandmother made coffee for us when I was a little kid.
Finally someone who makes sense. Most people who don't commit themselves to mastering their profession become masters of the couch and tv universe. You do not master much working a few or 6 hours a day.
And just watch how what I wrote enrages some folks. Someone already was pissed enough to write asking me if I didn't have someone to talk to in real life.
Rather than my simple "no" answer, I simply go to Slashdot every morning when I'm out to breakfast. I allow that entertainment while I eat.
I guess the missing detail here is most people posting have horrible jobs, with only a pay check and barely the authority to take a piss on demand.
That is very likely true, and they have my sympathy.
Every single person I've crossed in employment and business who bring up this cliche are filling their free time consuming media and or food. They are typically not very intelligent or ambitious. Thus no surprise they recon 6 hours of productivity is scientifically reasonable.
For all intents and purposes most people are simply just that..most people, not much going on up top, so makes sense for them to protest to ridiculously short amounts of commitment to employment.
Yes couch jedi master the iced tea and cookies are strong in this one.
Yeah, that's pretty sad. What I think is a problem is that we have allowed a lowest common denominator approach to life. Somewhere, somehow, productivity has become bad, and the goal is to be as unproductive as you possibly can. Thinking is bad, and success is measured as how little you think. I can only imagine how Thomas Edison would be crucified today for his work ethic.
And this reality Television approach to life and living is showing.
Even TFS makes the detriment to health very clear, and I have zero fucking desire to hand over half a century of retirement nest egg to the Medical Industrial Complex. I guarantee that maintaining good physical and mental health will become your most valuable asset later in life.
So much depends on the individual. An 8 hour day to me is just like getting started. I've always been this way. Hell, I'm retired now and work more than 8 hours a day. Actual work - not puttering.
Wanna know what I find stressful? Not doing stuff.
This will probably drive people nuts, but I work in my dreams. I dream solutions to problems I'm working on. Nothing to start your day off on a high note like figuring out a solution
And I sleep 5 hours a day, and that's my limit, which for some reason enrages some people.
Now I have no doubt that there are bad physical effects for those who's jobs consist of all hard physical labor. That's a lot of physical wear and tear. But from a lifetime of working with so called normal people, what I believe is harming them is stress brought on by mental boohooing about how rough they have it with being put upon to work extra.
The only stress I ever felt when I was working extra hours was when there was a possibility that the work wouldn't be finished on time. I think that happened maybe once every 10 years. A lot of people want to work as little as possible, and find every day stressful. And that's a shame.
Besides, humans better start accepting a 20-hour workweek as normal, especially as automation and AI march on to decimate human employment.
I agree on the basic premise. I wonder though - would new studies come out declaring that a ten hour week is healthier as the stresses of the 20 hour work week is "shown" to kill people? Meantime, I'm going to do stuff like I always did stuff, because I gotta do stuff - I derive happiness from it.
Yep, and what happened back then? They moved the culture until all anti fascist voices in Germany were outside the realm of 'acceptable discourse', just like pro Nazi comments are on Cloudflare. The best defense against totalitarian ideals is free speech, where all discourse is acceptable.
It also gives law enforcement a much easier task of keeping an eye on them.
It was mostly for international trade, so if you didn't have enough gold. You would sell stuff to other countries and then have more gold for yourself. Or just mine the stuff, it's not like there is a fixed amount of gold.
Because we've had no more booms and busts since then?
You might want to look it up. at one time, the US was in a long period of booms and busts on around a 2 year cycle.
My understanding is that wild camels do not appear over the horizon in that way; they follow the natural contours of the land and you wouldn't see them from a distance at all unless you were on high ground.
What's your deal. Are you a tool of the bankers or just a tool?
I asked first, and never got an answer. You don't have to be a tool of the bankers to understand that arguing "He would know" as crimson tsunami wrote when referring to Blankfein and Dimon, which in howaboutism land is diminishing their statement, is actually giving credence to their statement as would occur in the real world. I'm just trying to figure out which world we were operating in.
Since that question was never answered, I'm left with assuming that it was whataboutism.
Why couldn't Windows ASK ME if it was a good time to install this shit? Unbelievable. The fucking idiots at Microsoft have no clue how people use their computers.
Exactly - todays insane Windows experience in action. I had a choice on when to update to this latest so called creators update, but not always. Its like some kind of random process. And looks like they reinstall the entire
Have you had any programs or drivers uninstalled or changed yet? I have a Software Defined Radio that uses ethernet router or direct ethernet to connect to my computer. It has digital audio exchange so that you don't need separate audio cables as well as a virtual serial port (some dumbass legacy from old computer to radio control systems that they can't get away from. Pretty neat, a server with an RF front end.
I have a Windows 7 machine on which it all works perfectly, never a problem. My Windows 10 computer breaks the software on every update, necessitating me to use Revo to dig everything out of it and reinstall, then it works perfectly until the next update. For some reason, Windows refuses to play nicely with the driver, asserts authority, and boom, it quits working.
This is definitely huge blunder, but a SNAFU? Because it stands for "Situation Normal - All Fucked Up" and implies something happens all the time, which is not the case here.
That's the origin, all right; however, since surfacing in WWII it's morphed from an acronym to a noun that means "a badly confused or ridiculously muddled situation". Seems appropriate in this case.
To the point where it has become a SNAFU, amirite?
This is definitely huge blunder, but a SNAFU? Because it stands for "Situation Normal - All Fucked Up" and implies something happens all the time, which is not the case here. Sure, the FaceID debacle happened relatively recently, but these kinds of security fuck-ups are a regular thing even for Apple.
Situation normal whataboutism runs rampant.
The same people who seem to have Stockholm syndrome about their Windows machines problems will suffer premature ejaculation over a Mac problem.
Having both OSs , this issue notwithstanding, MacOS is a lot safer.
Now I do have a few issues with High Sierra, the ease with which you could encrypt an external drive like say a thumbdrive has changed from utter simplicity to a major "What the flaming hell?" is one, but compared with the Windows 10 update mess, where it seeminlgy randomly uninstalls operating drivers and replaces them with non-operating drivers of it's own, Apple remains the winner.
My biggest issue is that upon update, My Final Cut Studio and Sound programs were no longer operational. I have to spend th ebucks to get new versions. Apparently shows the proof that you only rent software when perfectly functioning software doesn't function any more. as an improvement.
I think we are in an age of decreasing computer function however.
None of these are fiat money. They are all examples of money that people accepted voluntarily. Fiat money is that which government compels us to accept in lieu of things that we value.
A difference without a distinction. It's almost like you are saying that Native Americans or the Yap Islanders had no government. Economists are also very interested in the Rai system, given it's similarity to modern money. http://www.ancient-origins.net...
People accept it as money, their government accepts it as money, so it is money.
Gold has many properties that make it an excellent money commodity. Go and look up what they are before you embarrass yourself further.
-jcr
Um, exactly when did this become a commodity discussion instead of a currency discussion? Of course Gold is a commodity, it has many uses in electronics and lasers and telescopy and biology. Handy stuff to have around the house. So do a lot of other metals.Gold was a basis for currency long before many of these known uses.
Now if you wish, we can go back to using gold as a basis for currency.
The gold standard of economic systems demands that outside of actually handing over a specific amount of gold for a purchase, you have paper or coin that can be exchanged for an equivalent value of gold upon demand. Coupled with bimetallism which includes two metals as a standard, with fixed values of each - Originally 15:1 - it gets pretty messy when market pressures change one in relation to the other. This indeed happened with the silver certificates that came about after the US dumped bimetallism. Messy indeed, even if it gave the US some pretty cool looking bills.
The problem with using say Gold as the basis of a monetary system is that we only have so much of it. The old school set value of 35 dollars an ounce was a bit of a joke, as under a gold standard, what do you think would happen if everyone demanded their dollars worth of gold? If a standard adheres rigidly to currency = amount of the standard, nothing happens, unless more is mined.
The silliness reached a peak when we entered the age of a non-convertable gold standard, then a convertible only by banks but not citizens after World War 2.
What is amazing is that some folks would like to return to the old boom and bust cycle that the old gold and bimetallic standards in their various forms were a part of - read the history of this.
Which returns me to my original point, that all money standards are fiat, or if that word causes you great umbrage - exchange it with "made up". Gold or Calcite, its all made up.
Slashdot Mirror
Nobody keeps you from giving us a better explanation for the increasing number and severity of natural disasters.
We're waiting.
Cthulhu is preparing his triumphant return with the Eldritch horrors?
What I am is driven. I have a much higher drive than most people. Obsessive compulsive Disorder doesn't remotely fit.
Yes, GP was making a foolish, reductive, and uninformed diagnosis.
I have found in over 30 years in the workforce, that a person with drive is often a pariah among some folks. There is a common attribute. They are lazy. They are upset that a more productive person has come along and forced them to work harder just to try to keep up.
But I do get tired of hearing J. Random Slashdot Idiot pontificate on how "everyone" has particular needs, and failing to perceive those needs is self-deception or a mental disorder.
Another thing I've found is that people with actual mental disorders aren't often very productive.
The internet cowboys who built the internet in the first place will come in on the municipal fibre systems and offer un-metered bandwidth.
That will probably be made illegal.
It's funny how people who are obsessive compulsive workers don't ever realize they have a problem. Not trying to be insulting, but you sir have obsessive compulsive disorder.
What I am is driven. I have a much higher drive than most people. Obsessive compulsive Disorder doesn't remotely fit. Obsessive behavior involves often repeating the same task over and over again, Some of us joke about it a bit and call them "toaster checkers". In fact, people with OCD usually have a specific task they repeat, like washing hands, did the lock the house when leaving - and obsessive thoughts. OCD gets well in the way of productivity.
And before you go to Obsessive personality order, my "magic" is being able to function in very chaotic environments.
If I have any issues with thought process, I can get way too analytical, about thinks others just accept, trying to analyze why say, I find Sophia Vergara so incredibly hot, while I tend to find tall slender women attractive. I'm going to stop that line of thought now.
Its just that in American culture, yours is the only type of obsessive compulsive behavior to not be labeled that way by most people. People even brag about having this condition, lol.
I could be a lot of things, but that just doesn't fit.
1. Repeat your post verbatim to a psychologist and ask him/her if they think you might have a problem. I think you might be in for a surprise.
Aren't people with mental disorders usually kinda unhappy about their lives? Or is that the problem - I need to see a shrink so I can lose my drive? What's in that for me?
2. Ask yourself if this is the way you want your children to live. You might be telling yourself you're doing all this for them, but if they take your example and live life like you do - chances are they'll be miserable. (assuming they are not also OCD)
People are all different. I do what I do because I am happy doing it. My son isn't like me, and that's fine by me. He's living his life, and getting reasonably far ahead in his way. I don't hurt anyone or myself, and am a fully functioning member of society. Anyone having a problem with that is beyond my ability to help.
I can only imagine how Thomas Edison would be crucified today for his work ethic.
Patent other people's ideas as your own and make money off of them?
Edison didn't invent a damn thing on his own.
Nope, not getting into a Tesla Versus Edison argument.
I doubt that my kids will ever have a cable-tv cord to cut. They are part of the cable-never generation.
Any gain will be temporary, as Ajit Pai and his owners and handlers turn the internet into Cable TV mod two, with multi tier service, yearly double digit price inflation, and if you want the fast speeds, we have the ultra Patriotic rate of 500 dollars a month, with hundresd of high quality entertainment channels as part of the package. Featuring the Honey Boo-Boo network.
There will be a basic rate of 75 dollars a month that will be at 56K modem speed, and a 100 Megabyte cap.
People often don't understand just how much those little things add up. A lot of little expenses every day. A 5 dollar Starbucks coffee every day adds up to over 1800 dollars a year. Get something to much on can drive that wll over 2K. 20 K over a decade. Coupled with it being shit coffee, it's bad personal finance.
Not to mention that most of those coffee houses serve absolute crap for coffee
That must be an American thing. Though I have to agree the only truly bad coffee I've had at a coffee shop was at a Starbucks.
Starbucks coffee tastes muddy and moldy. And brewed overly strong. Maybe that's why beople get stupid in the way they want it as well. Keep putting more stuff in it until it numbs teh tongue, maybe? I prefer wither black or a bit of half and half, and two equals.
If I'm feeling nostalgic, I'll sub evaporated milk for the half and half, because that's how my grandmother made coffee for us when I was a little kid.
At home, I drink Lacas City Roast, beans roasted by some guy in Philadelphia. https://www.lacascoffee.com/pr...
Have a nice day.
Most always do.
As we all saw last year, there is nothing democratic about the Democrat party.
How's the weather in Moscow, Boris?
Ask Trump.
Warm, with a strange yellow rain?
Finally someone who makes sense. Most people who don't commit themselves to mastering their profession become masters of the couch and tv universe. You do not master much working a few or 6 hours a day.
And just watch how what I wrote enrages some folks. Someone already was pissed enough to write asking me if I didn't have someone to talk to in real life.
Rather than my simple "no" answer, I simply go to Slashdot every morning when I'm out to breakfast. I allow that entertainment while I eat.
I guess the missing detail here is most people posting have horrible jobs, with only a pay check and barely the authority to take a piss on demand.
That is very likely true, and they have my sympathy.
Every single person I've crossed in employment and business who bring up this cliche are filling their free time consuming media and or food. They are typically not very intelligent or ambitious. Thus no surprise they recon 6 hours of productivity is scientifically reasonable.
For all intents and purposes most people are simply just that..most people, not much going on up top, so makes sense for them to protest to ridiculously short amounts of commitment to employment.
Yes couch jedi master the iced tea and cookies are strong in this one.
Yeah, that's pretty sad. What I think is a problem is that we have allowed a lowest common denominator approach to life. Somewhere, somehow, productivity has become bad, and the goal is to be as unproductive as you possibly can. Thinking is bad, and success is measured as how little you think. I can only imagine how Thomas Edison would be crucified today for his work ethic.
And this reality Television approach to life and living is showing.
Don't you have people in the real world who will listen to you talk about yourself?
No.
Even TFS makes the detriment to health very clear, and I have zero fucking desire to hand over half a century of retirement nest egg to the Medical Industrial Complex. I guarantee that maintaining good physical and mental health will become your most valuable asset later in life.
So much depends on the individual. An 8 hour day to me is just like getting started. I've always been this way. Hell, I'm retired now and work more than 8 hours a day. Actual work - not puttering.
Wanna know what I find stressful? Not doing stuff.
This will probably drive people nuts, but I work in my dreams. I dream solutions to problems I'm working on. Nothing to start your day off on a high note like figuring out a solution
And I sleep 5 hours a day, and that's my limit, which for some reason enrages some people.
Now I have no doubt that there are bad physical effects for those who's jobs consist of all hard physical labor. That's a lot of physical wear and tear. But from a lifetime of working with so called normal people, what I believe is harming them is stress brought on by mental boohooing about how rough they have it with being put upon to work extra.
The only stress I ever felt when I was working extra hours was when there was a possibility that the work wouldn't be finished on time. I think that happened maybe once every 10 years. A lot of people want to work as little as possible, and find every day stressful. And that's a shame.
Besides, humans better start accepting a 20-hour workweek as normal, especially as automation and AI march on to decimate human employment.
I agree on the basic premise. I wonder though - would new studies come out declaring that a ten hour week is healthier as the stresses of the 20 hour work week is "shown" to kill people? Meantime, I'm going to do stuff like I always did stuff, because I gotta do stuff - I derive happiness from it.
Yep, and what happened back then? They moved the culture until all anti fascist voices in Germany were outside the realm of 'acceptable discourse', just like pro Nazi comments are on Cloudflare. The best defense against totalitarian ideals is free speech, where all discourse is acceptable.
It also gives law enforcement a much easier task of keeping an eye on them.
Were these "Hey, I'm replying to some guy in Russia! LOLZ" posts EVER funny?
Oh - did you think we were thinking they were funny? Not trying to be funny at all.
It was mostly for international trade, so if you didn't have enough gold. You would sell stuff to other countries and then have more gold for yourself. Or just mine the stuff, it's not like there is a fixed amount of gold. Because we've had no more booms and busts since then?
You might want to look it up. at one time, the US was in a long period of booms and busts on around a 2 year cycle.
Hows the weather in Delhi, Sanjeet?
It's Sandroop, you insensitive clod, and the weather in New Dehli is simply magnificent.
As we all saw last year, there is nothing democratic about the Democrat party.
How's the weather in Moscow, Boris?
My understanding is that wild camels do not appear over the horizon in that way; they follow the natural contours of the land and you wouldn't see them from a distance at all unless you were on high ground.
I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that camels have been known to talk to people https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
trigger alert for the delicate among us, this is an old and very politically incorrect Ray Stevens song.
What's your deal. Are you a tool of the bankers or just a tool?
I asked first, and never got an answer. You don't have to be a tool of the bankers to understand that arguing "He would know" as crimson tsunami wrote when referring to Blankfein and Dimon, which in howaboutism land is diminishing their statement, is actually giving credence to their statement as would occur in the real world. I'm just trying to figure out which world we were operating in.
Since that question was never answered, I'm left with assuming that it was whataboutism.
A difference without a distinction.
The difference is force, dumbass.
-jcr
You are perhaps the ultimate Dunning–Kruger effect example.
Crude and lame insults do not an argument make.
Why couldn't Windows ASK ME if it was a good time to install this shit? Unbelievable. The fucking idiots at Microsoft have no clue how people use their computers.
Exactly - todays insane Windows experience in action. I had a choice on when to update to this latest so called creators update, but not always. Its like some kind of random process. And looks like they reinstall the entire
Have you had any programs or drivers uninstalled or changed yet? I have a Software Defined Radio that uses ethernet router or direct ethernet to connect to my computer. It has digital audio exchange so that you don't need separate audio cables as well as a virtual serial port (some dumbass legacy from old computer to radio control systems that they can't get away from. Pretty neat, a server with an RF front end.
I have a Windows 7 machine on which it all works perfectly, never a problem. My Windows 10 computer breaks the software on every update, necessitating me to use Revo to dig everything out of it and reinstall, then it works perfectly until the next update. For some reason, Windows refuses to play nicely with the driver, asserts authority, and boom, it quits working.
This is definitely huge blunder, but a SNAFU? Because it stands for "Situation Normal - All Fucked Up" and implies something happens all the time, which is not the case here.
That's the origin, all right; however, since surfacing in WWII it's morphed from an acronym to a noun that means "a badly confused or ridiculously muddled situation". Seems appropriate in this case.
To the point where it has become a SNAFU, amirite?
This is definitely huge blunder, but a SNAFU? Because it stands for "Situation Normal - All Fucked Up" and implies something happens all the time, which is not the case here. Sure, the FaceID debacle happened relatively recently, but these kinds of security fuck-ups are a regular thing even for Apple.
Situation normal whataboutism runs rampant.
The same people who seem to have Stockholm syndrome about their Windows machines problems will suffer premature ejaculation over a Mac problem.
Having both OSs , this issue notwithstanding, MacOS is a lot safer.
Now I do have a few issues with High Sierra, the ease with which you could encrypt an external drive like say a thumbdrive has changed from utter simplicity to a major "What the flaming hell?" is one, but compared with the Windows 10 update mess, where it seeminlgy randomly uninstalls operating drivers and replaces them with non-operating drivers of it's own, Apple remains the winner.
My biggest issue is that upon update, My Final Cut Studio and Sound programs were no longer operational. I have to spend th ebucks to get new versions. Apparently shows the proof that you only rent software when perfectly functioning software doesn't function any more. as an improvement. I think we are in an age of decreasing computer function however.
gold, jewels, cowrie shells, or Yap stone Rai.
None of these are fiat money. They are all examples of money that people accepted voluntarily. Fiat money is that which government compels us to accept in lieu of things that we value.
A difference without a distinction. It's almost like you are saying that Native Americans or the Yap Islanders had no government. Economists are also very interested in the Rai system, given it's similarity to modern money. http://www.ancient-origins.net...
People accept it as money, their government accepts it as money, so it is money.
Gold has many properties that make it an excellent money commodity. Go and look up what they are before you embarrass yourself further.
-jcr
Um, exactly when did this become a commodity discussion instead of a currency discussion? Of course Gold is a commodity, it has many uses in electronics and lasers and telescopy and biology. Handy stuff to have around the house. So do a lot of other metals.Gold was a basis for currency long before many of these known uses.
Now if you wish, we can go back to using gold as a basis for currency.
The gold standard of economic systems demands that outside of actually handing over a specific amount of gold for a purchase, you have paper or coin that can be exchanged for an equivalent value of gold upon demand. Coupled with bimetallism which includes two metals as a standard, with fixed values of each - Originally 15:1 - it gets pretty messy when market pressures change one in relation to the other. This indeed happened with the silver certificates that came about after the US dumped bimetallism. Messy indeed, even if it gave the US some pretty cool looking bills.
The problem with using say Gold as the basis of a monetary system is that we only have so much of it. The old school set value of 35 dollars an ounce was a bit of a joke, as under a gold standard, what do you think would happen if everyone demanded their dollars worth of gold? If a standard adheres rigidly to currency = amount of the standard, nothing happens, unless more is mined.
The silliness reached a peak when we entered the age of a non-convertable gold standard, then a convertible only by banks but not citizens after World War 2.
What is amazing is that some folks would like to return to the old boom and bust cycle that the old gold and bimetallic standards in their various forms were a part of - read the history of this.
Which returns me to my original point, that all money standards are fiat, or if that word causes you great umbrage - exchange it with "made up". Gold or Calcite, its all made up.