There is a reason for businesses to spoof a number.
Likewise, a reason for me to ignore those calls. I understand what you say, but at this point, don't care.
This is all much too little, much too late. Over the years of being bombarded by this worthless crap, I've just reached the point where if you aren't in my address book on my phone, it won't even ring. For me and a lot of others, the telephone has been just about destroyed as a communications tool.
Right until you buy and iPhone and buy a Macbook, get them home and realise you can't plug the one into the other without an adapter.
You do know that you don't have to plug them together at all don't you?
And I forgot to add, if for some reason or other you cannot stand airdrop, you can use the charging cable that comes with every iPhone, and plug one end into the phone, and the other into a USB slot.
Well then you are stuck with a 1/8th inch phone jack, and wired headsets. Hopefully they will never ever have anything else, or you are well and truly screwed. Some of us are not so rigid. As I noted, I have both Bluetooth and wired, and use the BT most of the time. You for some reason must only ever use one device, and it must be wired. Nothing else. And it must be the cheapest. Good luck with that. Because the rest of the world is not in sync with your rigid demands.
Either you are an idiot, or you are a troll. I'm guessing troll. Doesn't matter much really, we know to disregard you.
Well then why don't you disregard me? If you don't understand that there is more than one possible meaning for groping, and that Donald Trump who is describing sexual assault, while I specifically offered an alternative version and after someone decided that that was also sexual assault, and I wrote the second reply. I'm not the one deciding there is one and only one definition, and that definition is sexual assault. Expand your horizons, and please ignore me. I have nothing to teach you, because you don't take telling. Ciao, me hearty!
I would be surprised if it took more than $70 to beat most bluetooth headphones in terms of bass strength and clarity. And that is just one aspect of the issues with bluetooth.
Comparing my bluetooth headset - a sub 100 dollar Logitech with my Heil Studio headset several hundred dollars, the studio headset is a definite winner. That being said, I can tailor the sound as I want and reproduce what I hear in either headset. The Bluetooth doesn't have a phasing switch, but I seldom need that.
The headset works well from my office to the kitchen, not dropping out until I get about 50 feet away - not surprising given the BT frequency. I wonder why I get decent performance while some others say that bluetooth doesn't work at all. Some difference there, and since I use the BT headsets professionally, the people I work with would not put up with them not working at all.
If top sound quality is your touchstone, neither Bluetooth, nor any buds sold with any phone is adequate, no matter the jack on the phone or plug on the headset. Hell, My Heil Studio's can be improved on if you want to wander into the land of diminishing returns.
By the way, the wired Apple earbuds that come with the I7 are pretty nice as buds go.
- That's the point. I have a family with devices. I have an 8-port hub that is often full. Enough is enough, I'm not buying any more devices that need charging right now because they will rarely be charged when I have a sudden need to use them anyway.
I pretty much always put my devices on charge when I'm not using them. I do know others in your situation, like my son, who seems to always be running out of battery power. Then again, he allows his kids to play with his phone as well, and managed to blow through 16 Gigs of tata in a couple days and blew through our data cap. (we're on - or pehaps were on a family plan) Perhaps I am overly disciplined, but my devices are almost always fully charged when I go to use them.
You miss the point. Eventually you won't be able to charge the batteries at full strength any more. Most rechargeable batteries fade off significantly within a year of daily charging until you just can't use the device reliably any more.
Best course of action is to charge as you use. Don't allow them to sit on the charger for days at a time. Use them, then return them. Seems like you aren't getting good battery life if they are significantly worse after only one year. I have a lot of devices HT's, phones, Bluetooth headsets, and they are going strong some 5 years after new. I have one battery pack that is an anomaly - 2007, and it is almost as good as new. But that is for sure an anomaly.
Really cheap wires with improper insulation may pick up radio signals et al, but I've had good bluetooth headphones will just cut out and get choppy with no warning and no evident reason.
I deal with some high RF fields, which often get into computers and headsets keyboards and mice. While toroids can help, my first advice is to go Bluetooth, which fixes all the problems. Something wrong with your headphones or computer somewhere. I have a sub 100 dollar pair of Logitech headset I use at home that are reliable to at least 50 feet away from the computer or phone.
Hey you may like spending more money than you have to but I don't. Don't apply your mindless consumerism to me please.
Oddly enough, the concept of never spending a penny more than you have to is the very definition of consumerism. The end result, like any mindless "ism, is destruction of the ism. I buy what works. Which isn't necessarily the cheapest. I pay what it is worth. I don't expect many people to understand, especially in the computer/electronics world, because they've all been raised that the rock bottom cheapest is always the best.
Except bluetooth has so many drawbacks it isn't really a replacement for a headphone port. In fact in every account I have seen, the bluetooth version of a headphone is inferior to the wired version, especially if you take cost into account.
I use a BT headset and I use a wired studio headset when I have to. Yes, the studio set is better, but it also cost several hundred dollers, and since it comes with a real plug, na adapter must be used. I would be very interested in the citations that every Bluetooth setup is inferior to every wired version. My experience has been different, and I would like to be set right.
So is your phone the only thing in your house that needs charged? What is the exact number of battery devices beyond which the whole concept falls apart? My BT headset plugs into a USB port and charges when I'm not wearing it. If that level of inconvenience is too much for you, then how can you muster up the energy to type out a post?
because anything with a battery has a finite usable lifetime,
Wait. What is that point? If its against BT headphones, mine last longer per charge than my phone, and with hearing loss, I listen loud. But yeah, headphones, phones anything chargeable. What they don't have is wired connections tendency to go intermittent. Or get caught on things and tear them off your head or out of the phone.
because a wire doesn't get interference,
That's simply incorrect.
COST, because I think the device with the bigger power source and more advanced circuitry should be the one driving the sound.
That really doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and is digging pretty deep to justify keeping a traditional mini headphone jack. You can still use them on an iPhone 7 if you really want to, and it won't cost you anything because the adapter is right there.
I still do not understand why anyone wants a wire on their mobile device.
The answer to that one in a roundabout way is that if Samsung had eliminated the archaic and trouble prone headphone jack instead of pushing the limits of battery power versus case size, the Android fans would be waving their phones around proudly, and bragging about how Apple has lost the technological edge. The wire is just the price they pay for their fandom
For myself, I agree - a wireless phone with a wire attached to your ears just doesn't follow.
Maybe HTC or Samsung should incorporate a turntable on their phone as well, who did Sony think it was with that walkman nonsense.
Or it could be that:
1) Many Apple customers don't care about a headphone jack
That would be me. I have an iphone because I also have a Mac because I need to use software that does not exist on any other platform. So the iPhone fits seamlessly into the ecosystem.
The headphone situation, such as it is, is that I can plug the supplied headphones directly into the phone, and if I wish to use the legendary 10 dollar headphones we hear about here in Slashdot, I just plug in the adapter. But since I rather enjoy the wireless aspect of wireless, I use Bluetooth.
Maybe the bulk of the people that care enough about a headphone jack that it sways their purchasing decision wouldn't buy an Apple product anyway.
Exactly. It's the old Ford vs Chevy argument, where eventually the antagonists get to arguing about colors and the shape of the accelerator pedal. If you hate Apple, its a dealbreaker so critical, so unconscionable so important that it will keep you from buying a phone you wouldn't ever buy anyway.
If you like Apple, you plug in the earbuds, or the adapter and your 10 dollar headphones or BT and get on with life with no negative effect.
I think it's immature to think that a single minor feature (I suggest that with Apple's continued sales, it is a minor feature) drives the majority of customer purchasing decisions.
I like my iPhone 7. Works a trick. 0 problems so far. I've also spent exactly 0 seconds regretting the lack of a headphone jack.
"Unlike, Apple, though, the company didn't make the move to save space, but rather to incorporate its "USonic" feature, which lets the [USB] phones' headphones calibrate themselves to your ears and provide noise cancellation."
Oh, bullshit. There's no reason the headphone jack has to be removed to support that. They're not mutually exclusive.
I predict that with the seething anger some have over headphone jacks, gone missing, in 30 years, the headphone jack will be the only thing left on the phone as direct to optical nerve and auditory nerve projection is used, and the rest of the phone shrinks to the size of a dust mote.
But it will have the mandatory headphone jack - now the largest part of the phone.
If that's the only interaction you have with your wife, then ya, she should be arrested. Do you really think posting ridiculous scenarios is going to get your point across? A lot of us are smart enough to consider the *context* of words and actions and evaluate them therein.
The irony of expressing how you are smart enough to consider the "context" of words and actions is either sad or hilarious when you take pause to notice that I indeed did change the "context: when I wrote, "or perhaps fondness".
Perhaps it isn't all that smart to claim superiority when you don't understand that someone did what you claim they didn't do.
She is entirely correct though. Her claim is scientifically sound.
Yes, it is true that some folks on the moon would be able to launch rocks from there to the earth. Using the same principles that delivered the mass that was going to decide to launch the rocks. But aside from Heinlein novels where everything is set up, and a few details glossed over, anyone that might think about doing this had better accomplish their objective on their first barrage, because the chances of later launches will diminish dramatically.
So let's assume that the lunar people have the capability to launch multiple projectiles of a size to do some real damage. As well, we'll assume that they have the course correction in place. Launch velocities aren't accurate enough and there are enough wiggles in orbital mechanics that just playing pick-a-target and typing it in isn't going to be very accurate.
One might assume that once the first target is destroyed, the people on earth are going to be a little pissed off.
So the only way that these lunar people are not going to commit suicide by Earth will be to take all of earth's launch facilities out at once. Otherwise, earth will send the lunar colony a little gift as a reward for launching rocks at us.
As well, once they take out our ability to launch retaliatory rockets, they have taken out their own escape routes.
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, with it's plausible rock launching scheme, has a whole lot of social/political setup that must be made in order to bring off the plot. A lot of physics and mechanics that have to be ignored in order to not turn it into a nerdbook.
Wu might be correct in some far fetched incredibly unlikely way, as in requiring a group of lunar colonists willing to commit collective suicide, and for what?
This is interesting stuff to discuss in a very offhand way. A person running for congress looks a little silly doing it though.
No, of course no, but when you are described as a "social justice warrior" everything you say can and will be misinterpreted, taken out of context and used against you.
If you are running for a political position, you do not need to be a Social Justice Warrior for that to happen. I would suspect that Wu understands that. If not, Wu will need to learn that.
Apparently millions of Americans.
If you look hard, you might find a congressman or two that borders on sanity, but that's not representative (no pun intended). Congress is and always has been a collection of kooks who love to listen to themselves speak. This has not changed since the day of Plato.
And the American public who votes them in has never been an informed electorate.
Goddamned American publublic anyhow. What are they doing voting these people in during Plato's time anyhow?
There will have to be improved consumer protection laws, it's the only way things like this ever get fixed. It's hoverboards all over again - people will buy any junk without bothering to check if it is safe or not, and then hand it to their kids.
I'm wondering what parents will buy a IoT toy that requires their child to enter - say a 10 character password with at least one capitalization, one number and one special character. But yeah, this stuff shouldn't exist at all if you ask me. Ugh. "Talk dirty to me little Ashley"......
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There is a reason for businesses to spoof a number.
Likewise, a reason for me to ignore those calls. I understand what you say, but at this point, don't care.
This is all much too little, much too late. Over the years of being bombarded by this worthless crap, I've just reached the point where if you aren't in my address book on my phone, it won't even ring. For me and a lot of others, the telephone has been just about destroyed as a communications tool.
They would hate it, it would remove their power over man.
Plenty of men get married and don't want kids.
And plenty of them get kids whether they want them or not.
Only if they're fully functional, programmed in multiple techniques...
But will they make you a sammich?
This has nothing to do with significant digits.
Anyway... 11 months is 0.91667 years, and that's a hell of a lot closer to 0.9315 years than it is to 1.0 years.
Insignificant digits......
Sigh. 11 months (340 days is a hell of a lot closer to that than it is to 12 months) is in no way shape or form "one year".
It's 0.9315 years. How many significant digits do you want on that?
(Actually given that his year in space included February 29, it might be more accurate to say it was 0.92896 years.
Are yu counting the leap second we added last year? Its apparently really important to some people.
Sigh. 11 months (340 days is a hell of a lot closer to that than it is to 12 months) is in no way shape or form "one year".
Thanks - we didn't know that.
So the iPhone fits seamlessly into the ecosystem.
Right until you buy and iPhone and buy a Macbook, get them home and realise you can't plug the one into the other without an adapter.
You do know that you don't have to plug them together at all don't you?
And I forgot to add, if for some reason or other you cannot stand airdrop, you can use the charging cable that comes with every iPhone, and plug one end into the phone, and the other into a USB slot.
So the iPhone fits seamlessly into the ecosystem.
Right until you buy and iPhone and buy a Macbook, get them home and realise you can't plug the one into the other without an adapter.
You do know that you don't have to plug them together at all don't you?
Well then you are stuck with a 1/8th inch phone jack, and wired headsets. Hopefully they will never ever have anything else, or you are well and truly screwed. Some of us are not so rigid. As I noted, I have both Bluetooth and wired, and use the BT most of the time. You for some reason must only ever use one device, and it must be wired. Nothing else. And it must be the cheapest. Good luck with that. Because the rest of the world is not in sync with your rigid demands.
Either you are an idiot, or you are a troll. I'm guessing troll. Doesn't matter much really, we know to disregard you.
Well then why don't you disregard me? If you don't understand that there is more than one possible meaning for groping, and that Donald Trump who is describing sexual assault, while I specifically offered an alternative version and after someone decided that that was also sexual assault, and I wrote the second reply. I'm not the one deciding there is one and only one definition, and that definition is sexual assault. Expand your horizons, and please ignore me. I have nothing to teach you, because you don't take telling. Ciao, me hearty!
I would be surprised if it took more than $70 to beat most bluetooth headphones in terms of bass strength and clarity. And that is just one aspect of the issues with bluetooth.
Comparing my bluetooth headset - a sub 100 dollar Logitech with my Heil Studio headset several hundred dollars, the studio headset is a definite winner. That being said, I can tailor the sound as I want and reproduce what I hear in either headset. The Bluetooth doesn't have a phasing switch, but I seldom need that.
The headset works well from my office to the kitchen, not dropping out until I get about 50 feet away - not surprising given the BT frequency. I wonder why I get decent performance while some others say that bluetooth doesn't work at all. Some difference there, and since I use the BT headsets professionally, the people I work with would not put up with them not working at all.
If top sound quality is your touchstone, neither Bluetooth, nor any buds sold with any phone is adequate, no matter the jack on the phone or plug on the headset. Hell, My Heil Studio's can be improved on if you want to wander into the land of diminishing returns.
By the way, the wired Apple earbuds that come with the I7 are pretty nice as buds go.
- That's the point. I have a family with devices. I have an 8-port hub that is often full. Enough is enough, I'm not buying any more devices that need charging right now because they will rarely be charged when I have a sudden need to use them anyway.
I pretty much always put my devices on charge when I'm not using them. I do know others in your situation, like my son, who seems to always be running out of battery power. Then again, he allows his kids to play with his phone as well, and managed to blow through 16 Gigs of tata in a couple days and blew through our data cap. (we're on - or pehaps were on a family plan) Perhaps I am overly disciplined, but my devices are almost always fully charged when I go to use them.
You miss the point. Eventually you won't be able to charge the batteries at full strength any more. Most rechargeable batteries fade off significantly within a year of daily charging until you just can't use the device reliably any more.
Best course of action is to charge as you use. Don't allow them to sit on the charger for days at a time. Use them, then return them. Seems like you aren't getting good battery life if they are significantly worse after only one year. I have a lot of devices HT's, phones, Bluetooth headsets, and they are going strong some 5 years after new. I have one battery pack that is an anomaly - 2007, and it is almost as good as new. But that is for sure an anomaly.
Really cheap wires with improper insulation may pick up radio signals et al, but I've had good bluetooth headphones will just cut out and get choppy with no warning and no evident reason.
I deal with some high RF fields, which often get into computers and headsets keyboards and mice. While toroids can help, my first advice is to go Bluetooth, which fixes all the problems. Something wrong with your headphones or computer somewhere. I have a sub 100 dollar pair of Logitech headset I use at home that are reliable to at least 50 feet away from the computer or phone.
Hey you may like spending more money than you have to but I don't. Don't apply your mindless consumerism to me please.
Oddly enough, the concept of never spending a penny more than you have to is the very definition of consumerism. The end result, like any mindless "ism, is destruction of the ism. I buy what works. Which isn't necessarily the cheapest. I pay what it is worth. I don't expect many people to understand, especially in the computer/electronics world, because they've all been raised that the rock bottom cheapest is always the best.
Except bluetooth has so many drawbacks it isn't really a replacement for a headphone port. In fact in every account I have seen, the bluetooth version of a headphone is inferior to the wired version, especially if you take cost into account.
I use a BT headset and I use a wired studio headset when I have to. Yes, the studio set is better, but it also cost several hundred dollers, and since it comes with a real plug, na adapter must be used. I would be very interested in the citations that every Bluetooth setup is inferior to every wired version. My experience has been different, and I would like to be set right.
Because we don't want extra things to charge,
So is your phone the only thing in your house that needs charged? What is the exact number of battery devices beyond which the whole concept falls apart? My BT headset plugs into a USB port and charges when I'm not wearing it. If that level of inconvenience is too much for you, then how can you muster up the energy to type out a post?
because anything with a battery has a finite usable lifetime,
Wait. What is that point? If its against BT headphones, mine last longer per charge than my phone, and with hearing loss, I listen loud. But yeah, headphones, phones anything chargeable. What they don't have is wired connections tendency to go intermittent. Or get caught on things and tear them off your head or out of the phone.
because a wire doesn't get interference,
That's simply incorrect.
COST, because I think the device with the bigger power source and more advanced circuitry should be the one driving the sound.
That really doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and is digging pretty deep to justify keeping a traditional mini headphone jack. You can still use them on an iPhone 7 if you really want to, and it won't cost you anything because the adapter is right there.
I still do not understand why anyone wants a wire on their mobile device.
The answer to that one in a roundabout way is that if Samsung had eliminated the archaic and trouble prone headphone jack instead of pushing the limits of battery power versus case size, the Android fans would be waving their phones around proudly, and bragging about how Apple has lost the technological edge. The wire is just the price they pay for their fandom
For myself, I agree - a wireless phone with a wire attached to your ears just doesn't follow.
Maybe HTC or Samsung should incorporate a turntable on their phone as well, who did Sony think it was with that walkman nonsense.
My smartphone uses tube technology. 8^)
Or it could be that: 1) Many Apple customers don't care about a headphone jack
That would be me. I have an iphone because I also have a Mac because I need to use software that does not exist on any other platform. So the iPhone fits seamlessly into the ecosystem.
The headphone situation, such as it is, is that I can plug the supplied headphones directly into the phone, and if I wish to use the legendary 10 dollar headphones we hear about here in Slashdot, I just plug in the adapter. But since I rather enjoy the wireless aspect of wireless, I use Bluetooth.
Maybe the bulk of the people that care enough about a headphone jack that it sways their purchasing decision wouldn't buy an Apple product anyway.
Exactly. It's the old Ford vs Chevy argument, where eventually the antagonists get to arguing about colors and the shape of the accelerator pedal. If you hate Apple, its a dealbreaker so critical, so unconscionable so important that it will keep you from buying a phone you wouldn't ever buy anyway.
If you like Apple, you plug in the earbuds, or the adapter and your 10 dollar headphones or BT and get on with life with no negative effect.
I think it's immature to think that a single minor feature (I suggest that with Apple's continued sales, it is a minor feature) drives the majority of customer purchasing decisions.
I like my iPhone 7. Works a trick. 0 problems so far. I've also spent exactly 0 seconds regretting the lack of a headphone jack.
"Unlike, Apple, though, the company didn't make the move to save space, but rather to incorporate its "USonic" feature, which lets the [USB] phones' headphones calibrate themselves to your ears and provide noise cancellation." Oh, bullshit. There's no reason the headphone jack has to be removed to support that. They're not mutually exclusive.
I predict that with the seething anger some have over headphone jacks, gone missing, in 30 years, the headphone jack will be the only thing left on the phone as direct to optical nerve and auditory nerve projection is used, and the rest of the phone shrinks to the size of a dust mote.
But it will have the mandatory headphone jack - now the largest part of the phone.
If that's the only interaction you have with your wife, then ya, she should be arrested. Do you really think posting ridiculous scenarios is going to get your point across? A lot of us are smart enough to consider the *context* of words and actions and evaluate them therein.
The irony of expressing how you are smart enough to consider the "context" of words and actions is either sad or hilarious when you take pause to notice that I indeed did change the "context: when I wrote, "or perhaps fondness".
Perhaps it isn't all that smart to claim superiority when you don't understand that someone did what you claim they didn't do.
Thanks for playing though.
Fondness for the organs, contempt for the person. It really isn't that complicated.
Welll I'll be, so when my wife does that to me, it's contempt, eh? We both thought it was kinda fun. I'll have to have her arrested for assault.
She is entirely correct though. Her claim is scientifically sound.
Yes, it is true that some folks on the moon would be able to launch rocks from there to the earth. Using the same principles that delivered the mass that was going to decide to launch the rocks. But aside from Heinlein novels where everything is set up, and a few details glossed over, anyone that might think about doing this had better accomplish their objective on their first barrage, because the chances of later launches will diminish dramatically.
So let's assume that the lunar people have the capability to launch multiple projectiles of a size to do some real damage. As well, we'll assume that they have the course correction in place. Launch velocities aren't accurate enough and there are enough wiggles in orbital mechanics that just playing pick-a-target and typing it in isn't going to be very accurate.
One might assume that once the first target is destroyed, the people on earth are going to be a little pissed off.
So the only way that these lunar people are not going to commit suicide by Earth will be to take all of earth's launch facilities out at once. Otherwise, earth will send the lunar colony a little gift as a reward for launching rocks at us.
As well, once they take out our ability to launch retaliatory rockets, they have taken out their own escape routes.
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, with it's plausible rock launching scheme, has a whole lot of social/political setup that must be made in order to bring off the plot. A lot of physics and mechanics that have to be ignored in order to not turn it into a nerdbook.
Wu might be correct in some far fetched incredibly unlikely way, as in requiring a group of lunar colonists willing to commit collective suicide, and for what?
This is interesting stuff to discuss in a very offhand way. A person running for congress looks a little silly doing it though.
No, of course no, but when you are described as a "social justice warrior" everything you say can and will be misinterpreted, taken out of context and used against you.
If you are running for a political position, you do not need to be a Social Justice Warrior for that to happen. I would suspect that Wu understands that. If not, Wu will need to learn that.
Who would vote in an egg head into congress?
Apparently millions of Americans. If you look hard, you might find a congressman or two that borders on sanity, but that's not representative (no pun intended). Congress is and always has been a collection of kooks who love to listen to themselves speak. This has not changed since the day of Plato. And the American public who votes them in has never been an informed electorate.
Goddamned American publublic anyhow. What are they doing voting these people in during Plato's time anyhow?
I personally would say that grabbing somebody by the sexual organs shows contempt for them.
Or perhaps fondness.
Ezekial saw the cloud
Ezekiel saw the cloud
Way up in the middle of the air.
Now Ezekiel saw the cloud was great.
Way in the middle of the air.
Chorus:
And the big cloud is run by Bezos, good Lordy
And the little cloud run by Sundar Pichai
In the cloud in the cloud in the cloud good Lord
Way in the middle of the air.
Who's that yonder backed up tonight?
Way in the middle of the air
. It must be the internet of the people that’s right,
Way in the middle of the air.
Chorus:
And the big cloud is run by Bezos, good Lordy
And the little cloud run by Sundar Pichai
In the cloud in the cloud in the cloud good Lord
Way in the middle of the air.
Who's that yonder dressed in red?
Way in the middle of the air.
stored their data local, now they dead
Way in the middle of the air.
Chorus:
And the big cloud is run by Bezos, good Lordy
And the little cloud run by Sundar Pichai
In the cloud in the cloud in the cloud good Lord
Way in the middle of the air.
Who's that yonder dressed in black?
Way in the middle of the air.
must be data lost in an attack
Way in the middle of the air.
Chorus:
And the big cloud is run by Bezos, good Lordy
And the little cloud run by Sundar Pichai
In the cloud in the cloud in the cloud good Lord
Way in the middle of the air.
There will have to be improved consumer protection laws, it's the only way things like this ever get fixed. It's hoverboards all over again - people will buy any junk without bothering to check if it is safe or not, and then hand it to their kids.
I'm wondering what parents will buy a IoT toy that requires their child to enter - say a 10 character password with at least one capitalization, one number and one special character. But yeah, this stuff shouldn't exist at all if you ask me. Ugh. "Talk dirty to me little Ashley"......
This wouldn't happen if we put the cloud in the cloud.