Slashdot Mirror


Skin deep? Robots To Wear Real Human Tissue (thememo.com)

Scientists are already growing muscles, bones, and mini-organs in the lab. But these tissues are generally small and simple. That's why two scientists from Oxford University are proposing that we use humanoid robots to grow engineered tissues instead. From a report: Robots dressed in human flesh would benefit people who need tissue transplants, Oxford University researchers have said this week. At present human cells are grown in stationary environments, but moving humanoids could help them develop in a far more healthier way. Robots could "wear" tissue grafts before transplantation, researchers Pierre-Alexis Mouthuy and Andrew Carr propose in the latest issue of Science Robotics. Today sheets of cells are grown in stagnant tanks, but these "fail to mimic the real mechanical environment for cells," say the scientists. The resulting tissues aren't used to moving, stretching and straining, which make them problematic for use by patients.

77 comments

  1. It puts the lotion in the basket by sinij · · Score: 2

    I don't understand why this is needed.

    1. Re:It puts the lotion in the basket by geekmux · · Score: 2

      I don't understand why this is needed.

      We never learn from actual history, so not learning from science fiction history seems par for the course.

      Besides, I'm sure Cameron will enjoy the movie revenue from making Terminator, Episode I...

    2. Re:It puts the lotion in the basket by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      This sounds more like Flayed Ones than Terminator.

      --
      The creatures outside looked from Alt-Right to Antifa; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
    3. Re:It puts the lotion in the basket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't understand why this is needed.

      Today sheets of cells are grown in stagnant tanks, but these fail to mimic the real mechanical environment for cells. The resulting tissues aren't used to moving, stretching and straining, which make them problematic for use by patients. Moving robot "humanoids" could help the cells develop in a far more healthier way.

      Slashdot is talking about it here.

      CAPTCHA = "boners", for the love of god Slashdot, really?

    4. Re:It puts the lotion in the basket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because war never changes.

    5. Re:It puts the lotion in the basket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boner has a meaning similar to gaffe, that you only see it as a reference to erection is an indicator of your mental state.

    6. Re:It puts the lotion in the basket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boner has a meaning similar to gaffe, that you only see it as a reference to erection is an indicator of your mental state.

      "gaffe" would be an excellent CAPTCHA.

      CAPTCHA = "erection", O_o

    7. Re:It puts the lotion in the basket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't understand why this is needed.

      Today sheets of cells are grown in stagnant tanks, but these fail to mimic the real mechanical environment for cells. The resulting tissues aren't used to moving, stretching and straining, which make them problematic for use by patients. Moving robot "humanoids" could help the cells develop in a far more healthier way.

      Slashdot is talking about it here.

      CAPTCHA = "boners", for the love of god Slashdot, really?

      Or, this could be the research cited by robots to justify the need for human flaying - to get that "all natural" feel.

    8. Re:It puts the lotion in the basket by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      These are not Terminators, these are Continuators.

      --
      Ezekiel 23:20
    9. Re:It puts the lotion in the basket by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Funny

      I don't understand why this is needed.

      It is needed to make Real Dolls more realistic. Actual human skin would be a great feature.

    10. Re:It puts the lotion in the basket by TWX · · Score: 1

      That's what they all say, at first...

      --
      Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
    11. Re:It puts the lotion in the basket by TWX · · Score: 2

      Only if they're fully functional, programmed in multiple techniques...

      --
      Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
    12. Re:It puts the lotion in the basket by Mr.+Shotgun · · Score: 1

      Pssh, that is something that Skynet would say. We're on to you "Anonymous Coward", if that's even your real name.

      --
      Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the (supposed) good of its victims may be the most oppressive
    13. Re:It puts the lotion in the basket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      My RealDoll is programmed in multiple techniques, she has two settings:

      1. Corpse
      2. Roofie Victim

      As a /.er that's really all that was needed to remind me of the real thing.

    14. Re:It puts the lotion in the basket by wasteoid · · Score: 1

      "The resulting tissues aren't used to moving, stretching and straining"

      "CAPTCHA = boners"

      How else do you expect that tissue to move, stretch and strain, if not boners and the corresponding skinned-robotic vulvas/vaginas?

    15. Re:It puts the lotion in the basket by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Only if they're fully functional, programmed in multiple techniques...

      But will they make you a sammich?

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    16. Re:It puts the lotion in the basket by TWX · · Score: 1

      No, but they've been known to tend bar from time to time.

      --
      Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
    17. Re:It puts the lotion in the basket by FrankHaynes · · Score: 1

      The Borg queen gave Data a patch of real skin and we saw how that worked out.

      --
      slashdot: A failed experiment.
    18. Re:It puts the lotion in the basket by TWX · · Score: 1

      And he really reacted when she blew him too...

      What I'm wondering is what killed or otherwise assimilated crewman that skin was taken from.

      --
      Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
  2. Familiar? by Vintowin · · Score: 2

    I believe this was how the Terminator started.. apparently no one heeds the warnings..

    1. Re:Familiar? by mykepredko · · Score: 1

      The Terminator's an infiltration unit: part man, part machine. Underneath, it's a hyperalloy combat chassis, microprocessor-controlled. Fully armored; very tough. But outside, it's living human tissue: flesh, skin, hair, blood - grown for the cyborgs.

    2. Re:Familiar? by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      I believe this was how the Terminator started..

      Actually, no. Reese clearly states that the first Terminators were easy to spot as they had rubber skin. It was only later models that had human skin which made it easier to infiltrate.

      --
      The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
    3. Re:Familiar? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Given that in a war situation, food would be scarce... it would have made more sense for Skynet to make Terminators look like waifs. I could easily spot a Terminator in a war, it's the "Human" that looks like he eats 8000 calories a day and works out...

    4. Re:Familiar? by spiritplumber · · Score: 2

      I read "waifus" instead of "waifs" at first...

      --
      Liberty - Security - Laziness - Pick any two.
    5. Re:Familiar? by avandesande · · Score: 1

      nobody would go to a movie with waify Ah-nold.

      --
      love is just extroverted narcissism
    6. Re:Familiar? by syn3rg · · Score: 2

      Time to get a dog.

      --
      The contents of this message have been doubly encrypted by ROT13
    7. Re:Familiar? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, it is like those Orientals, Africans and old people who know how to kill someone and skin the body so they wear the face and sometimes the body also. I think it was pictured also in a book: Aztec. I have seen them real life, so it is not a NO IT CANNOT BE issue. You must have also seen those super-extra-strong hulkish body pictures with limping hands, where you cannot see the guy from BEHIND but the bulk of muscles does hide the lines of demarcation between the person and the skinned body. Sure those guys are NOT attempt to skin the researches or HIDE some of these people who have the aberration? FUNNY, that Familiar is how RPG call the family lineage tutelar animal that accompanies the character...

  3. The secondary market as sexbots would make bank! by Ann+O'Nymous-Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Step 1: Skinbots Step 2: Sexbots Step 3: PROFIT! Step 4: Retread GOTO Step 1

  4. Re:The secondary market as sexbots would make bank by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Enough skin and organs and they make babies with us. Creepy. And so lonely.

  5. Assembly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can see here how they put the skin on the robots: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgV7-MJwUBw

  6. Obligatory Star Trek by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1
    --
    If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
  7. Re:The secondary market as sexbots would make bank by djinn6 · · Score: 1

    Enough skin and organs and they make babies with us. Creepy. And so lonely.

    Women would love that, no more carrying around a meat sack for 9 months.

  8. Re:The secondary market as sexbots would make bank by mfnickster · · Score: 2

    You should read Rudy Rucker's "Wetware." :)

    --
    "Slow down, Cowboy! It has been 3 years, 7 months and 26 days since you last successfully posted a comment."
  9. The Island by Billy+the+Mountain · · Score: 1

    Yeah, perfect. It will be just like the move The Island.

    --
    That was the turning point of my life--I went from negative zero to positive zero.
    1. Re: The Island by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They where clones, not robots.

  10. So... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

    Not only will they take our jobs and make the rich richer, but they'll wear our skins while doing it?

    --
    Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
  11. Come with me if you want to wive... by randomErr · · Score: 1

    I have nothing else.

    --
    You say things that offend me and I can deal with it. Can you?
  12. Who knew? by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

    Turns out ED-209's last name is Gein.

  13. What warnings? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I believe this was how the Terminator started.. apparently no one heeds the warnings..

    Warnings, what warnings? I've got the Terminator films filed right next to 1984, under Instruction Manuals.

  14. Can be an Oxford University scientist? by Cyberpunk+Reality · · Score: 2

    I mean, I watch Agents of SHIELD, too.

    --
    Rule 35 of the internet: "If it can be hacked, it will be". - Charles Stross
  15. oblig Creation of the Humanoids by seven+of+five · · Score: 1

    "Of course the operation was a success... or *you* wouldn't be here."

  16. Re:The secondary market as sexbots would make bank by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    #4 retread
        LOLLL!!!

  17. When your life saving transplant is on a robot - by Sparowl · · Score: 1

    "Come with me if you want to live."

  18. Getting ahead I see by spiritplumber · · Score: 1

    The 600 series had rubber skin. We spotted them easy, but these are new. They look human.

    --
    Liberty - Security - Laziness - Pick any two.
  19. Re:The secondary market as sexbots would make bank by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what is this woman, you mean an axlotl tank?

  20. Cylons by Wolfrider · · Score: 4, Funny

    --Do you want Cylons?? Because this is how you get Cylons.

    --
    .
    == WolfriderV6 == I'm willing to admit that *I just might* be wrong... Are you??
    1. Re:Cylons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Frakkin skinjobs!

  21. Arnold as a terminator by DrYak · · Score: 2

    I could easily spot a Terminator in a war, it's the "Human" that looks like he eats 8000 calories a day and works out...

    The in-world retro-fitted explanation is that technology only got that good with the T-800. The Arnold is the most compact humanoid outer flesh that they can manage to fit over the robotic chassis. Older models were even bulkier and looked even less human. OTOH, later model managed to camouflage better thanks to mimetic polyalloys and looked much more leaner.

    The cinematographic reason : Cameron needed an actor that will look unstoppable and will inspire awe. The Arnold is the best he could manage to inspire this "mighty glacier" power. This stature has the on-screen effect that was in Cameron's vision for the movie, and to the hell if he doesn't remotely look like Michael Biehn (who's supposed to be the future's everyman).

    --
    "Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
    1. Re:Arnold as a terminator by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      [...] to the hell if he doesn't remotely look like Michael Biehn (who's supposed to be the future's everyman).

      Yeah. Should have totally gone with OJ...

    2. Re:Arnold as a terminator by skids · · Score: 1

      later model managed to camouflage better thanks to mimetic polyalloys and looked much more lamer.

      FTFY.

      I never understood why everyone liked T2's shiny blobs of cop-out CGI animation over the awesome gasket-blowing, spark throwing, gear grinding variety. T-600s FTW.

    3. Re:Arnold as a terminator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... CGI animation ...

      They had real actors in those scenes, notably Robert Patrick, so it was digital masking more than animation. IIRC, they used several thousand tessels just to map the actor's head into the robot's: Not a small number back in the day.

    4. Re:Arnold as a terminator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IIRC the initial idea was to have Arnold play Kyle Reese and Lance Henriksen play the infiltrator. The infiltrator was supposed to fit in and the soldiers the humans sent back were supposed to be the strongest they had. Since Terminator 1 also didn't have that energy ball thingy during time travel there was also an idea that the humans sent back two soldiers but the other one got sent back into a wall and died.

      I don't mind the changes. I like the way Arnold plays robot in T1.
      My only nitpick is the conversation in the gun-store. There is no need for him to keep the conversation going with the shopkeeper when he decided to kill him, but that can be explained with that there also isn't any need to shut down the infiltration process just because you are terminating people.

    5. Re:Arnold as a terminator by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Personally, I like T2 because Robert Patrick is so damn good at portaying a completely unflinching, unfeeling and utterly inhuman killing machine. The CGI parts are dated by now, but his performance really sells the character.

      --
      Eat the rich.
  22. They're not robots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they're machines.

  23. Silence of the lambs by iamacat · · Score: 1

    Just saying, robots might not be the only customers.

    1. Re:Silence of the lambs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Came here to say that. Also lampshades. And leather jackets (yeachh!).

  24. More healthier? by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

    Ha, ha!

    --
    http://www.acetonestudio.com
  25. Re:The secondary market as sexbots would make bank by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Secondary?

  26. Not sure by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    "Robots dressed in human flesh would benefit people who need tissue transplants,"

    I thought rich people used poor people for that purpose.

    1. Re:Not sure by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      I suppose if rich people could be given a choice they'd prefer something less tainted by that disease.

      --
      Two of my imaginary friends reproduced once ... with negative results.
    2. Re:Not sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suppose if rich people could be given a choice they'd prefer something less tainted by that disease.

      Which is why you use battery-caged farm-raised tissue serfs, not free-range ones.

      "Cruelty-free" is not really a big selling point in this market.

    3. Re:Not sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      About 1 in 400 people is a Type 1 diabetic. If we could buy working pancreases, we *would*. Unfortunately, most organs don't transplant well without a medically quite dangerous regime of immunosuppressants. It's as bad as an AIDS treatment regime, and without the very faint possibility of a remission.

  27. Re:The secondary market as sexbots would make bank by johanw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They would hate it, it would remove their power over man.

  28. Fuck you, asshole! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll be back!

  29. Re:The secondary market as sexbots would make bank by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

    That would get rid of the old joke about how people can be produced with "unskilled labor"...

  30. Re:The secondary market as sexbots would make bank by djinn6 · · Score: 1

    They would hate it, it would remove their power over man.

    Plenty of men get married and don't want kids.

  31. Re:The secondary market as sexbots would make bank by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Berkeley's principle of producing those reproduction machines would be "Just-Enough-Human."

  32. Re:The secondary market as sexbots would make bank by skids · · Score: 1

    Yes, they would be free to discover a service to our paradise that fullfills them most. And males would get to play outside.

    I am here if you need to talk.

  33. Westworld by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where's the westworld comment?!

  34. I doubt the robots will like this idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The robots may not like the idea of being used as mannequins and the later having there skin removed for the sake of a human. They will probably want to keep what they believe to be their skin.

  35. making of by DrYak · · Score: 1

    indeed, it's not technically cgi animation as we know it today.
    more computer post-pprocess.

    eg.: the scene were the T-1000 flows trough the prison "bars" door, is actually filmed with robert patrick simply walking straigh through a door that had the bar hacked off.
    then, they digitally added the bars back in the scene, and had the original image of robert patrick wobble and distort to match the flow that a liquid-metal based robot would have.

    --
    "Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
    1. Re:making of by mfnickster · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but the scenes where the T-1000 flows up from the checkered floor, flows into the helicopter cockpit, walks out of the flames of the truck crash... those are all 100% CGI.

      --
      "Slow down, Cowboy! It has been 3 years, 7 months and 26 days since you last successfully posted a comment."
  36. Re:The secondary market as sexbots would make bank by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

    They would hate it, it would remove their power over man.

    Plenty of men get married and don't want kids.

    And plenty of them get kids whether they want them or not.

    --
    The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
  37. I for one . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    . . . welcome our new flesh-toned, supple, creamy-textured . . . . overlords.

  38. Rise of the machines by strongbrad · · Score: 1

    I'm a cybernetic organism. Living tissue over a metal endoskeleton.

  39. I was not designed to process these sensations... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then tear the skin from your limbs as you would a defective circuit.

    Do it. Don't be tempted by flesh!