Yes their pay is going down. To $0. In these systems one person oversees multiple vehicles so they can get rid of many people. And of course that's not saying the drivers are able to transfer over to operating the remote controlled vehicles so it's possible that all of the drivers are let go and new people are brought in.
Over time, all jobs are made obsolete. The longshoreman career was made obsolete because of automation. The people who made vacuum tubes we made mostly redundant becauseof the transistor. The railroad workers faced a big reduction when we switched from steam locos to diesel - steam locomotives are tremendous powerful bits of technology, but are filthy and take insane levels of maintenance.
Two tractor steam plowing has come and gone, nothing stays the same.
Even over my career, instead of complaining about my jerb becoming obsolete, I adapted, learned new things, and didn't insist that what I originally did would continue forever.
Where do we say - enough? No more technology, no more progress?
Cost of an F-35 not being able to support ground troops adequately: $1,000,000,000,000,000,000
The problem is that the A10 is simply a much better plane than the F35. I doubt that the one size fits all aspect of the 35 will allow it to ever have competency in any of it's planned missions.
Weirdly enough, they admit that the A10 cannot be touched by the F35 in close support roles. So soldiers, no more proficient close support for you. Collateral damage I suppose. Since when do we march forward into a brave new future purposely giving up in a area that is exactly what we need today?
Just think, Tomahawk cruise missiles are over a million dollars a pop. Fire 400 of them and that's 400 million dollars that's just going to explode and destroy about a billion dollars worth of infrastructure. It's so easy to tear shit up and so hard to build stuff. You're right, what a waste. Imagine if we just quit all this stupid shit and left each other alone how much better off we'd all be. Nah! We're human and being human is to fuck up over and over and over ever since Cain killed Abel.
Killing other humans is one of the core competencies of the human race. We will at some point in the future, gleefully exterminate ourselves.
Heh. The sad thing is, the telemarketer probably has a better time tracking you than the cops do. At least in the US. John Oliver did a segment on that a few months ago (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-XlyB_QQYs.)
The police usually only want to track others when working a crime. The marketers want to sell you shit. I've found the busines of trying to text you ad when your in a store, or nearby, or wasn't there an article in here about a plan to use marketing data to custom present ads on billboards?
We need to come up with a spoofing system to have millions of people appear to frequent porn sites and goatse, and see what the billboards start showing.
they can make the leap from consumer to Power user easily.
Eww liek some boy with no life??? omg
Some among us think that the consumer is the one with not much of a life. Although I suspect that programmer/computer whiz folks think a little different than normal folk, the stereotype of the dude living in his mom's basement is just that. A stereotype. I'm one who plays Ice Hockey, does 4 wheeling and lots of non-geeky stuff, and is fully socialized.
Perhaps what we have here is finally a reason for your average American to get behind urban density vs. suburban sprawl or rural living: this sort of tracking will be a lot more effective in super-spread-out areas, and pretty ineffective in dense cities. Time to model all U.S. cities after Manhattan!
There is a move afoot toward city live versus country life.
"Nothing wrong with getting location data from a suspect, or even looking over phone logs for data, but turning everyone in the area into a witness/suspect is just so inefficient that you might as well just drag everyone in a square mile of a crime in for questioning."
Isn't this what happens when the police reach out to the local news and asks for help? They are potentially asking hundreds of thousands of people if they witnessed the crime and to provide information.
Quite a difference between getting the logs, then contacting anyone who might have been in the area. And even though the answers are "voluntary" I suspect that anyone who refuses to reply will be considered at least a little more interesting. Which is a world of difference than broadcasting to no one in particular, and hoping for replies.
Which to me just makes for a lot of investigation that isn't likely to lead anywhere.
Do the phone companies keep records of detailed triangulation data for every customer, and if so, how often is it polled? Most likely, all they have is the cell tower the phone was connected to at the time, and a typical tower has a range of about 1km, a bit less in built-up areas.
I don't know how long they keep them, I suspect a fair while because the storage of all the records doesn't take up a huge amount of space, and there was a case of a Florida man (isn't is always Florida man?) http://www.techtimes.com/artic... but you take a triangulation of three towers receiving the phone, and there you have it. In a built up area that requires more towers, in principle you'd be more accurate, but you are dealing with signal strengths and propagation effects, so that little over a kilometer accuracy is about the best they can do.
Of course, if he means the desktop then every workplace I've seen are using almost entirely Macs now all the way up to the CEO. Windows is seen as an anachronism.
That's because we don't find it amusing to have half the updates break something, and then a smug fanboi comes in and makes like its our fault.
Also, there are some institutions, mainly gouvernemental institutions in Europe switching massively to LibreOffice and Linux... Ok, the story is about the USA, but it does show that the market could change. Beside, I expect someone to be able to adapt to a new OS and tool suite quiet easily. Even with a FOSS background, these kids will easily be able to adapt to any job requiring Windows and MS Office.
The market is changing. And people with Linux can easily adapt to Windows - they are already adapted to OSX.
One of the nice things about Linux is that it is stable enough that you can actually learn stuff on it. The last few years of working with Windows has been trying to fix stuff that has broken.
This anti-systemd stuff ain't going away until the actuarial tables work their magic.
To be fair; the laptops are a means to an end, not the learning goal in and off itself.
Indeed. As well, time moves on. I kinda enjoy doing installs manually. But one of the best things modern day Linux has going for it is the networked install/repo model is simply the best thing around. What is really cool is that if any of the kids are inclined, they can make the leap from consumer to Power user easily.
This is the sort of thing that will get young folk interested in computing STEM fields, not browbeating. Many of us geeks got started years ago with our Commodores, and just took off from there. Use the computer for the schoolwork, then for the curious, a bash script or two, and some will become hooked. Just like we were in days of yore.
You carry around a location-tracking device and you are worried about privacy? What fools.
I've found that almost no one knows how the cellular system works. It's some pretty cool technology. But for us to get that important telemarketer call when we are a thousand miles away from home, the system has to know where we are. So little ET in our pocket phones home quite often.
And where will this type of thing end? What level crimes will justify such privacy invasions? To me, this just sounds a lot like spam.
Remember though, that the very nature of using a cellular phone, you are putting out a lot of location data, even when not using the phone. You are located and logged within a little less than a square mile. Its inherent, and the only way to avoid it is either turning the phone off when not in use, and putting it in a metal box, or simply not having one. BTW, don't leave the phone on when doing this because it will use maximum power trying to phone home, and your batteries will go dead pronto.
But if you are at all concerned about privacy, don't have a cell phone.
"If youre near the crime scene - you COULD be involved"
Er, yes. If you are near the crime scene you COULD be. That is why police interview people, you know, that are near the crime scene.
So let's say half of these people aren't using a phone for some reason. It is still pretty easy to come up with a hellava lot of possible witnesses/suspects for a crime.
Regardless, that is a hellava lot of suspects that have to be eliminated from suspicion in some cases.
This comes out to around 10749 peeps per square mile.
For this alone, mass collection is going to be really inefficient. Given the margin of error location wise for the logs, some poor gumshoe may have thousands of people to cross off the witness/suspect list.
I have this vision of interrogation rooms starting to look like sports stadiums.
Nothing wrong with getting location data from a suspect, or even looking over phone logs for data, but turning everyone in the area into a witness/suspect is just so inefficient that you might as well just drag everyone in a square mile of a crime in for questioning.
If youre near the crime scene - you COULD be involved.
I was a little surprised that you've been modded troll here. This whole exercise brings up some questions. What if a witness doesn't have a phone? What if it was turned off? Should potential witnesses - that means all of us - be required to have wireless phones and required to have them turned on just in case we witness a crime? Are we then liable to be hauled in for interrogation and required to alabi what we were doing in the area? This is a pretty wide net they are casting
[Ol Olsoc] Because today, science and advances take an extremely remote second place to servicing the stockholders.
My goodness, the derp is strong in you. Capitalism is all about making money, both for the corporation, and for the stockholders. Do you deny that?
Science is a job for scientists. Scientists are generally not stockholders, in their field because they tend to work for Universities, Universities that do research tend to not be corporations. Therefore, capitalism, which is all about money, is not good grounds for science. Not now. Whereas the US at one time had a fair amount of money that for profit companies could siphon away form the stockholders, research and science have evolved away from that old model, because it was decided that stockholders needed that money. No money for research, no in house research.
Most research and science is done in a University setting, or quasi-military setting, which usually is affiliated with a University. There isn't that much of what used to be referred as R&D going on in industry any more. That's because the two do not mix in capitalism as practiced in the USA at this time.
Occasionally we did research for corporations when they had thoughts of trying something new. You can't remain competitive with zero research. But most of the money came from grants from the guvmint. This is one issue that has become a big strategic problem, as there is a substantial push to reduce the money spent on government research an a strong anti-science sentiment at the same time that there is precious little research done at the corporate level. This will be a disaster, as the US fritters away it's once acknowledged superiority in technology in order to save a bit of money for a short time so others can have it.
So if you do not understand what I wrote after the third time, do not blame it on me for your lack of comprehension. I wrote what I wrote, and you are misinterpreting it so badly that you look pretty silly.. Fuggidaboudit, if you aren't a troll, you missed a good career path.
Funny though only US has success on the red planet. This is not only Europe's second attempt, but the same bug. In 1999 the computer shut off its thrusters too early too and it crashed it's probe 100 feet in the air.
I forgot the name of the probe for that one.
I'm not certain. The Beagle in 2004 didn't deploy correctly, but otherwise I'm not certain. The Phobos-Grunt didn't make it out of earth gravity in 2011.
It is so darn hard to land on Mars. The martian atmosphere is thick enough to make for a lot of heat, but not thick enough to slow you down anywhere near a normal earth type landing. And of course, the distances and reulting delays in communications time were making for around 14 minutes radio time, and 7 minutes of time between atmospheric contact and landing on the surface. So at the time NASA gets word that the lander has contacted the surface, its on the ground. 7 minutes of terror they call it.
WHAT? you have to buy a display if you want a second monitor on your MacBook? Goddammit! is there no end to Apple's bullshit?
Troll eh? We's had shittin hemmorages because you have to plug in a headphone to a plug in device, that Apple gives you for free.
We've had wails of righteous indignation that you would have to buy an adapter for multiple USB ports - I have a 7 outlet USB adapter on My Mac, and a 7 Outlet on my Dell, the Mac i unforgivable, th e Dell - hey it's Windows so O-Tay! Windows users have had that attitude ever since Amiga days when they gloat about a 16 bit soundcard they could buy for their machine, but if I bough one for my Amiga, that was unacceptable.
If there is one thing about Windows Troolarenas, they have no sense of humor. Now quickly, show your dimwittedness, and troll me down. Merely a mark that you cannot handle the truth.
You are articulate and sound very well educated. You large vocabulary is impressive. The use of a maximum of two syllable words is astute. You must have a well paid, highly technical, white collar job and are definitely not a janitor or drive thru worker. English certainly must be your first language.
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Yes their pay is going down. To $0. In these systems one person oversees multiple vehicles so they can get rid of many people. And of course that's not saying the drivers are able to transfer over to operating the remote controlled vehicles so it's possible that all of the drivers are let go and new people are brought in.
Over time, all jobs are made obsolete. The longshoreman career was made obsolete because of automation. The people who made vacuum tubes we made mostly redundant becauseof the transistor. The railroad workers faced a big reduction when we switched from steam locos to diesel - steam locomotives are tremendous powerful bits of technology, but are filthy and take insane levels of maintenance.
Two tractor steam plowing has come and gone, nothing stays the same.
Even over my career, instead of complaining about my jerb becoming obsolete, I adapted, learned new things, and didn't insist that what I originally did would continue forever. Where do we say - enough? No more technology, no more progress?
Schist, I'm out of gneiss rock puns.
Time to grab the gabbro, my friend!
Cost of an A-10: ~$18.8 million
Cost of an F-35: ~109 million
Cost of an F-35 not being able to support ground troops adequately: $1,000,000,000,000,000,000
The problem is that the A10 is simply a much better plane than the F35. I doubt that the one size fits all aspect of the 35 will allow it to ever have competency in any of it's planned missions.
http://www.motherjones.com/moj...
Weirdly enough, they admit that the A10 cannot be touched by the F35 in close support roles. So soldiers, no more proficient close support for you. Collateral damage I suppose. Since when do we march forward into a brave new future purposely giving up in a area that is exactly what we need today?
Just think, Tomahawk cruise missiles are over a million dollars a pop. Fire 400 of them and that's 400 million dollars that's just going to explode and destroy about a billion dollars worth of infrastructure. It's so easy to tear shit up and so hard to build stuff. You're right, what a waste. Imagine if we just quit all this stupid shit and left each other alone how much better off we'd all be. Nah! We're human and being human is to fuck up over and over and over ever since Cain killed Abel.
Killing other humans is one of the core competencies of the human race. We will at some point in the future, gleefully exterminate ourselves.
The 35 is trying to be too many things at once, which means it won't be good at any of them.
Heh. The sad thing is, the telemarketer probably has a better time tracking you than the cops do. At least in the US. John Oliver did a segment on that a few months ago (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-XlyB_QQYs.)
The police usually only want to track others when working a crime. The marketers want to sell you shit. I've found the busines of trying to text you ad when your in a store, or nearby, or wasn't there an article in here about a plan to use marketing data to custom present ads on billboards?
We need to come up with a spoofing system to have millions of people appear to frequent porn sites and goatse, and see what the billboards start showing.
they can make the leap from consumer to Power user easily.
Eww liek some boy with no life??? omg
Some among us think that the consumer is the one with not much of a life. Although I suspect that programmer/computer whiz folks think a little different than normal folk, the stereotype of the dude living in his mom's basement is just that. A stereotype. I'm one who plays Ice Hockey, does 4 wheeling and lots of non-geeky stuff, and is fully socialized.
Perhaps what we have here is finally a reason for your average American to get behind urban density vs. suburban sprawl or rural living: this sort of tracking will be a lot more effective in super-spread-out areas, and pretty ineffective in dense cities. Time to model all U.S. cities after Manhattan!
There is a move afoot toward city live versus country life.
"Nothing wrong with getting location data from a suspect, or even looking over phone logs for data, but turning everyone in the area into a witness/suspect is just so inefficient that you might as well just drag everyone in a square mile of a crime in for questioning."
Isn't this what happens when the police reach out to the local news and asks for help? They are potentially asking hundreds of thousands of people if they witnessed the crime and to provide information.
Quite a difference between getting the logs, then contacting anyone who might have been in the area. And even though the answers are "voluntary" I suspect that anyone who refuses to reply will be considered at least a little more interesting. Which is a world of difference than broadcasting to no one in particular, and hoping for replies.
Which to me just makes for a lot of investigation that isn't likely to lead anywhere.
Do the phone companies keep records of detailed triangulation data for every customer, and if so, how often is it polled? Most likely, all they have is the cell tower the phone was connected to at the time, and a typical tower has a range of about 1km, a bit less in built-up areas.
I don't know how long they keep them, I suspect a fair while because the storage of all the records doesn't take up a huge amount of space, and there was a case of a Florida man (isn't is always Florida man?) http://www.techtimes.com/artic... but you take a triangulation of three towers receiving the phone, and there you have it. In a built up area that requires more towers, in principle you'd be more accurate, but you are dealing with signal strengths and propagation effects, so that little over a kilometer accuracy is about the best they can do.
Not for everyone obviously, but I certainly don't understand all the hate.
Fear. They are in fear.
Of course, if he means the desktop then every workplace I've seen are using almost entirely Macs now all the way up to the CEO. Windows is seen as an anachronism.
That's because we don't find it amusing to have half the updates break something, and then a smug fanboi comes in and makes like its our fault.
Also, there are some institutions, mainly gouvernemental institutions in Europe switching massively to LibreOffice and Linux... Ok, the story is about the USA, but it does show that the market could change. Beside, I expect someone to be able to adapt to a new OS and tool suite quiet easily. Even with a FOSS background, these kids will easily be able to adapt to any job requiring Windows and MS Office.
The market is changing. And people with Linux can easily adapt to Windows - they are already adapted to OSX.
One of the nice things about Linux is that it is stable enough that you can actually learn stuff on it. The last few years of working with Windows has been trying to fix stuff that has broken.
They're fucking these kids over for life anyway. Without the skills to use the most prevalent OS in the world
We're not talking about Android here.
It's all systemd anyway.
This anti-systemd stuff ain't going away until the actuarial tables work their magic.
To be fair; the laptops are a means to an end, not the learning goal in and off itself.
Indeed. As well, time moves on. I kinda enjoy doing installs manually. But one of the best things modern day Linux has going for it is the networked install/repo model is simply the best thing around. What is really cool is that if any of the kids are inclined, they can make the leap from consumer to Power user easily.
This is the sort of thing that will get young folk interested in computing STEM fields, not browbeating. Many of us geeks got started years ago with our Commodores, and just took off from there. Use the computer for the schoolwork, then for the curious, a bash script or two, and some will become hooked. Just like we were in days of yore.
What the heck is yore anyhow?
You carry around a location-tracking device and you are worried about privacy? What fools.
I've found that almost no one knows how the cellular system works. It's some pretty cool technology. But for us to get that important telemarketer call when we are a thousand miles away from home, the system has to know where we are. So little ET in our pocket phones home quite often.
And where will this type of thing end? What level crimes will justify such privacy invasions? To me, this just sounds a lot like spam.
Remember though, that the very nature of using a cellular phone, you are putting out a lot of location data, even when not using the phone. You are located and logged within a little less than a square mile. Its inherent, and the only way to avoid it is either turning the phone off when not in use, and putting it in a metal box, or simply not having one. BTW, don't leave the phone on when doing this because it will use maximum power trying to phone home, and your batteries will go dead pronto.
But if you are at all concerned about privacy, don't have a cell phone.
"If youre near the crime scene - you COULD be involved" Er, yes. If you are near the crime scene you COULD be. That is why police interview people, you know, that are near the crime scene.
Define near.
Cell phone tower location methods are accurate to around .75 square mile. https://transition.fcc.gov/psh...
Now let's take say, New York City, with it's over 27 thousand people per square mile https://www1.nyc.gov/site/plan...
So let's say half of these people aren't using a phone for some reason. It is still pretty easy to come up with a hellava lot of possible witnesses/suspects for a crime. Regardless, that is a hellava lot of suspects that have to be eliminated from suspicion in some cases.
Toronto itsellf is around 4150 people per square kilometer https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/ce...
This comes out to around 10749 peeps per square mile. For this alone, mass collection is going to be really inefficient. Given the margin of error location wise for the logs, some poor gumshoe may have thousands of people to cross off the witness/suspect list.
I have this vision of interrogation rooms starting to look like sports stadiums.
Nothing wrong with getting location data from a suspect, or even looking over phone logs for data, but turning everyone in the area into a witness/suspect is just so inefficient that you might as well just drag everyone in a square mile of a crime in for questioning.
If youre near the crime scene - you COULD be involved.
I was a little surprised that you've been modded troll here. This whole exercise brings up some questions. What if a witness doesn't have a phone? What if it was turned off? Should potential witnesses - that means all of us - be required to have wireless phones and required to have them turned on just in case we witness a crime? Are we then liable to be hauled in for interrogation and required to alabi what we were doing in the area? This is a pretty wide net they are casting
Would you like me to quote you again?
My goodness, the derp is strong in you. Capitalism is all about making money, both for the corporation, and for the stockholders. Do you deny that?
Science is a job for scientists. Scientists are generally not stockholders, in their field because they tend to work for Universities, Universities that do research tend to not be corporations. Therefore, capitalism, which is all about money, is not good grounds for science. Not now. Whereas the US at one time had a fair amount of money that for profit companies could siphon away form the stockholders, research and science have evolved away from that old model, because it was decided that stockholders needed that money. No money for research, no in house research.
Most research and science is done in a University setting, or quasi-military setting, which usually is affiliated with a University. There isn't that much of what used to be referred as R&D going on in industry any more. That's because the two do not mix in capitalism as practiced in the USA at this time. Occasionally we did research for corporations when they had thoughts of trying something new. You can't remain competitive with zero research. But most of the money came from grants from the guvmint. This is one issue that has become a big strategic problem, as there is a substantial push to reduce the money spent on government research an a strong anti-science sentiment at the same time that there is precious little research done at the corporate level. This will be a disaster, as the US fritters away it's once acknowledged superiority in technology in order to save a bit of money for a short time so others can have it. So if you do not understand what I wrote after the third time, do not blame it on me for your lack of comprehension. I wrote what I wrote, and you are misinterpreting it so badly that you look pretty silly.. Fuggidaboudit, if you aren't a troll, you missed a good career path.
Funny though only US has success on the red planet. This is not only Europe's second attempt, but the same bug. In 1999 the computer shut off its thrusters too early too and it crashed it's probe 100 feet in the air.
I forgot the name of the probe for that one.
I'm not certain. The Beagle in 2004 didn't deploy correctly, but otherwise I'm not certain. The Phobos-Grunt didn't make it out of earth gravity in 2011. It is so darn hard to land on Mars. The martian atmosphere is thick enough to make for a lot of heat, but not thick enough to slow you down anywhere near a normal earth type landing. And of course, the distances and reulting delays in communications time were making for around 14 minutes radio time, and 7 minutes of time between atmospheric contact and landing on the surface. So at the time NASA gets word that the lander has contacted the surface, its on the ground. 7 minutes of terror they call it.
Here's a good video, if a little dramatic, of some of the hassles. http://www.space.com/16265-7-m...
Anyhow, its an expensive lesson, but eventually they'll get something good on the ground.
For the haters to chime in....
WHAT? you have to buy a display if you want a second monitor on your MacBook? Goddammit! is there no end to Apple's bullshit?
Troll eh? We's had shittin hemmorages because you have to plug in a headphone to a plug in device, that Apple gives you for free.
We've had wails of righteous indignation that you would have to buy an adapter for multiple USB ports - I have a 7 outlet USB adapter on My Mac, and a 7 Outlet on my Dell, the Mac i unforgivable, th e Dell - hey it's Windows so O-Tay! Windows users have had that attitude ever since Amiga days when they gloat about a 16 bit soundcard they could buy for their machine, but if I bough one for my Amiga, that was unacceptable. If there is one thing about Windows Troolarenas, they have no sense of humor. Now quickly, show your dimwittedness, and troll me down. Merely a mark that you cannot handle the truth.
Or do I need to get into drug dealing.
No - out of it.
A code problem eh? Shit happens, and my condolences - it can happen to any of us.
You are articulate and sound very well educated. You large vocabulary is impressive. The use of a maximum of two syllable words is astute. You must have a well paid, highly technical, white collar job and are definitely not a janitor or drive thru worker. English certainly must be your first language.
I speak and write at the level of my audience.