If you equate Sennheiser studio headphones to Bluetooth audio, you're a fucking moron. But I guess I shouldn't expect less moronic thinking from an Apple fan.
Are those the headphones you are using? Possibly I asked questions you cannot answer? I asked the questions, and you called me a moron. Man oh man, that is weak.
Seems you have a little trouble making an intelligent argument without name calling. I'll just take that as the limit of your ability, because in your responses to me, that is about it. No answers, only name calling. Meh. I can get as much by arguing with a fifth grader.
Even though I carp about the removal of firewire in the same vein as the hand wringers do about th eheadphone jack, I myself used a lot of firewire devices to od video work. Eventually however, I moved on.
Maybe you like to haul around a laptop everywhere you go, but if I have to, for instance, sit in a doctor's office for 30 minutes and decode to look up something on Wikipedia to alleviate my boredom, I'm just going to use my phone.
I take my chromebook out to breakfast every day. Yeah, it's like the difference between looking at an actual screen, doing actual things. Most of the pages I go to when I have to use a phone aren't remotely optimized for a teeny tiny screen, and whenever I am reduced to using a smartphone for internet, I tether a laptop to it. Instant upgrade.
Why? I like myself some performance. I like a useable screen. But it is pretty silly to act like looking at a 5 inch screen is smarter than looking at a 12 inch one.
This is a false equivalency. If your phone is tied to a charger, it's also tied to the wall that the charger is plugged into. If your phone is tied to your headphones, you can still move around with both the headphones and the phone. The former is a pretty big inconvenience. The latter is... not inconvenient at all.
You've never watched a jogger with that headphone cord slapping around? Your desire for convenience meme ignores that with a bluetooth wireless headset, you now re free of carrying the phone in your hand and can move around the house as well. Next.
I've found Consumer Reports over the years has immense amounts of reviewer bias. Rather petty some times.
Not only that; but they sometimes focus on the weirdest things to like/dislike about a particular product.
And how! While I look at them from time to time, and give some veracity to when they find explodey things, it's those way off base likes and dislikes that do their reviews in. Some of the things they've marked things down for make me laugh.
And my Android user friends "save money" by going through three phones in the same amount of time I use one.
Android is an OS. Doesn't mean a whole lot talking about it in the context of phones that last, or don't last, or have whatever properties that are independent of the OS.
But then I do know what the quality of my iPhones will be. And that's the point.
Nope, I have a button in my car. A big red one that that says Bullsh*t on it.
When someone does something stupid, I just push it...it has 4 phrases. That's all I need.
I just smile and drive on. I'm going to get me a dash cam just to record the STUPID crap I see people do daily.
I believe the GP's argument had very little to do with the amount of effort require to connect to the charger, but rather the fact that you are again tied to a charger for another short lived battery powered device.
My iphones get charged about every 4 days, the BT headsets, I'm not certain about, since when I'm done with them for the evening, I plug em into the USB port. Talk about your first world problem. I also have to tie my shoes in the morning, and dry off with a towel after a shower. Both activities that require much more effort than plugging into a charger.
My point, which I gotta give you a supersize whoosh for, is that if being tied to a charger is unacceptable, because you have to plug something in, then having to plug in a headset should be equally unacceptable.
It's plugging wires in, and unplugging them. The old in out.
The only wireless device I'm not sold on is wireless charging, since you are using the phone as the secondary of a transformer, which means you are dealing with AC, which means you are dealing with rectification, filtering and voltage regulation on the phone side. As well, even though "wireless" you have to put your phone in a very specific place to charge it. That is a reasoned argument, based on technical considerations
In fact, the summary emphasizes the battery life of the devices tested and charging more frequently. But... I'm guessing you were already aware of that and wanted to make some irrelevant point.
It's irrelevant to you and some others, perhaps because you hate Apple, or iPhone, or lack of analysis. Who knows? Its soundbyte level arguments you give me.
I only ever used the headphone jack once, long enough to tell me that my future was using bluetooth.
You're either lying or you're nuts. Either way, you are not the typical use case. Bluetooth is fucking shite for audio.
Oh - hold on. Now we are talking about good audio and smartphones in the same sentence? Smartphones are like Car stereo. Usually a lot of background noise in the area, limitations on loudness. Its like a talking dog. The main thing is not that the dog speaks well, it is that the dog speaks at all. Bluetooth is just fine for that.
For my "critical listening", I have wired studio headsets, and they surely aren't connected to my smartphone. I'd need an adapter anyhow, because they have quarter inch plugs on them. Which if for some reason I wanted to plug 'em into a phone, I would need to use an adapter, iPhone or Android notwithstanding.
Wow, isn't not trusting Consumer Reports on Slashdot or other leftie hangout like not trusting NPR? Commence the downmods, the heretic must be burned!
I've found Consumer Reports over the years has immense amounts of reviewer bias. Rather petty some times.
What's more, they seem to have a major hardon for Jeeps. So far, I've bought 2 of the ones they've bashed badly, and unless a whole shitload of us Jeep owners are really lucky, CR has been way off wrong.
I think there are two possible factors that may not have been taken into account:
Could be - or even very likely. I do know that depending on the goals of the testers, the results can come out just about any way they want. Could end up like some of the bogus reviews the Tesla Automobile was getting, then exposed by the instrumentation data Tesla put on the car.
Regardless, I don't trust consumer advocacy groups. Consumer reports especially, but not these guys either.
You are acting sort of wound up about this whole issue.
Wound up? not really. Annoyed amusement, perhaps. I tend to have that issue when I come up against abject stupidity, and people acting like they are smart while displaying that stupidity. But there are a whole lot of people out there who seem to think - or not think - that they have the handle on smartness. Like the guy who wasted half our lunch hour using an ATM to withdraw money for lunch, all the time telling us how convenient using the ATM was.
It's nice that you enjoy having more accessories that you need to keep charged. Do you have a big bank of chargers in the rec room to keep your speakers, headphones, the phone itself, etc. all topped off?
One in the car, one in the home office, and one in the kitchen. Mine is the one in the office, and the wife got her one in the kitchen and car charger at the same time.
Bluetooth headsets (2) charge off my computer's USB port.
Remarkably little trouble, just plugging them little suckers in every so often. In fact, the action of plugging the headsets into the USB cable is - and get this - somewhat similar in activity and muscle meory to - who knew? - plugging in a wired headset!
And what's more - and get this - I do not have to unplug it from the phone when I'm done!
Applephone users always keep their gadget in an expensive case, because it has to remain pristine for when they trade it in, with three hundred or so more bucks, in a year for the new model.
It's almost like they think the phone is a collectible action figure. "Don't take it out of the packaging and play with it, Johnny. It will be worth more later if you keep it in perfect condition. Don't even bend the blister pack cardboard!"
And my Android user friends "save money" by going through three phones in the same amount of time I use one.
I don't really care about trade-ins, and if my phone is pristine when I take it out of the case - it's just telling me that I bought a good case. Your Apple phone users meme is kind of silly, and remarkably inaccurate.
I suspect that actual phone calling is a small fraction of the usage of modern smart phones.
Personally I make phone calls on mine for maybe 10s of minutes a week, on average. The rest of the time is spent with web browsing, emailing and other data-consuming tasks.
The modern consumer, IOW. It's so odd, in this day and age, where we can have huge screens, fat ethernet, and really fast computing devices, and so many of us choose to use the lowest common denominator device. Browsing on a Smartphone reminds me of browsing with a Raspberry Pi. Kinda works, kinda sucks.
I hope they continue the SE line. I love mine, with 6s Plus internals and a big battery. I have never considered going to one of the enormous phones like the ones you're talking about. They're just clown-like.
Which is why I laugh when someone pulls out one of the ridiculous things that makes them look like an escapee from PeeWee Herman's Playhouse. So people can look like the worst sort of tool, but get outraged over a Headphone Jack
The problem of course, is that pretty much the minimum size for a useable screen is around 10 inches. Even a 7 inch tablet is too damn small. So any phone that is a useable size is too large as a phonem and anything useable as a phone is too small for a decent screen. I've been happy withe my iphone 5.
As well, since I spend a good bit of time around saltwater, a Lifeproof case has gotta be horrifyingly big for one of the monster phones.
Removing the audio port for profit when its the most popular way of connecting speakers is Tim's work.
Wireless! Wireless is critical, We need wireless computer access for ou wireless phones, Land lines and wierd wired ethernet ports are so last year,
But speakers,the only acceptable connection is wired, Nothing but wires.
And you know, I knew Windows PC users who were just as pissed off about Macs losing floppy drives as you are with your fake outrage about removint the phone jack. http://www.everymac.com/system...
How in the name of God were people going to access their fine fast firewire devices? The death of Apple, no doubt, and a really stupid move
Now I might not get an iphone 7, although switching from Apple to android would lose me some nice features. But as a deal breaker, the headphone jack is right down there with the color of the home button, especially since my entire family uses bluetooth. It's handy, no wires to get in the way, and otherwise, we don't think about it at all.
I only ever used the headphone jack once, long enough to tell me that my future was using bluetooth. Kinda nice to have a wireless phone that didn't depend on wires. So if for some weird reason I would ever think to connect an amp and speakers to my telephone, I'd use one of any of the fine Bluetooth devices available for purchase.
What planet do you live on?
I for one, DEMAND a large battery, because I don't like being a "wall wart" trying to find some place to charge my phone, just to make it
through the day.
Something tells me a road rage incident is in your future. The color of someone's car will push you over the edge.
Why they don't offer Defer Upgrades in the Home version is... I don't know. Cockiness. Force features on the Home-version Plebes. Why they don't vet these updates better is... bizarre.
Microsoft has always broken systems with updates, from way back in XP days. There was no reason to believe that that situation would improve, and facts bear out that is the case, only worse.
Automatic, no choice updates are the proximate cause, since system hosing is just something that goes along with using Windows. The user's only defense is to have control over the update process. I know something is going to break, so I need to do an update at a moment when I have the time to fix it.
My Windows 10 setup was like a 1960's British sportscar with Lucas Electrics. Brittle, maintenance and repair taking up a lot of time, and stretching the definition of working.
I have a Windows 7 system that has become my go - to when I need to use Windows. It's two OS's behind, but I can control the update process, so uptime is 100 percent so far.
Should it be this way? Hell no. My OSX and Linux systems don't break regularly. They update without the drama. They work when the update is finished. I need a computer that works every day. The only way I can control that in Windows is having complete control over the update process. With Windows 10, that is not happening.
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If you equate Sennheiser studio headphones to Bluetooth audio, you're a fucking moron. But I guess I shouldn't expect less moronic thinking from an Apple fan.
Are those the headphones you are using? Possibly I asked questions you cannot answer? I asked the questions, and you called me a moron. Man oh man, that is weak.
Seems you have a little trouble making an intelligent argument without name calling. I'll just take that as the limit of your ability, because in your responses to me, that is about it. No answers, only name calling. Meh. I can get as much by arguing with a fifth grader.
well, Firewire never really caught on.
Even though I carp about the removal of firewire in the same vein as the hand wringers do about th eheadphone jack, I myself used a lot of firewire devices to od video work. Eventually however, I moved on.
Maybe you like to haul around a laptop everywhere you go, but if I have to, for instance, sit in a doctor's office for 30 minutes and decode to look up something on Wikipedia to alleviate my boredom, I'm just going to use my phone.
I take my chromebook out to breakfast every day. Yeah, it's like the difference between looking at an actual screen, doing actual things. Most of the pages I go to when I have to use a phone aren't remotely optimized for a teeny tiny screen, and whenever I am reduced to using a smartphone for internet, I tether a laptop to it. Instant upgrade.
Why? I like myself some performance. I like a useable screen. But it is pretty silly to act like looking at a 5 inch screen is smarter than looking at a 12 inch one.
Burn the system down. Burn it all down.
Fuck you Move to somalia where there isn't any system at all, and post your insanity. Please.
This is a false equivalency. If your phone is tied to a charger, it's also tied to the wall that the charger is plugged into. If your phone is tied to your headphones, you can still move around with both the headphones and the phone. The former is a pretty big inconvenience. The latter is ... not inconvenient at all.
You've never watched a jogger with that headphone cord slapping around? Your desire for convenience meme ignores that with a bluetooth wireless headset, you now re free of carrying the phone in your hand and can move around the house as well. Next.
Sorry, but this is just plain stupid. You're making excuses now.
If I'm sitting in a very quiet place like a library, and brought my phone and headphones with me, I want top audio quality.
Okay, educate this stupid person. What exact headphones are you using to get top audio quality, and what smartphone delivers top audio quality?
Do you have the frequency response and imd handy? Otherwise I'll look it up after you let me know about your top quality setup.
I've found Consumer Reports over the years has immense amounts of reviewer bias. Rather petty some times.
Not only that; but they sometimes focus on the weirdest things to like/dislike about a particular product.
And how! While I look at them from time to time, and give some veracity to when they find explodey things, it's those way off base likes and dislikes that do their reviews in. Some of the things they've marked things down for make me laugh.
And my Android user friends "save money" by going through three phones in the same amount of time I use one.
Android is an OS. Doesn't mean a whole lot talking about it in the context of phones that last, or don't last, or have whatever properties that are independent of the OS.
But then I do know what the quality of my iPhones will be. And that's the point.
Nope, I have a button in my car. A big red one that that says Bullsh*t on it. When someone does something stupid, I just push it...it has 4 phrases. That's all I need. I just smile and drive on. I'm going to get me a dash cam just to record the STUPID crap I see people do daily.
Your response doesn't change my mind.
I believe the GP's argument had very little to do with the amount of effort require to connect to the charger, but rather the fact that you are again tied to a charger for another short lived battery powered device.
My iphones get charged about every 4 days, the BT headsets, I'm not certain about, since when I'm done with them for the evening, I plug em into the USB port. Talk about your first world problem. I also have to tie my shoes in the morning, and dry off with a towel after a shower. Both activities that require much more effort than plugging into a charger.
My point, which I gotta give you a supersize whoosh for, is that if being tied to a charger is unacceptable, because you have to plug something in, then having to plug in a headset should be equally unacceptable.
It's plugging wires in, and unplugging them. The old in out.
The only wireless device I'm not sold on is wireless charging, since you are using the phone as the secondary of a transformer, which means you are dealing with AC, which means you are dealing with rectification, filtering and voltage regulation on the phone side. As well, even though "wireless" you have to put your phone in a very specific place to charge it. That is a reasoned argument, based on technical considerations
In fact, the summary emphasizes the battery life of the devices tested and charging more frequently. But... I'm guessing you were already aware of that and wanted to make some irrelevant point.
It's irrelevant to you and some others, perhaps because you hate Apple, or iPhone, or lack of analysis. Who knows? Its soundbyte level arguments you give me.
I only ever used the headphone jack once, long enough to tell me that my future was using bluetooth.
You're either lying or you're nuts. Either way, you are not the typical use case. Bluetooth is fucking shite for audio.
Oh - hold on. Now we are talking about good audio and smartphones in the same sentence? Smartphones are like Car stereo. Usually a lot of background noise in the area, limitations on loudness. Its like a talking dog. The main thing is not that the dog speaks well, it is that the dog speaks at all. Bluetooth is just fine for that.
For my "critical listening", I have wired studio headsets, and they surely aren't connected to my smartphone. I'd need an adapter anyhow, because they have quarter inch plugs on them. Which if for some reason I wanted to plug 'em into a phone, I would need to use an adapter, iPhone or Android notwithstanding.
Wow, isn't not trusting Consumer Reports on Slashdot or other leftie hangout like not trusting NPR? Commence the downmods, the heretic must be burned!
I've found Consumer Reports over the years has immense amounts of reviewer bias. Rather petty some times.
What's more, they seem to have a major hardon for Jeeps. So far, I've bought 2 of the ones they've bashed badly, and unless a whole shitload of us Jeep owners are really lucky, CR has been way off wrong.
I think there are two possible factors that may not have been taken into account: Could be - or even very likely. I do know that depending on the goals of the testers, the results can come out just about any way they want. Could end up like some of the bogus reviews the Tesla Automobile was getting, then exposed by the instrumentation data Tesla put on the car.
Regardless, I don't trust consumer advocacy groups. Consumer reports especially, but not these guys either.
You are acting sort of wound up about this whole issue.
Wound up? not really. Annoyed amusement, perhaps. I tend to have that issue when I come up against abject stupidity, and people acting like they are smart while displaying that stupidity. But there are a whole lot of people out there who seem to think - or not think - that they have the handle on smartness. Like the guy who wasted half our lunch hour using an ATM to withdraw money for lunch, all the time telling us how convenient using the ATM was.
It's nice that you enjoy having more accessories that you need to keep charged. Do you have a big bank of chargers in the rec room to keep your speakers, headphones, the phone itself, etc. all topped off?
One in the car, one in the home office, and one in the kitchen. Mine is the one in the office, and the wife got her one in the kitchen and car charger at the same time.
Bluetooth headsets (2) charge off my computer's USB port.
Remarkably little trouble, just plugging them little suckers in every so often. In fact, the action of plugging the headsets into the USB cable is - and get this - somewhat similar in activity and muscle meory to - who knew? - plugging in a wired headset!
And what's more - and get this - I do not have to unplug it from the phone when I'm done!
Who knew?
Applephone users always keep their gadget in an expensive case, because it has to remain pristine for when they trade it in, with three hundred or so more bucks, in a year for the new model.
It's almost like they think the phone is a collectible action figure. "Don't take it out of the packaging and play with it, Johnny. It will be worth more later if you keep it in perfect condition. Don't even bend the blister pack cardboard!"
And my Android user friends "save money" by going through three phones in the same amount of time I use one.
I don't really care about trade-ins, and if my phone is pristine when I take it out of the case - it's just telling me that I bought a good case. Your Apple phone users meme is kind of silly, and remarkably inaccurate.
I suspect that actual phone calling is a small fraction of the usage of modern smart phones.
Personally I make phone calls on mine for maybe 10s of minutes a week, on average. The rest of the time is spent with web browsing, emailing and other data-consuming tasks.
The modern consumer, IOW. It's so odd, in this day and age, where we can have huge screens, fat ethernet, and really fast computing devices, and so many of us choose to use the lowest common denominator device. Browsing on a Smartphone reminds me of browsing with a Raspberry Pi. Kinda works, kinda sucks.
Blue Oyster Cult - "Burnin' for You" https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Arthur Brown "Fire! I am the god of HellFire", with Exclusive Samsung test footage https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
And Apple's response to the outrage over the missing phone jack Billy Joel "We didn't Start the Fire" https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
I hope they continue the SE line. I love mine, with 6s Plus internals and a big battery. I have never considered going to one of the enormous phones like the ones you're talking about. They're just clown-like.
Which is why I laugh when someone pulls out one of the ridiculous things that makes them look like an escapee from PeeWee Herman's Playhouse. So people can look like the worst sort of tool, but get outraged over a Headphone Jack The problem of course, is that pretty much the minimum size for a useable screen is around 10 inches. Even a 7 inch tablet is too damn small. So any phone that is a useable size is too large as a phonem and anything useable as a phone is too small for a decent screen. I've been happy withe my iphone 5.
As well, since I spend a good bit of time around saltwater, a Lifeproof case has gotta be horrifyingly big for one of the monster phones.
Removing the audio port for profit when its the most popular way of connecting speakers is Tim's work.
Wireless! Wireless is critical, We need wireless computer access for ou wireless phones, Land lines and wierd wired ethernet ports are so last year,
But speakers,the only acceptable connection is wired, Nothing but wires.
And you know, I knew Windows PC users who were just as pissed off about Macs losing floppy drives as you are with your fake outrage about removint the phone jack. http://www.everymac.com/system...
Jobs was ridiculed for removeing the floppy drives - https://www.engadget.com/2010/...
Fucking crazy bastard removed Firewire as well, causing more of your type of outrage! http://appleinsider.com/articl...
How in the name of God were people going to access their fine fast firewire devices? The death of Apple, no doubt, and a really stupid move
Now I might not get an iphone 7, although switching from Apple to android would lose me some nice features. But as a deal breaker, the headphone jack is right down there with the color of the home button, especially since my entire family uses bluetooth. It's handy, no wires to get in the way, and otherwise, we don't think about it at all.
I only ever used the headphone jack once, long enough to tell me that my future was using bluetooth. Kinda nice to have a wireless phone that didn't depend on wires. So if for some weird reason I would ever think to connect an amp and speakers to my telephone, I'd use one of any of the fine Bluetooth devices available for purchase.
What planet do you live on? I for one, DEMAND a large battery, because I don't like being a "wall wart" trying to find some place to charge my phone, just to make it through the day.
Something tells me a road rage incident is in your future. The color of someone's car will push you over the edge.
Why do people say that MS Windows is easier to use than Linux ?
Because they haven't used Linux. Or if they had, it was from like 1998, and they are forming thier wrong opinion from ancient software
Why they don't offer Defer Upgrades in the Home version is... I don't know. Cockiness. Force features on the Home-version Plebes. Why they don't vet these updates better is... bizarre.
Microsoft has always broken systems with updates, from way back in XP days. There was no reason to believe that that situation would improve, and facts bear out that is the case, only worse.
Automatic, no choice updates are the proximate cause, since system hosing is just something that goes along with using Windows. The user's only defense is to have control over the update process. I know something is going to break, so I need to do an update at a moment when I have the time to fix it.
My Windows 10 setup was like a 1960's British sportscar with Lucas Electrics. Brittle, maintenance and repair taking up a lot of time, and stretching the definition of working.
I have a Windows 7 system that has become my go - to when I need to use Windows. It's two OS's behind, but I can control the update process, so uptime is 100 percent so far.
Should it be this way? Hell no. My OSX and Linux systems don't break regularly. They update without the drama. They work when the update is finished. I need a computer that works every day. The only way I can control that in Windows is having complete control over the update process. With Windows 10, that is not happening.
Did one want to pronounce it "Ar-dwee-no" and the other "Ard-yoo-ee-no"?
I hear it was because Musto was jealous of Banzi's freaking awesome name
Seriously - Massimo Banzi! Sounds like some 1980's action hero.
That's how many were compromised.
There are instances where bulldozing an area allows a clean start. I agree that somethings may end up in the refuse pile that shouldn't
However the existing programs that are in place have been altered to do exactly as the previous comments.
In other words, the weeds have overtaken the garden.
Kinda like how well the Arab Spring worked.