> For the life of me, I can't imagine a competitor a-sniping.
Then you're not a very imaginative person.
Oh - I can imagine. It just stops at the interface between Occams razor, and we never went to the moon, or the president was born in Kenya, or that there is something wrong with the earth's core and NASA is hiding it.
If you want to see everyone disallowed from using NASA's facilities, just try purposely causing a billion or so damage by destroying the other's ships. All of these companies have a vested interest in all of them functioning and functioning well. Why?
I'm pretty certain that if NASA had even a hint of a competing facility user purposely destroying NASA's infrastructure by purposely destroying it's competitors rocket no one but NASA would launch from Cape Canaveral for the forseeable future. Mutually assured destruction of your private companies. Because the private market competitor who did that would be effectively destroying NASA as well.
If it turns out that someone came up and shot that candle full of holes, and they can offer convincing evidence for it, I have not a problem accepting it. But so far, there is not only not any proof, but completely ignoring that rockets are explodey things, and have exploded before, and all ot the things I outlined being in both companies worst interest.
Linux is your's and Mom's friend. My wife absolutely loves it, and she can even do the updates just by clicking on the little checkmark shield. She feels like a real computer jockey now, and her machine always works. It's been 100 percent uptime since installation. Mint is good for noobs and experienced people alike.
Why not just wait? If you don't surf questionable sites, have an up-to-date av program, and everything's working ok, why not just leave well enough alone and let the suckers take the hit? You don't see businesses rushing to update for a reason - and that reason is the topic of this story - it often breaks sh*t.
Come on Barbara, the only place I've received malware on a pc is while going to consumer sites. Can't figure out what's questionable about garage door openers or concrete tips (yup, both of those were spreading malware) or surfing Forbes is a malware vector as well.
As well, you buy a new computer these days - what comes on it? Yup, W10. Windows 10 downloaded without permission on computers, It had microsoft-ese on the popup screens that got people to "accidentally install it. On my W7 install, a blank screen would pop up, and anywhere you clicked in it it tried to install W10. Eventually I had to go into task manager to kill the strange blank windows that would pop up. This was an all out timeshare salesman like approach that had a lot of people install accidentally.
So please don't take the victim blaming approach here. No one should buy a computer knowing that it will get screwed up, or have an accident that installs the screwed up OS. Business is not supposed to take the Carny vs rube attitude Microsoft has taken to their customers.
Meanwhile, after abandoning W10 and staying on my W7 install, despite Microsoft trying to trick me, I've disabled updates, and approach 100 percent uptime. Life is gooder!
You don't have a choice with Windows 10 home. You can't turn off updates.
Nor do you with W10 pro. The pseudo choice you have with W10 Pro is that you can only delay the Bohica updates for a little while. So it's like your computer gets fucked up a little later.
If you are using Windows 10 - Welcome to your future! This is exactly why I abandoned it.
I once said Windows 10 wasn't ready for prime time. I was wrong.
Windows 10 simply does not work, and if you haven't been boned by it, it only means you haven't been boned by it yet.
Since Microsoft is now the leading malware vector, they seriously must allow everyone to turn off their Bohica updates. It's the only way that people can have at least some assurance that their computers will work.
No they were not. The engines were not fired. It happened during fueling.
You are correct, the engines were not running. This happened before the static test. My confusion was based on it being part of the test. My bad for certain.
The video, which I have watched dozens of times, doesn't show anything weird at all. One of the "UFOs" was a seagull, another probably a bug....
There is an odd screech a second or so before the rapid disassembly that may or may not be connected to the event. The camera was some miles away, so a lot of things in between might make noise.
Like the cry of a seagull?
One of many possibilities. To me it sounded like a very cold substance coming into contact with metal.
Which, as the linked video shows, was neither odd nor a shadow - I don't know why this was even included in the summary. It was never anything of interest to anyone but UFO kooks.
The direction of their investigation was obvious from their previous release where they were talking about the breach in the helium system. They had a "large breach" that could not be explained, so what else fits the description better than a projectile?
A pipeline breaking at a joint? A valve leaking through an inlet port? A seam coming apart?
Explain why a sniper would go after the second stage and not the first. Much larger target area, already lit.
When Musk tweeted earlier, "particularly trying to understand the quieter bang sound a few seconds before the fireball goes off", I was kinda hoping he wasn't implying something.
I doubt it. Immediately before the disassembly, there was a screeching noise, and then another noise. Whatever it was, it didn't sound like any firearm.
Commentary such as is is just people trying to put what pieces they can find together after the event. I'd like to understand those sounds as well. For the life of me, I can't imagine a competitor a-sniping.
Spacex has been having some issues with that second stage. This isn't surprising that issues come up. When dealing with candles, there is a big learning curve, and if anyone doubts it, NASA and before them NACA, had rapid disassembly events on the launchpad - a lot of them. They are all on Youtube for people to see.
Not only does the video link not match the description,
"video that appeared to show an odd shadow, then a white spot on the roof of a nearby building"
it's tantamount to a propaganda video of exactly the sort I'd pay for if I wanted to ridicule anyone conducting an actual investigation into my industrial sabotage. How the fuck did this get past Slashdot editors?
Amazing your post has been modded as flamebait. Really amazing that Slashdot is playing to the Alex Jones crowd.
The video, which I have watched dozens of times, doesn't show anything weird at all. One of the "UFOs" was a seagull, another probably a bug. There is a fellow who does Youtube videos who calls himself "thunderfoot" - yes - that thunderfoot, the anti-modern day feminist, but he puts together a pretty good analysis.
While not conclusive, he pretty much debunks this conspiracy theory of launchpad sabotage.
As well, anyone wanting to sabotage the second stage would find the easiest path would be during buildup of the second stage.
The breach almost certainly started at the interface between the second stage fuel and Oxidant tanks, which share a shell. Where in that area remains in question, but that's where it starts. There is an odd screech a second or so before the rapid disassembly that may or may not be connected to the event. The camera was some miles away, so a lot of things in between might make noise.
note: that screech, if related, sounds like what happens when an extremely cold substance comes in contact with warmer metal. You can duplicate this by putting a penny on a piece of dry ice. The penny will make wierd noises.
But don't the conspiracy folks have better things to do, like proving the moon mission was faked, or that Ted Cruz's father put the hit on John Kennedy, or that 9-11 was an inside job, or that electrical companies put the kibosh on perpetual motion?
Quick! Assume anyone who has a different view from yours must be a nutjob!
Oh, wait...
Plain coffee, one half and half, one equal thank you.
Starbucks sucks, unless you want coffee that tastes like burnt pond mud. And latte is much too sweet wherever it comes from.
As for opinions, Bluestrat is incorrect about who has smartphones, as in a large majority of us have them now, even the pofolk. I don't have a BMW, I drive a Jeep.
His post is a non-sequitur because the amount of money one has no relation to either having a smartphone, or age to having a smartphone, or the type of vehicle to a smartphone, or the type of coffee one likes.
The real problem are what they are choosing to count as an "emergency." I mean sure, Japan bombs Pearl Harbor or planes crash into building - every phone should maybe light up. Most of the rest, probably should be categorized and allowed to be silenced or de-prioritized (or allowed to follow your phone's alert settings, like vibrate-only).
Bingo! All of the zealots will tell you their emergency is teh important one. We had an amber alert locally when a young boy was 5 minutes late getting home from school. We're talking the the dogs, the police every available emergency personnel scrambled into action.
It was a nice day, and he had just walked a little slower, enjoying the day. Flowers, cool insects. Sunshine. Stuff that makes for enjoyment in life. in 10 minutes, the emergency responders were told to stand down. I wonder if he was punished for walking slower?
And that was a total life threatening emergency with a statewide emergency response. A little fellow took a little longer than usual to get home.
The only ones who get these typically-useless/out-of-locational-context alerts anyways are people with smartphones. Good luck warning Grandma or the poor with this waste of tax money who don't and likely will never have a smartphone. But thank God Mr. & Mrs. BMW get alerts at Starbucks paid for by the working-poor while they sit and sip their $8 lattes!
Strat
Congratulations for making one of the most non-sequitur, incoherent rants I've ever read.
Now quick - call me a libtard or spout some nonsense about me trying to take your guns away.
Fuck you and fuck you. fuck you and fuck you. Fuck you and fuck you all the way up to 964164. And fuck you for modding this instead of saying something smart or smart ass!
It's sad when someone mixes meth, coffee, and a desire to control others.
Chillaxe, brah - you can't control other people, and you're tearing yourself apart with anger in the attempt. I suggest Valerian root capsules, maybe some St John's Wort as well. Even out those moods without turning yourself into a prescription drug zombie.
And if you want the alerts, by all means take them. But you can't demand that others do that.
I have found this system useful. Although it is painful to hear that emergency signal go off minutes before the sirens go off, it may yet save my life. Also, I can attest that it has returned at least a couple small kids to their rightful guardian over the years. One of these was not a relative but an outright pedophile. To the detractors who say, "But it cannot be disabled!"... I cite my second experience over the first of my own life and say so fucking what? Are you going to complain about the TV you no longer watch and the radio you no longer listen to? Fuck off and I hope you never have kids in a situation that makes you oh so personally give a shit. Now find some flawed grammar and call it out.
Who says it can't be disabled? And who says they you are the determinant of what other people's phones do?
Let's use your logic.
We need a newer and better amber alert system. Did you know that some people have theirs alerts turned off? Did you know that there are still some people who don't have smartphones or televisions or have those turned off as well?
In order to achieve the needed granularity for the effective deployment of Amber alerts, we must immediately send police door to door to alert every citizen of a missing child. And anyone who does not admit the police to be informed, must be charged with child endangerment, as they might have had the one clue that would put the child back with their rightful guardians.
I just wrote what you did, only took it to the next level.
How many people are they killing a year by disrupting sleep (which results in accidents) and distracting drivers with those "alert" texts that are rarely applicable?
There should be two different types where you could configure settings/notification times. I am ok being notified 24/7 and woken up a when I am in danger such as an Earthquake
Mother nature has it's own alert system for earthquakes. It's a vibrate, and it can't be turned off.
Enable AMBER alerts. The AMBER alerts are designed and function explicitly to broaden the search for people harming kids. Some here are dismissing them as reactionary but the reality is time is important for catching these demons, especially before they can act.
And every single other zealot with every other single goal will use the same argument.
You might not like it, but the cellular phone system is going the way of the land lines, as in becoming useless.
And the increasing frequency of political calls, the escalating alert system (seriously why on fucking earth do I need a photo of some place that has just suffered a disaster? or many more characters? All of this feature creep just puts the amber alerts and the weather alerts and the disaster alerts and the endless spamming as background noise.
And if you are connected to a University, you can get alerts for sexual assault as well. Oddly enough, none seem to go to court, but you can be woken up at 4 in the morning to learn that an unknown person was sexually assaulted by an unknown person at an unknown time and an unknown place and was reported by an unknown person. And someone thought it was really important that we get that notice. They are in other words, required to let me know that someone made a prank phone call one night.
I don't have the time in a day to be alerted or deal with all of the people and groups that think I really really really need whatever it is they really really really need to tell me.
So the alerts get turned off, and the phone is not answered unless it is someone in my address book.
What happens when they get in a position of authority and results are expected?
They never actually made it that far. We had two who were worth anything, and one took a new job in another city, and the other one went on to get an advanced degree. Both young women by the way, and both excellent co-workers.
The vast majority discovered that you don't get a promotion for showing up on time, and unlike your parents, the older people at work weren't there to serve them, and they burnt out - and I kid you not - moved back in with Mom and Dad, in once case Grandma.
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It just seems so obvious that running a bulldozer through an in-place operational government is the best way to improve efficiency and integrity.
That's been the Republican plan since, oh.... 2008
> For the life of me, I can't imagine a competitor a-sniping. Then you're not a very imaginative person.
Oh - I can imagine. It just stops at the interface between Occams razor, and we never went to the moon, or the president was born in Kenya, or that there is something wrong with the earth's core and NASA is hiding it.
If you want to see everyone disallowed from using NASA's facilities, just try purposely causing a billion or so damage by destroying the other's ships. All of these companies have a vested interest in all of them functioning and functioning well. Why?
I'm pretty certain that if NASA had even a hint of a competing facility user purposely destroying NASA's infrastructure by purposely destroying it's competitors rocket no one but NASA would launch from Cape Canaveral for the forseeable future. Mutually assured destruction of your private companies. Because the private market competitor who did that would be effectively destroying NASA as well. If it turns out that someone came up and shot that candle full of holes, and they can offer convincing evidence for it, I have not a problem accepting it. But so far, there is not only not any proof, but completely ignoring that rockets are explodey things, and have exploded before, and all ot the things I outlined being in both companies worst interest.
Linux is your's and Mom's friend. My wife absolutely loves it, and she can even do the updates just by clicking on the little checkmark shield. She feels like a real computer jockey now, and her machine always works. It's been 100 percent uptime since installation. Mint is good for noobs and experienced people alike.
Why not just wait? If you don't surf questionable sites, have an up-to-date av program, and everything's working ok, why not just leave well enough alone and let the suckers take the hit? You don't see businesses rushing to update for a reason - and that reason is the topic of this story - it often breaks sh*t.
Come on Barbara, the only place I've received malware on a pc is while going to consumer sites. Can't figure out what's questionable about garage door openers or concrete tips (yup, both of those were spreading malware) or surfing Forbes is a malware vector as well.
As well, you buy a new computer these days - what comes on it? Yup, W10. Windows 10 downloaded without permission on computers, It had microsoft-ese on the popup screens that got people to "accidentally install it. On my W7 install, a blank screen would pop up, and anywhere you clicked in it it tried to install W10. Eventually I had to go into task manager to kill the strange blank windows that would pop up. This was an all out timeshare salesman like approach that had a lot of people install accidentally.
So please don't take the victim blaming approach here. No one should buy a computer knowing that it will get screwed up, or have an accident that installs the screwed up OS. Business is not supposed to take the Carny vs rube attitude Microsoft has taken to their customers.
Meanwhile, after abandoning W10 and staying on my W7 install, despite Microsoft trying to trick me, I've disabled updates, and approach 100 percent uptime. Life is gooder!
You don't have a choice with Windows 10 home. You can't turn off updates.
Nor do you with W10 pro. The pseudo choice you have with W10 Pro is that you can only delay the Bohica updates for a little while. So it's like your computer gets fucked up a little later.
I once said Windows 10 wasn't ready for prime time. I was wrong.
Windows 10 simply does not work, and if you haven't been boned by it, it only means you haven't been boned by it yet.
Since Microsoft is now the leading malware vector, they seriously must allow everyone to turn off their Bohica updates. It's the only way that people can have at least some assurance that their computers will work.
No they were not. The engines were not fired. It happened during fueling.
You are correct, the engines were not running. This happened before the static test. My confusion was based on it being part of the test. My bad for certain.
What do you mean "already lit"? This was during the refueling.
It was during a static firing test. Rocket held down to the pad, first stage engines running.
Like the cry of a seagull?
One of many possibilities. To me it sounded like a very cold substance coming into contact with metal.
Private company hikes prices by a lot, and scams the Guvmint.
Which somehow becomes an indictment of "socialized" medicine, and showing how the private market is superior and honest and trustworthy.
Which, as the linked video shows, was neither odd nor a shadow - I don't know why this was even included in the summary. It was never anything of interest to anyone but UFO kooks.
As is this story.
The direction of their investigation was obvious from their previous release where they were talking about the breach in the helium system. They had a "large breach" that could not be explained, so what else fits the description better than a projectile?
A pipeline breaking at a joint? A valve leaking through an inlet port? A seam coming apart?
Explain why a sniper would go after the second stage and not the first. Much larger target area, already lit.
When Musk tweeted earlier, "particularly trying to understand the quieter bang sound a few seconds before the fireball goes off", I was kinda hoping he wasn't implying something.
I doubt it. Immediately before the disassembly, there was a screeching noise, and then another noise. Whatever it was, it didn't sound like any firearm.
Commentary such as is is just people trying to put what pieces they can find together after the event. I'd like to understand those sounds as well. For the life of me, I can't imagine a competitor a-sniping.
Spacex has been having some issues with that second stage. This isn't surprising that issues come up. When dealing with candles, there is a big learning curve, and if anyone doubts it, NASA and before them NACA, had rapid disassembly events on the launchpad - a lot of them. They are all on Youtube for people to see.
Not only does the video link not match the description,
"video that appeared to show an odd shadow, then a white spot on the roof of a nearby building"
it's tantamount to a propaganda video of exactly the sort I'd pay for if I wanted to ridicule anyone conducting an actual investigation into my industrial sabotage. How the fuck did this get past Slashdot editors?
Amazing your post has been modded as flamebait. Really amazing that Slashdot is playing to the Alex Jones crowd.
The video, which I have watched dozens of times, doesn't show anything weird at all. One of the "UFOs" was a seagull, another probably a bug. There is a fellow who does Youtube videos who calls himself "thunderfoot" - yes - that thunderfoot, the anti-modern day feminist, but he puts together a pretty good analysis.
While not conclusive, he pretty much debunks this conspiracy theory of launchpad sabotage.
As well, anyone wanting to sabotage the second stage would find the easiest path would be during buildup of the second stage.
The breach almost certainly started at the interface between the second stage fuel and Oxidant tanks, which share a shell. Where in that area remains in question, but that's where it starts. There is an odd screech a second or so before the rapid disassembly that may or may not be connected to the event. The camera was some miles away, so a lot of things in between might make noise.
note: that screech, if related, sounds like what happens when an extremely cold substance comes in contact with warmer metal. You can duplicate this by putting a penny on a piece of dry ice. The penny will make wierd noises.
But don't the conspiracy folks have better things to do, like proving the moon mission was faked, or that Ted Cruz's father put the hit on John Kennedy, or that 9-11 was an inside job, or that electrical companies put the kibosh on perpetual motion?
Found the latte-sipper.
Quick! Assume anyone who has a different view from yours must be a nutjob!
Oh, wait...
Plain coffee, one half and half, one equal thank you.
Starbucks sucks, unless you want coffee that tastes like burnt pond mud. And latte is much too sweet wherever it comes from.
As for opinions, Bluestrat is incorrect about who has smartphones, as in a large majority of us have them now, even the pofolk. I don't have a BMW, I drive a Jeep.
His post is a non-sequitur because the amount of money one has no relation to either having a smartphone, or age to having a smartphone, or the type of vehicle to a smartphone, or the type of coffee one likes.
to a smartphone.
Or Amber alerts.
The real problem are what they are choosing to count as an "emergency." I mean sure, Japan bombs Pearl Harbor or planes crash into building - every phone should maybe light up. Most of the rest, probably should be categorized and allowed to be silenced or de-prioritized (or allowed to follow your phone's alert settings, like vibrate-only).
Bingo! All of the zealots will tell you their emergency is teh important one. We had an amber alert locally when a young boy was 5 minutes late getting home from school. We're talking the the dogs, the police every available emergency personnel scrambled into action.
It was a nice day, and he had just walked a little slower, enjoying the day. Flowers, cool insects. Sunshine. Stuff that makes for enjoyment in life. in 10 minutes, the emergency responders were told to stand down. I wonder if he was punished for walking slower?
And that was a total life threatening emergency with a statewide emergency response. A little fellow took a little longer than usual to get home.
We are soooooooo screwed up.
It's better than that.
The system itself is malware!
The only ones who get these typically-useless/out-of-locational-context alerts anyways are people with smartphones. Good luck warning Grandma or the poor with this waste of tax money who don't and likely will never have a smartphone. But thank God Mr. & Mrs. BMW get alerts at Starbucks paid for by the working-poor while they sit and sip their $8 lattes!
Strat
Congratulations for making one of the most non-sequitur, incoherent rants I've ever read.
Now quick - call me a libtard or spout some nonsense about me trying to take your guns away.
Fuck you and fuck you. fuck you and fuck you. Fuck you and fuck you all the way up to 964164. And fuck you for modding this instead of saying something smart or smart ass!
It's sad when someone mixes meth, coffee, and a desire to control others.
Chillaxe, brah - you can't control other people, and you're tearing yourself apart with anger in the attempt. I suggest Valerian root capsules, maybe some St John's Wort as well. Even out those moods without turning yourself into a prescription drug zombie.
And if you want the alerts, by all means take them. But you can't demand that others do that.
I have found this system useful. Although it is painful to hear that emergency signal go off minutes before the sirens go off, it may yet save my life. Also, I can attest that it has returned at least a couple small kids to their rightful guardian over the years. One of these was not a relative but an outright pedophile. To the detractors who say, "But it cannot be disabled!"... I cite my second experience over the first of my own life and say so fucking what? Are you going to complain about the TV you no longer watch and the radio you no longer listen to? Fuck off and I hope you never have kids in a situation that makes you oh so personally give a shit. Now find some flawed grammar and call it out.
Who says it can't be disabled? And who says they you are the determinant of what other people's phones do?
Let's use your logic.
We need a newer and better amber alert system. Did you know that some people have theirs alerts turned off? Did you know that there are still some people who don't have smartphones or televisions or have those turned off as well?
In order to achieve the needed granularity for the effective deployment of Amber alerts, we must immediately send police door to door to alert every citizen of a missing child. And anyone who does not admit the police to be informed, must be charged with child endangerment, as they might have had the one clue that would put the child back with their rightful guardians.
I just wrote what you did, only took it to the next level.
The FCC needs to fuck the right off.
How many people are they killing a year by disrupting sleep (which results in accidents) and distracting drivers with those "alert" texts that are rarely applicable?
I sincerely hope this is a Poe.
There should be two different types where you could configure settings/notification times. I am ok being notified 24/7 and woken up a when I am in danger such as an Earthquake
Mother nature has it's own alert system for earthquakes. It's a vibrate, and it can't be turned off.
Enable AMBER alerts. The AMBER alerts are designed and function explicitly to broaden the search for people harming kids. Some here are dismissing them as reactionary but the reality is time is important for catching these demons, especially before they can act.
And every single other zealot with every other single goal will use the same argument.
You might not like it, but the cellular phone system is going the way of the land lines, as in becoming useless.
And the increasing frequency of political calls, the escalating alert system (seriously why on fucking earth do I need a photo of some place that has just suffered a disaster? or many more characters? All of this feature creep just puts the amber alerts and the weather alerts and the disaster alerts and the endless spamming as background noise.
And if you are connected to a University, you can get alerts for sexual assault as well. Oddly enough, none seem to go to court, but you can be woken up at 4 in the morning to learn that an unknown person was sexually assaulted by an unknown person at an unknown time and an unknown place and was reported by an unknown person. And someone thought it was really important that we get that notice. They are in other words, required to let me know that someone made a prank phone call one night.
I don't have the time in a day to be alerted or deal with all of the people and groups that think I really really really need whatever it is they really really really need to tell me.
So the alerts get turned off, and the phone is not answered unless it is someone in my address book.
He any relation to Gordon Shumway?
What happens when they get in a position of authority and results are expected?
They never actually made it that far. We had two who were worth anything, and one took a new job in another city, and the other one went on to get an advanced degree. Both young women by the way, and both excellent co-workers.
The vast majority discovered that you don't get a promotion for showing up on time, and unlike your parents, the older people at work weren't there to serve them, and they burnt out - and I kid you not - moved back in with Mom and Dad, in once case Grandma.
It's actually rather impressive how long that thing keeps running after it's unplanned rapid disassembly.
It was a tough one. I figure at least 15 pounds of unbalance.