I'm 47-YO, 5'-11" and 350 pounds (see pic link below). According to BMI and the experts on Slashdot, I'm morbidly obese and should have dropped dead three years ago.
Similar here, although I tip the scales around a hundred less. I cannot float, because of my density, but still considered morbid. But you can only get so much exercise, and waddya do when its unhealthy to get rid of any more body fat. At my Ice hockey "thinnest" I was 225, playing three games a week. And it's simply not possible to get that much exercise as you age.
Oh well, no one fat shames me in person for some reason.
But my good man,you appear to know that life isn't a game where the idea is to stretch out the years as much as possible, leaving a beautiful and fit corpse at the end, after you've given all of your estate to the nursing home you are in.
Life is to enjoy, to laugh and love, and is too short to eat like a rabbit. As long as you are content, its all good. Even if you live a few years less, the enjoyment of not having your number one goal to live as long as possible, but to be happy, will be well worth it.
Well I am shocked that you think that religion has anything to do with a man insulting his brother on Instagram or the resultant lawsuit.
A woman wins a lawsuit because the coffee she spilled on herself was hot? And this from a country that believes in "Freedom of the Press"? Shocked I tell you! Shocked!
That's what you sound like.
We don't stone too many adultresses to death however. That is a little shocking, yaknow?
What does a woman getting stoned for having adultry sound like?
Look, we both know what the deal is: The simple fact is, we're both "right", for differing values of "right".
- Great Bolshy Yarblockos -
Now it was MY turn to laugh!
Ah - I tried that one on you and you passed with flying colors.
BTW, for the record, I don't cotton to any of that "Cloud" stuff, either. Even though every single one of my Apple devices sings a siren-song of Cloud integration in numerous well designed, secure and really quite-handy ways. I am not such a Luddite that I don't see the advantages; but I am also wise enough to know that it's a slippery slope kinda thing.
Funny you mention that. I've remained on iPhoto instead of Photo because Photo seems to really want me to store my photos in the cloud. But the last two times I plugged in with my phone or my camera, it opened and imported them into Photo. Apple seems to be getting a little cloud crazy as well. Gotta check that out and change it back.
So when you say "it has access to your passwords" what you actually mean is that there was an optional feature to share your wifi password with others. So why didn't you say that to begin with? Why were you being deliberately ambiguous? Because you were trolling, instead of spreading information you were purposely spreading FUD. I told you that you wouldn't be able to demonstrate how such a person could get my internet banking password, you failed just as I said you would.
If I told you I had "your passwords" what would you understand that to mean?
Bullshit. Tell me what the difference is when someone you don't know amd never met can access your wifi not because you let them, but because you let someone else log on to your system? You can even have typed in your password so the initial person doesn't know it. But it doesn't matter, because everyone they are friends with on FB can attach to your wifi, with absolutely no permission from you.
If thy are logged in. they have yer faking password dood! Doesn't matter if they don't personally know it, just you and Microsoft know it. What is more, this is an opt-out system. Since most setups suggest using express settings, it was enabled by default.
And despite your faith that it is an awesome feature, Ther was enough outrage that even Microsoft took it out of W10
Thinking getting new printers is a bad thing is also likely your mistake.
You didn't read very well I see. I had to work with the computers that the "Friend of Microsoft" insisted they buy, effectively kicking me out of the loop. Paying attention to him cost them a lot of money. I just had to clean up the mess he caused. I was the guy that was called in when they had fucked up so badly their system didn't work, it was no system I'd ever spec out.
And later, when they decided maybe they should have listened to me, and I built their new system, the results were exactly as they wanted.
Now you are catching on! I don't deal in pedantry, or wishful thinking.
Pederasty has nothing to do with it.
Brat!, made me look to see if I made an innapropriate typo - then I laughed.
Microsoft lied (again), pure and simple. Some people (stupidly/greedily, IMHO) took them at their word.
Well yeah. But then again, as I posted in another message, the word is bandied about by pretty much everyone. Simple searches for Unlimited data storage and unlimited data plan prove this out.
So, since "Unlimited" doesn't equal "Unlimited" in your personal "User's Guide To The Real Meanings Of Common Words", what, pray tell, would you put the "limit" of "Unlimited" at?
Unlimited has no real place in my lexicon, I've used it more in this topic than I ever had in my life, before this. And before that it was just referring to "Unlimited" motorcycle racing classes. Which rather than the maximum sort of unlimited, simply defines that any displacement above a certain value is an acceptable entrant in the race.
In the Data and storage world, it is a weasel word. Because as noted in your dictionary definitions, people choose number 2 - boundless, infinite.
I'm just refusing to believe that anyone is offering boundless and infinite, so Unlimited is merely part of the noise floor to me; meaningless, and an attempt to distract. As an impossibility, it has no value whatsoever. If I need to say something is boundless and infinite, those are the words I use.
And besides, how is a person to really know when they exceed "your" limit of "Unlimited"?
Pretty simple. Microsoft cuts the storage limit - and will eventualy start charging for the service. And for Data, they turn the faucet to 2G after some preset amount of data at 4G.Don't worry, they'll let you know.
My whole take on this unlimited thing is that - Great Bolshy Yarblockos - who in their right mind with a functioning brain cell buys into that stupidity?
For myself, I have my own backup and storage, under my control, and with a shitload more storage space. I don't trust Microsoft or anyone else to my data. I have a Dropbox for people who need to send me large files, but nothing is there for more than a few minutes, so not stored.
Why? Because I know exactly what Unlimited Free Cloud storage means. And despite what you or some others might think, it is neither infinite or boundless, or even a dictionary version of unlimited, and never has been. And if the pedants succeed in making everyone cease and desist using Unlimited, there are other synonyms to use before they run out - not quite unlimited though.
> Definition? Unlimited means absolutely nothing to me. It is one of those words like Ultra! Super! Grade A!,
> Jumbo! SuperSized! Maximum!
Ok, let's not focus too much on what you personally know. You can look it up in a book, perhaps even online. Then you'll know what the word means.
Because words have static meanings, never to be changed. That's why we all speak olde English. Getrowe mn heorðgenat?
Let me turn it around; when I saw you can store 10GB on my server, how many GB is that? What if I offer you 10,000GB? How about 10,000TB? 1,000,000PB? Is there some point where you give up treating it as something tangible that's part of a contract, and start treating it as something it's acceptable to lie about? Does the same principle apply to bandwidth, contract length etc? And if so, why? And do you think that it's better for consumers if companies, having stated this or that limit, were forced to stick to them, with some consequences for lying?
What I think, and what I believe, is that many companies are not at all truthful, and since people allowed the first incorrect instances of "unlimited" to pass by some years ago, the word altered over time, to become something like Scotch tape, or Xerox copy. Something that every one refers to even though it might not be made by the companies they are referring to.
And since unlimited doesn't mean much at all when used as a maximum value beyond which you cannot go, as opposed to say motorcycle racing, where you might have a 100 CC class, a 250CC class, a 500 cc class, and an unlimited class - which means if you can figure out how to stuff a million CC displacement engine onto a bit that you can ride, you can compete in that class. Unlimited. Beyond a certain displacement, with only practical limits.
But when trying to use unlimited on devices with some serious constraints, and defining unlimited as infinite, well. perhaps we might try discussing how many angels can dance on the head os a pin.
Anyhow, I have no particular hopes of budging you from your attempts to apply a dictionary definition to marketing hyperbole. Doing that simply appears to be at odds with reality.
But for some odd reason, when they - or anyone - in the computer industry claims unlimited anything, I know sure as hell it isn't infinite, or even unlimited in teh dictionary sense. Its you will be able to store a certain amount, and afterward? nope!
So I can say that the word unlimited appears to have escaped the dictionary, and just become hype, and to all appearances is hype, but am still somehow wrong. Wow! That's ultra-mega ultimate amazing!
Unlimited cloud storage now means you can store stuff until they decide that they are done letting you store any more of your stuff.
So, you think that "Unlimited" means "Unlimited until we say you've reached our limit of Unlimited", right?
Now you are catching on! I don't deal in pedantry, or wishful thinking. I deal in reality, and at this point, and with all of the counterexamples of industry and their "Unlimited, you can have your quasi infinte definition if you want. I consider the industries definition of unlimited to be exactly what they do, and have been doing for years.
No more no less. I can say I'm totally wrong if that salves your need to be "right". But that won't ever correspond to how things actually are. And it will mke me wrong as well.
No, its that you are using a definition of unlimited that is not constrained by physics. Your definition is unlimited means infinite.
"Unlimited" as a marketing term has nothing to do with physical, rational, nor societal constraints.
It merely means that the purveyor will not impose artificial, arbitrary limits upon what each user can "use".
Your level of naivety is either unlimited by your definition, or infinite, by mine.
Do you remember the old Peanuts comic strip? Lucy would entice Charlie Brown into kicking a football, and every time pulling it way at the last second - he'd fall over. But he'd always fall for it.
How many times do you Charlie Browns have to fall for the same "Unlimited" hype before you realize it doesn't matter one little tiny infinitesimal bit what you think it means?
Unlimited cloud storage now means you can store stuff until they decide that they are done letting you store any more of your stuff. Now kick the football. Seriously, I won't pull it away from you, really, we've learned our lesson - come on, it'll be great - here ya go, it'll be a lot of fun. Kick it- you know you really want to. Pretty please?
Tell me how well Vista worked with all of the peripherals it made instantly obsolete.
I've never experienced that problem at home. Many of the Fortune 500 companies I've worked at in IT support ran Windows XP until Windows 7 came out. Vista in the workplace was a non-issue.
It was interesting times. This whole debacle is a case study in idiocy. I was doing work for a non-profit in 2007, and the head of their team for updating the computers and network was a "Friend of Microsoft" member. They were interested in cutting costs as much as possible, as a nonprofit might. I reccomended for their particular purpose that late model high end used computers running XP would be their best bet. Network stuff would be pretty cut and dried.
Friend of Microsoft would have no part of such nonsense. He said they should buy new Vista Basic computers. They then tried to do an endrun around the financial rules of the group, by having individuals buy the computers, then get reimbursed. I recused myself from any purchase decisions at that point, because I knew what was coming. So, they ended up with these shitty little Toshiba laptops that didn't even fit my definition of working. So I did what I could to get them to work. This meant stripping almost everything off hte computers, and turning off all CPU and drive sucking services like indexing off. And it was around that time that the peripheral incompatibility surfaced. No drivers. Microsoft made a decision that they weren't in the driver business, so all their printers and scanners screwed the pooch.
Then they decided that what was needed was to max out the RAM on each of the computers, so they spent a lot of money on that. It helped - a little.
But a little outside of warranty, the mobos started going bad. At this point, they called me in again because I had told them they were heading down the wrong road before, and they were starting to get the inkling that I might have been correct. It was a funny meeting, capped off with them trying to figure out how that could get Toshiba to "Escalate the issue" by playing on our non-profit status.
I did note to them that that wasn't going to happen because they were all considered the computers of the individual that bought them.
Finally, they asked me if I was willing to design and implement a new system. I asked them if they wanted a system that worked. This really pissed off Friend of Microsoft guy. I told them I would do it if they would name a committe of one - me to make all the decisions - Friend of Microsoft guy was turning red. They agreed, and Friend of Microsoft guy stormed out of the room.
And three weeks later, they had a fully functional network of computers that were replaced only last year with new ones. Friend of Microsoft guy is no longer there. Only one of those computers is still around. I keep it there just to remind them that they need to pay attention to who they listen to.
Yes, you can Unlimited in cases like this doesn't mean 'infinite', and no reasonable person would think it did.
Wait, so companies just get to lie and it's OK? "Unlimited" means unlimited. As in no limit to the amount of storage you use. To argue otherwise is odd.
No, its that you are using a definition of unlimited that is not constrained by physics. Your definition is unlimited means infinite.
Unlimited by now is just more ad copy hype, and means pretty much nothing at all. The closest it ever gets to your meaning is that people don't expect to ever be told they've exceed a limit. Microsoft is powerful, but they cannot bypass the laws of physics.
Or maybe Platinum Ultra Super Unlimited will signal when we hit infinity.
If you think unlimited *isn't* infinite, then what is it?
Microsoft's poor word choice is their fault, not anyone else's.
Do you think that there is a remote possibility of storing infinite data and passing it off at infinite speeds anywhere?
Remember that your definition requires all functions to be infinite, because if you don't have infinite transmission speed and infinite processing power, it is impossible to have infinite storage. So Microsoft and all other providers are lying, and the use of the word unlimited ends up meaning nothing in any case.
If you are going to go all pedantic over a now long obsolete definition of unlimited, you gotta make all of the functions unlimited as in infinite.
Yes, you can abuse something that it 'unlimited'. Unlimited in cases like this doesn't mean 'infinite', and no reasonable person would think it did.
That last part, "reasonable person" is the big clue. Too many have no idea, nor any intention of learning what it means. It was just like when my kid still lived at home, every time U upgraded my internt speed, it always seemd just as slow and even slower. . Then I started monitoring his data use. He just downloaded and torrented more. So he got a throttle on his connection in the end.
You are. It's false advertising to say it's unlimited, and then get upset when people use it in the manner which it was advertised.
If they wanted a cap of, say, 5 TB, they should have said it has a 5 TB cap. Not too hard to do.
Many people who use cloud services have no idea what a byte, Giga, or Tera is. So you'd have to edumacate them before they had an idea what that means. And those folks would think that Unlimited means infinite, and as long as they could retreive their midget shemale scat porn, it's all good.
Offer unlimited storage, and when people upload 75TB worth of data it's abuse.
How many TB isn't abuse again?
Help me out.
Before I answer, can you give me what you think the definition of "unlimited" is?
Definition? Unlimited means absolutely nothing to me. It is one of those words like Ultra! Super! Grade A!, Jumbo! SuperSized! Maximum!
All just pointless undefined ad content marketing hyperbole that means absolutely nothing.
The very nature of the physics involved puta an absolute upper limit on the amount of data either by speed or storage capacity.
Without looking it up, or asking or anything.
When you read the word "unlimited", what comes to mind?
That I'm being played at best, and more likely plain lied to. I don't care because I know that people lie a lot, and believe that other people are stupid.
Which is why I don't buy into "unlimited" anything. Cloud storage has used this technique from the beginning, and if people are foolish enough to think unlimited means infinite, and that Microsoft and other cloud providers are some benevolent Santa in the sky, eliminating any future storage costs, well, then perhaps they really aren't that smart.
Offer unlimited storage, and when people upload 75TB worth of data it's abuse.
But presenting misleading alerts to trick people into installing Windows10, that's perfectly acceptable.
What I don't understand is:
a) Why windows 10 users haven't filed a class-action suit against Microsoft.
The unlimited data thing has been around for so long that the meaning of the word has changed. Just like an unlimited data plan for some mobile phone company I heard. They plainly state that the Unlimited plan means the first 6 gigs are at 4G, and everything after that is 2G. Which is to say - darn near unusable. Microsoft OneDrive gives people a lot of storage until it doesn't any more.
That first hit is always free. And the people who would use OneDrive should know that's just how it works. My cloud sits on the desk nearby. And Microsoft has no control over how much I can use.
Microsoft already set a pretty low bar with Windows ME and Vista.
ME was unforgiveable. But Vista worked quite well with extra hardware like a quad-core processor and 4GB or more of RAM. Since I originally built my system for Vista, I had no problems running Windows 10.
Tell me how well Vista worked with all of the peripherals it made instantly obsolete. I remember a group that over my loud objections, forced me to upgrade them to Vista. Then my favorite moment was announcing to them that they just bought themselves a slew of new printers and scanners.
Vista eventually worked okay after the wide path of distruction it caused and nonfunctional machines it left from Vista Basic certified were buried.
it has your passwords and gives them to anyone on the social networks of people who you allow to access your computer
Now if this is true then you can demonstrate to me how such a person can get say my internet banking password. But I already know you can't do that because you're lying and your post is a troll.
Look up wifi sense. If you allow someone using Windows 10 or a Windows phone access to your wireless network, it will share that with others. So your buddy Joe's shady cousin can log on to your local network.
This is pretty well documented by Microsoft and others, I'm a little surprised that a W10 expert doesn't know that. Do you really need the citations? Okay, http://bgr.com/2015/08/03/wind...
As well, they bypass your hosts file a good bit. Anyone really concerned about privacy should have a non-microsoft firewall in the loop. Note that some sites they don't allow you to block should be allowed os that your computer acts properly.
To shorten up your my reply to yours, the places W10 phones home to are easily found if you wireshark them. They have been posted in here and other places.The mystery is not the names of where the phoning home occurs, but what is behind the names. Some might be normal checking for updates, maybe checking for legit software. The mystery is in the number.
Their allowing other people in a known friend's social network onto your wireless network after you allow a known friend on it is known and called WiFi Sense. You want citations? Here's your citations:
Your cute definition of keylogging is noted. You do realize that is saying that word processing and email is keylogging as well? Obviously there are times we want info going to Microsoft. This is not about those times.
Anyhow, there is plenty of documentation out there of Windows 10's invasiveness, And sorry, you didn't disprove anything.
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I'm 47-YO, 5'-11" and 350 pounds (see pic link below). According to BMI and the experts on Slashdot, I'm morbidly obese and should have dropped dead three years ago.
Similar here, although I tip the scales around a hundred less. I cannot float, because of my density, but still considered morbid. But you can only get so much exercise, and waddya do when its unhealthy to get rid of any more body fat. At my Ice hockey "thinnest" I was 225, playing three games a week. And it's simply not possible to get that much exercise as you age.
Oh well, no one fat shames me in person for some reason.
But my good man,you appear to know that life isn't a game where the idea is to stretch out the years as much as possible, leaving a beautiful and fit corpse at the end, after you've given all of your estate to the nursing home you are in.
Life is to enjoy, to laugh and love, and is too short to eat like a rabbit. As long as you are content, its all good. Even if you live a few years less, the enjoyment of not having your number one goal to live as long as possible, but to be happy, will be well worth it.
Live long and prosper.
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Because they want to.
Well I am shocked that you think that religion has anything to do with a man insulting his brother on Instagram or the resultant lawsuit.
A woman wins a lawsuit because the coffee she spilled on herself was hot? And this from a country that believes in "Freedom of the Press"? Shocked I tell you! Shocked!
That's what you sound like.
We don't stone too many adultresses to death however. That is a little shocking, yaknow?
What does a woman getting stoned for having adultry sound like?
Look, we both know what the deal is: The simple fact is, we're both "right", for differing values of "right".
- Great Bolshy Yarblockos -
Now it was MY turn to laugh!
Ah - I tried that one on you and you passed with flying colors.
BTW, for the record, I don't cotton to any of that "Cloud" stuff, either. Even though every single one of my Apple devices sings a siren-song of Cloud integration in numerous well designed, secure and really quite-handy ways. I am not such a Luddite that I don't see the advantages; but I am also wise enough to know that it's a slippery slope kinda thing.
Funny you mention that. I've remained on iPhoto instead of Photo because Photo seems to really want me to store my photos in the cloud. But the last two times I plugged in with my phone or my camera, it opened and imported them into Photo. Apple seems to be getting a little cloud crazy as well. Gotta check that out and change it back.
So when you say "it has access to your passwords" what you actually mean is that there was an optional feature to share your wifi password with others. So why didn't you say that to begin with? Why were you being deliberately ambiguous? Because you were trolling, instead of spreading information you were purposely spreading FUD. I told you that you wouldn't be able to demonstrate how such a person could get my internet banking password, you failed just as I said you would.
If I told you I had "your passwords" what would you understand that to mean?
Bullshit. Tell me what the difference is when someone you don't know amd never met can access your wifi not because you let them, but because you let someone else log on to your system? You can even have typed in your password so the initial person doesn't know it. But it doesn't matter, because everyone they are friends with on FB can attach to your wifi, with absolutely no permission from you.
If thy are logged in. they have yer faking password dood! Doesn't matter if they don't personally know it, just you and Microsoft know it. What is more, this is an opt-out system. Since most setups suggest using express settings, it was enabled by default.
And despite your faith that it is an awesome feature, Ther was enough outrage that even Microsoft took it out of W10
Using Basic at a business was your first mistake.
Thinking getting new printers is a bad thing is also likely your mistake.
You didn't read very well I see. I had to work with the computers that the "Friend of Microsoft" insisted they buy, effectively kicking me out of the loop. Paying attention to him cost them a lot of money. I just had to clean up the mess he caused. I was the guy that was called in when they had fucked up so badly their system didn't work, it was no system I'd ever spec out.
And later, when they decided maybe they should have listened to me, and I built their new system, the results were exactly as they wanted.
Now you are catching on! I don't deal in pedantry, or wishful thinking.
Pederasty has nothing to do with it.
Brat!, made me look to see if I made an innapropriate typo - then I laughed.
Microsoft lied (again), pure and simple. Some people (stupidly/greedily, IMHO) took them at their word.
Well yeah. But then again, as I posted in another message, the word is bandied about by pretty much everyone. Simple searches for Unlimited data storage and unlimited data plan prove this out.
So, since "Unlimited" doesn't equal "Unlimited" in your personal "User's Guide To The Real Meanings Of Common Words", what, pray tell, would you put the "limit" of "Unlimited" at?
Unlimited has no real place in my lexicon, I've used it more in this topic than I ever had in my life, before this. And before that it was just referring to "Unlimited" motorcycle racing classes. Which rather than the maximum sort of unlimited, simply defines that any displacement above a certain value is an acceptable entrant in the race.
In the Data and storage world, it is a weasel word. Because as noted in your dictionary definitions, people choose number 2 - boundless, infinite.
I'm just refusing to believe that anyone is offering boundless and infinite, so Unlimited is merely part of the noise floor to me; meaningless, and an attempt to distract. As an impossibility, it has no value whatsoever. If I need to say something is boundless and infinite, those are the words I use.
And besides, how is a person to really know when they exceed "your" limit of "Unlimited"?
Pretty simple. Microsoft cuts the storage limit - and will eventualy start charging for the service. And for Data, they turn the faucet to 2G after some preset amount of data at 4G.Don't worry, they'll let you know.
My whole take on this unlimited thing is that - Great Bolshy Yarblockos - who in their right mind with a functioning brain cell buys into that stupidity?
For myself, I have my own backup and storage, under my control, and with a shitload more storage space. I don't trust Microsoft or anyone else to my data. I have a Dropbox for people who need to send me large files, but nothing is there for more than a few minutes, so not stored.
Why? Because I know exactly what Unlimited Free Cloud storage means. And despite what you or some others might think, it is neither infinite or boundless, or even a dictionary version of unlimited, and never has been. And if the pedants succeed in making everyone cease and desist using Unlimited, there are other synonyms to use before they run out - not quite unlimited though.
LOL, you forgot infinite time.
But, "a now long obsolete definition of unlimited" is just plain dumbass.
MSFT never said infinitely fast, or infinite power, or whatever other shit argument you're trying to come up with. They SAID unlimited storage.
You realize that there are plenty of examples of exactly what I am referring to .
And you are arguing against the situation as it exists, denying reality.
A simple DuckDuck go search of unlimited data plans yields many results - You saying that they are actually unlimited?
Unliimted data storage - another search reveals a lot of links to unlimited plans. You saying these are really offering unlimited storage?
Seriously, I don't like calling people stupid so I won't, but your sense of unreaality is nothing short of breathtaking.
Thank you for calling me a dumbass, though. Based on what you wrote, I want you to think I'm a dumbass.
> Definition? Unlimited means absolutely nothing to me. It is one of those words like Ultra! Super! Grade A!, > Jumbo! SuperSized! Maximum!
Ok, let's not focus too much on what you personally know. You can look it up in a book, perhaps even online. Then you'll know what the word means.
Because words have static meanings, never to be changed. That's why we all speak olde English. Getrowe mn heorðgenat?
Let me turn it around; when I saw you can store 10GB on my server, how many GB is that? What if I offer you 10,000GB? How about 10,000TB? 1,000,000PB? Is there some point where you give up treating it as something tangible that's part of a contract, and start treating it as something it's acceptable to lie about? Does the same principle apply to bandwidth, contract length etc? And if so, why? And do you think that it's better for consumers if companies, having stated this or that limit, were forced to stick to them, with some consequences for lying?
What I think, and what I believe, is that many companies are not at all truthful, and since people allowed the first incorrect instances of "unlimited" to pass by some years ago, the word altered over time, to become something like Scotch tape, or Xerox copy. Something that every one refers to even though it might not be made by the companies they are referring to.
And since unlimited doesn't mean much at all when used as a maximum value beyond which you cannot go, as opposed to say motorcycle racing, where you might have a 100 CC class, a 250CC class, a 500 cc class, and an unlimited class - which means if you can figure out how to stuff a million CC displacement engine onto a bit that you can ride, you can compete in that class. Unlimited. Beyond a certain displacement, with only practical limits.
But when trying to use unlimited on devices with some serious constraints, and defining unlimited as infinite, well. perhaps we might try discussing how many angels can dance on the head os a pin.
Anyhow, I have no particular hopes of budging you from your attempts to apply a dictionary definition to marketing hyperbole. Doing that simply appears to be at odds with reality.
But for some odd reason, when they - or anyone - in the computer industry claims unlimited anything, I know sure as hell it isn't infinite, or even unlimited in teh dictionary sense. Its you will be able to store a certain amount, and afterward? nope!
So I can say that the word unlimited appears to have escaped the dictionary, and just become hype, and to all appearances is hype, but am still somehow wrong. Wow! That's ultra-mega ultimate amazing!
Unlimited cloud storage now means you can store stuff until they decide that they are done letting you store any more of your stuff.
So, you think that "Unlimited" means "Unlimited until we say you've reached our limit of Unlimited", right?
Now you are catching on! I don't deal in pedantry, or wishful thinking. I deal in reality, and at this point, and with all of the counterexamples of industry and their "Unlimited, you can have your quasi infinte definition if you want. I consider the industries definition of unlimited to be exactly what they do, and have been doing for years.
No more no less. I can say I'm totally wrong if that salves your need to be "right". But that won't ever correspond to how things actually are. And it will mke me wrong as well.
No, its that you are using a definition of unlimited that is not constrained by physics. Your definition is unlimited means infinite.
"Unlimited" as a marketing term has nothing to do with physical, rational, nor societal constraints.
It merely means that the purveyor will not impose artificial, arbitrary limits upon what each user can "use".
Your level of naivety is either unlimited by your definition, or infinite, by mine.
Do you remember the old Peanuts comic strip? Lucy would entice Charlie Brown into kicking a football, and every time pulling it way at the last second - he'd fall over. But he'd always fall for it.
How many times do you Charlie Browns have to fall for the same "Unlimited" hype before you realize it doesn't matter one little tiny infinitesimal bit what you think it means?
Unlimited cloud storage now means you can store stuff until they decide that they are done letting you store any more of your stuff. Now kick the football. Seriously, I won't pull it away from you, really, we've learned our lesson - come on, it'll be great - here ya go, it'll be a lot of fun. Kick it- you know you really want to. Pretty please?
Tell me how well Vista worked with all of the peripherals it made instantly obsolete.
I've never experienced that problem at home. Many of the Fortune 500 companies I've worked at in IT support ran Windows XP until Windows 7 came out. Vista in the workplace was a non-issue.
It was interesting times. This whole debacle is a case study in idiocy. I was doing work for a non-profit in 2007, and the head of their team for updating the computers and network was a "Friend of Microsoft" member. They were interested in cutting costs as much as possible, as a nonprofit might. I reccomended for their particular purpose that late model high end used computers running XP would be their best bet. Network stuff would be pretty cut and dried.
Friend of Microsoft would have no part of such nonsense. He said they should buy new Vista Basic computers. They then tried to do an endrun around the financial rules of the group, by having individuals buy the computers, then get reimbursed. I recused myself from any purchase decisions at that point, because I knew what was coming. So, they ended up with these shitty little Toshiba laptops that didn't even fit my definition of working. So I did what I could to get them to work. This meant stripping almost everything off hte computers, and turning off all CPU and drive sucking services like indexing off. And it was around that time that the peripheral incompatibility surfaced. No drivers. Microsoft made a decision that they weren't in the driver business, so all their printers and scanners screwed the pooch.
Then they decided that what was needed was to max out the RAM on each of the computers, so they spent a lot of money on that. It helped - a little.
But a little outside of warranty, the mobos started going bad. At this point, they called me in again because I had told them they were heading down the wrong road before, and they were starting to get the inkling that I might have been correct. It was a funny meeting, capped off with them trying to figure out how that could get Toshiba to "Escalate the issue" by playing on our non-profit status.
I did note to them that that wasn't going to happen because they were all considered the computers of the individual that bought them.
Finally, they asked me if I was willing to design and implement a new system. I asked them if they wanted a system that worked. This really pissed off Friend of Microsoft guy. I told them I would do it if they would name a committe of one - me to make all the decisions - Friend of Microsoft guy was turning red. They agreed, and Friend of Microsoft guy stormed out of the room.
And three weeks later, they had a fully functional network of computers that were replaced only last year with new ones. Friend of Microsoft guy is no longer there. Only one of those computers is still around. I keep it there just to remind them that they need to pay attention to who they listen to.
Yes, you can Unlimited in cases like this doesn't mean 'infinite', and no reasonable person would think it did.
Wait, so companies just get to lie and it's OK? "Unlimited" means unlimited. As in no limit to the amount of storage you use. To argue otherwise is odd.
No, its that you are using a definition of unlimited that is not constrained by physics. Your definition is unlimited means infinite.
Unlimited by now is just more ad copy hype, and means pretty much nothing at all. The closest it ever gets to your meaning is that people don't expect to ever be told they've exceed a limit. Microsoft is powerful, but they cannot bypass the laws of physics.
Or maybe Platinum Ultra Super Unlimited will signal when we hit infinity.
If you think unlimited *isn't* infinite, then what is it?
Microsoft's poor word choice is their fault, not anyone else's.
Do you think that there is a remote possibility of storing infinite data and passing it off at infinite speeds anywhere?
Remember that your definition requires all functions to be infinite, because if you don't have infinite transmission speed and infinite processing power, it is impossible to have infinite storage. So Microsoft and all other providers are lying, and the use of the word unlimited ends up meaning nothing in any case.
If you are going to go all pedantic over a now long obsolete definition of unlimited, you gotta make all of the functions unlimited as in infinite.
Yes, you can abuse something that it 'unlimited'. Unlimited in cases like this doesn't mean 'infinite', and no reasonable person would think it did.
That last part, "reasonable person" is the big clue. Too many have no idea, nor any intention of learning what it means. It was just like when my kid still lived at home, every time U upgraded my internt speed, it always seemd just as slow and even slower. . Then I started monitoring his data use. He just downloaded and torrented more. So he got a throttle on his connection in the end.
You are. It's false advertising to say it's unlimited, and then get upset when people use it in the manner which it was advertised.
If they wanted a cap of, say, 5 TB, they should have said it has a 5 TB cap. Not too hard to do.
Many people who use cloud services have no idea what a byte, Giga, or Tera is. So you'd have to edumacate them before they had an idea what that means. And those folks would think that Unlimited means infinite, and as long as they could retreive their midget shemale scat porn, it's all good.
How many TB isn't abuse again?
Help me out.
Before I answer, can you give me what you think the definition of "unlimited" is?
Definition? Unlimited means absolutely nothing to me. It is one of those words like Ultra! Super! Grade A!, Jumbo! SuperSized! Maximum!
All just pointless undefined ad content marketing hyperbole that means absolutely nothing.
The very nature of the physics involved puta an absolute upper limit on the amount of data either by speed or storage capacity.
Without looking it up, or asking or anything.
When you read the word "unlimited", what comes to mind?
That I'm being played at best, and more likely plain lied to. I don't care because I know that people lie a lot, and believe that other people are stupid.
Which is why I don't buy into "unlimited" anything. Cloud storage has used this technique from the beginning, and if people are foolish enough to think unlimited means infinite, and that Microsoft and other cloud providers are some benevolent Santa in the sky, eliminating any future storage costs, well, then perhaps they really aren't that smart.
Let's add to that.
Offer unlimited storage, and when people upload 75TB worth of data it's abuse.
But presenting misleading alerts to trick people into installing Windows10, that's perfectly acceptable.
What I don't understand is:
a) Why windows 10 users haven't filed a class-action suit against Microsoft.
The unlimited data thing has been around for so long that the meaning of the word has changed. Just like an unlimited data plan for some mobile phone company I heard. They plainly state that the Unlimited plan means the first 6 gigs are at 4G, and everything after that is 2G. Which is to say - darn near unusable. Microsoft OneDrive gives people a lot of storage until it doesn't any more.
That first hit is always free. And the people who would use OneDrive should know that's just how it works. My cloud sits on the desk nearby. And Microsoft has no control over how much I can use.
Microsoft already set a pretty low bar with Windows ME and Vista.
ME was unforgiveable. But Vista worked quite well with extra hardware like a quad-core processor and 4GB or more of RAM. Since I originally built my system for Vista, I had no problems running Windows 10.
Tell me how well Vista worked with all of the peripherals it made instantly obsolete. I remember a group that over my loud objections, forced me to upgrade them to Vista. Then my favorite moment was announcing to them that they just bought themselves a slew of new printers and scanners.
Vista eventually worked okay after the wide path of distruction it caused and nonfunctional machines it left from Vista Basic certified were buried.
it has your passwords and gives them to anyone on the social networks of people who you allow to access your computer Now if this is true then you can demonstrate to me how such a person can get say my internet banking password. But I already know you can't do that because you're lying and your post is a troll.
Look up wifi sense. If you allow someone using Windows 10 or a Windows phone access to your wireless network, it will share that with others. So your buddy Joe's shady cousin can log on to your local network.
This is pretty well documented by Microsoft and others, I'm a little surprised that a W10 expert doesn't know that. Do you really need the citations? Okay, http://bgr.com/2015/08/03/wind...
They did finally kill it after massive outrage: http://www.extremetech.com/com...
As for my other assertations, if you have W10, you've certainly read the security and privacy settings? It's all in there, except for the telemetry part So here ya go: http://arstechnica.com/informa... https://forums.untangle.com/we...
http://www.dslreports.com/foru...
As well, they bypass your hosts file a good bit. Anyone really concerned about privacy should have a non-microsoft firewall in the loop. Note that some sites they don't allow you to block should be allowed os that your computer acts properly.
Their allowing other people in a known friend's social network onto your wireless network after you allow a known friend on it is known and called WiFi Sense. You want citations? Here's your citations:
http://www.extremetech.com/ext... http://bgr.com/2015/08/03/wind...
Your cute definition of keylogging is noted. You do realize that is saying that word processing and email is keylogging as well? Obviously there are times we want info going to Microsoft. This is not about those times.
Anyhow, there is plenty of documentation out there of Windows 10's invasiveness, And sorry, you didn't disprove anything.
Too bad some of the faithful cannot refute all of my points, instead of shills with mod points trying to bury it.
I mean really, prove what I wrote is incorrect lies or just plain wrong.
Have you guys Binged Ariel Winter on Google recently?
Wait.... was that a typo?
No but you should Go ogle her on Bing.
Huh, so that's what happened to the little sister on Modern Family. Quite cute, but maybe trying a little too hard.
We could also build gas chambers. That idea is going to gain a lot of traction in the coming years.
Good old Hate. It always works as a motivator in the short run. Then in the long term, it always eats itself.
Is the car gluten free?