You are making sweeping generalisations of an entire generation of artists. Think back to any time in history - was there a time when all musicians produced similar music? When they all thought alike? When they all shared a precise level of skill? Of course not.
Okay, speaking of sweeping generalizations, it is pretty important to understand that I am talking about Pop music, not every single artist out there today.
Your argument makes no sense,
That's because you are making up an argument for me to have, then attacking it.
and appears precisely like the argument of someone feeling incredibly lost in a once-familiar territory. The problem might not be with the musicians (who apparently all started to become identical), but with you.
Older people have been complaining about the music of younger generations since music began.
You managed to steer the argument to the old geezer strawman. If you read my other posts, you'll see that I listen to a lot of different music. Many forms of music that are made today. You can catch me listening to folk music progressive rock, metal music, modern and old classic some hip-hop, and even industrial, - But that isn't even a point, because it just shows my taste in music is relatively wide, and there is no accounting for that.
But I do detest the modern version of pop music. Endless hooks, like pouring the entire container of salt on your dinner, Autotune - jeezuz, can't they find a person who can hold a tune. In the end, it's pretty people singing computer derived hooks sounding like they are singint through a kazoo. And it's so repetitive that all the songs sound incredibly similar.
And if some people like it - fine. My original point in this anyhow was that I have a lot of money to spend. But I won't buy shit and call it filet mignon. Anyhow I hope I addressed where you tried to lead this argument. Make up more shit I was supposed to have said so you a knock it down, and I'll just let you speak to the hand and ignore you.
You should look for music you like. If you expect your music to be spoon-fed to you, don't be surprised when it's anodyne slop. There are amazing artists out there who are releasing music not at all like you describe.
Umm, I do look for music I like, dunno where you got the idea I didn't.
Case in point: the fact that a few inches of snow in the middle of "winter" utterly confuses drivers is supposed to be evidence that snow fall happens just as regular as in the past?
And how. We've had maybe two inches of snow for the entire winter, and the tools seem to be trying to get a whole winter's worth of snow related wrecks into that time.
The scary part is that they expect to continue to drive at 80 mph at all times, and get into ridiculous pileups.
But for all of the weird quotes of scientists saying things that just sound oddly wrong, like this its never going to show again nonsense, all it takes is a little research, because no scientist would say that.
If the average temperature goes up by a degree C, it doesn't mean that it will never snow. Add a degree to many places on earth, and it still gets darned cold in the winter. And water will exist in solid form in those areas.
Now what he did say, is that would become a much rarer event - yes, that is very plausible.
One wild card in that mix, at least as concerns the British Isles, where he is from.
There is a possibility that the gulf stream might be weakened or diverted by the cold fresh water ingress from Greenland. This is not a certain thing. The Gulf stream has a huge effect on the weather, given that at this time, palm trees grow in Ireland. All the more remarkable in that we're talking about The Isles having a latitude similar to Montana or lower Canada. If the Gulf Stram is interrupted, the climate might change to a more latitude appropriate level. IOW, it's gonna get cold.
But yeah, the inabilty to hold a note is no impediment if a person is "hot" enough today.
I can't believe I actually miss Randy Jackson, judge on American Idol, and his "sorry, that was a little pitchy, dawg."
Confession time! I've watch a lot of auditions for the Idol and Got talent shows, and enjoyed him as well as most of th others. Except Posh Spice, she just didn't bring much to the table.
My son subjects me to awful contemporary pop music and it's surprising how much of it appears to lack much in the way of instrumentation. Quite often it's *just* a simple beat with repetitive rapping type lyrics, which often seems more like yelling than singing.
Yes, actual real professional musicians.
There was an exceptionally interesting bit about modern Pop music on Studio 360 a few weeks ago. http://www.wnyc.org/story/hit-...
Present day pop music is indeed a factory. Computer generated, and people "pick" the songs they will have hits of. Zero creativity, and one funny part is how two separate "artists" picked the same music to do. As well as today's op music, with it's multitude of hooks with no music meat in between, you have music made for ADHD people. And that's no joke.
They may not be, but today's pop music is not geared toward emotionally mature adults. It's geard toward children. Whether the overly sexualized performances are remotely good to have pre-pubescent children watch is in question though.
By the way - is Twerking supposed to be sexy? It always reminded me of a woman trying to shake off a bit of crap that's stuck to her ass cheeks.
LOL! Try to realize that people once complained about Mozart creating crap music and then realize whatever kind of music _you_ prefer actually is still created! In essence you think you are the arbitrator of what suck and not, just as every generation have thought the "new" kind of music worse/more immoral than the thing they grew up with.
The idea that Justin Bieber or Miley Cyrus might be be revered as an equal to Mozart is pretty amusing. While Mozart is not may favorite classical composer - I'm more likely to be caught listening to JS Bach or Rameau or Glass - there is a immense difference between any of the classical Masters and today's pop music. The Masters understood and played music. They were not chosen because of their physical looks. Their music was composed by humans and not a selection of "hooks" assembled by a computer. And they didn't have to worry about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... turning into this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
This was a modern day pop idol, with absolutely no talent whatsoever. Aside from this sentence, it should be a crime to compare Ashlee Simpson and all of the rest of the autotune crowd to Mozart.
I like a lot of dfferent types of music. You could catch me listening to Viking Death metal now and again, but it has to be good. This shit is just that - shit.
For your penance, you have to listen to both clips, say ten Hail Mary's and make a good act of contrition. Go forth and sin no more.
The apple tree song, with Shemp from the Three Stooges is in it as well.
But yeah, the inabilty to hold a note is no impediment if a person is "hot" enough today. The odd thing is that autotune has the same effect on me as running fingernails on a blackboard does. We're supposed to like it?
Now they might try putting out music that didn't suck. Seriously, today's twerk-a-licious and computer generated, autotuned stuff makes 1960's bubblegum music and disco look good.
For them to want to do this, their listeners would have to "encourage" them to do so.
Based upon the popularity of shows such as American Idol, this won't happen any time soon.:-(
I have to have something listenable to encourage me to listen.
As usual, the industry is trying its best to commit suicide. YouTube is popular because the main consumers of their crap are kids with no money who in years past would have turned on the radio.
Funny you should mention Youtube. I go there to ocatch some old stuff I remember, and some stuff I didn't hear before.
What is interesting is that there is enough older music that is fresh to me because I didn't hear them when it came out.
Some hidden gems: Album Pop goes the world by Men without Hats. Everyone was so used to their "Safety Dance" song, they got typecast. PGTW is a concept album, with some treats on it like Ian Anderson doing flute on one of the songs.
"In the 21st Century", a song done toward the end of their pop run is interesting as well. Actual lyrics that make sense in their serious songs.
Also a great place to pick up Phillip Glass stuff, and I've been fascinated by Annie Lennox/Eurythmics lately,
Now they might try putting out music that didn't suck. Seriously, today's twerk-a-licious and computer generated, autotuned stuff makes 1960's bubblegum music and disco look good.
Nah that would require some effort, better to just reuse the same old crap that just keeps on selling. There's always a fresh new batch of thirteen year olds every year.
Yet one of these days, someone will come along and catch everyone with their pants down (esp Miley Cyrus) and change things - I hope.
There was a similar tine in the early 1960's when music was in a real doldrum.
Now they might try putting out music that didn't suck. Seriously, today's twerk-a-licious and computer generated, autotuned stuff makes 1960's bubblegum music and disco look good.
Way to miss the point. Ugly isn't a crime, and neither are guilty. It's just that so many folks think Palin is so fapworthy and bloviate about that all the time.
Of course the popular name will be used. That boat is Boaty McBoatface.
Never ask questions if you have no intention of listening to the answer. Never try to control people you cannot control. This is a little bit like UC Davis spending all of that money to bury Officer Peppery McPepperspray's deed. Now a lot of people are posting those photos of him spraying those students all over the place. On purpose. That worked out well, eh?
Apart from filling with decent coffee of the correct grind, how do you need to know what you're doing? My inlaws have and olde fashinde percolator---ceramic 1960s thing and it's great. You load with decent coffee[*] hit go and when it stops thunking you get a great cup of coffee out. Easy to clean too.
That was probably an electric perk? I always forget about those, so you are right about that. I've seen people who think they have to boil their perc coffee. Put that brat on high and uck. Which is what I was thinking about.
I really don't understand why they've gone so far out of use.
Marketing maybe? I dunno - in a world where people go to great lengths to make the Barista jump though hoops, that the tiny bit of technique needed for perking coffee - even less if an electric perk - doesn't make sense.
I also kind of hate the in-store grinders because someone always ends up putting that nasty flavoured syrup coated shit in the grinder which contaminates everything else with its nasty flavour.
Now THAT's disgusting! Is there some rationale for that, rather than putting the stuff in like normal people do - after it is brewed?
Then again, I might just understand why religion causes people to try to eliminate other religions. But everyone has the right to their own beliefs as long as they aren't slicing off women's private bits or flying airplanes into buildings. Then I get mad, just like Mr Bigglesworth.
But I don't think this specific case really is about someone elses religion; it seems this guy really doesn't believe and really is just using the 'religion' as a tool.
And isn't that the trap of religion? It's been used as a tool by many who are using it to make a lot of money, control, or other things.
Hmmmm. I bought 10 reuseable cups direct from China for $10 and they work well. Not perfectly because the wire mesh is a little too large for my favorite grind so sediment gets through. I could supplement with a paper filter but don't mind sediment 'cause I drink loose leaf tea as well. I kinda like a bit of sediment.
Hell, I can still make a decent cup in an old fashioned percolator that'll taste better than a k-cup machine.
Yes - percolators can make excellent coffee when made by people who know what they are doing. I've made some great stuff in a perc on a old Coleman's stove that gets raves.
It probably makes more sense for people who don't drink much coffee; but, if you were a pot-a-day family, the cost of replacing that with a Keurig is ludicrous. We're spending easily $50 a month, just on coffee! And it doesn't seem like those things actually save you any effort - it's just that it's spaced out throughout the day. If it made really good coffee, that might sway me... but it's worse than brewing a pot.
I like to tell people that, if my wife pre-deceases me, even before I call the mortician I'm putting that Keurig in the trash. I hate it that much.
Exactly.
Where we have our board meetings, the people have one of these. Nothing more annnoying than taking half the meeting just to get everyone a cup. It's the decision whether to get coffee early, and have it get cold while you politely wait for everyone else to get a hot cup but smell it for a long time before you can get it.
Soooo convenient a solution to the age old problem of making a pot timed to be finished right before the meeting starts, and everyone getting a cup at the same time. It is mediocre coffee at that.
So I get a soda. Yet the things are popular, why I don't know. Then again so is the overly brewed moldy mud tasting crap that Starbucks sells. And I'm not remotely a coffee snob.
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Massive generalisations ahoy, granddad!
Instead of gratuitous insults, how about some discussion? Prove your points.
Or have you demeonstrated the alpha and omega of your abilities?
You are making sweeping generalisations of an entire generation of artists. Think back to any time in history - was there a time when all musicians produced similar music? When they all thought alike? When they all shared a precise level of skill? Of course not.
Okay, speaking of sweeping generalizations, it is pretty important to understand that I am talking about Pop music, not every single artist out there today.
Your argument makes no sense,
That's because you are making up an argument for me to have, then attacking it.
and appears precisely like the argument of someone feeling incredibly lost in a once-familiar territory. The problem might not be with the musicians (who apparently all started to become identical), but with you.
Older people have been complaining about the music of younger generations since music began.
You managed to steer the argument to the old geezer strawman. If you read my other posts, you'll see that I listen to a lot of different music. Many forms of music that are made today. You can catch me listening to folk music progressive rock, metal music, modern and old classic some hip-hop, and even industrial, - But that isn't even a point, because it just shows my taste in music is relatively wide, and there is no accounting for that.
But I do detest the modern version of pop music. Endless hooks, like pouring the entire container of salt on your dinner, Autotune - jeezuz, can't they find a person who can hold a tune. In the end, it's pretty people singing computer derived hooks sounding like they are singint through a kazoo. And it's so repetitive that all the songs sound incredibly similar.
And if some people like it - fine. My original point in this anyhow was that I have a lot of money to spend. But I won't buy shit and call it filet mignon. Anyhow I hope I addressed where you tried to lead this argument. Make up more shit I was supposed to have said so you a knock it down, and I'll just let you speak to the hand and ignore you.
You should look for music you like. If you expect your music to be spoon-fed to you, don't be surprised when it's anodyne slop. There are amazing artists out there who are releasing music not at all like you describe.
Umm, I do look for music I like, dunno where you got the idea I didn't.
Perhaps my having an opinion is what bothers you?
Case in point: the fact that a few inches of snow in the middle of "winter" utterly confuses drivers is supposed to be evidence that snow fall happens just as regular as in the past?
And how. We've had maybe two inches of snow for the entire winter, and the tools seem to be trying to get a whole winter's worth of snow related wrecks into that time.
The scary part is that they expect to continue to drive at 80 mph at all times, and get into ridiculous pileups.
But for all of the weird quotes of scientists saying things that just sound oddly wrong, like this its never going to show again nonsense, all it takes is a little research, because no scientist would say that.
If the average temperature goes up by a degree C, it doesn't mean that it will never snow. Add a degree to many places on earth, and it still gets darned cold in the winter. And water will exist in solid form in those areas.
Now what he did say, is that would become a much rarer event - yes, that is very plausible.
One wild card in that mix, at least as concerns the British Isles, where he is from.
There is a possibility that the gulf stream might be weakened or diverted by the cold fresh water ingress from Greenland. This is not a certain thing. The Gulf stream has a huge effect on the weather, given that at this time, palm trees grow in Ireland. All the more remarkable in that we're talking about The Isles having a latitude similar to Montana or lower Canada. If the Gulf Stram is interrupted, the climate might change to a more latitude appropriate level. IOW, it's gonna get cold.
So he could be wrong about the rarity of snow.
But yeah, the inabilty to hold a note is no impediment if a person is "hot" enough today.
I can't believe I actually miss Randy Jackson, judge on American Idol, and his "sorry, that was a little pitchy, dawg."
Confession time! I've watch a lot of auditions for the Idol and Got talent shows, and enjoyed him as well as most of th others. Except Posh Spice, she just didn't bring much to the table.
My son subjects me to awful contemporary pop music and it's surprising how much of it appears to lack much in the way of instrumentation. Quite often it's *just* a simple beat with repetitive rapping type lyrics, which often seems more like yelling than singing.
Yes, actual real professional musicians. There was an exceptionally interesting bit about modern Pop music on Studio 360 a few weeks ago. http://www.wnyc.org/story/hit-...
Present day pop music is indeed a factory. Computer generated, and people "pick" the songs they will have hits of. Zero creativity, and one funny part is how two separate "artists" picked the same music to do. As well as today's op music, with it's multitude of hooks with no music meat in between, you have music made for ADHD people. And that's no joke.
The answers to that question can probably be found here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu...
That pretty much sums it up.
Yeah, that old corollary to cultural relativity... thing is, it no longer applies; people are getting dumber,
Except they're not.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazi...
They may not be, but today's pop music is not geared toward emotionally mature adults. It's geard toward children. Whether the overly sexualized performances are remotely good to have pre-pubescent children watch is in question though.
By the way - is Twerking supposed to be sexy? It always reminded me of a woman trying to shake off a bit of crap that's stuck to her ass cheeks.
LOL! Try to realize that people once complained about Mozart creating crap music and then realize whatever kind of music _you_ prefer actually is still created! In essence you think you are the arbitrator of what suck and not, just as every generation have thought the "new" kind of music worse/more immoral than the thing they grew up with.
The idea that Justin Bieber or Miley Cyrus might be be revered as an equal to Mozart is pretty amusing. While Mozart is not may favorite classical composer - I'm more likely to be caught listening to JS Bach or Rameau or Glass - there is a immense difference between any of the classical Masters and today's pop music. The Masters understood and played music. They were not chosen because of their physical looks. Their music was composed by humans and not a selection of "hooks" assembled by a computer. And they didn't have to worry about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... turning into this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
This was a modern day pop idol, with absolutely no talent whatsoever. Aside from this sentence, it should be a crime to compare Ashlee Simpson and all of the rest of the autotune crowd to Mozart.
I like a lot of dfferent types of music. You could catch me listening to Viking Death metal now and again, but it has to be good. This shit is just that - shit. For your penance, you have to listen to both clips, say ten Hail Mary's and make a good act of contrition. Go forth and sin no more.
That's what just slays me about listening to old music on Youtube. Singers like the Andrews Sisters
Talk about coincidences! You might have seen this, but I'll share in case you didn't https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
The apple tree song, with Shemp from the Three Stooges is in it as well.
But yeah, the inabilty to hold a note is no impediment if a person is "hot" enough today. The odd thing is that autotune has the same effect on me as running fingernails on a blackboard does. We're supposed to like it?
Now they might try putting out music that didn't suck. Seriously, today's twerk-a-licious and computer generated, autotuned stuff makes 1960's bubblegum music and disco look good.
For them to want to do this, their listeners would have to "encourage" them to do so.
Based upon the popularity of shows such as American Idol, this won't happen any time soon. :-(
I have to have something listenable to encourage me to listen.
As usual, the industry is trying its best to commit suicide. YouTube is popular because the main consumers of their crap are kids with no money who in years past would have turned on the radio.
Funny you should mention Youtube. I go there to ocatch some old stuff I remember, and some stuff I didn't hear before.
What is interesting is that there is enough older music that is fresh to me because I didn't hear them when it came out.
Some hidden gems: Album Pop goes the world by Men without Hats. Everyone was so used to their "Safety Dance" song, they got typecast. PGTW is a concept album, with some treats on it like Ian Anderson doing flute on one of the songs.
"In the 21st Century", a song done toward the end of their pop run is interesting as well. Actual lyrics that make sense in their serious songs.
Also a great place to pick up Phillip Glass stuff, and I've been fascinated by Annie Lennox/Eurythmics lately,
Now they might try putting out music that didn't suck. Seriously, today's twerk-a-licious and computer generated, autotuned stuff makes 1960's bubblegum music and disco look good.
Nah that would require some effort, better to just reuse the same old crap that just keeps on selling. There's always a fresh new batch of thirteen year olds every year.
Yet one of these days, someone will come along and catch everyone with their pants down (esp Miley Cyrus) and change things - I hope.
There was a similar tine in the early 1960's when music was in a real doldrum.
Now they might try putting out music that didn't suck. Seriously, today's twerk-a-licious and computer generated, autotuned stuff makes 1960's bubblegum music and disco look good.
So hateful...
Meh. She has a track record of being pretty hateful. As well as hypocritical. Her looks are secondary to all of the ugliness inn her soul
As well as being a strong Republican woman and a professional victim at the same time.
Looks about as good as HRC with makeup/facelift.
Way to miss the point. Ugly isn't a crime, and neither are guilty. It's just that so many folks think Palin is so fapworthy and bloviate about that all the time.
Never ask questions if you have no intention of listening to the answer. Never try to control people you cannot control. This is a little bit like UC Davis spending all of that money to bury Officer Peppery McPepperspray's deed. Now a lot of people are posting those photos of him spraying those students all over the place. On purpose. That worked out well, eh?
Boaty McBoatface it is.
Apart from filling with decent coffee of the correct grind, how do you need to know what you're doing? My inlaws have and olde fashinde percolator---ceramic 1960s thing and it's great. You load with decent coffee[*] hit go and when it stops thunking you get a great cup of coffee out. Easy to clean too.
That was probably an electric perk? I always forget about those, so you are right about that. I've seen people who think they have to boil their perc coffee. Put that brat on high and uck. Which is what I was thinking about.
I really don't understand why they've gone so far out of use.
Marketing maybe? I dunno - in a world where people go to great lengths to make the Barista jump though hoops, that the tiny bit of technique needed for perking coffee - even less if an electric perk - doesn't make sense.
I also kind of hate the in-store grinders because someone always ends up putting that nasty flavoured syrup coated shit in the grinder which contaminates everything else with its nasty flavour.
Now THAT's disgusting! Is there some rationale for that, rather than putting the stuff in like normal people do - after it is brewed?
I remember. Absolutely Classic. R.I.P. Hank. Second only to the great Peter Jennings OJ spoof.
Did you get to vote? Hopefully you did, because that was a defining moment of the early internet.
Then again, I might just understand why religion causes people to try to eliminate other religions. But everyone has the right to their own beliefs as long as they aren't slicing off women's private bits or flying airplanes into buildings. Then I get mad, just like Mr Bigglesworth.
But I don't think this specific case really is about someone elses religion; it seems this guy really doesn't believe and really is just using the 'religion' as a tool.
And isn't that the trap of religion? It's been used as a tool by many who are using it to make a lot of money, control, or other things.
Hmmmm. I bought 10 reuseable cups direct from China for $10 and they work well. Not perfectly because the wire mesh is a little too large for my favorite grind so sediment gets through. I could supplement with a paper filter but don't mind sediment 'cause I drink loose leaf tea as well. I kinda like a bit of sediment.
You're just a sedimental sort of person.
Hell, I can still make a decent cup in an old fashioned percolator that'll taste better than a k-cup machine.
Yes - percolators can make excellent coffee when made by people who know what they are doing. I've made some great stuff in a perc on a old Coleman's stove that gets raves.
It probably makes more sense for people who don't drink much coffee; but, if you were a pot-a-day family, the cost of replacing that with a Keurig is ludicrous. We're spending easily $50 a month, just on coffee! And it doesn't seem like those things actually save you any effort - it's just that it's spaced out throughout the day. If it made really good coffee, that might sway me... but it's worse than brewing a pot.
I like to tell people that, if my wife pre-deceases me, even before I call the mortician I'm putting that Keurig in the trash. I hate it that much.
Exactly.
Where we have our board meetings, the people have one of these. Nothing more annnoying than taking half the meeting just to get everyone a cup. It's the decision whether to get coffee early, and have it get cold while you politely wait for everyone else to get a hot cup but smell it for a long time before you can get it. Soooo convenient a solution to the age old problem of making a pot timed to be finished right before the meeting starts, and everyone getting a cup at the same time. It is mediocre coffee at that.
So I get a soda. Yet the things are popular, why I don't know. Then again so is the overly brewed moldy mud tasting crap that Starbucks sells. And I'm not remotely a coffee snob.
Design a new machine. People will eventually switch over, especially the vocal save-the-planet types.
I use biodegradable paper filters and use the coffee grounds on the Azaleas in the yard. Maybe this is a good machine for lonely people as well.
Perhaps they'll have a Buzz Lightyear style ride in which you are flying a fighter shooting down Navi?
Nah - it will be a ride where you search out and fire Disney IT workers.