The FSM certainly contains satire, but it also contains genuine beliefs that are not satire, one of which is the belief that satire is a good tool for their goal of "belief equality" (e.g. that certain religious beliefs should not have special privileges).
Its arguable whether this individual even believes this.
Of course. Anything is arguable. I'd argue that Mormonism isn't a religion because it was started by a con man, and it's premises are ridiculous. I'd argue that the Church of scientology is about making money. Id argue that th eCatholic Churceh is a safe haven for peophiles.
But aside from the necessary prosecution of pedophiles, there are people who believe in each of these churches.
One of the mysteries of the universe is that anti-religious people such as myself tend to support freedom of religion much more than religious people do.
Then again, I might just understand why religion causes people to try to eliminate other religions. But everyone has the right to their own beliefs as long as they aren't slicing off women's private bits or flying airplanes into buildings. Then I get mad, just like Mr Bigglesworth.
Thank you, judge, for stating that all religions are fake.
Arguably they are not works or satire.
FSM definitely is a work of satire. Deliberately so.
However, how dare you claim that even satire is not allowed to be believed in?
Altogether too many people of the Christian faith believe that God is some sort of serious ill humored bastard, just wating to send people to hell if they waver. Kinda like a male god version of overly attached girlfriend that tortures you forever and ever if you don't do as she demands. And the Calvinism runs strongly in them and even non christian Americans.
Such a group of people would probably hate a deity like Ganesha, who is all about celebration to attempt to put it into one word. If I was into a religion thing, Ganesha would be da shitz. You deny that a person who believes in Ganesha should be considered as practicing a religion?
Even more than the issue of the Pastafarians being a group that utilizes satire, it remains undeniably true that this is a successful religous test made by the judicial system. Mormons and Moonies and other religions really should take notice, and oppose this ruling.
May his noodly appendage toch you and bring you to the truth.
Thank you, judge, for stating that all religions are fake.
Mormonism. Why on earth a church invented by a con man as a con game should be a church is beyond me. The only reason I accepted them was that I accepted the idea that a person's beliefs are what they believe, not a government or judicial test. A judge has just made a judicial test a requirement to be classified as a religion.
This changes everything. I declare that mormonism is not and will never be a religion.
I am as non religious a person as exists. I do however understand that there are people who are. They really need to appeal and get this judgement reversed. A religious person doesn't want ot see where this one ends up.
How odd, thatDoctor Viner's statment that snow would become more rare, and that future snow could become a rare and exciting event becomes "No snow last (sic) year 2000 - I'm assuming that was a typo for "past".
Now it is true that the UK newspaper "The Independent did give a false quote of Viner, apparently by a sub-editor. The false quote had a headline "Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past." http://www.desmogblog.com/2013...
But on to some issues with even the Ntional Review article - damn, the NR was a hellava lot better when W.F. Buckly Jr ran it.
They use three winters as a refutation of AGW, and even gloat over the recent few cold winters - to which I say they can go fuck themselves.
But the concept that three winters of cooler than normal winter do not make for a refutation of AGW, and that someone can simplymake shit up, doesn't mean that the person actually said that.
Now in the Northeast of the US, the previous two winters were cooler that what we are used to lately. But yeah, that's weather. In other places it was warmer. Weather. This winter where I live, I used the snowblower exactly once. And only a third of a tank of gasoline in it - also weather It's almost 80 degrees today, and I've ridden my motorcycle without any jacket on in every month of the past year. Weather. I make no claims as does the National Review that this year refutes denialist claims. Did I mention they were a lot better under W.F. Buckley Jr?
I do make claims that when the whole globe is warming up on average, and multiples of years are above the old averages, now that's starting to be climate.
Onw swallow dos not make a summer. But hundreds of them trampling your lawn, eating your goldfinch food, and shitting all over your patio - do.
Brain-computer interface, or organic computer-mechanical computer interface sounds like a really amazing scientific advance we could all get behind.
Controlling mechanics with your thoughts is the next logical step now that voice-control has been realized.
Until the mind-controlled devices begin to learn your preferences and offer to make decisions for your convenience.
I wonder how this mind based control would deal with OCD people with racing thoughts?
A lot of background noise going on in a person with that affliction.
Or perhaps not a troubled teen but a curious one. Kick it onto a little red wagon and wheel it to a secure place. Motors, controllers, sensors, batteries,belts, gears and other stuff. It's a goldmine.
I had to chuckle when I read this. As a kid I tore everything apart to see how it worked. I fear the temptation on a teenage me would have been too much to resist
It will be hilarious watching idiots trying to break into a secure internal compartment in order to make off with a plate of noodles, or a $19.95 payment for same on the return trip to the vehicle.
Do you really think no one would consider security?
Please.
A ton of youtube videos tells me that messing with these small droid like vehicles will become a new sport.
In a world where people are happy to be tied to a tree and have their frieinds shoot paintballs at them, or think launching a bottle rocket from their backside is the shitz, this will happen.
And that's just the jokers. The paranoid will probably take a second amendment solution, cuz the vehicle is "probably there to spy" on them.
Slashdotters will probably steal them for a parts source for that 3-D printer they are making.
Enjoy. Let me know how it is worse today than it was when I bought a home here.
Still waiting.
I'm still waiting for your response to the University of Miami Study. Why are you right, and they are wrong, and why do you show me photos of the aftermath of a Hurricane pretending to be a spring tide flood event? I trust that was a mistake, and not an attempt at deception. Deception really plays havoc with a person's veracity.
To directly respond, - I say it is worse today because the University of Miami says it is, as well as your's is the only anecdote I've heard that the Miami situation is unchanging.
And considering that I have been waiting longer than you - and now I've answerd you, are you going to respond to my earlier query?
Bill is clearly a way better speaker than Al Gore is. You know, the guy that created the Internet. Hey, I have to take that barb. Too easy.
Down to brass tacks. Yes things are warming up. We see that in earths history as well. What we see is things warm up and then we see an increase in CO2, not the other way around. So to say CO2 causes GW - not so fast. Let's see proof.
Okay, and by the way - thank you for a reasoned response. One of the times of interest is the Cambrian era, with a mean atmospheric oxygen content around 63 percent of the modern era the mean atmospheric CO2 content was around 4500 ppm, which is some 16 times the pre-industrial level settled upon as a baseline.
the mean surface temperatures were 7 degrees C higher than today over the duration.
Sea level was rising frmo 30 meters to 90 meters over present levels
Note as with all these long ago measurements, the data becomes a bit fuzzy. As well, there are other factors to consider, volcanic heating or cooling, and that depends on the droplet size of the sulfuric acid created by eruptions. precession of the earth, the increasing intensity of the sun. So many things that can affect the average global temperature, with even larger effects on local weather. Here's a nice level site regarding volcanos. http://volcano.oregonstate.edu...
The so called snowball earth, when the world may have been covered by glaciers - the arguments are whether it was completely covered or almost covered, was probably warmed by underwarer volcanic activity thet reeased CO2 into the atmosphere - I suspect the oceans might have been fizzy for a good while? Those ice ages, the Marinoan, Sturtian and perhaps another were long long ago as in 700 million years ago or more, so we have ot deal in generalizations. But it can work whne combined with other evidence.
Now back to more recent times,The Devonian had about 75 percent of the O2 levels, 2200 ppm or 8 times the preindustrial level, the men temperatures were around 6 degrees C above present day levels. Sea levels started out around 190 eters higher and fell to 120 meters higher during the Devonian.
The carboniferous had a Oxygen level of around 160 percent higher than now - alomst 33 percent, and mean CO2 of around 800 ppm Temperature over the period was similar to present day, but fluctuated. Ocean levels were falling from 120 metersthen rising to 80 meters above present day.
THere is the setup. There were glaciation periods, some of which are believed, to have been partially started by carbon sequestration such as during the Carboniferous. This is th etime when most of the plants that made coal were living, and as they died, they sequestered the carbon portion of their material.
Okay. You cannot get a really clear picture of the energy retention effects of the atmosphere from that, and it is used mostly as test cases to see what likely happened. The interesting thing isa correlation can be made. Not proof, but that comes later.
As most know we can take samples from ice cores of atmospheric composition and isotopic composition, as well as inclusions that can tell us about events such as volcanic activity in the form od dust, Many proxies can be inferred atmospheric content temperature precipitation gas composition, even solar variability.
And as usual the further back you go, the more dating error, so a plus or minus must be assigned, in manner similar to carbon dating.
More correlation. also used as a check.
But we all know that correlation is not causation. And interestingly enough, some of the strongest evidence of causation comes from off planet earth. But before we take off for the stars, we need to understand the core concept.
The gaseous aspect surrounding a planet is of course known as it's atmosphere. And as humans have found out, the composition of that atmosphere has an effect upon it;s
Seeing as you are resorting to ad hominem after your ignorance was exposed, and a lack of understanding of the topi,(. Hint the world was here before you were born and will be after you are gone), i'll just take that as the best you can do to back out.
Cheers.
I can see no reason that I would deny you your rights. Regardless, you do have them. And I replied to your other post to me.
Are you an angry man? You've been calling me a lot of names, and appear angry when I speak of your rights to your beliefs. It is very important to note that I didn't call you anything but a denier. Which you are. Those other beliefs - yes, to many of us, denialism is similar, but not all deniers are in that group other than their denialism. But it is rapidly becoming a fringe belief.
Regardless, if you want to respond to my response to your photo of the aftermath of Hurricane George in 1947, feel free, But I'd prefer it be kept civil rather than your barrage of calling me arrogant, an idiot, being ignorant, or stupid. If you have no intention of that, and just want to call people names, well then bow out as you wrote.
Enjoy. Let me know how it is worse today than it was when I bought a home here.
The photo you linked to is from Sept 1947, which was a notable year for Hurricanes and tropical storms.. It is from Hurricane George, a category 4 storm that hit near Fort Lauderdale, Florida. 17 people were killed, but improved weather forcasting and involvelent of the airforce helped limit it. Many cattle were drowned, as well as destruction to citrus groves. There was concern that the dikes on Lake Okeechobee might collapse, but they held. This was a nasty one, after it left Florida in the Tampa Bay area, it headed west to New Orleans and made landfall there as a Category 2 Hurricane.
It was the most intense and damaging hurricane of the season. Here's another photo of the aftermath http://www.pbase.com/donboyd/i...
Note that the caption has some errors with the naming. It has a numerical name, which is actually reserved for tropical Storm 6, which hit Ceder Key on September 23, 1947.
The photo you sent is an interesting bit of history in an active year for Treopical storms, but it was part of the aftermat of a very distructive hurricane, not a spring tide flood
While I know that Alarmists console themselves with this bit of incomplete fiction, the reconstructions were based on the same bad data with the same munged data sets and the same two or three trees he selected (out of a couple of dozen that showed differently) using nearly the same methods he used.
Where did the data come from, and explain wht it was munged. You can't make claims such as that without backing them up. Show me the proof that the tata was wrong.
So anyhow, are you saying that both the data was wrong, and Mann manipulated the bad data?
This just keeps getting better.
Nothing whatsoever was proven except that researchers paid by the same University who worked with Mann could manage to duplicate his work given the same (bad) set of data.
One problem with your conspiracy theory. Mann's many investigations were done by independent agencies, including a set of people chosen by a deniailst Politician. Not by Penn State. note PSU had an internal one that wasn't part of the smear campaign) It's rather odd that tno one found the the bad data you allude to.
By the way, please do not try to give me the Radiosonde versus satellite data discrepancy. That has long been reconciled and correlated.
And yet I can be very kind and pleasant when not dealing with the willfully ignorant. It's after a while that I don't feel the need for patience, and thanks for adding me to the personality attacks, much appreciation for another example of denialists using the last of their weapons. The personality attack. I suspect you are a nice guy despite our disagreement.
4 inches since 1996. In an almost sea level area such as Miami. a four inch difference is a lot. The photo of a spring tide flood seems to concur with that. Man, salt water is tough on a person's ride.
Now back to me and my foibles - you want to know why I asked where you lived? Did you know that there are places on Earth where the sea level is dropping? There are places in Scandinavia there isostatic rebound form glacier melt has raised enough new coastal land that there are issues in dealing with who owns the land.
Did you know that the horrid droughts in Australia a few years ago made for a temporary sea level drop?
The world is not a static place, and surprises us all the time.
So if you had noted that you lived in Scandanavia or even Coastal Alaska, I would have concurred, then explained.
By the way, the isostatic rebound will not help Miami or the rest of Florida. Or Louisiana, where they have the added issue of Crustal thinning along with sea level rise.
Dammit, you blew my cover! Now the Illuminati have to take me to the Apollo filming studio to get me a new Identification. A pain in the ass with all the paperwork, you know
Really ? I am still looking for those sunken countries and millions of refugees.
I know it's bad form to reply to my own post, but do a little research on Miami Florida, of which every spring tide, it floods. NOt rarely, but because the lowest areas toe now going to be flooded by spring tides.
Oh yeah, and they predicted more and more hurricanes. How has that one worked out?
There comes a time when you need to accept that your inability to predict future events is because of a flaw in your model, perhaps a fundamental one.
Bullshit. NO model ever invented can predict every single weather event . And that's what you are demanding. Hurricanes are a natural event, and vary by year due to other factors like the El Niño or El Niña. As well, they do not merely ccur in the North American area
Since you know everything about these models. educate me on exactly what the models are not your mythical "they".
Nye is an engineer. He has a BS in mechanical engineering from Cornell. He worked at Boeing as an engineer (including and developing a hydraulic pressure resonance suppressor for the 747). Just because he's on TV he doesn't stop being an engineer. He still has an engineering degree and has spent decades studying and practicing in the field of engineering.
And he's plenty smart, and has a sense of humor, if a little scathing at times. My type of person. He's much fun when he shows up on Bill Maher, and can keep up with him.
I realize that denialists are reduced now to calling anyone who believes in AGW a "Stupid CacaHEad, and that's the extent of their argument, but tell me. If Bill Nye was a carpenter, or a plumber, does that mean his views are wrong on AGW?
It is also an inherently self-disqualifying argument. What if the denialists were right that you shouldn't listen to Bill Nye because he's "not a scientist"? By that logic, you double extra-special shouldn't listen to the denialists, who are also not scientists. Their own argument includes their own defeat; if Bill Nye has nothing useful to say, then they have even less.
Slashdot Mirror
Were you sleeping through the movie or something?
I tried 3 times to watch the movie, and that's exactly what happened - I fell asleep. Same thing happened with SW the Phantom menace. Boring.
1998, and People Magazine wanted to make it's presence known on the newfangled internet.
Leonardo Dicaprio was supposed to win. But 230,169 of us nerds bitchslapped them, and voted Hank in.
People Magazine, being the ethical rag that it is, declared DiCaprio the winner, even though he came in 3rd.
Nerds FTW https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Sad to say, Hank is no longer with us.
The FSM certainly contains satire, but it also contains genuine beliefs that are not satire, one of which is the belief that satire is a good tool for their goal of "belief equality" (e.g. that certain religious beliefs should not have special privileges).
Its arguable whether this individual even believes this.
Of course. Anything is arguable. I'd argue that Mormonism isn't a religion because it was started by a con man, and it's premises are ridiculous. I'd argue that the Church of scientology is about making money. Id argue that th eCatholic Churceh is a safe haven for peophiles.
But aside from the necessary prosecution of pedophiles, there are people who believe in each of these churches.
One of the mysteries of the universe is that anti-religious people such as myself tend to support freedom of religion much more than religious people do.
Then again, I might just understand why religion causes people to try to eliminate other religions. But everyone has the right to their own beliefs as long as they aren't slicing off women's private bits or flying airplanes into buildings. Then I get mad, just like Mr Bigglesworth.
Why stop at scientology ?
Bible ? Coran ? Tora ? Any other ?
Thank you, judge, for stating that all religions are fake.
Arguably they are not works or satire.
FSM definitely is a work of satire. Deliberately so.
However, how dare you claim that even satire is not allowed to be believed in?
Altogether too many people of the Christian faith believe that God is some sort of serious ill humored bastard, just wating to send people to hell if they waver. Kinda like a male god version of overly attached girlfriend that tortures you forever and ever if you don't do as she demands. And the Calvinism runs strongly in them and even non christian Americans.
Such a group of people would probably hate a deity like Ganesha, who is all about celebration to attempt to put it into one word. If I was into a religion thing, Ganesha would be da shitz. You deny that a person who believes in Ganesha should be considered as practicing a religion?
Even more than the issue of the Pastafarians being a group that utilizes satire, it remains undeniably true that this is a successful religous test made by the judicial system. Mormons and Moonies and other religions really should take notice, and oppose this ruling.
May his noodly appendage toch you and bring you to the truth.
Why stop at scientology ?
Bible ? Coran ? Tora ? Any other ?
Thank you, judge, for stating that all religions are fake.
Mormonism. Why on earth a church invented by a con man as a con game should be a church is beyond me. The only reason I accepted them was that I accepted the idea that a person's beliefs are what they believe, not a government or judicial test. A judge has just made a judicial test a requirement to be classified as a religion.
This changes everything. I declare that mormonism is not and will never be a religion.
I am as non religious a person as exists. I do however understand that there are people who are. They really need to appeal and get this judgement reversed. A religious person doesn't want ot see where this one ends up.
I suspect he is talking about this http://www.nationalreview.com/...
How odd, thatDoctor Viner's statment that snow would become more rare, and that future snow could become a rare and exciting event becomes "No snow last (sic) year 2000 - I'm assuming that was a typo for "past".
Now it is true that the UK newspaper "The Independent did give a false quote of Viner, apparently by a sub-editor. The false quote had a headline "Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past." http://www.desmogblog.com/2013...
But on to some issues with even the Ntional Review article - damn, the NR was a hellava lot better when W.F. Buckly Jr ran it.
They use three winters as a refutation of AGW, and even gloat over the recent few cold winters - to which I say they can go fuck themselves.
But the concept that three winters of cooler than normal winter do not make for a refutation of AGW, and that someone can simplymake shit up, doesn't mean that the person actually said that.
Now in the Northeast of the US, the previous two winters were cooler that what we are used to lately. But yeah, that's weather. In other places it was warmer. Weather. This winter where I live, I used the snowblower exactly once. And only a third of a tank of gasoline in it - also weather It's almost 80 degrees today, and I've ridden my motorcycle without any jacket on in every month of the past year. Weather. I make no claims as does the National Review that this year refutes denialist claims. Did I mention they were a lot better under W.F. Buckley Jr?
I do make claims that when the whole globe is warming up on average, and multiples of years are above the old averages, now that's starting to be climate.
Onw swallow dos not make a summer. But hundreds of them trampling your lawn, eating your goldfinch food, and shitting all over your patio - do.
Brain-computer interface, or organic computer-mechanical computer interface sounds like a really amazing scientific advance we could all get behind.
Controlling mechanics with your thoughts is the next logical step now that voice-control has been realized.
Until the mind-controlled devices begin to learn your preferences and offer to make decisions for your convenience.
I wonder how this mind based control would deal with OCD people with racing thoughts? A lot of background noise going on in a person with that affliction.
Or perhaps not a troubled teen but a curious one. Kick it onto a little red wagon and wheel it to a secure place. Motors, controllers, sensors, batteries ,belts, gears and other stuff. It's a goldmine.
I had to chuckle when I read this. As a kid I tore everything apart to see how it worked. I fear the temptation on a teenage me would have been too much to resist
It will be hilarious watching idiots trying to break into a secure internal compartment in order to make off with a plate of noodles, or a $19.95 payment for same on the return trip to the vehicle.
Do you really think no one would consider security?
Please.
A ton of youtube videos tells me that messing with these small droid like vehicles will become a new sport.
In a world where people are happy to be tied to a tree and have their frieinds shoot paintballs at them, or think launching a bottle rocket from their backside is the shitz, this will happen.
And that's just the jokers. The paranoid will probably take a second amendment solution, cuz the vehicle is "probably there to spy" on them.
Slashdotters will probably steal them for a parts source for that 3-D printer they are making.
Where were you doing off-site backups before?
local multiple backups under my control stored in another building.
Accountability, not just another customer. It works pretty well
No response about the UM research?
Enjoy. Let me know how it is worse today than it was when I bought a home here.
Still waiting.
I'm still waiting for your response to the University of Miami Study. Why are you right, and they are wrong, and why do you show me photos of the aftermath of a Hurricane pretending to be a spring tide flood event? I trust that was a mistake, and not an attempt at deception. Deception really plays havoc with a person's veracity. To directly respond, - I say it is worse today because the University of Miami says it is, as well as your's is the only anecdote I've heard that the Miami situation is unchanging.
And considering that I have been waiting longer than you - and now I've answerd you, are you going to respond to my earlier query?
Bill is clearly a way better speaker than Al Gore is. You know, the guy that created the Internet. Hey, I have to take that barb. Too easy. Down to brass tacks. Yes things are warming up. We see that in earths history as well. What we see is things warm up and then we see an increase in CO2, not the other way around. So to say CO2 causes GW - not so fast. Let's see proof.
Okay, and by the way - thank you for a reasoned response. One of the times of interest is the Cambrian era, with a mean atmospheric oxygen content around 63 percent of the modern era the mean atmospheric CO2 content was around 4500 ppm, which is some 16 times the pre-industrial level settled upon as a baseline.
the mean surface temperatures were 7 degrees C higher than today over the duration.
Sea level was rising frmo 30 meters to 90 meters over present levels Note as with all these long ago measurements, the data becomes a bit fuzzy. As well, there are other factors to consider, volcanic heating or cooling, and that depends on the droplet size of the sulfuric acid created by eruptions. precession of the earth, the increasing intensity of the sun. So many things that can affect the average global temperature, with even larger effects on local weather. Here's a nice level site regarding volcanos. http://volcano.oregonstate.edu...
The so called snowball earth, when the world may have been covered by glaciers - the arguments are whether it was completely covered or almost covered, was probably warmed by underwarer volcanic activity thet reeased CO2 into the atmosphere - I suspect the oceans might have been fizzy for a good while? Those ice ages, the Marinoan, Sturtian and perhaps another were long long ago as in 700 million years ago or more, so we have ot deal in generalizations. But it can work whne combined with other evidence.
Now back to more recent times,The Devonian had about 75 percent of the O2 levels, 2200 ppm or 8 times the preindustrial level, the men temperatures were around 6 degrees C above present day levels. Sea levels started out around 190 eters higher and fell to 120 meters higher during the Devonian. The carboniferous had a Oxygen level of around 160 percent higher than now - alomst 33 percent, and mean CO2 of around 800 ppm Temperature over the period was similar to present day, but fluctuated. Ocean levels were falling from 120 metersthen rising to 80 meters above present day.
THere is the setup. There were glaciation periods, some of which are believed, to have been partially started by carbon sequestration such as during the Carboniferous. This is th etime when most of the plants that made coal were living, and as they died, they sequestered the carbon portion of their material.
Okay. You cannot get a really clear picture of the energy retention effects of the atmosphere from that, and it is used mostly as test cases to see what likely happened. The interesting thing isa correlation can be made. Not proof, but that comes later.
As most know we can take samples from ice cores of atmospheric composition and isotopic composition, as well as inclusions that can tell us about events such as volcanic activity in the form od dust, Many proxies can be inferred atmospheric content temperature precipitation gas composition, even solar variability.
And as usual the further back you go, the more dating error, so a plus or minus must be assigned, in manner similar to carbon dating.
More correlation. also used as a check.
But we all know that correlation is not causation. And interestingly enough, some of the strongest evidence of causation comes from off planet earth. But before we take off for the stars, we need to understand the core concept.
The gaseous aspect surrounding a planet is of course known as it's atmosphere. And as humans have found out, the composition of that atmosphere has an effect upon it;s
Seeing as you are resorting to ad hominem after your ignorance was exposed, and a lack of understanding of the topi,(. Hint the world was here before you were born and will be after you are gone), i'll just take that as the best you can do to back out.
Cheers.
I can see no reason that I would deny you your rights. Regardless, you do have them. And I replied to your other post to me.
Are you an angry man? You've been calling me a lot of names, and appear angry when I speak of your rights to your beliefs. It is very important to note that I didn't call you anything but a denier. Which you are. Those other beliefs - yes, to many of us, denialism is similar, but not all deniers are in that group other than their denialism. But it is rapidly becoming a fringe belief.
Regardless, if you want to respond to my response to your photo of the aftermath of Hurricane George in 1947, feel free, But I'd prefer it be kept civil rather than your barrage of calling me arrogant, an idiot, being ignorant, or stupid. If you have no intention of that, and just want to call people names, well then bow out as you wrote.
Miami has been flooding every year since before there was a city there.
http://m1.i.pbase.com/o6/21/57...
Enjoy. Let me know how it is worse today than it was when I bought a home here.
The photo you linked to is from Sept 1947, which was a notable year for Hurricanes and tropical storms.. It is from Hurricane George, a category 4 storm that hit near Fort Lauderdale, Florida. 17 people were killed, but improved weather forcasting and involvelent of the airforce helped limit it. Many cattle were drowned, as well as destruction to citrus groves. There was concern that the dikes on Lake Okeechobee might collapse, but they held. This was a nasty one, after it left Florida in the Tampa Bay area, it headed west to New Orleans and made landfall there as a Category 2 Hurricane.
It was the most intense and damaging hurricane of the season. Here's another photo of the aftermath http://www.pbase.com/donboyd/i...
Note that the caption has some errors with the naming. It has a numerical name, which is actually reserved for tropical Storm 6, which hit Ceder Key on September 23, 1947.
The photo you sent is an interesting bit of history in an active year for Treopical storms, but it was part of the aftermat of a very distructive hurricane, not a spring tide flood
Oh you're right. What should I believe, my lying eyes or your links.
Idiot
You are- as are creationists, flat earthers, followers of beelzebub, and rainbow hoaxers, 100 percent entitled to your own beliefs.
While I know that Alarmists console themselves with this bit of incomplete fiction, the reconstructions were based on the same bad data with the same munged data sets and the same two or three trees he selected (out of a couple of dozen that showed differently) using nearly the same methods he used.
Where did the data come from, and explain wht it was munged. You can't make claims such as that without backing them up. Show me the proof that the tata was wrong.
So anyhow, are you saying that both the data was wrong, and Mann manipulated the bad data?
This just keeps getting better.
Nothing whatsoever was proven except that researchers paid by the same University who worked with Mann could manage to duplicate his work given the same (bad) set of data.
One problem with your conspiracy theory. Mann's many investigations were done by independent agencies, including a set of people chosen by a deniailst Politician. Not by Penn State. note PSU had an internal one that wasn't part of the smear campaign) It's rather odd that tno one found the the bad data you allude to.
By the way, please do not try to give me the Radiosonde versus satellite data discrepancy. That has long been reconciled and correlated.
Your arrogance is astounding.
I live there you idiot.
And yet I can be very kind and pleasant when not dealing with the willfully ignorant. It's after a while that I don't feel the need for patience, and thanks for adding me to the personality attacks, much appreciation for another example of denialists using the last of their weapons. The personality attack. I suspect you are a nice guy despite our disagreement.
On the other hand, here is something for you to deny: http://www.rsmas.miami.edu/blo...
More for you to deny http://www.wri.org/publication...
4 inches since 1996. In an almost sea level area such as Miami. a four inch difference is a lot. The photo of a spring tide flood seems to concur with that. Man, salt water is tough on a person's ride.
Now back to me and my foibles - you want to know why I asked where you lived? Did you know that there are places on Earth where the sea level is dropping? There are places in Scandinavia there isostatic rebound form glacier melt has raised enough new coastal land that there are issues in dealing with who owns the land.
Did you know that the horrid droughts in Australia a few years ago made for a temporary sea level drop?
The world is not a static place, and surprises us all the time.
So if you had noted that you lived in Scandanavia or even Coastal Alaska, I would have concurred, then explained.
By the way, the isostatic rebound will not help Miami or the rest of Florida. Or Louisiana, where they have the added issue of Crustal thinning along with sea level rise.
the idea that the data is being suppressed is bullshit. a simple google search pulls it up.
Then they have to give you a shot of that memory eraser.
It is clear: The Evil Liberal Science Conspiracy. Global warming denialism cannot work without it.
Dammit, you blew my cover! Now the Illuminati have to take me to the Apollo filming studio to get me a new Identification. A pain in the ass with all the paperwork, you know
The predictions do pan out. Denialists don't accept them because they read a cold day outside their as refutation of AGW.
http://www.spiegel.de/internat...
Really ? I am still looking for those sunken countries and millions of refugees.
I know it's bad form to reply to my own post, but do a little research on Miami Florida, of which every spring tide, it floods. NOt rarely, but because the lowest areas toe now going to be flooded by spring tides.
The predictions do pan out. Denialists don't accept them because they read a cold day outside their as refutation of AGW.
http://www.spiegel.de/internat...
Really ? I am still looking for those sunken countries and millions of refugees.
Your timeline apears to be as short as your attention span. You think these things happej the day after someone says they might happen?
Oh yeah, and they predicted more and more hurricanes. How has that one worked out?
There comes a time when you need to accept that your inability to predict future events is because of a flaw in your model, perhaps a fundamental one.
Bullshit. NO model ever invented can predict every single weather event . And that's what you are demanding. Hurricanes are a natural event, and vary by year due to other factors like the El Niño or El Niña. As well, they do not merely ccur in the North American area
Since you know everything about these models. educate me on exactly what the models are not your mythical "they".
Nye is an engineer. He has a BS in mechanical engineering from Cornell. He worked at Boeing as an engineer (including and developing a hydraulic pressure resonance suppressor for the 747). Just because he's on TV he doesn't stop being an engineer. He still has an engineering degree and has spent decades studying and practicing in the field of engineering.
And he's plenty smart, and has a sense of humor, if a little scathing at times. My type of person. He's much fun when he shows up on Bill Maher, and can keep up with him.
I realize that denialists are reduced now to calling anyone who believes in AGW a "Stupid CacaHEad, and that's the extent of their argument, but tell me. If Bill Nye was a carpenter, or a plumber, does that mean his views are wrong on AGW?
It is also an inherently self-disqualifying argument. What if the denialists were right that you shouldn't listen to Bill Nye because he's "not a scientist"? By that logic, you double extra-special shouldn't listen to the denialists, who are also not scientists. Their own argument includes their own defeat; if Bill Nye has nothing useful to say, then they have even less.
There you go using logic again.